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Re: Bicycle Safety and Licenses

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  1. Moved to a more appropriate discussion group than .tech.

    DMVs and the general public don't REALLY want bicycle drivers to be
    licenced and registered. If they were, then they couldn't justify some
    of the discriminatory laws they have against bicyclists. They don't
    REALLY want to have emboldened bicycle drivers fully using lanes because
    there is an inherent bias and vilification against slow speed vehicles
    of all sorts, be they mopeds, golf carts, or a number of innovative low
    power vehicles. Slow speed is dangerous according to some.

    Of course, bicycle drivers know that slow speed isn't dangerous, it
    simply may make the preexisting danger of high speed more obvious.

    Wayne

  2. Wayne Pein said:

    DMVs and the general public don't REALLY want bicycle drivers to be
    licenced and registered. If they were, then they couldn't justify some
    of the discriminatory laws they have against bicyclists.

    I doubt the general public has given this idea any thought at all. The
    general public views bikes as a toy for kids.

    As for the DMV, maybe they view bike riders as such a small (and
    non-hazardous) segment of the transportation system that they just don't
    care.

    Unless, of course, you have some memos or somehing from DMV officialy
    backing your claim that the are against it becuase they then "couldn't
    justify the discrimitory laws", I'll go with explanations I conjured up
    out of the blue (just as your's probably are)

    Rich

  3. Rich said:
    Wayne Pein said:

    DMVs and the general public don't REALLY want bicycle drivers to be
    licenced and registered. If they were, then they couldn't justify some
    of the discriminatory laws they have against bicyclists.

    I doubt the general public has given this idea any thought at all. The
    general public views bikes as a toy for kids.

    That is one view of the general public. The other is that bicyclists are
    freeloaders since we don't have licence and registration requirements.

    Quoted message said:


    As for the DMV, maybe they view bike riders as such a small (and
    non-hazardous) segment of the transportation system that they just don't
    care.

    Yes, of course they don't care at this point. Except for isolated
    college towns and some other select high bicycling locales (where there
    tend to be more bicycling regulations), there is little bicycling to
    worry about. Bicyclists are largely below the radar.

    Quoted message said:


    Unless, of course, you have some memos or somehing from DMV officialy
    backing your claim that the are against it becuase they then "couldn't
    justify the discrimitory laws", I'll go with explanations I conjured up
    out of the blue (just as your's probably are)

    Rich

    Your conjured explanations do not invalidate my claims.

    No, I have no official memos. That isn't necessary. One need only
    examine the state and local vehicle codes to see the plethora of
    discriminatory laws levied against bicycle users that already exist.
    This system "works" because bicyclists essentially have no lobbying
    power to change it, and most bicyclists actually are glad to not have
    licensing and registration requirements. They are glad to fly under the
    radar as lepers of the road. However, if we DID, then state DOTs and
    legislatures would have to rethink their whole paradigm of low speed
    vehicles, and they don't want to have to deal with that. Why should
    bicycles be allowed on roads when faster low power vehicles are not?

    Wayne

  4. Rich said:
    Quoted message said:

    I doubt the general public has given this idea any thought at all. The
    general public views bikes as a toy for kids.

    Wayne Pein said:

    That is one view of the general public. The other is that bicyclists are
    freeloaders since we don't have licence and registration requirements.

    "The other"? You make it sound as though there are only two views out
    there. Haven't you ever heard that cyclists are

    - drunks who have lost their license for DUI
    - activists out to promote an agenda
    - anarchists trying to cause trouble for everyone else
    - daring risk-takers who (gasp!) ride bicycles in traffic
    - health freaks in spandex
    - middle-aged, overweight health-freak-wannabes in spandex
    - etc., etc., etc.
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  5. Darin McGrew said:
    Wayne Pein said:

    That is one view of the general public. The other is that bicyclists are
    freeloaders since we don't have licence and registration requirements.

    "The other"? You make it sound as though there are only two views out
    there. Haven't you ever heard that cyclists are

    - drunks who have lost their license for DUI
    - activists out to promote an agenda
    - anarchists trying to cause trouble for everyone else
    - daring risk-takers who (gasp!) ride bicycles in traffic
    - health freaks in spandex
    - middle-aged, overweight health-freak-wannabes in spandex
    - etc., etc., etc.

    True enough!

    Wayne

  6. Darin McGrew said:

    - drunks who have lost their license for DUI
    - activists out to promote an agenda
    - anarchists trying to cause trouble for everyone else
    - daring risk-takers who (gasp!) ride bicycles in traffic
    - health freaks in spandex
    - middle-aged, overweight health-freak-wannabes in spandex
    - etc., etc., etc.

    Don't forget drug-addicted, crazy lunatics (bike messengers) and, of
    course, all homosexual. Oh yeah, and poor too!

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