Re: Buying a Freestyle Unicycle

What about the Torker LX? Wouldn't this be perfect for what he is
looking for?

Cheap, relatively slim seatpost clamp, and what I believe is a good
crown.

Isn't that exactly what he is looking for?

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Does anyone else think an LX will work for me?

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well yeah i do, its pretty strong, got an okish freestyle frame and its
got a myata style saddle which are really nice for freestyle...

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leo said:

Or take the Nimbus 2007; it does'nt have a decent crown. With skills
that produces forces like.

The new Nimbus X 2007 frame is no normal frame; it is fully made from
CrMo with a 100mm CrMo insert at the crown welded on both the top and
bottom of the crown. It is made like this to offer a big foot area
with greater rigidity along with it's streamlined design reducing knee
knocking. The frame is based on the Max Daddy frame made by Gus in
Minnesota and the exact trick that you show is done by Max (the famous
frame breaker who weighs considerably more than you!) on the MaxDaddy
frame and has never broken it!

Have a look at Trev's old Sem XL frame....
http://www.unicyclist.com/forums/showthread.php?t=46510
(I know it says it is a Nimbus but it is not, this is an XL having a
bad day)

The Sem XL frame is not CrMo at all, it does not have machined bearing
housings. The wheel, while it may have a CrMo spindle, has flanges 25%
narrower than the Nimbus and only 36 spokes. The Nimbus X wheel offers
considerably more rigidity and robustness over the Semcycle XL.
Comparing the two unicycles is like comparing a Ford Escort to a
Porsche. A better unicycle for less price!

leo said:

So my independant advice:

B****cks!

Independent! who are you trying to fool Leo. Please be up front about
your connections with Sem. I openly admit I have connections with
Nimbus and Unicycle.com and I will be biased in what I say. You should
do the same with Semcycle.

http://semcycle.nl/html/very-special.php

skate4flip... the frame you are referring to is not the one that leo is
dissing

Roger (or known in the office today as the grumpy old man)

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What are the advantages to machined bearing holders? They look nice but
do they do a better job of holding the bearings than the other kind?

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GizmoDuck said:

If you sit up straight you're about as aerodynamic as a flying brick
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Bearings last longer, probably more important on a trials uni.

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rogeratunicycledotcom said:

The wheel, while it may have a CrMo spindle, has flanges 25% narrower
than the Nimbus

A wide hub, such as the unicycle.com CrMo hub, isn't always an
advantage. The unicycle.com hub is too wide to fit in a Koxx one
Signature frame, for example. I've tried

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since both have 100mm centres on the bearings it is odd you can not fit
them together?

The UDC wide flange hub came about because of a reality check. We
realised that the standard hub was based around a standard bike hub and
then the bearings placed to fit a lollypop bearing. That is old hat
and not required, so the flanges were moved out to match the modern
bearing housings.

If it does not fit the Koxx frame then I would suggest that it is a
design feature of the koxx design not to include other hubs.

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rogeratunicycledotcom said:

Have a look at Trev's old Sem XL frame....
http://www.unicyclist.com/forums/showthread.php?t=46510
(I know it says it is a Nimbus but it is not, this is an XL having a
bad day)

The Sem XL frame is not CrMo at all, and more bla bla bla

I'm sorry but watching the parts (crancks and pedals) and
_especially_the_distance_between_tire_and_crown_, I'm pretty sure that
that is no Semcycle XL at all, but probably a Siegmono or another
replica. Maybe a Nimbus like the title said? Like I wrote in my earlier
reply they LOOK very alike. But they are not. So I think that picture
is a good proof of it, and showed exactly what I was warning for.

rogeratunicycledotcom said:

Comparing the two unicycles is like comparing a Ford Escort to a
Porsche.

I agree, though Semcycle always used to be called the Rolls Royce among
uncycles. The comfort and durability never disapointed me. And after
more than 10 years I still daily ride my 1st and 2nd unicycle I ever
bought. For that reason I gladly recommend it to anyone who'se asking
what's a good freestyle unicycle to buy.

rogeratunicycledotcom said:

B****cks!

Independent! who are you trying to fool Leo. Please be up front about
your connections with Sem. I openly admit I have connections with
Nimbus and Unicycle.com and I will be biased in what I say. You should
do the same with Semcycle.

I'm sorry for you but I have no connection with Semcycle. If I want one
I pay exact the same price like any other person. If Semcycle sells
something (or not) does not affect me in any way. At least no other
that I'm happy for them (just like I'm happy for you if you sell
something), but especially happy for the new unicycle-owner, as s/he
bough a great product.
But I have not any relation with any unicycle manufacturer or shop at
all. I do sell some my own unicycle related t-shirts online. As that's
just t-shirts I still dare to call my advice independant.
In the past I've had offers by at least 3 unicycle brands (EXcluding
Semcycle) and by some other unicycle-companies to join, but I've never
felt that much attracted to give up my freedom*!!!*

If you based yourself on wrong information, no problem. But otherwise I
wonder who's fooling who.
I don't feel for talking in ****'s as well, still I like to mention I'm
dissapointed that you feel the need to implicate I'm not honest.

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leo said:

I'm sorry but watching the parts (crancks and pedals) and
_especially_the_distance_between_tire_and_crown_, I'm pretty sure that
that is no Semcycle XL at all, but probably a Siegmono or another
replica.

Semcycle sells a normal 20" XL as well as the longneck freestyle so
couldn't it be the normal verson? That one has more tire clearance than
the freestyle one.

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GizmoDuck said:

If you sit up straight you're about as aerodynamic as a flying brick
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rogeratunicycledotcom said:

since both have 100mm centres on the bearings it is odd you can not fit
them together?

The Signature frame does fit a Qu-ax hub though, as well as Koxx hubs,
obviously. So the problem as I see it, is that the flanges of the
unicycle.com hub extend too far, and there's no space between the
bearings and flanges for the housings to fit.

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Spencer Hochberg said:

couldn't it be the normal verson?

The regular models use to have a smaller crown, but maybe they're
recent models do have a wider one. I don't know. Still it was refered
to as old frame. If it isn't it an XL it wont be the 1st time a shop
sell another brand as being a Semcycle. And if it is an XL I still see
non-semcycle parts and so would like to see if he kept the Semcycle hub
in it (or bend the frame to fit his wheel).

rogeratunicycledotcom said:

The Sem XL frame is not CrMo at all

Maybe that's a wrong asumption of me, maybe not. However the tubing is
obviously better than the replica's, that I did'nt even recognized as
replica -untill I touched it-.
Still both a Semcycle XL with upgraded pedals and a Semcycle Pro have a
heat-treated chromoly hub, heat-treated chromoly crancks, heat-treated
chromoly axes in the pedals. As far as I know Semcycle is the only
brand who does that.
And the chromoly UDC hub is not heat-treathed, or is it?

rogeratunicycledotcom said:

Max (the famous frame breaker who weighs considerably more than you!)

Also more than both a friend of me and myself who 'are applieng weird
forces to the XL' (http://tinyurl.com/yf9esl)?
Based on my own experience of over 10 years, and owning many different
Semcycles, it still keeps by far my prefered choise of unicycle. And
again; I'm not having any benefit to waste my time on broadcasting that
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Leo, The frame that was sold to Trevor was a Sem XL frame. It was
purchased from the US section of Unicycle.com by ourselves for him - it
is nothing to do with Sigmono as he does not sell to unicycle.com. I
have the purchase invoice. He then sold it on the Gary and it broke at
the Emu Hockey tournament earlier this year. These are all facts, no
speculation about it.

I do not deny that the Sem XL is a very good frame, it is or that Sem
unicycles were known as the Rolls Royce among unicycles, they were.
Although things move on, the developments in unicycles over the past 5
years have been immerse and you were comparing here the very latest
design, that I do not believe you have even seen never mind actually
tested, with basically a standard (although good) frame.

I did not accuse you of lieing, you are very trustworthy and honist,
that is not what I meant, I do apologise; although I wanted you to
explain your connections with Sem, these you still have not done fully
in my opinion, but this is my opinion. I think that should anyone look
on any Sem website they will see you there or should they talk to you
it becomes apparent your connections with Sem. You can not be seen as
impartial when you are talking about something so close to your heart.
I think it is always best to be clear in statments like this that you
do have a bias.

I am biased, I admit it but I am too close to Unicycle.com or Nimbus
products to claim to be unbiased. I have great reaspect for the design
of Sem, kh, Bedford, Schlumpf, Koxx, quax and others, their inovations
and contributions to the development of unicycles is on going. It is
great to be in such a vibrant market place.

Just for the record, my personal unicycles include a DM, a Pashley, a
Miyata, 3 Nimbus protypes, a schlumpf, a KH, an onza, a few mongrals
and of course a splattering of carbon unicycles.

You want to know if the UDC hub is heat treated, yes it is to a
hardness of 580 Vicors. This is well documented. I have done full
harness test on all the hubs and it has been posted on the forum in the
past. The majority of UDC pedals have CrMo spindles, this is
standard. Billot cast aluminium cranks do not need post production
heat treatment from what I understand to acheive their optimium
harness.

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rogeratunicycledotcom said:

He then sold it on the Gary and it broke at the Emu Hockey tournament
earlier this year. These are all facts, no speculation about it.

He actually broke it at a Kidderminster uni meet - things don't break
at EMU tournaments - they're high quality hockey tournaments not
destruction derbys 🙂 - we save breaking things for Tuesday night
practises as we don't want to put off our guests 😉

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Thanks for the correction Roland. It was one I was not at.

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Would the Nimbus X 20" (
http://www.unicycle.com/shopping/shopexd.asp?id=743 ) be a good choice
for freestyle? It's one of the cheapest decent looking freestyle
unicycle I found. I guess the LX looks fine; is this much of an
upgrade from that?

Is the Semcycle better, and why, if it is? The Nimus X looks as good,
at a lower cost compared to the Sem with all the upgrades.

The Nimus X description:

# Tubular steel longneck 300mm frame with squared top for one-foot
skills, black powder-coated finish.
# Unicycle.com wide-flange CrMO hardened steel hub and 48-count
stainless-steel silver spokes.
# Bearings:6203 40mm sealed
# 114-mm silver alloy crank arms
# Double-walled 48-hole alloy rim with nipple eyelets.
# Nimbus Gel Saddle - low profile saddle with gel insert for more
comfort with front handle and rear protective bumper, black with red
Nimbus logo.
# Kenda Kikzumbut black 20 x 1.95 freestyle tire, inflates to 65 psi.
# Steel 22.2mm seatpost 300mm
# Black plastic 9/16 pedals
# 5-mm Double allen wrench seat post clamp
# Weight: 4.9kg or 10.8 lbs.

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the nimbus X is better than the LX, for some simple reasons, the Nx
(nimbus X) has a double walled eyeletted rim while the LX has a single
walled rim.

also note the shorter cranks on the Nx this is probably better for
freestyle, the LX cranks are abit long.

The frame is much nicer on the Nx, its crmo (not sure if lx is either)
and is much higher and made for freestyle. As rodger said before its a
custom made frame for freestyle, and although having never tried it, it
looks very good.

Also notice the saddles, although personal preference, i've heard
people complaining about the myata type/LX saddles because they are
wider, but i've never heard anyone say anything bad about the nimbus
gel Velo style saddle....

As to wether all this is worth $75 extra, thats for you to decide. But
i think $175 is a very good price to pay for the nimbus X.

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Is there a significant difference between the Kenda Kikzumbut and other
freestyle tyres? I'd rather order a better tyre with it now than have
to pay separate shipping later, if there is a big discrepancy.

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rogeratunicycledotcom said:

Leo, etc

Roger, thanks a lot for taking your time for your replay. I realy do
appreciate.

With these new details I wont speculate on the frame. Still I doubt
wether we've heared all the essential parts of this story. I only can
say my semcycles never bend or broke, and certainly not all over sudden
while "just riding".

Sorry for defending to you against a wrong asumption of me (thinking
you accuse me of lieng).

Though I wonder what 3 photos on semcycle.nl (as far I know the only
semcycle website I'm at), should prove?
To extend the list I summed up before:
- I've never worked as model for semcycle
- I've never worked for semcycle at all
- the photographer -a good friend of me- was not paid for these
pictures, he donated them and donated his time.
- I've checked the bookkeeping; Semcycle never was customer of any of
my companies.

The majority of UDC pedals may have CrMo spindles, but are THESE
heat-treated to? And the chromoly cranks? I've great experience with
having ALL these part BOTH in chromoly AND heat-treated. I have bad
experience with anything else.

I did'nt know the UDC hub was heat-treated. When I asked you in
Minneapolis you did'nt gave a clear answer. Then again I asked for a
yes or no, and still did'nt get the answer. Also I asked before at UDC
US as well without getting a clear answer. So after 3 times asking I
started to get doubts.

rogeratunicycledotcom said:

you can not be seen as impartial when you are talking about something so
close to your heart. I think it is always best to be clear in statments
like this that you do have a bias.

So if I'm just a happy customer I can't be impartial? Why do you want
so badly make believe I have a bias? Especially YOU should know
better!

The only reason for this, that I can imagen, is that I in person
prevented Chemcrest LTD obtaining a domain under -according the
lawyers- an expired and irrelevant trademark that belonged to a non-EU
company (while only EU companies were allowed to apply). But I cannot
believe you want to be frustrated and "crumpy" for such a childish
reason. I think you're older and wiser than that.

So still I don't get it why you like to see things there aren't there.
I simply have no benefit at all when recommending someone a Semcycle.
Therefore I claim to be independant. It's just my very own opinion,
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