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  1. Interesting thread.

    Someone care to add updates?

    Personally, I think that there are a lot of young riders with a "no
    helmet, I'm too cool" attitude borrowed from skaters. No good. Their
    moms should spank them.

    --
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  2. ivan said:

    Interesting thread.

    Someone care to add updates?

    Personally, I think that there are a lot of young riders with a "no
    helmet, I'm too cool" attitude borrowed from skaters. No good. Their
    moms should spank them.

    but hitting people is wrong!

    --
    thejdw

    I didn't spell it wrong, you just read it wrong!

    kington99 said:

    A hobnob is an oaty biscuit, the fact that they don't exist in america
    just goes to show that you have no culinary heritage 🙂

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

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  3. ivan said:

    Interesting thread.

    Someone care to add updates?

    Personally, I think that there are a lot of young riders with a "no
    helmet, I'm too cool" attitude borrowed from skaters. No good. Their
    moms should spank them.

    but hitting people is wrong!

    --
    thejdw

    I didn't spell it wrong, you just read it wrong!

    kington99 said:

    A hobnob is an oaty biscuit, the fact that they don't exist in america
    just goes to show that you have no culinary heritage 🙂

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    don't follow Jesus, follow me!<<


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  4. ivan said:

    Interesting thread.

    Someone care to add updates?

    Personally, I think that there are a lot of young riders with a "no
    helmet, I'm too cool" attitude borrowed from skaters. No good. Their
    moms should spank them.

    but hitting people is wrong!

    --
    thejdw

    I didn't spell it wrong, you just read it wrong!

    kington99 said:

    A hobnob is an oaty biscuit, the fact that they don't exist in america
    just goes to show that you have no culinary heritage 🙂

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    don't follow Jesus, follow me!<<


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  5. ivan said:

    Interesting thread.

    Someone care to add updates?

    Personally, I think that there are a lot of young riders with a "no
    helmet, I'm too cool" attitude borrowed from skaters. No good. Their
    moms should spank them.

    Another trend I've seen surprisingly is the glorification of no leg
    protection. Somehow its cooler to have large bloody gashes down your
    legs.

    unifreak7 said:

    YES NO PADS!! That's the way to ride nowadays. Padless for 6 weeks, how
    about you?

    -Shaun Johanneson

    Shaun of all people. Not quite as noble as Mr. Holm now are we? :p

    --
    Brian O.

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  6. ivan said:

    Interesting thread.

    Someone care to add updates?

    Personally, I think that there are a lot of young riders with a "no
    helmet, I'm too cool" attitude borrowed from skaters. No good. Their
    moms should spank them.

    Another trend I've seen surprisingly is the glorification of no leg
    protection. Somehow its cooler to have large bloody gashes down your
    legs.

    unifreak7 said:

    YES NO PADS!! That's the way to ride nowadays. Padless for 6 weeks, how
    about you?

    -Shaun Johanneson

    Shaun of all people. Not quite as noble as Mr. Holm now are we? :p

    --
    Brian O.

    *'ProjectUNI' (http://www.otherworldsociety.org/projectuni) - *The First
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  7. ivan said:

    Interesting thread.

    Someone care to add updates?

    Personally, I think that there are a lot of young riders with a "no
    helmet, I'm too cool" attitude borrowed from skaters. No good. Their
    moms should spank them.

    Another trend I've seen surprisingly is the glorification of no leg
    protection. Somehow its cooler to have large bloody gashes down your
    legs.

    unifreak7 said:

    YES NO PADS!! That's the way to ride nowadays. Padless for 6 weeks, how
    about you?

    -Shaun Johanneson

    Shaun of all people. Not quite as noble as Mr. Holm now are we? :p

    --
    Brian O.

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  8. Mr. Holm maybe humble and all, but -why- does he have danger_uni as his
    username? Glorification of danger?

    --
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    <<<<>>>>Sledgehammer for Jebus<<<<>>>>entropy isn't what it used
    to be.

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  9. Mr. Holm maybe humble and all, but -why- does he have danger_uni as his
    username? Glorification of danger?

    --
    ivan

    <<<<>>>>Sledgehammer for Jebus<<<<>>>>entropy isn't what it used
    to be.

    Trying is the first step towards failure.
    -Homer Simpson-


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  10. Mr. Holm maybe humble and all, but -why- does he have danger_uni as his
    username? Glorification of danger?

    --
    ivan

    <<<<>>>>Sledgehammer for Jebus<<<<>>>>entropy isn't what it used
    to be.

    Trying is the first step towards failure.
    -Homer Simpson-


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  11. ivan said:

    Mr. Holm maybe humble and all, but -why- does he have danger_uni as his
    username? Glorification of danger?

    Hardly glorification, its a warning for us to remember how dangerous it
    can be.

    Sort of like those "Danger: curve ahead." road signs.

    --
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  12. ivan said:

    Mr. Holm maybe humble and all, but -why- does he have danger_uni as his
    username? Glorification of danger?

    Hardly glorification, its a warning for us to remember how dangerous it
    can be.

    Sort of like those "Danger: curve ahead." road signs.

    --
    Brian O.

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  13. ivan said:

    Mr. Holm maybe humble and all, but -why- does he have danger_uni as his
    username? Glorification of danger?

    Hardly glorification, its a warning for us to remember how dangerous it
    can be.

    Sort of like those "Danger: curve ahead." road signs.

    --
    Brian O.

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  14. Interesting.

    Risk breaks down into two completely separate areas:

    - How likely it is to happen.
    - How serious the consequences are likely to be if it does happen.

    Most people's risk assessment skills are poorly developed. The typical
    western person's upbringing involves two conflicting influences on
    their risk assessment:

    - A health and safety first, take no risks, take no responsibility
    attitude. (School trips banned because they are dangerous; fire
    fighters banned from standing on a step ladder to fit a smoke
    detector; the balme and litigation culture.)
    - Entertainment media that show people surviving improbable or
    impossible levels of danger.

    The safety first upbringing means that most people have no intuitive
    understanding of how to assess risk. They have never faced risk.

    The entertainment media thing then paints a misleading image on this
    blank canvas: you can survive the most extreme accident, fall, etc., if
    only you are brave enough and cool enough.

    If you see something happen enough times, it becomes the norm. Most
    people spend more time watching TV or playing computerised action games
    than they do taking physical exercise.

    So then someone gets the chance to take part in a risky activity. They
    can react two ways:

    - Maintain the safety first at all costs attitude, and think they are
    living on the edge when they ride their 21 speed mountainbike along a
    level fire road in the forest. They glorify the icons of danger: the
    helmet, the "body armour" (does "padding" sound as glamorous?), and
    the totems: brands, colours, technical features. They are role
    playing.
    - Or they can role play the action scenes they have watched a
    thousand times - but with no real understanding of the real risks.

    It's the second sort we're concerned with. Any fool can get on a
    mountain bike and ride it down hill moderately fast. If they have
    enough padding, they can even survive a few falls - then exaggerate
    them in their memories.

    And any fool can ride a mountainbike off a 1 foot drop, or 18 inches,
    or 2 feet.

    Then they notice two things:

    - It wasn't that exciting
    - They didn't hurt themselves

    To make it more exciting, they try a bigger drop, or a faster drop.
    They try to recreate the adrenaline rush, and it's never quite as good
    as they hoped.

    But because they've never fallen badly before, by inductive reasoning,
    they sort of assume they'll never fall. Until they do.

    But a unicyclist or a scuba diver has to do a lot of work to earn each
    step of his or her way. Riding a unicycle is a few hours' hard work,
    and there will be some falls along the way, and you will probably hurt
    yourself just enough to learn respect. then freemounting is a few
    hours' more work. And idling is. And so is your first mile long ride.
    And so on.

    In bicycling, you can go from complete novice to appearing to be in
    control at moderately high speed on the smae day.

    On a unicycle, you earn every bit of your skill, and appreciate it
    more.

    I think that there is a double effect here:

    - It takes a certain personality type to have the determination to
    learn to unicycle. They will generally have a better "attitude" to
    risk.
    - Unicycling itself teaches you to assess risk, because there are so
    many falls and knocks along the way.

    Some rock climbers are safety fetishists, and enjoy the risk management
    (look at all this equipment) as much as the climbing. It is an arcane
    mystery, and men like arcane mysteries that involve shiny bits of metal
    and "rituals".

    Other rock climbers are gung ho. Free climbers who do short but
    extreme climbs. Many years ago, I was interested in rock climbing. I
    remember reading in High (the BMC magazine) about a bloke (Ron
    Fawcett?) who had broken every major bone in his body several times in
    his climbing career. he was an adrenaline junkie.

    --
    Mikefule

    I don't know what hurts most when I ride my uni: my left leg, my right
    leg, or something in between.
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  15. Interesting.

    Risk breaks down into two completely separate areas:

    - How likely it is to happen.
    - How serious the consequences are likely to be if it does happen.

    Most people's risk assessment skills are poorly developed. The typical
    western person's upbringing involves two conflicting influences on
    their risk assessment:

    - A health and safety first, take no risks, take no responsibility
    attitude. (School trips banned because they are dangerous; fire
    fighters banned from standing on a step ladder to fit a smoke
    detector; the balme and litigation culture.)
    - Entertainment media that show people surviving improbable or
    impossible levels of danger.

    The safety first upbringing means that most people have no intuitive
    understanding of how to assess risk. They have never faced risk.

    The entertainment media thing then paints a misleading image on this
    blank canvas: you can survive the most extreme accident, fall, etc., if
    only you are brave enough and cool enough.

    If you see something happen enough times, it becomes the norm. Most
    people spend more time watching TV or playing computerised action games
    than they do taking physical exercise.

    So then someone gets the chance to take part in a risky activity. They
    can react two ways:

    - Maintain the safety first at all costs attitude, and think they are
    living on the edge when they ride their 21 speed mountainbike along a
    level fire road in the forest. They glorify the icons of danger: the
    helmet, the "body armour" (does "padding" sound as glamorous?), and
    the totems: brands, colours, technical features. They are role
    playing.
    - Or they can role play the action scenes they have watched a
    thousand times - but with no real understanding of the real risks.

    It's the second sort we're concerned with. Any fool can get on a
    mountain bike and ride it down hill moderately fast. If they have
    enough padding, they can even survive a few falls - then exaggerate
    them in their memories.

    And any fool can ride a mountainbike off a 1 foot drop, or 18 inches,
    or 2 feet.

    Then they notice two things:

    - It wasn't that exciting
    - They didn't hurt themselves

    To make it more exciting, they try a bigger drop, or a faster drop.
    They try to recreate the adrenaline rush, and it's never quite as good
    as they hoped.

    But because they've never fallen badly before, by inductive reasoning,
    they sort of assume they'll never fall. Until they do.

    But a unicyclist or a scuba diver has to do a lot of work to earn each
    step of his or her way. Riding a unicycle is a few hours' hard work,
    and there will be some falls along the way, and you will probably hurt
    yourself just enough to learn respect. then freemounting is a few
    hours' more work. And idling is. And so is your first mile long ride.
    And so on.

    In bicycling, you can go from complete novice to appearing to be in
    control at moderately high speed on the smae day.

    On a unicycle, you earn every bit of your skill, and appreciate it
    more.

    I think that there is a double effect here:

    - It takes a certain personality type to have the determination to
    learn to unicycle. They will generally have a better "attitude" to
    risk.
    - Unicycling itself teaches you to assess risk, because there are so
    many falls and knocks along the way.

    Some rock climbers are safety fetishists, and enjoy the risk management
    (look at all this equipment) as much as the climbing. It is an arcane
    mystery, and men like arcane mysteries that involve shiny bits of metal
    and "rituals".

    Other rock climbers are gung ho. Free climbers who do short but
    extreme climbs. Many years ago, I was interested in rock climbing. I
    remember reading in High (the BMC magazine) about a bloke (Ron
    Fawcett?) who had broken every major bone in his body several times in
    his climbing career. he was an adrenaline junkie.

    --
    Mikefule

    I don't know what hurts most when I ride my uni: my left leg, my right
    leg, or something in between.
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  16. Interesting.

    Risk breaks down into two completely separate areas:

    - How likely it is to happen.
    - How serious the consequences are likely to be if it does happen.

    Most people's risk assessment skills are poorly developed. The typical
    western person's upbringing involves two conflicting influences on
    their risk assessment:

    - A health and safety first, take no risks, take no responsibility
    attitude. (School trips banned because they are dangerous; fire
    fighters banned from standing on a step ladder to fit a smoke
    detector; the balme and litigation culture.)
    - Entertainment media that show people surviving improbable or
    impossible levels of danger.

    The safety first upbringing means that most people have no intuitive
    understanding of how to assess risk. They have never faced risk.

    The entertainment media thing then paints a misleading image on this
    blank canvas: you can survive the most extreme accident, fall, etc., if
    only you are brave enough and cool enough.

    If you see something happen enough times, it becomes the norm. Most
    people spend more time watching TV or playing computerised action games
    than they do taking physical exercise.

    So then someone gets the chance to take part in a risky activity. They
    can react two ways:

    - Maintain the safety first at all costs attitude, and think they are
    living on the edge when they ride their 21 speed mountainbike along a
    level fire road in the forest. They glorify the icons of danger: the
    helmet, the "body armour" (does "padding" sound as glamorous?), and
    the totems: brands, colours, technical features. They are role
    playing.
    - Or they can role play the action scenes they have watched a
    thousand times - but with no real understanding of the real risks.

    It's the second sort we're concerned with. Any fool can get on a
    mountain bike and ride it down hill moderately fast. If they have
    enough padding, they can even survive a few falls - then exaggerate
    them in their memories.

    And any fool can ride a mountainbike off a 1 foot drop, or 18 inches,
    or 2 feet.

    Then they notice two things:

    - It wasn't that exciting
    - They didn't hurt themselves

    To make it more exciting, they try a bigger drop, or a faster drop.
    They try to recreate the adrenaline rush, and it's never quite as good
    as they hoped.

    But because they've never fallen badly before, by inductive reasoning,
    they sort of assume they'll never fall. Until they do.

    But a unicyclist or a scuba diver has to do a lot of work to earn each
    step of his or her way. Riding a unicycle is a few hours' hard work,
    and there will be some falls along the way, and you will probably hurt
    yourself just enough to learn respect. then freemounting is a few
    hours' more work. And idling is. And so is your first mile long ride.
    And so on.

    In bicycling, you can go from complete novice to appearing to be in
    control at moderately high speed on the smae day.

    On a unicycle, you earn every bit of your skill, and appreciate it
    more.

    I think that there is a double effect here:

    - It takes a certain personality type to have the determination to
    learn to unicycle. They will generally have a better "attitude" to
    risk.
    - Unicycling itself teaches you to assess risk, because there are so
    many falls and knocks along the way.

    Some rock climbers are safety fetishists, and enjoy the risk management
    (look at all this equipment) as much as the climbing. It is an arcane
    mystery, and men like arcane mysteries that involve shiny bits of metal
    and "rituals".

    Other rock climbers are gung ho. Free climbers who do short but
    extreme climbs. Many years ago, I was interested in rock climbing. I
    remember reading in High (the BMC magazine) about a bloke (Ron
    Fawcett?) who had broken every major bone in his body several times in
    his climbing career. he was an adrenaline junkie.

    --
    Mikefule

    I don't know what hurts most when I ride my uni: my left leg, my right
    leg, or something in between.
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  17. I agree with Brian O on leg protection... If I'm riding along as
    transportation I usually only wear wrist guards (though I should wear a
    helmet)... Every time I try a trick or something challenging when I'm
    not wearing leg armor, I end up bleeding :P

    --
    evil-nick

    Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total
    obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and
    through me. And when it has gone past, I will turn the inner eye to see
    its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will
    remain.

    * Bene Gesserit Litany Against Fear.

    I'm late for checkers with the Dalai Lama!

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  18. I agree with Brian O on leg protection... If I'm riding along as
    transportation I usually only wear wrist guards (though I should wear a
    helmet)... Every time I try a trick or something challenging when I'm
    not wearing leg armor, I end up bleeding :P

    --
    evil-nick

    Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total
    obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and
    through me. And when it has gone past, I will turn the inner eye to see
    its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will
    remain.

    * Bene Gesserit Litany Against Fear.

    I'm late for checkers with the Dalai Lama!

    My gallery:
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    http://cs.ubishops.ca/~buuc/
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  19. I agree with Brian O on leg protection... If I'm riding along as
    transportation I usually only wear wrist guards (though I should wear a
    helmet)... Every time I try a trick or something challenging when I'm
    not wearing leg armor, I end up bleeding :P

    --
    evil-nick

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  20. Brian O. said:

    Another trend I've seen surprisingly is the glorification of no leg
    protection. Somehow its cooler to have large bloody gashes down your
    legs.

    Hmmmm I wonder if the girls like blood...

    @Mikefule- intersting write up

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    A hobnob is an oaty biscuit, the fact that they don't exist in america
    just goes to show that you have no culinary heritage 🙂

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