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  1. "R. Steve Walz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Dentists Are Fluoride Misinformed


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    Fluoride Nuts are insane and confabulate wildly,
    even to the extent of falsifying and fraudulently
    presenting information.
    Steve

    But on the other hand, sodium fluoride did originate as a mind control drug
    used in nazi germany to keep inmates docile and easy to control.

    And there are no actual studies that show its beneficial effect on tooth
    decay.

    Carole
    http://www.conspiracee.com

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    Dentists Are Fluoride Misinformed


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    Fluoride Nuts are insane and confabulate wildly,
    even to the extent of falsifying and fraudulently
    presenting information.
    Steve

    But on the other hand, sodium fluoride did originate as a mind control


    drug

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    used in nazi germany to keep inmates docile and easy to control.

    And there are no actual studies that show its beneficial effect on tooth
    decay.

    Carole
    http://www.conspiracee.com


    Your last sentence shows your total ignorance about fluoridation. Hundreds
    of studies support it.

    Robert

  3. Robert said:

    Hundreds > of studies support it.

    Let's see them.

    A groups of UK scientists from the University of York looked at the
    fluoridation studies and found them scientifcically invalid:

    Here's another one that shows fluoride is ineffective:

    http://iadr.confex.com/iadr/2006Orld/techprogram/abstract_73811.htm

    0153 Dental caries and fluorosis in relation to water fluoride levels

    L. HONG1, S.M. LEVY2, J. WARREN2, and B. BROFFITT2, 1University of
    Missouri -Kansas City, USA, 2University of Iowa, Iowa City, USA

    Objectives: This study assessed the relationship between dental caries
    and fluorosis at varying fluoride levels in drinking water.

    Methods: Subjects were followed from birth with questionnaires every
    3-4 months to gather information on fluoride intake. 420 study subjects
    received dental examinations at age 5 on primary teeth and at age 9 on
    early-erupting permanent teeth. Composite fluoride levels in drinking
    water at home and childcare were determined from public, private well,
    and/or bottled water sources at 24 months of age for individual
    participants. Permanent tooth fluorosis cases were defined as subjects
    having definitive/severe fluorosis on 2+ teeth. Caries prevalence rates
    were calculated at age ~5 and ~9 on primary teeth. The linear trends
    between fluorosis or caries and fluoride levels in drinking water were
    assessed by Cochran-Armitage tests.

    Results: Fluorosis prevalence rates on early-erupting permanent teeth
    were 21.0%, 41.1% and 46.3% for composite water fluoride levels of
    <0.7, 0.7-1.2, and >1.2 ppm (P<0.001). Caries prevalence rates on all
    primary teeth at ~age 5 were 23.8%, 22.9%, and 24.4% for water levels
    of <0.7, 0.7-1.2, and >1.2 ppm (p=0.970). Specifically on primary
    second molars, the corresponding caries prevalence rates were 18.2%,
    15.3%, and 17.0% at ~age 5 (p=0.631) and 37.1%, 34.3%, and 34.1% at
    ~age 9 (p=0.612), respectively. Similar relationships were found
    between fluorosis/caries and water fluoride levels at 12 months and 36
    months.

    Conclusions: Fluorosis prevalence increased significantly with higher
    water fluoride levels; however, caries prevalence did not decline
    significantly. Supported in part by R01-DE09551, R01-DE12101, and
    M01-RR00059. (my emphasis, PC)

  4. I wouldn't be so bold as to say "hundreds." I've personally seen more
    studies that disprove floridation than studies that support it. This
    page is a good start with many references:

    http://www.westonaprice.org/envtoxins/fluoride.html

    and some excerpts from that page:

    "Fluorine compounds or fluorides are listed by the US Agency for Toxic
    Substances and Disease Registry (ATSDR) as among the top 20 of 275
    substances that pose the most significant threat to human health.7"

    "Fluorides are cumulative toxins. The fact that fluorides accumulate in
    the body is the reason that US law requires the Surgeon General to set
    a Maximum Contaminant Level (MCL) for fluoride content in public water
    supplies as determined by the EPA. This requirement is specifically
    aimed at avoiding a condition known as Crippling Skeletal Fluorosis
    (CSF), a disease thought to progress through three stages. The MCL,
    designed to prevent only the third and crippling stage of this disease,
    is set at 4ppm or 4mg per liter. It is assumed that people will retain
    half of this amount (2mg), and therefore 4mg per liter is deemed
    "safe." Yet a daily dose of 2-8mg is known to cause the third crippling
    stage of CSF.10,11"

    "When other scientists investigated Dean's data, they did not reach the
    same conclusions. In fact, Dean had engaged in "selective use of data,"
    using findings from 21 cities that supported his case while completely
    disregarding data from 272 other locations that did not show a
    correlation.14 In court cases Dean was forced to admit under oath that
    his data were invalid.15 In 1957 he had to admit at AMA hearings that
    even waters containing a mere 0.1ppm (0.1 mg/l) could cause dental
    fluorosis, the first visible sign of fluoride overdose.16 Moreover,
    there is not one single double-blind study to indicate that
    fluoridation is effective in reducing cavities.17"

    Max.

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    Carole said:


    "R. Steve Walz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Dentists Are Fluoride Misinformed


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    Fluoride Nuts are insane and confabulate wildly,
    even to the extent of falsifying and fraudulently
    presenting information.
    Steve

    But on the other hand, sodium fluoride did originate as a mind control drug
    used in nazi germany to keep inmates docile and easy to control.

    And there are no actual studies that show its beneficial effect on tooth
    decay.

    There are no actual studies to show that it actually keeps people
    docile.

    -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
    These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
    "If you can't say something nice, then sit next to me."
    -- Alice Roosevelt Longworth

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    Robert said:

    Hundreds > of studies support it.

    Let's see them.

    A groups of UK scientists from the University of York looked at the
    fluoridation studies and found them scientifcically invalid:

    Here's another one that shows fluoride is ineffective:


    -------------------
    All you did was post intentionally distortive garbage on LIE websites.

    You whack-jobs are down to lying outright these days.
    Steve

  7. Max C. said:


    I wouldn't be so bold as to say "hundreds." I've personally seen more
    studies that disprove floridation than studies that support it. This
    page is a good start with many references:

    http://www.westonaprice.org/envtoxins/fluoride.html


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    Another paranoid conspiracy site that LIES outright!!
    Steve

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    > Dentists Are Fluoride Misinformed
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    Fluoride Nuts are insane and confabulate wildly,
    even to the extent of falsifying and fraudulently
    presenting information.
    Steve

    But on the other hand, sodium fluoride did originate as a mind control


    drug

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    used in nazi germany to keep inmates docile and easy to control.

    And there are no actual studies that show its beneficial effect on tooth
    decay.

    Carole
    http://www.conspiracee.com


    Your last sentence shows your total ignorance about fluoridation. Hundreds
    of studies support it.

    Robert

    I think you'll find that you are wrong Robert.

    http://www.fluoridealert.org/

    Did you know? flouride

    * Almost all of western Europe has rejected water fluoridation.

    * Two-thirds of US communities, when given the chance to vote, have voted
    against fluoridation. Over 70 US communities have rejected water
    fluoridation since 1999.

    * The fluoride chemical added to water is an unprocessed, industrial
    waste-product from the pollution scrubbers of the phosphate fertilizer
    industry.

    * A growing body of evidence indicates that water fluoridation is
    ineffective and unnecessary.

    * Fluoride's primary 'benefits' are topical, not systemic. Thus, there is no
    need to swallow fluoride.

    * Children are receiving too much fluoride today. There is a need to reduce,
    not increase, current exposures.

    * Just as fluoride can damage cells in developing teeth, fluoride can damage
    cells in other organs as well.

    Carole
    http://www.cellsalts.net

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    Robert said:

    Hundreds > of studies support it.

    Let's see them.

    A groups of UK scientists from the University of York looked at the
    fluoridation studies and found them scientifcically invalid:

    Here's another one that shows fluoride is ineffective:


    -------------------
    All you did was post intentionally distortive garbage on LIE websites.

    You whack-jobs are down to lying outright these days.
    Steve

    And what is your understanding of fluoride Steve?
    And why was sodium fluoride used in nazi germany - to keep the inmates teeth
    nice?

    Carole
    http://www.cellsalts.net

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    Another paranoid conspiracy site that LIES outright!!

    2 words... "prove it."

  11. I would appear to me that he just runs around calling people liars with
    no real scientific evidence of his own to present. I've always dealt
    with people like that in 2 ways:
    1 - ask them to support their position with data (or as I said above,
    "prove it."😉
    2 - if they can't do # 1, just ignore them. You can killfile them or
    however you choose to ignore them.

    There's only so much ignorance a person can tolerate. That's exactly
    why so many in this group have chosen to start ignoring Mr. Natural
    Health. He's just here to get jollies by causing disharmony in the
    group with no real information to give back. People like that aren't
    worthy of my time. My guess is Steve is going to join Mr. Natural in
    my killfile list very soon.

    Max.

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    Robert wrote:
    >Hundreds > of studies support it.

    Let's see them.

    A groups of UK scientists from the University of York looked at the
    fluoridation studies and found them scientifcically invalid:

    Here's another one that shows fluoride is ineffective:


    -------------------
    All you did was post intentionally distortive garbage on LIE websites.

    You whack-jobs are down to lying outright these days.
    Steve

    And what is your understanding of fluoride Steve?
    And why was sodium fluoride used in nazi germany - to keep the inmates


    teeth

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    nice?

    Carole
    http://www.cellsalts.net


    How do you explain the millions of people who have Fluoride in their water
    with no problems?

    Where do you get your wacko ideas?

    Robert

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    > Robert wrote:
    > >Hundreds > of studies support it.
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    > Let's see them.
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    > A groups of UK scientists from the University of York looked at the
    > fluoridation studies and found them scientifcically invalid:
    >
    > Here's another one that shows fluoride is ineffective:
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    All you did was post intentionally distortive garbage on LIE websites.

    You whack-jobs are down to lying outright these days.
    Steve

    And what is your understanding of fluoride Steve?
    And why was sodium fluoride used in nazi germany - to keep the inmates


    teeth

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    nice?

    Carole
    http://www.cellsalts.net


    How do you explain the millions of people who have Fluoride in their water
    with no problems?

    Where do you get your wacko ideas?

    Some of them from David Icke's site--she has said that his theory that
    earth is being run by giant shape-shifting lizards is "possible".

    Cathy🙂

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    Robert

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    > Robert wrote:
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    > Let's see them.
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    > A groups of UK scientists from the University of York looked at the
    > fluoridation studies and found them scientifcically invalid:
    >
    > Here's another one that shows fluoride is ineffective:
    -------------------
    All you did was post intentionally distortive garbage on LIE websites.

    You whack-jobs are down to lying outright these days.
    Steve

    And what is your understanding of fluoride Steve?
    And why was sodium fluoride used in nazi germany - to keep the inmates


    teeth

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    nice?

    Carole
    http://www.cellsalts.net


    How do you explain the millions of people who have Fluoride in their water
    with no problems?

    Where do you get your wacko ideas?

    Robert

    So typical for Robert.

    http://www.fluoridation.com/
    http://www.fluoridation.com/news.htm
    http://www.fluoridealert.org/govt-statements.htm
    http://www.fluoridation.com/colquh.htm
    http://www.fluoridation.com/colquh.htmA LONG OVERDUE FLOURIDE APOLOGY ----
    International Fluoride Information Network. BULLETIN # 18 Dec.
    6,1999DR. HARDY LIMEBACK'S APOLOGYProminent researcher apologizes for
    pushing
    fluorideby Barry ForbesThe Tribune, Mesa, AZSunday, December 5,
    1999"Reproduced
    With Permission""Why'd you do it, Doc? Why'd you toss the fluoride folks
    overboard?" I had just tracked down Dr. Hardy Limeback, B.Sc., Ph.D
    inBiochemistry, D.D.S., head of the Department of Preventive Dentistry for
    theUniversity of Toronto, and president of the Canadian Association for
    DentalResearch. (Whew.)Dr. Limeback is Canada's leading fluoride authority
    and,
    until recently, thecountry's primary promoter of the controversial
    additive.In
    a surprising newsmaker interview this past April, Dr. Limeback announced
    adramatic change of heart. "Children under three should never use
    fluoridatedtoothpaste," he counseled. "Or drink fluoridated water. And baby
    formula mustnever be made up using Toronto tap water. Never."Why, I
    wondered?
    What could have caused such a powerful paradigm shift? "It's been building
    up
    for a couple of years," Limeback told me during a recenttelephone interview.
    "But certainly the crowning blow was the realization thatwe have been
    dumping
    contaminated fluoride into water reservoirs for half acentury. The vast
    majority of all fluoride additives come from Tampa Bay,Florida smokestack
    scrubbers. The additives are a toxic byproduct of thesuper-phosphate
    fertilizer industry.""Tragically," he continued, "that means we're not just
    dumping toxic fluorideinto our drinking water. We're also exposing
    innocent,
    unsuspecting people todeadly elements of lead, arsenic and radium, all of
    them
    carcinogenic. Becauseof the cumulative properties of toxins, the
    detrimental
    effects on human healthare catastrophic."A recent study at the University of
    Toronto confirmed Dr. Limeback's worstfears. "Residents of cities that
    fluoridate have double the fluoride in theirhip bones vis-a-vis the balance
    of
    the population. Worse, we discovered thatfluoride is actually altering the
    basic architecture of human bones." Skeletal fluorosis is a debilitating
    condition that occurs when fluorideaccumulates in bones, making them
    extremely
    weak and brittle. The earliestsymptoms?"Mottled and brittle teeth," Dr.
    Limeback told me. "In Canada we are nowspending more money treating dental
    fluorosis than we do treating cavities.That includes my own practice."One of
    the most obvious living experiments today, Dr. Limeback believes, is
    aproof-positive comparison between any two Canadian cities. "Here in
    Torontowe've been fluoridating for 36 years. Yet Vancouver - which has
    neverfluoridated - has a cavity rate lower than Toronto's." And, he pointed
    out,cavity rates are low all across the industrialized world - including
    Europe,which is 98% fluoride free. Low because ofimproved standards of
    living,
    less refined sugar, regular dental checkups,flossing and frequent brushing.
    Now less than 2 cavities per childCanada-wide, he said. "I don't get it,
    Doc.
    Last month, the Centers forDisease Control (CDC) ran a puff piece all across
    America saying the stuff wasbetter than sliced bread. What's the story?"
    "Unfortunately," he replied, "the CDC is basing its position on data that is
    50years old, and questionable at best. Absolutely no one has done research
    onfluorosilicates, which is the junk they're dumping into the drinking
    water."
    "On the other hand," he added, "the evidence against systemic fluoride
    in-takecontinues to pour in.""But Doc, the dentists.""I have absolutely no
    training in toxicity," he stated firmly. "Yourwell-intentioned dentist is
    simply following 50 years of misinformation frompublic health and the dental
    association. Me, too. Unfortunately, we werewrong." Last week, Dr. Hardy
    Limeback addressed his faculty and students at theUniversity of Toronto,
    Department of Dentistry. In a poignant, memorablemeeting, he apologized to
    those gathered before him.

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    > Steve

    And what is your understanding of fluoride Steve?
    And why was sodium fluoride used in nazi germany - to keep the inmates


    teeth

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    nice?

    Carole
    http://www.cellsalts.net


    How do you explain the millions of people who have Fluoride in their


    water

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    with no problems?

    Where do you get your wacko ideas?

    Some of them from David Icke's site--she has said that his theory that
    earth is being run by giant shape-shifting lizards is "possible".

    Possible but highly unlikely.
    But on the other hand, it is highly likely that you are brain dead.

    Carole
    http://www.conspiracee.com

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    websites.

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    > And what is your understanding of fluoride Steve?
    > And why was sodium fluoride used in nazi germany - to keep the inmates
    teeth
    > nice?
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    > Carole
    > http://www.cellsalts.net
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    How do you explain the millions of people who have Fluoride in their


    water

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    with no problems?

    Where do you get your wacko ideas?

    Some of them from David Icke's site--she has said that his theory that
    earth is being run by giant shape-shifting lizards is "possible".

    Possible but highly unlikely.
    But on the other hand, it is highly likely that you are brain dead.

    Gosh, Carole, don't you ever tire of making a fool of yourself? A
    halfwit who thinks she takes organic sodium chloride and that the earth
    being run by giant shape-shifting lizards is "possible" calling anyone
    else brain dead is always going to be laughable.

    But entertaining🙂

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    Carole
    http://www.conspiracee.com

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    > Robert wrote:
    > >Hundreds > of studies support it.
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    > Let's see them.
    >
    > A groups of UK scientists from the University of York looked at the
    > fluoridation studies and found them scientifcically invalid:
    >
    > Here's another one that shows fluoride is ineffective:
    -------------------
    All you did was post intentionally distortive garbage on LIE websites.

    You whack-jobs are down to lying outright these days.
    Steve

    And what is your understanding of fluoride Steve?
    And why was sodium fluoride used in nazi germany - to keep the inmates


    teeth

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    nice?

    Carole
    http://www.cellsalts.net


    How do you explain the millions of people who have Fluoride in their water
    with no problems?

    But there might be problems.

    Maybe the fluoride is causing people to become calcium deficient.
    I have read that the antidote for sodium fluoride poisoning is calcium, so
    if they keep putting it in the water, it will leach calcium out of people's
    bodies.
    Calcium deficiency is one of the biggest health hazzards - they say 1 in 2
    women and 1 in 3-8 men have some sort of problem with osteoporosis in later
    years. And there are more difficulties for the person than bone density
    problems.
    Calcium deficiency effects every part of a person's wellbeing including
    depression and anxiety disorders.

    I remember when I was about 27 that I knew there was something wrong with me
    but couldn't work out what. Eventually when I got onto calcium supplements,
    I worked out that it was the main problem affecting not only my physical
    wellbeing but also psychological and mental wellbeing.

    So bite your bum Robert and get a brain for once in your miserable life.
    Why do you think you have ms.

    Go to www.doctoryourself.com and have a read about ms.

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    Where do you get your wacko ideas?

    I know where you get yours - fed to you by the propaganda network
    compliments of pharmaceutial cartel and *the gang*.

    Carole
    http://www.cellsalts.net

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    I would appear to me that he just runs around calling people liars with
    no real scientific evidence of his own to present. I've always dealt
    with people like that in 2 ways:
    1 - ask them to support their position with data (or as I said above,
    "prove it."😉
    2 - if they can't do # 1, just ignore them. You can killfile them or
    however you choose to ignore them.

    There's only so much ignorance a person can tolerate. That's exactly
    why so many in this group have chosen to start ignoring Mr. Natural
    Health. He's just here to get jollies by causing disharmony in the
    group with no real information to give back. People like that aren't
    worthy of my time. My guess is Steve is going to join Mr. Natural in
    my killfile list very soon.

    Max.

    There's nothing wrong with mr natural health that a few cellsalts wouldn't
    cure.
    Mental disease is often organic. It says a lot that his teeth packed it in.
    I'd say the guy is seriously calcium deficient for starters ...and calcium
    deficiency causes lots of mental problems, not just physical and bones.
    Calcium deficiency affects mental problems like anxiety and depression.

    Carole
    http://www.cellsalts.net

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    Possible but highly unlikely.
    But on the other hand, it is highly likely that you are brain dead.

    Gosh, Carole, don't you ever tire of making a fool of yourself? A
    halfwit who thinks she takes organic sodium chloride and that the earth
    being run by giant shape-shifting lizards is "possible" calling anyone
    else brain dead is always going to be laughable.

    But Cathy, you told me that it was true.
    Are you saying now that you don't believe it?
    Are you trying to make a fool of me?

    Carole
    http://www.conspiracee.com

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    Possible but highly unlikely.
    But on the other hand, it is highly likely that you are brain dead.

    Gosh, Carole, don't you ever tire of making a fool of yourself? A
    halfwit who thinks she takes organic sodium chloride and that the earth
    being run by giant shape-shifting lizards is "possible" calling anyone
    else brain dead is always going to be laughable.

    But Cathy, you told me that it was true.
    Are you saying now that you don't believe it?
    Are you trying to make a fool of me?

    You do that to yourself, Carole.

    1. I have never said that sodium chloride is organic;.

    2. I have never said that the earth is run by giant shape-shifting
    lizards.

    WTF are you talking about?

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    Carole
    http://www.conspiracee.com

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