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  1. Quoted message said:

    (This is not a purely metaphysical question, since it can happen to
    anyone riding a bike. I don't know who goes where, but my best guess
    is that the moral go to a different place than the immoral. And nobody
    rents donkeys where I live.)

    From Dave Zabriskie's diary on Bicycling's website
    http://www.bicycling.com/tourdefrance/article/0,6802,s1-7-123-14913-1,00.html
    =====================
    I was talking with Tom. I swear for every one million Tom Boonen fans there
    must be at least one Dave Zabriskie fan...and I made sure that I pointed
    each one out to him yesterday. Yes, I was really appreciating the fans, they
    really helped me get through on a day like that.

    But then Boonen comes up with this line. He says, "See those cows over
    there? That's what happens when cyclist's die. They turn into cows."
    =====================

    --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
    www.ChainReactionBicycles.com

    "donquijote1954" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    (This is not a purely metaphysical question, since it can happen to
    anyone riding a bike. I don't know who goes where, but my best guess
    is that the moral go to a different place than the immoral. And nobody
    rents donkeys where I live.)

    Immortalist said:

    On Dec 30, 2:48 pm, donquijote1954 <[email hidden]>
    wrote:

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    A SYSTEM THAT GIVES YOU THE FREEDOM TO CHOOSE AMONG 25 MODELS OF SUVs,
    BUT NOT THE FREEDOM TO RIDE A BIKE, CANNOT POSSIBLY BE CALLED
    "DEMOCRATIC" OR "CHRISTIAN." POLLUTING MUST BE A SIN. And, besides,
    JESUS RODE A DONKEY. 😉

    Quoted message said:

    The Revolution Will Not be Motorized
    by Robin Buckallew
    So you say you want a revolution? Well, we all want to change the
    world. So what? Quit [censored] and moaning, quit bellyaching, and get
    off your duff. There is no way to change the world by sitting on your
    ass in an air conditioned room, even if you listen to nothing but
    early Dylan and read nothing but Hunter Thompson. You can't change the
    world unless you change yourself first. As Gandhi used to say, "Be the
    change you want to see in the
    world".http://www.faulkingtruth.com/Articles/GlobalWarning/1054.html

    Quoted message said:

    *WORLDWIDE CAMPAIGN TO TAKE THE LANE*
    Yes, why not. If we are some more than a nuisance to drivers, then we
    too belong in the lane, the middle of the lane that is, since we can't
    be happy with the scraps of riding in the gutter, and then be
    terrorized there too, like when the bigger vehicle blows the horn with
    the same intention the lion uses his roar: INTIMIDATION. As if their
    mere presence wasn't enough to send everybody running.

    Quoted message said:

    Well, no more. BICYCLES BELONG TOO. Don't let fear make you miss a
    healthy, fun and moral lifestyle. EVOLUTION IS PART OF LIFE. DINOSAURS
    ARE A THING OF THE PAST! The Jungle may never be the same...

    Quoted message said:

    'RIDING A BIKE COSTS PEANUTS'http://webspawner.com/users/donquijote88

    Quoted message said:

    'WELCOME TO THE JUNGLE'http://webspawner.com/users/donquijote

    When things get tense, ride on the sidewalk. Otherwise, stradle the
    line and they will more likely go around since, the perception of a
    need to go around is not tangled with conception of unfairness. The
    closer to the line the less they think your trying to hog the lane.
    Some people sew the city or county if there is not enough space.

    You never know when things get tense since it only takes an oversized
    SUV with a driver distracted on the phone to send you to he...

    HEY, DO DEAD CYCLISTS GO TO HEAVEN OR HELL?

  2. Mike Jacoubowsky said:

    From Dave Zabriskie's diary on Bicycling's website
    http://www.bicycling.com/tourdefrance/article/0,6802,s1-7-123-14913-1,00.html
    =====================
    I was talking with Tom. I swear for every one million Tom Boonen fans there
    must be at least one Dave Zabriskie fan...and I made sure that I pointed
    each one out to him yesterday. Yes, I was really appreciating the fans, they
    really helped me get through on a day like that.

    But then Boonen comes up with this line. He says, "See those cows over
    there? That's what happens when cyclist's die. They turn into cows."
    =====================

    I dunno. Look at the manure in rec.bikes.* and you'd think they've
    already turned into cows.

  3. Ron Wallenfang said:

    On Dec 31 2007, 11:03 am, donquijote1954 <[email hidden]>
    wrote:

    "you know what Christian Republicans prefer to drive..."

    TREK 520s


    That is hardly the norm for Washington County.

    --
    Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
    POST FREE OR DIE!

  4. Ron Wallenfang said:

    On Jan 1, 1:44 pm, Tom Sherman <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:
    Ron Wallenfang said:

    On Dec 31 2007, 11:03 am, donquijote1954 <[email hidden]>
    wrote:
    "you know what Christian Republicans prefer to drive..."
    TREK 520s


    That is hardly the norm for Washington County.

    --
    Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
    POST FREE OR DIE!

    1. Agreed. I stated my preference as an attack on the stereotype
    that Republicans are gas-guzzlers and Democrats are not.

    I saw a BMW X5 SUV with an "Impeach Bush" sticker on southbound I-43,
    but it may have been driven by a libertarian.

    Quoted message said:

    2. There's not enough serious year-round bicycle riders in WI to be
    characteristic of any group, other than of bike riders themselves.
    Months like December just past are brutal enough to insure that there
    will never be more than a %age handful of year round bike commuters.

    The only place I see a lot of commuters is downtown. There are mostly
    club, racer in training and exercise cyclists in places like Fox Point,
    River Hills, The Falls and Mequon. A few brave (considering how people
    drive) cyclists are seen in the 'hood.

    Quoted message said:

    3. You could name and characterize my home County but I sure can't
    name yours. Where is Holstein -Friesland Bovinia? In WI, there is a
    New Holstein but no Holstein that I'm aware of. There's a Friesland
    in Columbia county, maybe 100 or so miles from New Holstein. I'm
    aware of no Bovinia at all. I can't make heads or tails of the name
    you gave.

    The "Holstein-Friesland Bovinia" is a joke based on the rural scenery in
    the southern part of the state being predominated by pastures with black
    and white dairy cows. I currently live in the Milwaukee area, but have
    also lived in Madison and the SW "driftless area".

    --
    Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
    POST FREE OR DIE!

  5. Tom Sherman said:

    I saw a BMW X5 SUV with an "Impeach Bush" sticker on southbound I-43,
    but it may have been driven by a libertarian.

    Or merely a fiscal conservative - look at the deficit and the value of
    the dollar compared to other currencies. Under Bush, the U.S. has gone
    down the tubes.

    --
    My real name backwards: nemuaZ lliB

  6. donquijote1954 schrieb:

    Quoted message said:
    OldMan said:

    On Dec 31, 9:00 am, donquijote1954 <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Maybe it's because you live in a blue state, but I live in a red
    state, and you know what Christian Republicans prefer to drive...


    I do live in a blue state but am a Christian Republican myself. And
    if I have to drive, I prefer my 16 year old Dakota pickup that gets 23
    MPG.

    The blue state predominates over your party affiliation and driving
    choices. It's like having Republicans in Key West (a blue town), where
    biking still is practiced.

    Someone in a German cycling newsgroup recently asked whether cycling is
    allowed on the Overseas Highway. Is it?

  7. donquijote1954 schrieb:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Someone in a German cycling newsgroup recently asked whether cycling is
    allowed on the Overseas Highway. Is it?

    No such thing as Overseas Highway that I know of,

    Hmm?

    I am talking of Route 1.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overseas_Highway

    "The Overseas Highway is a 127.5-mile (205.2 km) long road carrying U.S.
    Route 1 through the Florida Keys. "

    Quoted message said:

    but the road to Key
    West is hardly rideable, since the bikepath is broken at many points.

    So what?

    You don't need a "bike path" to cycle.

    I asked whether there are any legal traffic restrictions for bicycles.

    Quoted message said:

    From Homestead to Key Largo is deadly with no bikepath whatsover.

    Ah yes, the story with the incompetent American drivers again ...

    Quoted message said:

    It's
    a pity because the scenery is real pretty.

    So it should be a nice trip for a bike marathon - if you are
    well-trained, you can make it in two days (one there and one back again).

  8. donquijote1954 schrieb:

    Quoted message said:
    Father Haskell said:
    Quoted message said:

    But the way things stand now, you are on your own before a monster
    with many heads. In other words, nobody cares about cyclists.

    Quoted message said:

    Never gotten that impression. The GREAT majority of drivers
    might show impatience, but none want to see a cyclist
    harmed (or killed) just for slowing down traffic for five seconds.

    That statement amounts to "most drivers don't drive drunk," and then
    getting consolation from it.

    Well, I suppose in the US you _will_ go to jail for killing someone by
    driving drunk.

    In Bavaria, you get parole and can get Minister of Transportation
    afterwards ...

    Quoted message said:


    Well, it only takes one reckless driver with a wide track SUV to wipe
    you out. And, as proven by "Myth Busters," talking on the phone is
    worst than driving drunk.

    That's why it is forbidden in most countries ...

  9. In article <[email hidden]>, usenet-11-2007
    @tessarakt.de says...

    Quoted message said:

    donquijote1954 schrieb:

    Quoted message said:
    Father Haskell said:

    > But the way things stand now, you are on your own before a monster
    > with many heads. In other words, nobody cares about cyclists.

    Quoted message said:

    Never gotten that impression. The GREAT majority of drivers
    might show impatience, but none want to see a cyclist
    harmed (or killed) just for slowing down traffic for five seconds.

    That statement amounts to "most drivers don't drive drunk," and then
    getting consolation from it.

    Well, I suppose in the US you _will_ go to jail for killing someone by
    driving drunk.

    In Bavaria, you get parole and can get Minister of Transportation
    afterwards ...

    In the US, you become a Senator afterwards...

    --
    Remove the ns_ from if replying by e-mail (but keep posts in the
    newsgroups if possible).

  10. donquijote1954 schrieb:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    but the road to Key
    West is hardly rideable, since the bikepath is broken at many points.


    So what?

    You don't need a "bike path" to cycle.

    OK, here it goes, now you can a "virtual bicycle ride"...

    (Notice there's a bike path in the beginning, then it disappears.
    Notice also there are many SUVs and no bikes.)

    55 mph speed limit in urban areas? That's insane!

    Apart from that, I've driven on roads with separated carriageways and
    2-3 lanes per direction and a speed limit of 100 km/h (or is it even 130
    km/h? I'd have to look ...) before, no problem ...

    Well, the inner-city S.S. in Trento, Italy with a speed limit of 70
    km/h, heavy truck traffic and an interrupted side lane was a bit
    annonying, but I would not call it dangerous.

    Btw, the road _does_ look nice!

  11. Jens Müller said:

    donquijote1954 schrieb:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Someone in a German cycling newsgroup recently asked whether cycling is
    allowed on the Overseas Highway. Is it?

    No such thing as Overseas Highway that I know of,

    Hmm?

    I am talking of Route 1.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overseas_Highway

    "The Overseas Highway is a 127.5-mile (205.2 km) long road carrying U.S.
    Route 1 through the Florida Keys. "

    Quoted message said:

    but the road to Key
    West is hardly rideable, since the bikepath is broken at many points.

    So what?

    You don't need a "bike path" to cycle.

    I asked whether there are any legal traffic restrictions for bicycles.

    Quoted message said:

    From Homestead to Key Largo is deadly with no bikepath whatsover.

    Ah yes, the story with the incompetent American drivers again ...

    Quoted message said:

    It's
    a pity because the scenery is real pretty.

    So it should be a nice trip for a bike marathon - if you are
    well-trained, you can make it in two days (one there and one back again).

    I have Adventure Cycling maps of their east coast Bar Harbor, ME
    to Key West, FL route. It certainly included Rt 1 across the Keys!

    Maybe that's no longer the case, but I had a friend go there a
    couple years ago and he saw quite a few bicyclists riding the route.

    There are rude motorists all over the world. I don't know that
    Rt 1 over the Keys has any special high concentration of them
    though.

    SMH

  12. David Kerber said:

    In article <[email hidden]>, usenet-11-2007
    @tessarakt.de says...

    Quoted message said:

    donquijote1954 schrieb:

    Quoted message said:

    On Jan 1, 8:25 pm, Father Haskell <[email hidden]> wrote:

    >>But the way things stand now, you are on your own before a monster
    >>with many heads. In other words, nobody cares about cyclists.

    >Never gotten that impression. The GREAT majority of drivers
    >might show impatience, but none want to see a cyclist
    >harmed (or killed) just for slowing down traffic for five seconds.

    That statement amounts to "most drivers don't drive drunk," and then
    getting consolation from it.

    Well, I suppose in the US you _will_ go to jail for killing someone by
    driving drunk.

    In Bavaria, you get parole and can get Minister of Transportation
    afterwards ...

    In the US, you become a Senator afterwards...

    He was already a Senator.

    SMH

  13. donquijote1954 schrieb:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Btw, the road _does_ look nice!

    The road is nice, but geared toward vehicles, and drivers are not
    looking for bikes.

    Bikes _are_ vehicles in most jurisdictions.

    (I couldn't find the Florida Highway Code or however it is called.)

  14. Jens Müller said:

    donquijote1954 schrieb:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Btw, the road _does_ look nice!

    The road is nice, but geared toward vehicles, and drivers are not
    looking for bikes.

    Bikes _are_ vehicles in most jurisdictions.

    (I couldn't find the Florida Highway Code or however it is called.)

    Bikes aren't vehicles in Calfornia and many other states. In
    California, bicyclists have all the rights and responsibilities
    as the operator of a vehicle when a bicycle is operated on a
    roadway.

    This sounds like quibbling, but there are rules in the vehicle
    code that apply when a vehicle is not being driven on a highway,
    and some of those may not be appropriate for bicycles. So,
    either you make bicycles vehicles and put in a lot of exceptions
    or you do not make bicycles vehicles but give bicyclists all the
    rights and responsibilities that the driver of a vehicle has.
    Either way, the outcome is more or less the same. It's just a
    question of what approach is easier (given, for example, previously
    laws).

    --
    My real name backwards: nemuaZ lliB


  15. Quoted message said:

    On Jan 2, 5:14 am, Jens Müller <[email hidden]> wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Someone in a German cycling newsgroup recently asked whether cycling is
    allowed on the Overseas Highway. Is it?



    Here is the Philadelphia to Savannah portion of my 2005 trip report:

    Bike Trip Report
    Philadelphia-Savannah-Milwaukee
    April 22, 2005 through May 7, 2005

    April 22, 2005

    This is the middle leg of a three year plan to bicycle the entire
    east
    coast. Last year, I went from Philadelphia north to Ste. Anne de
    Beaupre,
    Quebec, and back, re-entering the US at Matanuska, ME, which is as
    close to
    the top of the eastern US as I could conveniently get, and returning
    via
    Boston and NYC. This year, I'll cover the stretch from Philadelphia
    to
    Savannah. Then next year (2006), I hope to go from Key West to
    Savannah,
    and from there back to Milwaukee via a more southerly and westerly
    route
    than this year.

    Anyway, I took YX Flight 156 from Milwaukee to Philadelphia on Friday
    afternoon, the 22nd. I had to check my saddlebag as baggage because I
    have
    a Swiss army knife along, that wouldn't be allowed on the plane. I
    arrived
    more or less on time at my son Matt's apartment in Center City
    Philadelphia
    around 8:30 p.m. He had picked up and tested my bike, which I had
    sent
    ahead of time via UPS to a Philadelphia bike shop. After visiting
    and
    dinner, I went to bed around 11:00 pm.

    April 23, 2005 (Day 1)(Saturday)

    Left at 5:40 a.m. (sunrise was at 6:00 a.m.) and rode 5 hours (79
    miles)
    before I took a food/beverage stop near Bel Air, Maryland. The
    starting
    temperature was 49 degrees, rising soon to about 60 degrees. The wind
    was
    from the south, but rather light. With intermittent light rain, I got
    wet.

    Route: Miscellaneous Philadelphia streets to 291 by the Airport, then
    continued on 291 to Chester, which took me to 13 into Wilmington, then
    2 to
    Newark, Del., then 273 to US 1.

    Roads are safe so far, with not too many hills until I reached
    Maryland.

    I rode in Pennsylvania for 22 miles and Delaware for 23 miles.
    Delaware is
    the 43rd state in which I have biked.

    The spring trees and flowers are in full bloom! Some examples are:
    flowering crabs, red bud, pink and white dogwoods, and forsythia
    bushes.

    After lunch in Bel Air, I rode through Baltimore, mostly on US 1,
    except
    when I lost the route, and continued toward Washington on US #1,
    making a
    short stop for beverages 10 miles past central Baltimore. I was
    confident I'd
    get to Washington in time for the 5:30 Mass at the Shrine, but near
    Laurel
    (mile 124), I got a rear flat from a sharp 1" long nail that
    penetrated
    right through the Kevlar liner and thick tube.

    Fixing it was a chore. My LBS had recently put on a new rim, which
    was a
    deep "V" and the stem barely fit through it. After several
    unsuccessful
    efforts, and lost CO2 cartridges, I got it partially filled.

    Fortunately, I found a bike shop in Laurel (3 miles ahead) that was
    open and
    their repairman filled the tire properly. He said I should use a
    long
    stemmed tube with that rim, but they only stocked it for a narrow
    tire. I
    bought one and also bought some replacement CO2 cartridges.

    Just as I left the shop (about 5:30 p.m.), a thunderstorm broke out,
    so I
    took cover in a nearby fast food place, where this note was written.
    My
    plans were to stay tonight with my daughter Margaret, in Washington,
    whom I
    called and left a status report.

    I did eventually make it at 7:30 p.m. to her trailer/apartment at
    Catholic
    University of America, from which she is to graduate next month.

    With mud from 3 states on me, thanks to the rain, Margaret washed my
    clothes, which were far beyond benefiting much from a short rinse job
    in the
    sink (my usual daily practice on these trips). She also went on the
    internet and helped me locate a couple alternative on-route churches
    and
    Mass times for tomorrow morning.

    We had Chinese food for dinner and some wine. After dinner, Margaret
    went
    out with friends, and I went to bed.

    Mileage for the day was 143. (22 miles in PA; 23 miles in Delaware;
    97
    miles in MD; 1 mile in DC)

    The temperature peaked at around 70 degrees. There was a net head
    wind
    (from the south).

    April 24, 2005 (Day 2)(Sunday)

    I left at 5:40 a.m. and rode through the D.C. mall in the a.m.
    twilight,
    crossing into Virginia after 9 miles. I caught a 7:00 a.m. Mass in
    Alexandria, as planned, and then rode to Fredericksburg, stopping at
    11:30
    a.m., with 62 miles. It's been rather cold (40's) so I've had my
    heavy
    shirt on all morning. The wind was out of the south, despite the
    cold, so
    it's another headwind. And the hills are constant, with no level
    ground
    since Alexandria. There were no high hills, but little hills one
    after
    another, so my speed has not been very good.

    After lunching in Fredericksburg, I stayed on US 1 another 32 miles
    to
    Doswell, where my brother and I had stayed four nights during a tour
    of
    Civil War battlefields in 2003. Riding through that area brought
    back
    bittersweet memories about my brother, who had terminal cancer and
    died
    later that year.

    At Doswell, I turned east on Route 30 and continued to West Point and
    later
    to Williamsburg on Route 60. With a bit of a tail wind and fairly
    flat
    roads, the riding went well, but . . . . . . . . .the rear gear
    started
    jumping, especially when I stood up to pump, which I do a bit on flat
    roads,
    because it helps my rear end, if I lift it out of the saddle every now
    and
    then.

    The problem got worse, and I could see that the sprocket was
    wobbling,
    especially in the top gear, and also when I put substantial pressure
    on the
    right pedal. More or less limping into Williamsburg (can you limp on
    a
    bicycle?), I flagged down a local biker, who gave me directions to a
    shop in
    town. I would have never found that shop on my own. Anyway, I
    located the
    shop and then had to ride back to Highway 60 (3-4 miles) to find a
    motel.

    At dinner, I guzzled down a pitcher of water, a bottle of wine and 2
    cups of
    coffee. I was obviously a bit dehydrated.

    Mileage for the day was 168.
    Mileage for the trip was 311.
    (PA: 22; MD 97: VA 159; DEL 23; DC 10)
    Temperatures were in the 40's and 50's. I wore my heavy shirt all
    day. The
    winds were mostly out of the SW, moderate to light, and netted out to
    be
    about neutral for me.

    April 25, 2005 (Day 3)(Monday)

    I rode locally in Williamsburg, and attended a weekday Mass. I had
    ridden 20
    miles by 10:00 a.m., and was at the bike shop (Bike Beat) when it
    opened.
    The news was bad; my frame is cracked at a weld above the bottom
    bracket,
    and is un-repairable. TREK couldn't get a new frame here until
    Friday, but
    the dealer had another shop in Newport News with a TREK 520 bike in
    stock
    with that frame size. With luck, I'll be back on the road tomorrow.
    The
    frame itself is warranted. I'll have to pay the labor and deal with
    TREK
    later.

    Robert Maye at the shop "went the extra mile" to get me a replacement
    bike
    for the day, as they have neither rentals, nor used bikes. But he put
    one
    together for me.

    There are certainly worse places to be laid up for a day than
    Williamsburg.
    I looked around the "Colonial" area, took a nap in a nearby park, and
    biked
    over to Yorktown.

    Temperatures rose from around 40 to the mid 60s. It was sunny and
    rather
    windy.

    Mileage for the day was 60, with 21 on my 520; and 39 miles with the
    borrowed bike.

    April 26, 2005 (Day 4)(Tuesday)

    I got up and had a big breakfast, then went to a 9:00 Mass, checked
    out of
    the motel and was at the bike shop before 10:30 a.m. Robert was hard
    at work
    transferring all my parts to the new frame, which in turn had to be
    stripped
    of its parts.

    I biked to Jamestown and back into Williamsburg, had lunch and read a
    book
    until the bike was done. I can't emphasize too much the good service
    I
    received. So I was able to leave Williamsburg by 2:00 p.m. and catch
    the
    2:30 pm. ferry across the James River at Jamestown.

    Temperatures were between 50 and 65 degrees, eventually rising to 69
    degrees. There were some sprinkles, but no substantial rain.

    I stopped for the day at Suffolk, because of doubts about motel
    availability
    ahead. In fact, I actually backtracked 3 miles back into downtown
    Suffolk,
    when I found out there were no motels to the south. So I had quit
    before
    7:00 p.m.

    The terrain was mostly flat to low hills, with mixed woods and farms
    with
    sandy soil.

    Mileage for the day was 77, which were all in VA (52 miles with new
    bike and
    25 miles with the borrowed bike). The routes that I took were 31;
    then 10;
    then 13.

    April 27, 2005 (Day 5)(Wednesday)

    I left at 5:40 a.m. and rode 77 miles to Williamston, NC; arriving
    there at
    11:05 a.m. Roads were flat, with no hills. Shoulders were narrow,
    but
    traffic was light enough for it to be no great problem. There was a
    light
    to moderate head wind. The temperature was in the 60s. There were
    thunderstorms last night, but no rain yet today. I put on sunscreen
    here,
    first time on the trip. I hit the NC line at 7:00 a.m. after 18
    miles. My
    route continued on 13 to 17, and then 17. After a 35 minute break in
    Williamston, I rode another 56 miles to New Bern, arriving at 3:40 for
    a
    snack and beverages (much needed). Temperatures were now in the 70s,
    with a
    moderate head wind.

    The roads were fair; some stretches had a few feet of paved shoulder,
    some
    not. There were lots of lumber trucks on the road. I deviated from
    17
    because of heavier traffic than I liked and took Route 43 in Ernul and
    the
    last 11 miles into New Bern, then returned to 17, going to
    Jacksonville, NC.
    After a trip to the grocery store, I stopped for the day in
    Jacksonville NC
    with 172 miles for the day.

    Temperatures were in the low 70s most of the afternoon and early
    evening.
    There were no hills all day. More headwinds than not.

    Land uses were mixed, with farms and piney woods, some of it swampy.
    The
    farms included a few cotton fields. Soil was mostly brown clay. Lots
    of
    azaleas were in full color in the yards. Little color in the woods,
    unlike
    VA, which had lots of dogwood and some past peak red-bud.

    Mileage for trip so far is 620.
    (PA 22; DC 10; DEL 23; VA 314; MD 97; NC 154)

    This is my first time to bike in NC, making it my 44th state.

    April 28, 2005 (Day 6)(Thursday)

    I started out at 5:45 a.m. and rode 56 miles, stopping 2 miles past
    the
    Wilmington Bridge at 10:00 a.m. Temperatures started in upper 40's,
    making
    me wear my heavy shirt for the first 25 miles. Winds were light NW; a
    cross
    wind; as I'm now headed SW.

    Route 17 was pretty good and when some construction is done, will be
    very
    good for bike riding, until the last 10 miles into Wilmington, which
    is very
    commercial with lots of lights, turns, etc.

    The land was not quite as flat as yesterday, but still no hills to
    speak of.
    For 25 miles from Jacksonville, the Marine's Camp Lejeune dominates
    the
    countryside. (Maybe that military connection explains why the
    continental
    breakfast at the hotel started at 5:00 a.m.). I reached the SC line
    a
    little before 2:00 p.m. with 102 miles in NC, for a total of 256. By
    the
    day's end (around 7:30 p.m.), I had made it into Georgetown, with 160
    miles
    for the day.

    It was the second straight day with no hills, but with net headwinds.
    Traffic was heavy through Myrtle Beach and North Myrtle Beach;
    otherwise it
    was okay. I didn't see any alternative routes to avoid that traffic.
    From
    Myrtle Beach onward, there are palmetto trees, the first that I've
    seen on
    the road-side, though there were some for sale in NC.

    Temperatures remained in the low 70s.

    Three people commented on my "squirrel" tee-shirt (picturing and
    naming the
    10 "most wanted" squirrels for stealing bird seed). Evidently,
    squirrels
    are real pests in SC just like in WI.

    Mileage for the trip has reached 780

    Friday, April 29-Day 7

    I was ready to leave before 6:00 a.m., only to discover that my front
    tire
    had gone flat during the night because of stem failure. So I ended
    up
    leaving at 6:25 a.m. I had 24 miles of good riding before my daily
    headwind
    appeared and it became quite brisk. This was the third straight day
    of flat
    roads, but with a head wind.

    My 60 mile ride into Charleston became more than 70 miles, because I
    detoured onto Sullivan Island to see the place the family is renting
    for a
    week in June. I had my most horrifying bridge crossing experience
    ever
    going over the Cooper River into Charleston - two big rises and a
    roadway
    with two traffic lanes and no extra width. Thus I blocked one of the
    lanes
    for all but the smallest cars. This irritated a lot of people, and I
    feel
    badly about it, but there was no alternative I could see. A police
    officer
    who talked to me on the other side said that the "other bridge" has a
    bike
    lane, but with extensive construction going on, that fact wasn't
    marked by
    any signs. Future bike riders into Charleston will not have this
    problem. A
    new Hwy 17 bridge was to open in July with a full bike/pedestrian
    lane. But
    it's definitely "high rise" and not for a rider afraid of heights.

    After a 45 minute break in Charleston, I headed out on 17 again, which
    goes
    more west than south for the next 50 miles, making my head wind more
    of a
    crosswind. My speed also improved. In places the riding was really
    glorious, as moss covered trees almost overhung the highway, and the
    temperature was pleasant, etc. You live for biking moments like
    these!

    I ended the day riding south again for 14 miles to Beaufort, again
    taking on
    the wind.

    Miles for the day were 142.
    Miles for the trip have reached 922
    Temperatures were in the 60s and 70s with a net head wind.

    April 30, 2005-Day 8 (Saturday)

    I left at 6:00 a.m., with temperatures around 65. The sky is clear,
    but
    big thunderstorms now in MS and AL are heading this way. I reached
    the GA
    border via route 170 at 8:50 a.m. after 36 miles in SC (total SC
    mileage
    236), and rode miscellaneous streets around the Savannah Airport until
    I hit
    US 80 West, and rode on another 43 miles before stopping at noon in
    Brooklet. There I had some fried chicken and black-eye peas, which I
    didn't
    recognize, nor believe I have ever eaten before. They were good and I
    am
    now one smidgeon less ignorant about southern food. I told them
    (truthfully) that they were the best black-eyed peas I had ever had.

  16. Jens Müller said:


    Someone in a German cycling newsgroup recently asked whether cycling is
    allowed on the Overseas Highway. Is it?

    Here is the relevant "east coast part of my 2004 report, this one
    covering the area from the top of Maine to Philadelphia:

    Saturday, May 29, 2004 - Day 8

    Following the early stop yesterday, I got an early start this
    morning
    at 5:00 a.m.

    The rain has exited, and been replaced by mostly cloudy skies -
    it's
    also colder, low 40s maybe and hasn't warmed by noon. I've had my
    heavy
    shirt on all morning and considered switching to my full-fingered
    gloves,
    though I never did.

    I rode 46 miles to Rivière du Loup to Route 185 only to find it
    closed
    to bikes. The bike path was near it but didn't look attractive. The
    stone
    was insufficiently packed. There was a gas station nearby where I had
    some
    pastry and beverages. Then I started down the path, not liking it at
    all.
    But about a mile later, I realized 185 was no longer an expressway so
    I
    moved over to it and have been on it ever since,

    I stopped at a Mike's restaurant in Cabano with 81 miles for the
    day,
    which is where this note is written.

    Most of the way from La Pocatière to Rivière du Loup was fairly
    flat
    farm country. That changed toward the end to hills, which have also
    dominated the route east of Rivière du Loup - and trees - with few
    farms.

    I reached Edmunston about 3:30 EDT - 4:30 locally, since New
    Brunswick
    is on Atlantic time - and looked into the Mass situation. The two
    Churches
    I went by had late Saturday Masses - 7:00 and 7:15 -so I crossed to
    Madawaska, Maine just in time for a 4:00 Mass, after which I rode 25
    miles
    to Van Buren, and found no motel. But there is one across the river
    in St.
    Leonard, New Brunswick, which is where I am tonight. It wouldn't have
    been
    out of the question to go another 22 miles to Caribou as it wasn't
    7:00 yet,
    but I hadn't eaten since the earlier note, it had never warmed up
    (high
    around 47°) and it was threatening rain.

    Quebec was as stereotyped as Vermont had been or more so. The
    street
    and town names were usually after Saints (or Notre Dame), and each
    small
    town was dominated architecturally by a large Catholic Church. Old
    Quebec
    was as truly Catholic or more so than Poland or Ireland. But the
    faith in
    the current generation isn't what it used to be.

    The Church in Madawaska still has a French Mass on Sunday.
    French
    ethnic Catholics apparently dominate in the far north of Maine.

    Mileage for day - 148
    Quebec - 107 (515), New Brunswick - 14, Maine - 27.
    Mileage for trip - 1126

    Sunday, May 30, 2004 - Day 9

    Left the motel at 4:50 a.m. and biked 76 miles on Route 1 to
    Houlton,
    which I reached at 10:40. Lots of hills, still cold (40s) but a tail
    wind
    helps. Lots of hills. Land is mixed farms and woodlands.

    At Houlton, I switched to Route 2 - I abandoned Route 1(the
    ocean
    route) because of the likely holiday traffic. The change also reduces
    mileage - good or bad? Route 2 proved 13 miles (not 3 as I thought)
    longer
    than 2A (an available alternative that I perhaps should have taken),
    and is
    very hilly, and in poor condition in many places. Around Island Falls
    and
    for several miles each way, road quality is poor, there are no cuts
    and
    fills and this U.S. highway is generally like an old town road. At
    least
    traffic is light. The last 20 miles before Macwahoc the road
    improves.
    Then from Mattacumkeug on it's an excellent road - wide paved
    shoulders and
    quite flat, as it's in the Penobscot River Valley. I intended to stop
    at
    Howland, but there were no motels, so I continued on to Milford, where
    I
    found a motel at about 9:30 p.m., after riding the last 8 or so miles
    after
    dark. When local pizza places didn't deliver this late, the
    proprietor
    personally went and picked it up for me. A gold star for him!

    Mileage for day - 191
    All Maine, except less than 1 mile in New Brunswick.
    Total for trip - 1317.

    Monday, May 31, 2004 - Day 10

    Left at 6:45 a.m. and rode 54 miles to Albion, which I reached
    about
    11:45. I got some oranges, grapes and beverages and ate them under
    the
    trees in a Church yard across the street. I had taken Route 2 to
    Bangor,
    then picked up 202 outside of town, which I've taken on to Augusta,
    where
    I've stopped for some ice cream at about 1:45 -Mile 78.

    There was a lot of climbing coming out of Bangor to clear a
    ridge
    line, then more modest but fairly continuous ups and downs until near
    Augusta, where there was another series of big climbs to clear another
    ridge
    line. It's mostly sunny today, starting in the upper 40s - now near
    70°.
    I'm putting on sun screen.

    The countryside is mixed farms and trees with homes along the
    route
    for a good many miles past the towns.

    The hills are mostly rocky. A few have pastures, but it's
    mostly
    wooded.

    The hills continued all day, which did my mileage no good, plus
    the
    temperatures cooled and a bit of a headwind came up.

    Mid-afternoon, I passed 10 right-to-life advocates, who had just
    began
    a walk to Washington DC; I walked along with them for a while and
    joined
    them in part of a rosary.

    I passed through Lewiston and reached the 202/I-95 Intersection
    near
    6:00 p.m. I couldn't satisfy myself there were more motels in range
    on 202
    (in fact, the next day I did not see any), so I decided to stay at a
    motel
    there, despite giving up a nice sunny day. (It's due to rain
    tomorrow.)

    The motel is nice, plus it has a laundry room so I got
    everything
    clean.

    Mileage for day - 119, all in Maine.
    Mileage for trip - 1436.

    Tuesday, June 1, 2004 - Day 11

    Left at 4:45 and rode 108 miles before taking a rest stop at
    Haverhill, Massachusetts, around 1:45 p.m.. Then I struggled through
    Boston
    until stopping at 8:00 at the intersection of Route 1 and 95 (128) in
    the
    Southwest suburbs of Boston.

    After starting out dry, I rode through 40 miles of rain in
    Maine; then
    dry, which except for my feet, allowed me to dry out.

    Temperatures started out at 42° and peaked at around 52° - June
    anyone? I wore my raincoat all day for the warmth. Because of
    threatening
    rain, I kept my heavy shirt in a plastic bag, and wore my raincoat
    instead.

    I stayed on Route 202 in Maine. It was mostly O.K. - fewer
    hills than
    earlier. There were a few scattered sections with no paved shoulder
    area,
    but not bad. The only flat riding was the last half dozen miles
    before New
    Hampshire.

    In New Hampshire I rode Route 125, which was a delightful road -
    fully
    paved wide shoulders except for the final few miles before
    Massachusetts.
    Quite a few little rises and dips plus some modest hills but nothing
    major.

    Coming into Boston, Routes 125 and 28 both had some decent
    areas, but
    for the most part, cities are cities, with lots of traffic, stop and
    go
    lights, and pock-marked roads. Once in town, I swung past Harvard,
    handling
    the route clumsily for one who biked thousands of miles around there,
    albeit
    35 years ago.

    After some equally clumsy maneuvering through the Brookline
    area, I
    picked up VFW Parkway, which later became Route 1.

    Mileage for day - 156
    Massachusetts 64, New Hampshire 41, Maine 51.
    Mileage for trip - 1592.

    Wednesday, June 2, 2004 - Day 12

    I slept in this morning - indeed last night, I fell asleep
    before
    updating my logbook or showering, so I was obviously ready for some
    extra
    sleep.

    Departure time was 7:30; I took a rest stop in Providence close
    to
    noon with 42 miles - the first 25 in Massachusetts.

    I had mapped out a Rube Goldberg scheme of a route through
    Connecticut
    but decided to simplify things and stick to U.S. 1, so I wouldn't get
    lost.

    Naturally, I promptly got lost trying to use U.S. #1. Near the
    MA/RI
    border was a sign that said "1A" to Providence and "1" to
    Pawtucket. I
    stayed on "1" and it ended in Pawtucket, just ended - not even a sign
    saying
    so. Information was hard to come by, but I drifted east toward the
    direction IA had veered from 1 and eventually got directions to 1A.

    In East Providence, the signs for 1A just quit, too, but I was
    able to
    cross the needed bridge on 44. Across the bridge I saw a single sign
    for US
    1 and immediately lost track of it. So I took 44 west and decided to
    resurrect my complex plan for Connecticut. I thought I could save
    mileage
    by switching from 44 to 6, but used 5 to do so, which veered back
    toward
    town and added miles and a big hill.

    As this is written, it's almost 4:00 and I have only 70 miles.
    I'm
    sitting out a thunderstorm at a KFC in Danielson/E. Brooklyn,
    Connecticut.
    The morning began as yesterday ended, misty and cool with temperatures
    around 50°. But it warmed up nicely and was mostly sunny reaching the
    mid-70s. The current shower looks like it will pass.

    The terrain is hilly, like most of the trip. Route 1 in
    Massachusetts - after the VFW Parkway ended - was safe, but not scenic
    (consistent businesses along the route, few of which were landscaped).
    Western Rhode Island and the first few miles of Connecticut have been
    mainly
    wooded.

    After the rain passed, I rode another 25 or so miles to Norwich
    (just
    missing the brunt of a second storm). In Norwich, a third
    thunderstorm
    started that lasted well over an hour. After 5 days getting wet
    earlier in
    the trip, I played wimp today and took shelter at a gas station. It
    soon
    became apparent there wouldn't be enough daylight after the rain
    passed to
    do anything much and still find a motel, so I stayed at a Ramada about
    1 ½
    miles away. With some other local riding I got 101 miles for the day.

    In Connecticut: Route 6 to 169 to 2A to 82 - 169 was scenic if
    hilly.
    A lot of "old new England" looking farms but more trees, which in
    places
    formed a canopy over the road.

    Miles for day - 101; Massachusetts - 25; Rhode Island - 40,
    Connecticut - 36.
    Miles for trip - 1,693

    Thursday, June 3, 2004 - Day 13

    Left the motel at 5:30 a.m. Early weather was cool and cloudy -
    low
    to mid 50s. No rain, though. The skies cleared late morning and
    temperatures rose to the upper 70s.

    At 18+ miles there was a ferry crossing - over the Connecticut
    River -
    state operated - $1.00 for bikes.

    Early riding was mainly west on 82, 148 and 80, with a few miles
    south
    on 81 sandwiched in. As elsewhere, the hills are much worse going
    east and
    west. The New England rivers flow south, which help explain which way
    the
    hills run.

    At mile 44 I hit East Haven and was in urban riding the rest of
    the
    day.

    I picked up US 1 in New Haven, after a little looking - the
    route 103
    connector on the map wasn't there. I stayed on 1 to the New York
    line,
    taking a break in Milford (mile 59) (the third "Milford" I've
    encountered
    after Milford, Pennsylvania and Milford, Maine) for eating some trail
    mix
    and also taking a short nap.

    I reached the New York line about 4:00 at mile 100, and got lost
    in
    Westchester, logging about 7 extra miles. I left US 1 in New
    Rochelle,
    moving east to Pelham Road.

    The Bronx proved easy to cross - first going south within a long
    park,
    then west along an e/w parkway with many walkers, joggers and kids
    playing
    in the greenway. Then past the Zoo and gardens, and then a trip along
    Fordham Avenue, which was just teeming with life, rowdy and noisy but
    safe
    enough. It was fun to "ride" through, though slowly, because traffic
    laws
    meant little here and nobody could move very rapidly.

    Only about 9 miles through the Bronx, including a little extra
    time to
    find the bridge to Manhattan (I shouldn't have left Fordham Street).
    Then
    in Manhattan I found the George Washington bridge (which was easier to
    find
    than the bike route across it) and got across and had barely light
    enough to
    find a motel in Fort Lee. It's a Best Western.

    Mileage for day - 135; Connecticut - 100; New York - 32; New
    Jersey -
    3.
    Mileage for trip - 1828.

    Friday, June 4, 2004 - Day 14

    Left the motel at 5:40 and with slight difficulty got on route
    46,
    which I took all the way to Hackettstown, some 55 miles away. New
    York
    traffic played a role most of that way, including some uncomfortable
    merge
    and turn situations - one where 2 lanes merge in from the right, and 2
    others where I was supposed to be in the left lane of a multi-lane
    road with
    heavy traffic. I learned the safest course is to get off the bike and
    wait
    for a break in the traffic.

    I stopped for breakfast after 25 miles and then for 3 oranges
    and a
    chocolate milk in Hackettstown. I also took about a ½ hour break for
    a
    snack in Doylestown, Pennsylvania, just 25-30 miles from the end.

    Temperature today was 60° to 70°, and sunny until late.

    The westerly route in new Jersey (46 , then 57) like almost all
    the
    others in that direction had a lots of big hills. In Pennsylvania I
    took
    611 again, except stayed on it this time all the way into
    Philadelphia.

    Coming into Philadelphia was difficult outside the City - too
    much of
    the road was too narrow for me to fit comfortably in traffic. The
    last 8
    miles or so were good, though, as City riding goes. No more uphills,
    the
    street was wide, not too much traffic and the lights were usually
    green for
    Broad Street traffic. The last few blocks in Center City are slow but
    that's because of the pulse of life on narrow streets. Within limits,
    it's
    fine.

    I arrived at Matt's apartment in Philadelphia about 6:45 p.m.

    Mileage for day - 136; New Jersey - 80; Pennsylvania - (56).

    Mileage for trip - 1964 (140.3 - daily average)

    Mileage by State (Province):

    Quebec 515
    Maine 401
    Connecticut 202
    Vermont 191
    Pennsylvania 191
    New York 157
    Massachusetts 126
    New Hampshire 41
    Rhode Island 40
    New Brunswick 14

    Afterword

    1. The only "easy" trip I could recommend in this area
    is the
    185 mile stretch from Montreal through Quebec to St. Anne to Beaupré.
    It's
    mostly flat, scenic, with good roads and not much traffic.

    2. I intend to ride eventually from the top of Maine to
    Key
    West, Florida, as I've previously bicycled from the bottom of Texas to
    the
    top of Minnesota. The area south of Philadelphia remains to be
    accomplished. Between the hills and the cities, the north-east is a
    slower,
    tougher ride than anything on my central US trip.

    3. Extensive urban riding, especially in the endless
    suburbs,
    is not a pleasant experience. The constant need to be alert and to
    make
    minor decisions, and the endless stop and go lights are difficult both
    physically and mentally. A day's worth of it is downright exhausting.
    Needless to say, the many traffic stops cut speed, and increased work
    relative to mileage covered. It also caused me to ride quite a bit
    without
    "locking in" my left foot to the pedal, as I am only good for a
    limited
    number of the "twists" needed to unlock before my foot gets sore. I'm
    happy
    to be able to say that I biked across the entire NYC metro area, but
    in no
    hurry to try it again.

    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

  17. David Kerber said:

    In article <[email hidden]>, usenet-11-2007
    @tessarakt.de says...

    Quoted message said:

    ...
    In Bavaria, you get parole and can get Minister of Transportation
    afterwards ...

    In the US, you become a Senator afterwards...


    The current "First Lady" (of the US) would be the perfect person to head
    a traffic safety campaign, especially addressing those who run stop
    signs: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Dutton_Douglas>.

    --
    Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
    POST FREE OR DIE!

  18. "Jens Müller" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    55 mph speed limit in urban areas? That's insane!

    Yes, the speed limit is usually 65 MPH with people driving typically 70-75
    MPH. This is for freeways which are safe at those speeds. Obviously when
    people get off of the freeway into the residential areas then the speed
    drops down to 45 MPH and below depending on the roads.

    The freeways go through towns in the US which is as it should be to produce
    a hierarchical structure for roads which is required for efficient
    transportation. Nothing unusual about it as shown in the Google map at:

    http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=37.548014,-122.281566&spn=0.029568,0.035577&t=h&z=15&om=1

    If you zoom in you will see companies and larger shopping areas just off the
    freeways for quick access for people. Residential house are then further
    from the freeways where getting to your house is quick but you live away
    from the heavy traffic of the business and shopping areas. It is a very
    efficient design.

  19. Jack May said:

    "Jens Müller" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    55 mph speed limit in urban areas? That's insane!

    Yes, the speed limit is usually 65 MPH with people driving typically 70-75
    MPH. This is for freeways which are safe at those speeds. Obviously when
    people get off of the freeway into the residential areas then the speed
    drops down to 45 MPH and below depending on the roads.

    The freeways go through towns in the US which is as it should be to produce
    a hierarchical structure for roads which is required for efficient
    transportation. Nothing unusual about it as shown in the Google map at:

    http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=37.548014,-122.281566&spn=0.029568,0.035577&t=h&z=15&om=1

    If you zoom in you will see companies and larger shopping areas just off the
    freeways for quick access for people. Residential house are then further
    from the freeways where getting to your house is quick but you live away
    from the heavy traffic of the business and shopping areas. It is a very
    efficient design.

    It's actually a very inefficient design. What they do in the U.S. is
    create a series of isolated neighborhoods with twisty streets, all
    dumping out onto a single road, which of course gets terribly
    congested.

    BTW, there is a lot of housing that seems to go in right next to the
    freeways - just drive through Tracy for some examples of new housing
    placed there. It may not be right next to the exit ramps, but it is
    close enough to the freeway itself to get lots of noise.

    Also, your link doesn't work for some reason (various error messages).

    --
    My real name backwards: nemuaZ lliB

  20. donquijote1954 schrieb:

    Quoted message said:
    Jens Müller said:

    donquijote1954 schrieb:

    Quoted message said:

    > Btw, the road _does_ look nice!
    The road is nice, but geared toward vehicles, and drivers are not
    looking for bikes.


    Bikes _are_ vehicles in most jurisdictions.

    (I couldn't find the Florida Highway Code or however it is called.)

    When the Constitution was signed "all men were created equal."
    However, slavery persisted for nearly 100 years, and discrimination
    for another 100...

    But discrimination is still very much alive. Just that the new
    subjects are "the poor who ride a bike as a means of transportation."
    Forget what the vehicle code says. By the way, the law also says
    bicycles have to keep as close to the right as possible, whatever that
    means. A clear contradiction of "bicycles are vehicles too."

    All vehicles have to keep to the right.

    "as close to the right as possible" means "in the middle of the lane" in
    normal lanes.

    Quoted message said:

    "All animals are equal... but some are more equal than others." -
    Animal Farm

    "In Florida the bicycle is legally defined as a vehicle."

    "A bicyclist who is not traveling at the same speed of other traffic
    [what bicycle can?] must ride as close as practicable to the right-
    hand curb or edge of the roadway."

    http://www.floridabicycle.org/rights/laws.html

    What's that? A motor club?

    "As close as possible" means at least one meter. If that would endanger
    the cyclist, it's not possible, so then make it more, i.e. the middle of
    the lane.

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