Re: Do these pedals have FLOAT?

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Jobst Brandt

That guy is good but this guy...:

Yeah, he's amazing from a technical standpoint but the guys with
BMX/freestyle backgrounds have so much more flow that I find them more fun
to watch. The trials guys do too much hopping.

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G.T. said:

Yeah, he's amazing from a technical standpoint but the guys with
BMX/freestyle backgrounds have so much more flow that I find them more fun
to watch. The trials guys do too much hopping.

Greg

The BMX guy is awesome, doing all that on what is basically a normal
BMX/freestyle setup.

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G.T. said:

Yeah, he's amazing from a technical standpoint but the guys with
BMX/freestyle backgrounds have so much more flow that I find them more
fun to watch. The trials guys do too much hopping.

Greg

The BMX guy is awesome, doing all that on what is basically a normal
BMX/freestyle setup.

I can't believe the apparent elevation these guys can get (in all of the
clips) -- hopping up to walls or rails that appear to be four or five feet
off the ground. This is with both wheels, or on a rear wheelie (not the
front wheel up, hoist the rear wheel thing). There is one shot with a guy
hopping over a shopping cart. Is that the low-angle/wide-angle affect, or
are these guys doing the equivalent of a standing jump of four feet straight
up with a bike? If so, they should be playing with Spud Webb. I have
enough trouble hopping my road bike over a 5" curb. -- Jay Beattie.

Jay Beattie said:

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G.T. said:

Yeah, he's amazing from a technical standpoint but the guys with
BMX/freestyle backgrounds have so much more flow that I find them more
fun to watch. The trials guys do too much hopping.

Greg

The BMX guy is awesome, doing all that on what is basically a normal
BMX/freestyle setup.

I can't believe the apparent elevation these guys can get (in all of the
clips) -- hopping up to walls or rails that appear to be four or five feet
off the ground. This is with both wheels, or on a rear wheelie (not the
front wheel up, hoist the rear wheel thing). There is one shot with a guy
hopping over a shopping cart. Is that the low-angle/wide-angle affect, or
are these guys doing the equivalent of a standing jump of four feet straight
up with a bike? If so, they should be playing with Spud Webb. I have
enough trouble hopping my road bike over a 5" curb. -- Jay Beattie.

Dear Jay,

Those evil little wretches do jump like the dickens, but they aren't
leaping quite as high as we think at first, curse them.

First, go and measure a shopping cart--they're not 48 inches high.

Next, remember that the horrible little creatures start out with their
feet at the height of the horizontal pedals. They jump their scrawny
little 140-pound bodies from that initial height, not the ground, and
then yank up the 20 pound bike after them.

The vile little monsters are also yanking their legs up and their
upper bodies down. The result is that their belts (center of mass) are
reaching more modest heights than we think because their feet are
coming up while their heads are coming down.

If you're looking at other sites, where the miserable little beasts
are riding bikes with suspension, you'll see them getting even more
height by slamming down to compress the springs so that they can start
their leaps with an extra assist.

But I still hate them, one and all.

None of these tricks work in the kind of vertical-leap measurements
that you see basketball players doing against walls.

Here's a link to the Sargent test:

http://www.topendsports.com/testing/tests/vertjump.htm

For that kind of leaping, 27.6 inches is excellent for humans, while
the record is probably somewhere over 48 inches for basketball players
(who are sometimes photographed deliberately hovering and must then
return to their home planets). Here's a typical page squabbling about
the maximum:

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20060605153957AA1zGiG

Cheers,

Carl Fogel

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G.T. wrote:
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> Yeah, he's amazing from a technical standpoint but the guys with
> BMX/freestyle backgrounds have so much more flow that I find them
> more fun to watch. The trials guys do too much hopping.
>
> Greg

The BMX guy is awesome, doing all that on what is basically a normal
BMX/freestyle setup.

I can't believe the apparent elevation these guys can get (in all of
the clips) -- hopping up to walls or rails that appear to be four or
five feet off the ground. This is with both wheels, or on a rear
wheelie (not the front wheel up, hoist the rear wheel thing). There
is one shot with a guy hopping over a shopping cart. Is that the
low-angle/wide-angle affect, or are these guys doing the equivalent
of a standing jump of four feet straight up with a bike? If so, they
should be playing with Spud Webb. I have enough trouble hopping my
road bike over a 5" curb. -- Jay Beattie.

Dear Jay,

Those evil little wretches do jump like the dickens, but they aren't
leaping quite as high as we think at first, curse them.

First, go and measure a shopping cart--they're not 48 inches high.

Next, remember that the horrible little creatures start out with their
feet at the height of the horizontal pedals. They jump their scrawny
little 140-pound bodies from that initial height, not the ground, and
then yank up the 20 pound bike after them.

20 lbs? Not for the BMXers. More like at least 30. And I don't know if
having a lower body weight helps. I would think it would be easier to
maneuver if one was a heavier person. I had trouble throwing around a bike
that's about a quarter of my weight.

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The vile little monsters are also yanking their legs up and their
upper bodies down. The result is that their belts (center of mass) are
reaching more modest heights than we think because their feet are
coming up while their heads are coming down.

If you're looking at other sites, where the miserable little beasts
are riding bikes with suspension, you'll see them getting even more
height by slamming down to compress the springs so that they can start
their leaps with an extra assist.

I used to have a dual-suspension bike that would let me ride up a 10-stair
(about 5 feet) because of the suspension. My 135 lbs probably helped a lot
with that.

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But I still hate them, one and all.

It's all about technique and practice. I got to the point where I could
ride up onto 3-foot high walls, but by no means could I acheive a full jump
onto them. Riding backwards was elusive for me.

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None of these tricks work in the kind of vertical-leap measurements
that you see basketball players doing against walls.

Here's a link to the Sargent test:

http://www.topendsports.com/testing/tests/vertjump.htm

For that kind of leaping, 27.6 inches is excellent for humans, while
the record is probably somewhere over 48 inches for basketball players
(who are sometimes photographed deliberately hovering and must then
return to their home planets). Here's a typical page squabbling about
the maximum:

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20060605153957AA1zGiG

Cheers,

Carl Fogel

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20 lbs? Not for the BMXers. More like at least 30.

Bike weight? Those are very small, minimalist bikes that probably
weight a lot less than 30lbs. I doubt that but don't have any specific
info. Do you?

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On Thu, 24 May 2007 03:20:35 -0400, "Phil, Non-Squid"

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20 lbs? Not for the BMXers. More like at least 30.

Bike weight? Those are very small, minimalist bikes that probably
weight a lot less than 30lbs. I doubt that but don't have any specific
info. Do you?

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JT - check this bike:
http://www.danscomp.com/101187.php?cat=BIKES
a VERY high end Eastern BMX bike - $800 is steep in BMX. 27 pounds
manufacturers claimed weight.
Big thick tubes and big heavy components are the deal in BMX.

On 24 May 2007 05:40:12 -0700, "Anthony A." <[email hidden]>

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On May 24, 6:02 am, John Forrest Tomlinson <[email hidden]>

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On Thu, 24 May 2007 03:20:35 -0400, "Phil, Non-Squid"

Quoted message said:

20 lbs? Not for the BMXers. More like at least 30.

Bike weight? Those are very small, minimalist bikes that probably
weight a lot less than 30lbs. I doubt that but don't have any specific
info. Do you?

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JT - check this bike:
http://www.danscomp.com/101187.php?cat=BIKES
a VERY high end Eastern BMX bike - $800 is steep in BMX. 27 pounds
manufacturers claimed weight.
Big thick tubes and big heavy components are the deal in BMX.

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Jobst Brandt

That guy is good but this guy...:

Should go the whole hog and get a pogo stick.

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G.T. said:

Yeah, he's amazing from a technical standpoint but the guys with
BMX/freestyle backgrounds have so much more flow that I find them more fun
to watch. The trials guys do too much hopping.

Different kinds of flow. Wonderful.

Hey, I borrowed a good BMX bike a few months ago, down at the Austin
BMX park. Headed for that first jump, unseen hands steered me around
to the right, and just in time, too.

We called it a career.

Like Mr. Callahan said...

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