Re: Exercise Ineffective for Weight Loss?

In misc.fitness.weights Prisoner at War said:

You know, maybe I'll be a bum when I get old, a tramp, a vagabond, a
wanderer...like them solitary old guys who travel the world by bicycle
on www.crazyguyonabike.com...I wouldn't need to worry about
appearances then, no need to worry about quality protein, enough
sleep, blah blah blah...in a way, I could see myself enjoying old
age...but from the perspective of youth, running and lifting and doing
whatever I want, oh my God, it's a horrible prospect...it's true, old
people do look like lizards! Every time I take the bus (see, I used
to bike most everywhere, but these days I actually take the bus!
Pretty soon I'll buy a car, too, finally...ugh) and see them old
people taking a whole minute to get on or off -- which is every day,
practically every three stops -- I shudder and actually feel a sense
of disgust...what a joke, to decay for the next forty or fifty years!
Just decay...my God, imagine something spoiling, literally dying,
every day for the next five decades...what a joke!!!

I don't think you need to worry. Having already left your bicycle and
started using the bus at your age it shouldn't take you too long to
either bloat into a hippo or shrivel into a lizard depending on your
constitution. If you can afford it, buy a car, then you'll have even
less time to wait before you degenerate from lack of exercise.

--
Chris Malcolm [email hidden] DoD #205
IPAB, Informatics, JCMB, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK
[http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/cam/]

Prisoner at War said:

I've never thought suicide unreasonable. When I stop enjoying this
party called life, I will leave! So I'm going to the gym now, even
taking creatine and protein powders out of desperation, to see how
long I can keep up what youthful strength and vigor I have left

So does that [censored] really help? I'm thinking about trying some to see
if I can buildup a bit of muscle.

Dnia Fri, 02 Nov 2007 o 05:10 GMT Oldest guy alive napisa³(a):

Quoted message said:

Prisoner at War said:

I've never thought suicide unreasonable. When I stop enjoying this
party called life, I will leave! So I'm going to the gym now, even
taking creatine and protein powders out of desperation, to see how
long I can keep up what youthful strength and vigor I have left

So does that [censored] really help? I'm thinking about trying some to see
if I can buildup a bit of muscle.

Creatine works, but the effects differ from person to person. If you
eat red meat often, you shouldn't expect miracles. Protein powders are
more of a convenience than anything else. Eat six times a day, if you
can do it. There are studies now, which supposedly show that eating
more often helps in maintaining muscle mass while on a CR diet. I've
seen just an abstract, so I can't tell for sure, but this "eat plenty of
small meals" strategy was around for ages, so I feel convinced even with
just an abstract.

And of course, anaerobic workouts would help quite a lot.

--
Andrzej Rosa 1127R

Quoted message said:

, old
people do look like lizards!

There maybe a few things that slow the formation of wrinkles
such as the bootleg form of the Alteon med Alt711 or is it Alt117,
benfotamine,
pyridoxamine, and possibly avoiding advanced glycation endproducts in
the diet. Avoid excess sun and take vitamin D instead. And don't
smoke. Benfotiamine is widely available and is much more effective
than high dose thiamine in preventing glycation. There as very few
sources of pyridoxamine
and it strictly grey market so far for the consumer.

I have doubts about the first, I take the second and likely I
should be taking the third item mentioned.

Try sci.life-extension on this topic.

Chris Malcolm said:

I don't think you need to worry. Having already left your bicycle and
started using the bus at your age it shouldn't take you too long to
either bloat into a hippo or shrivel into a lizard depending on your
constitution. If you can afford it, buy a car, then you'll have even
less time to wait before you degenerate from lack of exercise.

Huh?

My complaint is that degeneration takes decades...if we must be
mortal, well, let's just have done with it, then, no need to rot for
decades yet!

Still doing my three a week at the gym, but I'm afraid at a certain
point it's simply paddling against an ever increasing current....

Quoted message said:

--
Chris Malcolm [email hidden] DoD #205
IPAB, Informatics, JCMB, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK
[http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/cam/]

Oldest guy alive said:

So does that [censored] really help? I'm thinking about trying some to see
if I can buildup a bit of muscle.

Hard to say, as I didn't do things under controlled (laboratory)
conditions. I've gotten stronger since I first started using them mid-
summer, but would I have been stronger anyway? I think that at best I
made ever so slightly faster progress, and that's still quite
debatable.

My arms went up half an inch and I gain ten pounds of water weight
from the creatine, from what I can tell. It may have helped me pump
out an extra rep or two; I simply don't know. Being that a ~$10 tub
of creatine fruit punch lasts like a month, it's not a total waste of
money if those gains are indeed due to creatine. One thing I read
about creatine is that gains are supposedly kept even after
discontinuing use, unlike with something like steroids, provided one
still exercises and eats right, etc.

It's the same thing with protein shakes, though I'm even less sure
about them. I take them before, during, and after working out, as
advised by the book "Nutrient Timing," but there's simply no telling
whether I would have made the progress anyway, or am simply undergoing
a placebo effect, or if any progress due to these supplements are that
big of a deal in the first place! It sure was fun at first, however,
to mix up these "magic potions" and imagine that I was going to tear
the gym apart. =)

My recommendation: give 'em a try for fun if you have the money
(though creatine is particularly cheap). Don't expect much and you
might be slightly amused.

Oldest guy alive said:

So does that [censored] really help? I'm thinking about trying some to see
if I can buildup a bit of muscle.

Hard to say, as I didn't do things under controlled (laboratory)
conditions. I've gotten stronger since I first started using them mid-
summer, but would I have been stronger anyway? I think that at best I
made ever so slightly faster progress, and that's still quite
debatable.

My arms went up half an inch and I gain ten pounds of water weight
from the creatine, from what I can tell. It may have helped me pump
out an extra rep or two; I simply don't know. Being that a ~$10 tub
of creatine fruit punch lasts like a month, it's not a total waste of
money if those gains are indeed due to creatine. One thing I read
about creatine is that gains are supposedly kept even after
discontinuing use, unlike with something like steroids, provided one
still exercises and eats right, etc.

It's the same thing with protein shakes, though I'm even less sure
about them. I take them before, during, and after working out, as
advised by the book "Nutrient Timing," but there's simply no telling
whether I would have made the progress anyway, or am simply undergoing
a placebo effect, or if any progress due to these supplements are that
big of a deal in the first place! It sure was fun at first, however,
to mix up these "magic potions" and imagine that I was going to tear
the gym apart. =)

My recommendation: give 'em a try for fun if you have the money
(though creatine is particularly cheap). Don't expect much and you
might be slightly amused.