Re: FDA wants to regulate nutritional supplements

"KevinS" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Paul M. Cook said:

They want to regulate basically anything you can put
in your mouth that can be digested. And that even includes fresh juices.

It sounds bizarre, ...

Point me to a Federal Register date and page and I'll
read it.

I pointed you to the actual government web site complete with FDA document.
If that isn't good enough, nothing is.

Paul

Quoted message said:

I pointed you to the actual government web site complete
with FDA document. If that isn't good enough, nothing is.

So be it.

"KevinS" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I pointed you to the actual government web site complete
with FDA document. If that isn't good enough, nothing is.

So be it.

Perhaps you could do a Vulcan mind meld with Google? It would sure spare
you the rereading time.

Paul

Paul M. Cook said:

Perhaps you could do a Vulcan mind meld with Google?  
would sure spare you the rereading time.

Hey, Paul! Knock yourself out with your pissiniess. Always
got your high class on display, as usual.

I'm staggered by the number of people here who share
your distress over this issue. What are we up to now -
Zero??

Paul M. Cook said:

Hey, you asked for a federal register date.  It never occurred
to you that proposals don't get into the register until the proposals
have been enacted. So you want something that cannot be provided
as proof to satisfy yourself. That's not me being prissy, that is me
making fun of a fool.

Paul,

Let's have a look at the Federal Register main page on
GPO Access. From the introductory paragraph:

"Published by the Office of the Federal Register, National Archives
and Records Administration (NARA), the Federal Register is the
official daily publication for rules, proposed rules, and notices
of Federal agencies and organizations, as well as executive orders
and other presidential documents."

Look in the third line. Do you see the word "proposed"?

Paul, I review the Federal Register on every business
day. It's part of what I do. I know what it includes.

Next insult, please.

"KevinS" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Paul M. Cook said:

Hey, you asked for a federal register date. It never occurred
to you that proposals don't get into the register until the proposals
have been enacted. So you want something that cannot be provided
as proof to satisfy yourself. That's not me being prissy, that is me
making fun of a fool.

Paul,

Let's have a look at the Federal Register main page on
GPO Access. From the introductory paragraph:

"Published by the Office of the Federal Register, National Archives
and Records Administration (NARA), the Federal Register is the
official daily publication for rules, proposed rules, and notices
of Federal agencies and organizations, as well as executive orders
and other presidential documents."

Look in the third line. Do you see the word "proposed"?

Paul, I review the Federal Register on every business
day. It's part of what I do. I know what it includes.

Next insult, please.

So look it up by it's docket number.

http://www.fda.gov/ohrms/dockets/dockets/06d0480/06d0480.htm

Paul

"KevinS" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Paul M. Cook said:

Hey, you asked for a federal register date. It never occurred
to you that proposals don't get into the register until the proposals
have been enacted. So you want something that cannot be provided
as proof to satisfy yourself. That's not me being prissy, that is me
making fun of a fool.

Paul,

Let's have a look at the Federal Register main page on
GPO Access. From the introductory paragraph:

"Published by the Office of the Federal Register, National Archives
and Records Administration (NARA), the Federal Register is the
official daily publication for rules, proposed rules, and notices
of Federal agencies and organizations, as well as executive orders
and other presidential documents."

Look in the third line. Do you see the word "proposed"?

Paul, I review the Federal Register on every business
day. It's part of what I do. I know what it includes.

Next insult, please.

Federal register date was 2-27-07. In my defense I was thinking the
Congressional record.

http://www.newstarget.com/z021811.html
NewsTarget.com printable article
Originally published April 25 2007
FDA's attempts to slip its CAM Guidelines under the radar fail; deadline for
public comment extended to May 29
by Mike Adams

Following widespread criticism by the public over proposed CAM Guidelines
that the agency tried to slip under the radar (see below), the Food and Drug
Administration has now extended the deadline for public comment to May 29.
(It was previously April 30). The CAM Guidelines (click here to read them
yourself) represent a new era of thinking at the FDA and describe the
agency's intentions to regulate herbs, functional foods, therapeutic oils,
nutritional supplements and even physical devices such as massage rocks as
either "drugs" or "medical devices." Click here to read our previous story
describing the CAM Guidlines. These guidelines have been widely described as
a brazen FDA attempt to destroy naturopathy and alternative medicine.

The FDA was petitioned on April 22 by health freedom attorney Ralph
Fucetola, a trustee of the non-profit National Solutions Foundation
(www.HealthFreedomUSA.com), to extend its deadline for public comment. The
petition also specifically requested that the FDA hold public hearings on
the issue, but no decision has apparently been made on that issue.

It now seems that the FDA attempted to sneak the new CAM Guidelines under
the radar, hoping the public would never notice the guidelines until they
had already been adopted and approved. The original CAM Guidelines document
was quietly posted by the FDA on the day after Christmas, 2006, yet did not
appear in the Federal Register until several months later. By the time the
document was able to be found and commented on by the natural health
community, only about thirty days remained in the public comment period.
Thanks to public pressure and the National Solutions Foundation petition,
the public comment period has now been extended by an additional thirty days
to May 29th.

To date, more than 108,000 comments have been received by the FDA on their
CAM Guidelines. The issue has received widespread coverage in the natural
health community, including articles on NewsTarget.com. The National
Solutions Foundation says that an additional 267,000 people attempted to
post comments but were unable to do so. NewsTarget previously suggested that
comments posted to the FDA might be intentionally ignored or deleted, and
according to the NSF, letters that are written to the FDA about this docket
are routinely ignored.

Your comments are still needed to protect health freedom
The most effective way to make your voice heard on this topic is to either
post your comments electronically, or write your representative in
Washington to apply pressure on the FDA from the legislative side.

Click here to post your comments directly to the FDA on the FDA Docket
Management Comment Form. Keep in mind that all comments become part of the
official FDA record, so write your comments carefully.

The National Solutions Foundation also has a web comment form posted here,
which uses the "Democracy In Action" engine to send comments to the FDA and
adds your name to a petition asserting our collective right to health
freedom. This petition needs approximately another 90,000 electronic
signatures to be taken seriously by the FDA, so please consider signing this
petition as well.

"My middle name is not Darth Vader" claims FDA official
Late last week, John Weeks from The Integrator Blog (click here for the full
interview) published an interview with Philip Chao, the only FDA official
referenced in the CAM Guidelines document.

That interview asks the important question: Why was the CAM Guidelines
document posted in the Federal Register on February 27, with a comment
deadline of April 30, when the document itself says there will be a 90 day
comment period? The Integrator asks, "Can't you see how, with a suspicious
public out there and all this hoopla that just extending to 90 days from
February 27 makes some sense."

Later in that interview, Philip Chao is asked if his middle name is Darth
Vader. His response? "No it is not." This is the first time, to my
knowledge, that an FDA employee has officially denied his name is Darth
Vader.

The campaign to keep you uninformed
Interestingly, opinions are split in the health freedom communities over the
interpretation of the CAM Guidelines and the involvement of those trying to
stop it. NewsTarget has been strongly pressured by certain health freedom
individuals to censor its reporting on this topic and remove any mention of
the National Solutions Foundation or its website.

We have also been told by some health freedom activists that the CAM
Guidelines can be safely ignored and pose no threat whatsoever to health
freedom. Common sense, however, dictates otherwise. Any document in which
the FDA openly states its intention to regulate vegetable juice as a drug is
clearly and unquestionably a threat to health freedom, regardless of the
noise level in the current health freedom debate.

It is my belief that those individuals and organizations attempting to
silence the reporting on these CAM Guidelines are, in fact, working in
opposition to health freedom, regardless of their self-proclaimed stance on
the issue. Actions speak louder than words. Anyone can claim they're in
favor of health freedom, but unless they're actually fighting for it where
the rubber meets the road, so to speak, they're only standing in the way of
those of us who actually are making a difference. Stopping these CAM
Guidelines from becoming official FDA policy is, in my view, one very
important action item that deserves our effort right now. There are many
more, but this is one that we cannot ignore.

If you believe in your right to purchase herbs, supplements, homeopathic
remedies or other naturopathic or "alternative" health items, please
consider posting your comments using one (or both) of the links listed
above.

The petition to extend the deadline
The April 22nd petition letter to extend the FDA deadline is reprinted, in
part, below:

April 22, 2007

Re: FDA Docket No. 2006D-0480
Request to Extend Time Period for Comments

Reference is made to the Federal Register, February 27, 2007 (Volume 72,
Number 38, Page 8756-8757),
http://www.fda.gov/OHRMS/DOCKETS/98fr/E7-3259.htm, entitled: Draft Guidance
for Industry on Complementary and Alternative Medicine Products and Their
Regulation by the Food and Drug Administration.

In the filed comments NSF submitted to the FDA, the organization emphasized
what we see as the important distinction between "treatment of disease" and
its non-medical alternative, under AMA Ethics Code Opinion 3.04, "therapies
that may benefit." The comments raised three demands:

1. That FDA hold public hearings before finalization of the draft guidance.

2. That FDA change the title of the guidance to use the phrase
"Complementary and Alternative Modalities" and not the prejudicial
"Complementary and Alternative Medicine" as in the draft.

3. That FDA recognize "therapies that may benefit" as not the same as
"treatment of disease" and therefore not to be regulated as "medicine."

The organization also alerted its supporters, in keeping with its
educational purposes. Many of theses individuals filed their own or
supporting comments. As of the date of this request, over 108,822 have done
so, by one count. This does not include about 267,063 people who tried to
post comments but did not succeed, yet. Many of these remaining people may
still want to submit comments, but may not be able to do so by April 30,
2007, a stated deadline for comments. While the Federal Register Notice
states such a time limit for the filing of comments, there is other
indication of a 90 day comment period, after the date of publication in the
Register. This would extend to period until May 28, 2007.

Therefore, we are unsure of the effective end of comment period date, and as
many more people want to comment, we must now request a clarification of the
final date for the filing of comments and, if that date is April 30, 2007,
Natural Solutions Foundation and the undersigned hereby request a 180 day
extension of the period to comment, or such other extension as the Agency
may consider reasonable. This issue is of such evident concern and
importance to so many Americans that a substantial extension is required.

Kindly inform me by return email or facsimile of the Agency's decision in
this regard. The Foundation reserves all rights.

Thank you,
Ralph Fucetola JD, Trustee

Assert your right to health freedom, or you'll lose it
Understand that we, the members of the natural health community, are at war
with the FDA. Even though we are peaceful people who would not initiate such
a war, that war has been declared upon us. We must fight this effort to
regulate our natural medicines out of existence, and we must do so through
every peaceful means at our disposal: Signing petitions, writing letters,
even perhaps marching in the streets with protest signs if it comes to that.

Do not stand by idly and let the Food and Drug Administration turn America
into a medical police state, funded by Big Pharma and enforced by armed FDA
agents. (See the true history of armed FDA raids here.) Preserving your
access to alternative medicine products is something worth fighting for. We
must meet the FDA's attempts at medical tyranny head on, with overwhelming
public outrage, and we must keep at it until we restore the freedoms we have
been promised by the founding father of our nation.

Today, America is neither a free democracy, nor a totalitarian police state.
But it could go either way. And the direction it heads from this day forward
is up to people like you. Will you demand your freedom? Or will you let it
be slowly, secretly slipped away, one federal document at a time, until you
wake up one day and find yourself standing alone in a world or medical
tyranny where all the healers have been imprisoned, the herbs have all been
banned and the public is chemically controlled under a system of lifetime
medical treatment that keeps the drug corporations wealthy?

Think about where this is all headed. The CAM Guidelines spell out the path
the FDA wants to take us down. It's up to people like you to stop that
effort and help restore genuine health freedom in our world.

Paul M. Cook said:

Federal register date was 2-27-07.  In my defense I was thinking the
Congressional record.

That's a start, even if it took a while. Thank you. I'll read it
tomorrow. I forewarn you that I'm a skeptic, but I'll read
it in best open-minded mode.

Paul M. Cook said:

Federalregisterdate was 2-27-07.  In my defense I was thinking the
Congressional record.

In your defense??? You insult strangers and say this or that
is "in your defense". Your explanation is appalling.

There's a word in use in common English discourse that
describes your comments - let's see, it's coming to me -
it's on the tip of my tongue - here it is, the word is
WRONG.