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  1. i would like someone to put together a list in which order to learn flat
    tricks...

    i can alread do full wraps and legwraps and double leg wraps...but now
    i dont know were to go, outside rolls, inside rolls rolling wraps? i
    just dont know

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    You won't get hurt if you land it...

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    Maybe Santa will let you guide his sleigh on that thing come Christmas.

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  2. would anyone play a flatland uni tricks game if one was started?

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  3. Jon Atwell said:

    would anyone play a flatland uni tricks game if one was started?

    I would try, I dont know to many tricks yet. Sound like fun tho.

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  4. Jon Atwell said:

    would anyone play a flatland uni tricks game if one was started?

    yes

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    tugboat said:

    You won't get hurt if you land it...

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    Maybe Santa will let you guide his sleigh on that thing come Christmas.

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  5. haha so when i wrote that i had every intention of starting one.
    but it snowed last night and when i went out to shovel off the drive
    way there was tons of ice under the snow. ill try and start one here
    sometime or if anyone else wants to start one that would be cool.

    jon A

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  6. It would be nice to have flatland evolve into longer combos of tricks.

    Like when I look at FL BMX. They dont do a small trick then start
    pedaling, then do another. Its a long combo.

    Flat would look cooler if it could be transformed into something of the
    sort. I have to give props to all the flat riders out there though.
    One trick alone is mad hard, let alone a whole combo. Just a thought.

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  7. beeper said:

    It would be nice to have flatland evolve into longer combos of tricks.

    Like when I look at FL BMX. They dont do a small trick then start
    pedaling, then do another. Its a long combo.

    Flat would look cooler if it could be transformed into something of the
    sort. I have to give props to all the flat riders out there though.
    One trick alone is mad hard, let alone a whole combo. Just a thought.

    Yeah that would be cool but it would be easier on a bike since they
    coast. They can make one trick go on for a long distance where we are
    pretty much limited to one rev per single roll trick because of the
    cranks. Flat combos are getting longer and it looks cool. Flat is still
    really new and its progressing fast so I think eventually the combos
    will get much longer.

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  8. so really all flat unicycles need is another wheel😄

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  9. I always firmly believe that many people are looking at flatland in the
    wrong way. To many people flatland is: do anything on flat ground or
    even off small stairsets... that technically makes me a flatlander in
    their eyes then... well, anyone is a flatlander then... haha...

    Unicycle disciplines are like *mirror images of their bike
    counterparts*... I mean look at trials... muni... street...
    respectively: biketrials, mountain biking, and BMXing.

    Flatland in unicycling is derived from flatland BMX. The key to
    flatland BMX is all about *flow*. Look at how they ride? They pretty
    much always keep at least one wheel on the ground rolling and do a
    truck load of *rolling balance tricks*. You don't see them doing street
    BMX tricks like bunnyhop-barspins or bunnyhop-tailwhips in normal
    circumstances because they are considered street tricks. Thus doing
    crankflips off curbs and 3 sets are not flatland. It's in the name for
    pity's sake: FLAT... LAND... therefore all of it is done on a flat
    plain of land. As shown in the following picture:

    [image:
    http://www.bmxflatlandworldcircuit.com/nc/media/1/20070415-IMG_1225.gif]

    Most 'flatland' riders and 'flat' videos are just *mini-street*. The
    only riders capable of true flatland that I have see so far are:
    Spencer Hochberg, Arthur Caron, Loic (to some extent), Xavier (to some
    extent). There are more out there, but I haven't noticed yet,
    apologies.

    Spencer especially as he sees flatland in the proper light: i.e.: about
    balance tricks, flow, no hops. Sure, him and Arthur do crankflips and
    street tricks in their vids as a mess-around, but in the serious
    flatland parts... they are fully capable of doing impressive balance
    combo tricks, which many so called 'flatland' riders don't ever do.
    Flatland vids are quite monotonous sometimes i.e.: unispin, pause, hop
    hop hop, doubleflip, hop hop hop, 180 crankflip, bail, hop hop...
    *Where's the flow? Where's the balance trick combos?*

    I know a lot of so called 'flatland' riders will think I'm an 'ignorant
    trials [censored]' that knows nothing about flat.. but hey... read what I
    typed out above and think about it. I'm all for unicycling to evolve
    into something truly impressive... partly the reason why I took the
    effort into creating the Triton Sponge titanium frames. I take a
    genuine interest in seeing things grow and evolve in the right way and
    I like contributing to it by helping to un-cloud some people's opinions
    and judgments.

    _Someone_PLEASE_prove_me_wrong__about the general 'flatland' scene in
    unicycling and bang out a proper video taken from the mold of Spencer
    and Arthur's continuous rolling balance trick combos. Because to me and
    many many others, it is just mini-street right now. No crankflips or
    stairsets please. Just balance, rolling, and flow. No hops. BMXers
    generally laugh at us, *especially at flatland*... *every* BMXer or
    friend of mine that sees 'flatland' unicyclign they say: *"what the
    hell, how is that flatland... it's bunch of sketchy street tricks with
    no flow". *I agree with them 100% to be brutally honest. Let's see
    flatland move in the right direction... go and watch Spencer's vids on
    youtube and try and learn his balance combos. I'd be FAR more impressed
    to see people doing 20 second clips on youtube doing one balance combo
    consisting of crankrolls, legwraps, tyre-step overs etc.. rather than a
    5 minute video of crankflips off 2 sets and curbs.

    On a less critical note: Anyone reckon they could do megaspins on unis?


    ^My idea of it is: Get in a donkey kick position, but instead of
    kicking the tyre backwards, do continuous backwards scuffing of the
    tyre as if you are doing backwards standing 1-foot wheelwalks, but spin
    in a circle whilst doing it. I chatted about this with Spencer, and
    sure it is damn hard in theory, it would be sweet if someone pulled it
    off.

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  10. bump...

    i landed a rolling wrap finally. I can do backrolls sometimes.

    @spencer/jon how long did it take you guys to get
    rollingwraps/backrolls consistant?

    edit:

    @jon-do you ride 125mm moments or 137mm moments?

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    I learned everything I know from youtube.

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  11. I learned rolling wraps and backrolls a couple weeks ago, they are great
    fun.

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  12. Rolling wrap took me one morning to land, and the rest of the day to get
    them consistantly.

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  13. Sponge said:

    Unicycle disciplines are like *mirror images of their bike
    counterparts*... I mean look at trials... muni... street...
    respectively: biketrials, mountain biking, and BMXing.

    How come my reflection has two wheels? 🙂

    Quoted message said:

    Flatland in unicycling is derived from flatland BMX. The key to flatland
    BMX is all about *flow*. Look at how they ride? They pretty much always
    keep at least one wheel on the ground rolling and do a truck load of
    *rolling balance tricks*.

    The problem is, unicycles don't coast well. Though you can stand on a
    front peg of a Flatland BMX bike and run off trick after trick, we
    don't have a straight equivalent of that so there's at a minium going
    to be more pedaling.

    Quoted message said:

    _Someone_PLEASE_prove_me_wrong__about the general 'flatland' scene in
    unicycling...

    Don't dispair, Flatland is still very new! New to the point that I don't
    know of any competitions having been held yet, which kind of leads to
    the existence of no written rules. People are still hashing out what
    Flatland is all about, so it's still kind of fluid.

    One thing I think is fundamental to a proper Flatland performance would
    be flat land. No stairs, curbs, etc. Those would point it in the
    direction of Street. I also like the idea of flow being a component,
    though I don't think it needs to be a strict rule. In fact I'd
    recommend the same thing for Street; having at least part of the
    performance be flowy, while other parts can be more hoppy.

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  14. Uni-Ouly said:

    so really all flat unicycles need is another wheel😄

    Yeah that would be about right. 😄 😄

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    Its a wild ride, grabs me by the shoe-lace, and doesn't let go till I do
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  15. johnfoss said:

    Don't dispair, Flatland is still very new! *New to the point that I
    don't know of any competitions having been held yet*, which kind of
    leads to the existence of no written rules. People are still hashing
    out what Flatland is all about, so it's still kind of fluid.

    CFM 2007 Buthier had a Flat competition... in a very interesting
    format... Looked like a Break dance competition... I really liked the
    videos of the competition...

    Some videos of this competition:
    'Flat Battles by Samiaul' (

    )
    'CFM Battles Part 1' (

    )
    'CFM Battles Part 2' (

    )

    I don't know if this competition is oficial or no... But it's a flat
    competition!

    bye!

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  16. Hazmat said:

    Yeah that would be about right. 😄 😄

    That is two wheels being added by the way...

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  17. Spoonthumb said:

    bump...

    i landed a rolling wrap finally. I can do backrolls sometimes.

    @spencer/jon how long did it take you guys to get
    rollingwraps/backrolls consistant?

    edit:

    @jon-do you ride 125mm moments or 137mm moments?

    i ride 137s and am liking them alot

    i dont really know how long it took to get them consistant. I can do
    them almost everytime though. the best way to get them consistant is
    just to do them a bunch every session. yeeeah thats kinda useless info
    though cause im guessing you could have thought of that...

    Backrolls are pretty easy after like 2 days. im trying to get 2 and 3
    backrolls in a row without hops consistant

    i landed bigflips today yay

    -jon A

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  18. Sponge said:

    [image:
    http://www.bmxflatlandworldcircuit.com/nc/media/1/20070415-IMG_1225.gif]

    Watching the sponsors that was token at either "Flatground" or the "BMX
    masters" in Koln; I've been to both.
    And as that British ex-BMX'er from Pensilvania (who's voice-over at
    Eurosport and ESPN) isn't doing the mic there, and as the building is
    high, I'm sure it must me Amsterdam.

    Sponge said:

    bang out a proper video taken from the mold of Spencer and Arthur's
    continuous rolling balance trick combos.

    What do you think about Lutz' "'uncut'
    (http://unicycle.tv/video/301-uncut)"?

    Sponge said:

    On a less critical note: Anyone reckon they could do megaspins on unis?

    Last trick I spend time on to learn was "'stand-ww bw sif'
    (http://tinyurl.com/y3w6th) in C", the C's are getting smaller, but
    certainly no spinning yet, and no rolling either.

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  19. I honestly dont see why crankflips can't be accepted into flat. I mean,
    if you were to crankflip, to sideways wheelwalk, to crankroll, I dont
    see why the crankflip is looked down upon in that combo. It makes it
    that more interesting. Sure, the trick itself is a street trick, but
    it can be varied into so many combos in flat. I mean, Flatland itself
    shouldnt' be core flat all the time. Its really the rider's preference
    weather he/she is to crankflip, or crankroll, or do both for that
    matter in the same combo. As long as it flows, and the combo involves
    flat tricks, without straight up riding between tricks, it should be
    accepted as core flat. I mean, the unispin is used in street. Doesn't
    mean that it isnt' core street. The point im trying to make is that
    if you are to make a combo with flat tricks, it shouldnt' matter what
    trick you do, as long as it flows.

    Example: Rolling Wrap to Backroll, To sideways wheelwalk,
    to monkey kick.
    That should be considered pure flat.
    As long as you dont ride the uni regularly between the Sideways
    wheelwalk, and the monkey kick, is it not still a flat combo?

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  20. beeper said:

    alot about flips in flat

    I think flips in flat if used right are really sick. for example in
    flatland i love combos like sideways wheel walk to wheel flip out and
    rolling wrap to hickflip and flips into rolls are sick.

    People are saying that in flatland bmx they never leave the
    ground...ive seen them jump all over the place. maybe if ur looking at
    flatland as only rolls but i think that limits the sport waaay to much.
    its hard to define a style of riding thats so new and i think even
    when flat is established later you wont be able to just say this is
    what flatland is...its like trying to define street. People will
    always have different opions on what a style is supposed to be like so
    you can waste time discussing what flatland is i guess but i wont

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