Re: Food and morality

In article <[email hidden]>, M_un Over

Seattle said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I would disagree. Gluttony, as laid out in the old Testament, is about
eating more than your fair share. It is tied hand-in-hand with waste.

Ron Ritzman said:

And of course you believe that "2 pounds" is a "fair share".

It's enough to live on. Take what you need, all of what you need but
no more.

Quoted message said:

So for you it is at least partially a moral/religious issue, not just
a health issue.

Sure is.

Quoted message said:

This might partially explain some of the animosity
between you, Dr. Chung, and the "peanut gallery".

Some of it.

Quoted message said:

They're concerned
primarily with weight loss and diabetes control.

Yes and some see the issue of gluttony.

Quoted message said:

To you, it's
partially a philosophical issue of how much food you believe God wants
us to eat on any given day.

Not stuck on a given day as much as whether or not there are repeated
days of overconsumption.

Quoted message said:

Anybody for alt.religion.2pd?

Only if you moderate it.

Quoted message said:

As far as the "waste" issue is concerned, now of days, "waste" is not
what we are eating but what we are throwing away.

Gluttony is about consumption. Making too much food, knowingly and
repeatedly, is wasteful.

Quoted message said:

You could feed a
third world country on what McDonalds puts in their dumpsters.

Yes, perhaps

Quoted message said:

Of
course you could argue that we are producing too much.

Yes, the US does for its own use on most products.

Quoted message said:

What does it
take, about 8 pounds of grain to grow 1 pound of cow?

Fat cows are fine; fat (fe)males are not.

Mu i never thought of you as a sexist pig and presume you feel the sama
about fat males and wonder what happened to "Live and let Live'? last
time I checked this is Diet Support, not "Fat People Abort." Not
everyone subscribes to the party line.

--
Diva
*****
The Best Man for the Job May Be A Woman

On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 09:23:11 -0400, Carol Frilegh <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Fat cows are fine; fat (fe)males are not.

Mu i never thought of you as a sexist pig and presume you feel the sama
about fat males..

What are you talking about? why do you think I had "fe" in
parentheses. It means the word can be either females or males.

Quoted message said:

and wonder what happened to "Live and let Live'?

They made a movie about it.

Quoted message said:

last
time I checked this is Diet Support, not "Fat People Abort."

Where is all this coming from?

Quoted message said:

Not
everyone subscribes to the party line.

Exactly what is the party line so I can make my decision.

http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap031011.html
Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long.

In article <[email hidden]>, M_un Over

Seattle said:

On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 09:23:11 -0400, Carol Frilegh <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Fat cows are fine; fat (fe)males are not.

Mu i never thought of you as a sexist pig and presume you feel the sama
about fat males..

What are you talking about? why do you think I had "fe" in
parentheses. It means the word can be either females or males.

Quoted message said:

and wonder what happened to "Live and let Live'?

They made a movie about it.

Quoted message said:

last
time I checked this is Diet Support, not "Fat People Abort."

Where is all this coming from?

Quoted message said:

Not
everyone subscribes to the party line.

Exactly what is the party line so I can make my decision.

What I perceive here on ASD is that we leave the FA issues to others.
Here we have opted for some sort of plan or change in our lives via
diet. The FAQs decree it's not always about weight LOSS.

Since it's no party I can't swear it's the official party line. And
BTW not all of us are of the same religious faith and religion is not a
topic for ASD. Prayer in itself is a general issue.

I pray you will understand.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Exactly what is the party line so I can make my decision.

On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 09:57:53 -0400, Carol Frilegh <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

What I perceive here on ASD is that we leave the FA issues to others.
Here we have opted for some sort of plan or change in our lives via
diet. The FAQs decree it's not always about weight LOSS.

If FA is fat acceptance, why would you not want to discuss accepting
fat people and having fat people accept themselves? They are
unhealthy, sure, but they are not cast outs. They are simply fat and
discussing being fat, or FA, would be a perfect thing to do in a diet
group since most people who come to these groups are fat.

Quoted message said:

Since it's no party I can't swear it's the official party line. And
BTW not all of us are of the same religious faith and religion is not a
topic for ASD.

Why not? Is it because you dislike it or it makes you feel
uncomfortable?

We are having the discussions about food and morality and God and
godlessness right here and now.

Quoted message said:

Prayer in itself is a general issue.

you got to pray to some Other being, don't you?

Quoted message said:

I pray you will understand.

I doubt that.

http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap031011.html
Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long.

On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 09:57:53 -0400, Carol Frilegh <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

What I perceive here on ASD is that we leave the FA issues to others.
Here we have opted for some sort of plan or change in our lives via
diet. The FAQs decree it's not always about weight LOSS.

Since it's no party I can't swear it's the official party line. And
BTW not all of us are of the same religious faith and religion is not a
topic for ASD. Prayer in itself is a general issue.

I pray you will understand.

Amen

Cheers Alan, T2, Oz
--
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.

In article <[email hidden]>, M_un Over

Seattle said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Exactly what is the party line so I can make my decision.

On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 09:57:53 -0400, Carol Frilegh <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

What I perceive here on ASD is that we leave the FA issues to others.
Here we have opted for some sort of plan or change in our lives via
diet. The FAQs decree it's not always about weight LOSS.

If FA is fat acceptance, why would you not want to discuss accepting
fat people and having fat people accept themselves? They are
unhealthy, sure, but they are not cast outs. They are simply fat and
discussing being fat, or FA, would be a perfect thing to do in a diet
group since most people who come to these groups are fat.

Quoted message said:

Since it's no party I can't swear it's the official party line. And
BTW not all of us are of the same religious faith and religion is not a
topic for ASD.

Why not? Is it because you dislike it or it makes you feel
uncomfortable?

We are having the discussions about food and morality and God and
godlessness right here and now.

Quoted message said:

Prayer in itself is a general issue.

you got to pray to some Other being, don't you?

Quoted message said:

I pray you will understand.

I doubt that.

Mu this morning I have other fish to fry (er I mean poach) and am not
opening the above cans of worms any further on ASD. (I amneither an
atheist, a Christian nor a member of a coven, so draw your own
conclusions.) I do have faith that the lovely things in this world are
not accidental.

At this point I leave you to be Plato's eternal Gadfly among our other
members as I don't want to this go tho 101 posts on a non relevant
threads which is your speciality as witnessed in the Chung Chronicles.

Don't want to play today. I need to shop for a new sofa maybe with
nails so I don't become a couch potato.

BFN. Try climbing Mt. Holyoke if you get bored ;-)

--
Diva
*****
The Best Man for the Job May Be A Woman

Carol Frilegh said:

In article <[email hidden]>, M_un Over

Seattle said:

Quoted message said:

>I would disagree. Gluttony, as laid out in the old Testament, is about
>eating more than your fair share. It is tied hand-in-hand with waste.

Ron Ritzman said:

And of course you believe that "2 pounds" is a "fair share".

It's enough to live on. Take what you need, all of what you need but
no more.

Quoted message said:

So for you it is at least partially a moral/religious issue, not just
a health issue.

Sure is.

Quoted message said:

This might partially explain some of the animosity
between you, Dr. Chung, and the "peanut gallery".

Some of it.

Quoted message said:

They're concerned
primarily with weight loss and diabetes control.

Yes and some see the issue of gluttony.

Quoted message said:

To you, it's
partially a philosophical issue of how much food you believe God wants
us to eat on any given day.

Not stuck on a given day as much as whether or not there are repeated
days of overconsumption.

Quoted message said:

Anybody for alt.religion.2pd?

Only if you moderate it.

Quoted message said:

As far as the "waste" issue is concerned, now of days, "waste" is not
what we are eating but what we are throwing away.

Gluttony is about consumption. Making too much food, knowingly and
repeatedly, is wasteful.

Quoted message said:

You could feed a
third world country on what McDonalds puts in their dumpsters.

Yes, perhaps

Quoted message said:

Of
course you could argue that we are producing too much.

Yes, the US does for its own use on most products.

Quoted message said:

What does it
take, about 8 pounds of grain to grow 1 pound of cow?

Fat cows are fine; fat (fe)males are not.

Mu i never thought of you as a sexist pig and presume you feel the sama
about fat males and wonder what happened to "Live and let Live'? last
time I checked this is Diet Support, not "Fat People Abort." Not
everyone subscribes to the party line.

--
Diva
*****
The Best Man for the Job May Be A Woman

You need to understand that Mu_ absolutely must find people to feel superior
to in order to validate his pitiful existence. All we can do is pray that he
has a spiritual awakening - soon.

--
Chuck
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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Prayer in itself is a general issue.

you got to pray to some Other being, don't you?

Quoted message said:

I pray you will understand.

I doubt that.

On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 11:20:13 -0400, Carol Frilegh <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Mu this morning I have other fish to fry (er I mean poach) and am not
opening the above cans of worms any further on ASD. (I amneither an
atheist, a Christian nor a member of a coven, so draw your own
conclusions.)

I draw none.

Quoted message said:

I do have faith that the lovely things in this world are
not accidental.

I still draw none.

Quoted message said:

At this point I leave you to be Plato's eternal Gadfly among our other
members as I don't want to this go tho 101 posts on a non relevant
threads which is your speciality as witnessed in the Chung Chronicles.

That was over 2,000 in two threads "A Brilliant Cardiologist" was the
main one.

Quoted message said:

BFN. Try climbing Mt. Holyoke if you get bored ;-)

You know what they say.

Climb Holyoke, good. climbing on a Holyoke girl, stinky.

http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap031011.html
Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long.

Do we really want to risk (he,she,it) awakening?

I'm suddenly reminded of a old story of reveille being sounded at a insane
asylum . . . . . . .

--
Budd Cochran

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Quoted message said:

Carol Frilegh said:

In article <[email hidden]>, M_un Over

Seattle said:

>>I would disagree. Gluttony, as laid out in the old Testament, is

about

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>>eating more than your fair share. It is tied hand-in-hand with

waste.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 20:16:31 -0400, Ron Ritzman
<[email hidden]> wrote:

>And of course you believe that "2 pounds" is a "fair share".

It's enough to live on. Take what you need, all of what you need but
no more.

>So for you it is at least partially a moral/religious issue, not just
>a health issue.

Sure is.

> This might partially explain some of the animosity
>between you, Dr. Chung, and the "peanut gallery".

Some of it.

>They're concerned
>primarily with weight loss and diabetes control.

Yes and some see the issue of gluttony.

> To you, it's
>partially a philosophical issue of how much food you believe God

wants

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>us to eat on any given day.

Not stuck on a given day as much as whether or not there are repeated
days of overconsumption.

>Anybody for alt.religion.2pd?

Only if you moderate it.

>As far as the "waste" issue is concerned, now of days, "waste" is not
>what we are eating but what we are throwing away.

Gluttony is about consumption. Making too much food, knowingly and
repeatedly, is wasteful.

>You could feed a
>third world country on what McDonalds puts in their dumpsters.

Yes, perhaps

>Of
>course you could argue that we are producing too much.

Yes, the US does for its own use on most products.

>What does it
>take, about 8 pounds of grain to grow 1 pound of cow?

Fat cows are fine; fat (fe)males are not.

Mu i never thought of you as a sexist pig and presume you feel the sama
about fat males and wonder what happened to "Live and let Live'? last
time I checked this is Diet Support, not "Fat People Abort." Not
everyone subscribes to the party line.

--
Diva
*****
The Best Man for the Job May Be A Woman

You need to understand that Mu_ absolutely must find people to feel

superior

Quoted message said:

to in order to validate his pitiful existence. All we can do is pray that

he

Quoted message said:

has a spiritual awakening - soon.

--
Chuck
-ô¿ô-
~

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My wife's computer said:

You need to understand that Mu_ absolutely must find people to feel superior
to in order to validate his pitiful existence.

Sure is easy to find those kinds on ASDiabetes.

Quoted message said:

All we can do is pray that he
has a spiritual awakening - soon.

Had several already.

How is your alcoholism and obesity, btw?

http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap031011.html
Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long.

In article <[email hidden]>, My wife's computer

Quoted message said:

Carol Frilegh said:

In article <[email hidden]>, M_un Over

Seattle said:

>>I would disagree. Gluttony, as laid out in the old Testament, is about
>>eating more than your fair share. It is tied hand-in-hand with waste.

On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 20:16:31 -0400, Ron Ritzman
<[email hidden]> wrote:

>And of course you believe that "2 pounds" is a "fair share".

It's enough to live on. Take what you need, all of what you need but
no more.

>So for you it is at least partially a moral/religious issue, not just
>a health issue.

Sure is.

> This might partially explain some of the animosity
>between you, Dr. Chung, and the "peanut gallery".

Some of it.

>They're concerned
>primarily with weight loss and diabetes control.

Yes and some see the issue of gluttony.

> To you, it's
>partially a philosophical issue of how much food you believe God wants
>us to eat on any given day.

Not stuck on a given day as much as whether or not there are repeated
days of overconsumption.

>Anybody for alt.religion.2pd?

Only if you moderate it.

>As far as the "waste" issue is concerned, now of days, "waste" is not
>what we are eating but what we are throwing away.

Gluttony is about consumption. Making too much food, knowingly and
repeatedly, is wasteful.

>You could feed a
>third world country on what McDonalds puts in their dumpsters.

Yes, perhaps

>Of
>course you could argue that we are producing too much.

Yes, the US does for its own use on most products.

>What does it
>take, about 8 pounds of grain to grow 1 pound of cow?

Fat cows are fine; fat (fe)males are not.

Mu i never thought of you as a sexist pig and presume you feel the sama
about fat males and wonder what happened to "Live and let Live'? last
time I checked this is Diet Support, not "Fat People Abort." Not
everyone subscribes to the party line.

--
Diva
*****
The Best Man for the Job May Be A Woman

You need to understand that Mu_ absolutely must find people to feel superior
to in order to validate his pitiful existence. All we can do is pray that he
has a spiritual awakening - soon.

Looking for love in all the wrong places? :-)

--
Diva
*****
The Best Man for the Job May Be A Woman

M_un Over Seattle said:

My wife's computer said:

You need to understand that Mu_ absolutely must find people to feel superior
to in order to validate his pitiful existence.

Sure is easy to find those kinds on ASDiabetes.

A fool and his message. He confirms the depth of his desperation.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

All we can do is pray that he
has a spiritual awakening - soon.

Had several already.

Apparently none that had anything to do with doing unto others as he
would have them do unto him. Nothing to do with Christianity.

Quoted message said:

How is your alcoholism and obesity, btw?

No matter how it is, true or false, it's better than the sickness in
your soul. Better than the destruction you try to wreak. Better than
everything you offer. Better than you.

Pastorio