Re: Giada

biig said:

Ever think that most of the population isn't as gourmet as many
posters here? For anyone just starting out some of these shows may be
just the ticket.

Then they've lost a large segment of their previous audience by losing
the shows that experienced cooks/diners would be more apt to enjoy. They
seem to have brought the entire schedule down to a lower level of fare.
PBS and a few random other shows found elsewhere must be reaping the
reward of this limited vision as they do provide the variety missing on
FoodTV these days.

On Sun, 25 Mar 2007 10:50:05 -0400, Goomba38 <[email hidden]>

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biig said:

Ever think that most of the population isn't as gourmet as many
posters here? For anyone just starting out some of these shows may be
just the ticket.

Then they've lost a large segment of their previous audience by losing
the shows that experienced cooks/diners would be more apt to enjoy. They
seem to have brought the entire schedule down to a lower level of fare.
PBS and a few random other shows found elsewhere must be reaping the
reward of this limited vision as they do provide the variety missing on
FoodTV these days.

Sadly, the previous Food TV audience was too small (and often too old)
to get Food TV the advertisers they want. They dropped what wasn't hot
and upped and copied what was.

PBS is supported by viewers directly to a great extent, and not nearly
as much by advertising of the sort you see on Food TV. Many of the
programs come in with their own sponsors and these sponsors seek users
of their products in a tight, niche way.

When it is pledge week up here (we have access to 3 PBS stations, NY,
Long Island & NJ, each of them tailors their pledge drive programming
to niche markets. One night they have a program about Jewish
immigration and the lower East Side, the next night it is opera or
ballet, the nest is pitched to animal lovers, another night to
Riverdance or it's latest equivalent, one of them ran a terrific
Polish singing and dance group this past month for pledge. All niche
marketing. 'Tis the way of the world.

There isn't that much of a reward to be reaped by Food TV with serious
cooking programs, if there were, you'd see more of them. It is wholly
market driven, and it is profitable for them that way. Not my cup of
tea, but whatcha gonna do?

Boron

"biig" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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Ever think that most of the population isn't as gourmet as many
posters here?

Ever think that many posters here are totally undeserving of the homage some
give them? The are just a bunch of uncouth yahoo's as well who pick there teeth
at the table..

biig said:

Ever think that most of the population isn't as gourmet as many
posters here? For anyone just starting out some of these shows may be
just the ticket. I don't use unusual ingredients and don't do complex
recipes. I pick and choose which recipe will work for me and my family
and some of them come from these shows. I like "Made to Order", but my
family isn't fond of those type of dishes. They kind of laugh at these
plates shown with a little mound of food in the middle and a stripe of
garnish across the bare spots. I don't do many sauces, since they add
extra fat/sodium/sugar in most cases. I do like Mario Batali.

Have you seen Quick Fix Meals with Robin Miller? That and Easy
Entertaining with that studmuffin, Michael Chiarello, are my two
favorites.

Bobby Flay is ok, but his articulation problem annoys me more than I
like his cooking, if you get my drift. Go to a speech therapist,
Bobby... you can afford it.

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On Sun, 25 Mar 2007 10:50:05 -0400, Goomba38 <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

biig said:

Ever think that most of the population isn't as gourmet as many
posters here? For anyone just starting out some of these shows may be
just the ticket.

Then they've lost a large segment of their previous audience by losing
the shows that experienced cooks/diners would be more apt to enjoy. They
seem to have brought the entire schedule down to a lower level of fare.
PBS and a few random other shows found elsewhere must be reaping the
reward of this limited vision as they do provide the variety missing on
FoodTV these days.

I don't think it's a "lower level". People these days don't want to
make everything from scratch, so these show tell you how to do it
faster. If you want to make the marinara from scratch, no one is
holding a gun to your head saying "open a jar".

OTOH: I'd like to see more shows for beginners. I learned to cook
from Julia Child and The Galloping Gourment (Graham Kerr). When I
think of it, I still turn to Public Television for a dose of Lidia....
who is a fantastic cook and makes it easy for beginners.

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Goomba38 said:

biig said:

Ever think that most of the population isn't as gourmet as many
posters here? For anyone just starting out some of these shows may be
just the ticket.

Then they've lost a large segment of their previous audience by losing
the shows that experienced cooks/diners would be more apt to enjoy. They
seem to have brought the entire schedule down to a lower level of fare.
PBS and a few random other shows found elsewhere must be reaping the
reward of this limited vision as they do provide the variety missing on
FoodTV these days.

I agree with that, but then, they're scheduling for the masses. I'd
also like to see some of the other shows that have been taken off. I
watch the shows on PBS too. Lidia and Ming especially. In Canada, we
don't get Sandra Lee (a blessing from what I've been reading here..lol)
but we do have a few good Canadian shows. Chef at Home is one. He makes
food that isn't too complex. Ricardo and Friends is another....Sharon

sf said:

biig said:

Ever think that most of the population isn't as gourmet as many
posters here? For anyone just starting out some of these shows may be
just the ticket. I don't use unusual ingredients and don't do complex
recipes. I pick and choose which recipe will work for me and my family
and some of them come from these shows. I like "Made to Order", but my
family isn't fond of those type of dishes. They kind of laugh at these
plates shown with a little mound of food in the middle and a stripe of
garnish across the bare spots. I don't do many sauces, since they add
extra fat/sodium/sugar in most cases. I do like Mario Batali.

Have you seen Quick Fix Meals with Robin Miller? That and Easy
Entertaining with that studmuffin, Michael Chiarello, are my two
favorites.

Bobby Flay is ok, but his articulation problem annoys me more than I
like his cooking, if you get my drift. Go to a speech therapist,
Bobby... you can afford it.

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We don't get Robin Miller....Sharon

sf said:

On Sun, 25 Mar 2007 10:50:05 -0400, Goomba38 <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

biig said:

Ever think that most of the population isn't as gourmet as many
posters here? For anyone just starting out some of these shows may be
just the ticket.

Then they've lost a large segment of their previous audience by losing
the shows that experienced cooks/diners would be more apt to enjoy. They
seem to have brought the entire schedule down to a lower level of fare.
PBS and a few random other shows found elsewhere must be reaping the
reward of this limited vision as they do provide the variety missing on
FoodTV these days.

I don't think it's a "lower level". People these days don't want to
make everything from scratch, so these show tell you how to do it
faster. If you want to make the marinara from scratch, no one is
holding a gun to your head saying "open a jar".

OTOH: I'd like to see more shows for beginners. I learned to cook
from Julia Child and The Galloping Gourment (Graham Kerr). When I
think of it, I still turn to Public Television for a dose of Lidia....
who is a fantastic cook and makes it easy for beginners.

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I loved Graham Kerr, but don't get his show here.....Sharon

sf said:

Bobby Flay is ok, but his articulation problem annoys me more than I
like his cooking, if you get my drift. Go to a speech therapist,
Bobby... you can afford it.

LOL.. I never noticed an articulation problem. He sounds fine to me <shrug>
Tyler Florence and Alton Brown are still some of my faves though.

Goomba38 said:

sf said:

Bobby Flay is ok, but his articulation problem annoys me more than I
like his cooking, if you get my drift. Go to a speech therapist,
Bobby... you can afford it.

LOL.. I never noticed an articulation problem. He sounds fine to me <shrug>
Tyler Florence and Alton Brown are still some of my faves though.

Flay has very serious pronunciation problems. He pronounces rs as ws
(e.g., he pronounces "cream" as "cweem"😉, just like Wacko Jacko. And
he completely mangles some words; I've heard him pronounce "customers"
as "cutchmers." He has problems with syntax too. He's the worst
speaker on the channel.

Laura said:

"biig" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Ever think that most of the population isn't as gourmet as many
posters here?

Ever think that many posters here are totally undeserving of the homage some
give them? The are just a bunch of uncouth yahoo's as well who pick there teeth
at the table..

Taking staw from mouth and hayseed from ear..... HUH?

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sf said:

Have you seen Quick Fix Meals with Robin Miller? That and Easy
Entertaining with that studmuffin, Michael Chiarello, are my two
favorites.

I totally gave Quick Fix Meals the benefit of the doubt, and recorded show
after show, but finally came to the conclusion that it's barely a step up
from Semi-Homemade, and has nothing of interest to me.

Quoted message said:

Bobby Flay is ok, but his articulation problem annoys me more than I
like his cooking, if you get my drift. Go to a speech therapist,
Bobby... you can afford it.

I think Bobby Flay is finally starting to loosen up. I saw him as a guest on
"Emeril Live," and actually enjoyed the show for once. Despite his
reputation as a one-trick Southwestern pony, on "Iron Chef America" I've
seen him come up with very innovative dishes borrowing from many different
cuisines. I like him more these days than I did in the past. (Comment on
his articulation follows in a later post.)

Bob

Sharon said:

I agree with that, but then, they're scheduling for the masses. I'd
also like to see some of the other shows that have been taken off. I
watch the shows on PBS too. Lidia and Ming especially. In Canada, we
don't get Sandra Lee (a blessing from what I've been reading here..lol)
but we do have a few good Canadian shows. Chef at Home is one. He makes
food that isn't too complex. Ricardo and Friends is another....Sharon

On PBS I watch America's Test Kitchen and sometimes Martin Yan's Chinatown.
Every now and then I watch the old episodes of East Meets West or Epicurious
on the Travel Channel. On the Food Network, I read the previews and if they
interest me I'll record any of the following: Essence of Emeril, Good Eats,
Everyday Italian, Molto Mario, 30-Minute Meals, and Guy's Big Bite. On rare
occasions I'll watch episodes of Sara's Secrets or the Surreal Gourmet. I
always enjoy watching Iron Chef America. I watched Dinner: Impossible a few
times and decided that it wasn't for me.

Bob

Kyle said:

Flay has very serious pronunciation problems. He pronounces rs as ws
(e.g., he pronounces "cream" as "cweem"😉, just like Wacko Jacko. And
he completely mangles some words; I've heard him pronounce "customers"
as "cutchmers." He has problems with syntax too. He's the worst
speaker on the channel.

A couple other Flay-isms:

Chipotle = "chi-PO-to-lay"
Molcajete = "mole-a-call-HELL-ta-lay"

I got a kick out of last year's summer ad campaign where Flay could be heard
to jubilantly say, "We're gwillin' and chillin'!"

Bob

"Bob Terwilliger" <virtualgoth@die_spammer.biz> wrote

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On PBS I watch America's Test Kitchen and sometimes Martin Yan's
Chinatown.
Every now and then I watch the old episodes of East Meets West or
Epicurious
on the Travel Channel. On the Food Network, I read the previews and if
they
interest me I'll record any of the following: Essence of Emeril, Good
Eats,
Everyday Italian, Molto Mario, 30-Minute Meals, and Guy's Big Bite. On
rare
occasions I'll watch episodes of Sara's Secrets or the Surreal Gourmet. I
always enjoy watching Iron Chef America. I watched Dinner: Impossible a
few
times and decided that it wasn't for me.

I don't watch many actual cooking shows any more. I do record
America's Test Kitchen every day, but I might stop doing that as I think
I've seen them all. I should make more of an effort to watch Lidia.
I like Guy's Big Bite, Hearty Boys. Tyler's Ultimate, Ellie Kreiger.
Throwdown. I'm sure I'm missing a few.

I did enjoy the couple of Food Network Unwrapped shows ... not to be
confused with Unwrapped, alone, they are behind-the-scenes shows about
making FoodTV shows. If you like Iron Chef that is one of the shows they
covered in Food Network Unwrapped 2 which I just saw today. Might
learn something about the making of the show.

I find the chefographies interesting, but they aren't cooking shows. Same
with Ace of Cakes, it's amusing but hardly cooking. I don't even know if
the
cakes they make are all that edible. I like Recipe for Success and that
restaurant redo shows, but they aren't cooking shows, either.

nancy

In no particular order:

River Cottage/Cook on the Wild Side (Hugh Fearnley-Whittingstall)
The Best (Silvana Franco, Paul Merrett, Ben O'Donoghue)
Food Lover's Guide to Australia/Food Safari (Maeve O'Meara, Joanna Savill)
Hairy Bikers' Cookbook (Dave Myers, Si King)
A Cook's Tour/No Reservations (Tony Bourdain)
Iron Chef (Japanese version)
Surfing the Menu (Ben O'Donoghue, Curtis Stone)
and various shows by Rick Stein, Delia Smith, Jamie Oliver and Nick Nairn

I'm sure I've forgotten some...

K

On Sun, 25 Mar 2007 23:05:10 -0400, "Nancy Young" <[email hidden]>

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I did enjoy the couple of Food Network Unwrapped shows ... not to be
confused with Unwrapped, alone, they are behind-the-scenes shows about
making FoodTV shows.

Well, you just blew me out of the water.... I didn't know the
difference.

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That's an easy one: zilch.

S.

Amarantha said:

In no particular order:

River Cottage/Cook on the Wild Side (Hugh Fearnley-Whittingstall)
The Best (Silvana Franco, Paul Merrett, Ben O'Donoghue)
Food Lover's Guide to Australia/Food Safari (Maeve O'Meara, Joanna Savill)
Hairy Bikers' Cookbook (Dave Myers, Si King)
A Cook's Tour/No Reservations (Tony Bourdain)
Iron Chef (Japanese version)
Surfing the Menu (Ben O'Donoghue, Curtis Stone)
and various shows by Rick Stein, Delia Smith, Jamie Oliver and Nick Nairn

I'm sure I've forgotten some...

I only recognize Jamie Oliver. <sigh> Some day I'll make it to
Australia and New Zealand.

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