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Armstrong has been the most frequently tested athlete in the world and
has yet to come back with a positive, confirmed result even once.
has yet to come back with a positive, confirmed result even once.
Re: In today's L'Equipe: Armstrong took EPO
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B. Lafferty
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<[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Armstrong has been the most frequently tested athlete in the world and
> has yet to come back with a positive, confirmed result even once.
>
ROTFL!
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> Armstrong has been the most frequently tested athlete in the world and
> has yet to come back with a positive, confirmed result even once.
>
ROTFL!
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Rico X. Partay
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[email protected] wrote:
> Armstrong has been the most frequently tested athlete in
> the world and has yet to come back with a positive,
> confirmed result even once.
Until now, you mean.
> Armstrong has been the most frequently tested athlete in
> the world and has yet to come back with a positive,
> confirmed result even once.
Until now, you mean.
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Bob Schwartz
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In rec.bicycles.racing [email protected] wrote:
> Armstrong has been the most frequently tested athlete in the world and
> has yet to come back with a positive, confirmed result even once.
You know, I wonder if Virenque was tested more frequently than LANCE.
LANCE has been tested lots in July, but infrequently during other
parts of the year. And he had gaps. Virenque raced more and for a
longer period of time. And with no gaps.
Virenque, unlike LANCE, never came back with a positive, confirmed
result. LANCE had one with the butt cream.
Based on that argument you'd have to say that LANCE is at least as
clean as Virenque. Or Musseuw, who was also tested a ton over a
longer career.
Bob Schwartz
[email protected]
> Armstrong has been the most frequently tested athlete in the world and
> has yet to come back with a positive, confirmed result even once.
You know, I wonder if Virenque was tested more frequently than LANCE.
LANCE has been tested lots in July, but infrequently during other
parts of the year. And he had gaps. Virenque raced more and for a
longer period of time. And with no gaps.
Virenque, unlike LANCE, never came back with a positive, confirmed
result. LANCE had one with the butt cream.
Based on that argument you'd have to say that LANCE is at least as
clean as Virenque. Or Musseuw, who was also tested a ton over a
longer career.
Bob Schwartz
[email protected]
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B. Lafferty
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"Bob Schwartz" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> In rec.bicycles.racing [email protected] wrote:
>> Armstrong has been the most frequently tested athlete in the world and
>> has yet to come back with a positive, confirmed result even once.
>
> You know, I wonder if Virenque was tested more frequently than LANCE.
> LANCE has been tested lots in July, but infrequently during other
> parts of the year. And he had gaps. Virenque raced more and for a
> longer period of time. And with no gaps.
>
> Virenque, unlike LANCE, never came back with a positive, confirmed
> result. LANCE had one with the butt cream.
Of course his Rx was not on file at the time of the test and yet he received
no sanction. IIRC, the substance in the butt cream was not what he came up
positive for.
>
> Based on that argument you'd have to say that LANCE is at least as
> clean as Virenque. Or Musseuw, who was also tested a ton over a
> longer career.
>
> Bob Schwartz
> [email protected]
news:[email protected]...
> In rec.bicycles.racing [email protected] wrote:
>> Armstrong has been the most frequently tested athlete in the world and
>> has yet to come back with a positive, confirmed result even once.
>
> You know, I wonder if Virenque was tested more frequently than LANCE.
> LANCE has been tested lots in July, but infrequently during other
> parts of the year. And he had gaps. Virenque raced more and for a
> longer period of time. And with no gaps.
>
> Virenque, unlike LANCE, never came back with a positive, confirmed
> result. LANCE had one with the butt cream.
Of course his Rx was not on file at the time of the test and yet he received
no sanction. IIRC, the substance in the butt cream was not what he came up
positive for.
>
> Based on that argument you'd have to say that LANCE is at least as
> clean as Virenque. Or Musseuw, who was also tested a ton over a
> longer career.
>
> Bob Schwartz
> [email protected]
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Bob Schwartz
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In rec.bicycles.racing Rico X. Partay <[email protected]> wrote:
> [email protected] wrote:
>> Armstrong has been the most frequently tested athlete in
>> the world and has yet to come back with a positive,
>> confirmed result even once.
> Until now, you mean.
Except for the part about 'confirmed' which isn't possible.
But he did miss the butt cream positive.
Bob Schwartz
[email protected]
> [email protected] wrote:
>> Armstrong has been the most frequently tested athlete in
>> the world and has yet to come back with a positive,
>> confirmed result even once.
> Until now, you mean.
Except for the part about 'confirmed' which isn't possible.
But he did miss the butt cream positive.
Bob Schwartz
[email protected]
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Tom Nakashima
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"Bob Schwartz" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In rec.bicycles.racing [email protected] wrote:
>> Armstrong has been the most frequently tested athlete in the world and
>> has yet to come back with a positive, confirmed result even once.
>
> You know, I wonder if Virenque was tested more frequently than LANCE.
> LANCE has been tested lots in July, but infrequently during other
> parts of the year. And he had gaps. Virenque raced more and for a
> longer period of time. And with no gaps.
>
> Virenque, unlike LANCE, never came back with a positive, confirmed
> result. LANCE had one with the butt cream.
>
> Based on that argument you'd have to say that LANCE is at least as
> clean as Virenque. Or Musseuw, who was also tested a ton over a
> longer career.
>
> Bob Schwartz
> [email protected]
Although Virenque never got caught with his hands directly in the cookie
jar, just days before the start of the 1998 Tour, a Festina Team car was
busted for having 400 doses of performance-enhancing drugs. The entire team
was later ousted from the race.
-tom
news:[email protected]...
> In rec.bicycles.racing [email protected] wrote:
>> Armstrong has been the most frequently tested athlete in the world and
>> has yet to come back with a positive, confirmed result even once.
>
> You know, I wonder if Virenque was tested more frequently than LANCE.
> LANCE has been tested lots in July, but infrequently during other
> parts of the year. And he had gaps. Virenque raced more and for a
> longer period of time. And with no gaps.
>
> Virenque, unlike LANCE, never came back with a positive, confirmed
> result. LANCE had one with the butt cream.
>
> Based on that argument you'd have to say that LANCE is at least as
> clean as Virenque. Or Musseuw, who was also tested a ton over a
> longer career.
>
> Bob Schwartz
> [email protected]
Although Virenque never got caught with his hands directly in the cookie
jar, just days before the start of the 1998 Tour, a Festina Team car was
busted for having 400 doses of performance-enhancing drugs. The entire team
was later ousted from the race.
-tom
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alex
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And was that even accurate. He may have been tested frequently in
competition, but it seems he was extremely rarely tested out of competitiona
and surprise checks were even more unfrequent (at least this is what was
reported in Tour magazine a few months ago).
Does anybody has any data about how many times the US federation has tested
Lance while he and his buddies were/are in Girona oe in the US ffor that
matter?
"Rico X. Partay" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> [email protected] wrote:
>> Armstrong has been the most frequently tested athlete in
>> the world and has yet to come back with a positive,
>> confirmed result even once.
>
>
> Until now, you mean.
>
>
competition, but it seems he was extremely rarely tested out of competitiona
and surprise checks were even more unfrequent (at least this is what was
reported in Tour magazine a few months ago).
Does anybody has any data about how many times the US federation has tested
Lance while he and his buddies were/are in Girona oe in the US ffor that
matter?
"Rico X. Partay" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> [email protected] wrote:
>> Armstrong has been the most frequently tested athlete in
>> the world and has yet to come back with a positive,
>> confirmed result even once.
>
>
> Until now, you mean.
>
>
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Pat
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"alex" <[email protected]> : And was that even accurate. He may have
been tested frequently in
: competition, but it seems he was extremely rarely tested out of
competitiona
: and surprise checks were even more unfrequent (at least this is what was
: reported in Tour magazine a few months ago).
:
: Does anybody has any data about how many times the US federation has
tested
: Lance while he and his buddies were/are in Girona oe in the US ffor that
: matter?
I believe you're wrong about him not being tested throughout the year. He
has mentioned in his book and even in the last few days about how many times
he was suddenly surprised with someone wanting blood and urine for tests.
Pat in TX
been tested frequently in
: competition, but it seems he was extremely rarely tested out of
competitiona
: and surprise checks were even more unfrequent (at least this is what was
: reported in Tour magazine a few months ago).
:
: Does anybody has any data about how many times the US federation has
tested
: Lance while he and his buddies were/are in Girona oe in the US ffor that
: matter?
I believe you're wrong about him not being tested throughout the year. He
has mentioned in his book and even in the last few days about how many times
he was suddenly surprised with someone wanting blood and urine for tests.
Pat in TX
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Bob Schwartz
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In rec.bicycles.racing alex <[email protected]> wrote:
> Does anybody has any data about how many times the US federation has tested
> Lance while he and his buddies were/are in Girona oe in the US ffor that
> matter?
You can look up test statistics for the USADA:
http://www.usantidoping.org/what/stats/history.aspx
It doesn't differentiate between competitive and out of
competition tests. But LANCE had to pee for them...
2001 - 2
2002 - 1
2003 - 1
2004 - 4
2005 - 2
Bob Schwartz
[email protected]
> Does anybody has any data about how many times the US federation has tested
> Lance while he and his buddies were/are in Girona oe in the US ffor that
> matter?
You can look up test statistics for the USADA:
http://www.usantidoping.org/what/stats/history.aspx
It doesn't differentiate between competitive and out of
competition tests. But LANCE had to pee for them...
2001 - 2
2002 - 1
2003 - 1
2004 - 4
2005 - 2
Bob Schwartz
[email protected]
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bikeguy11968
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The early tests indicated nothing since the early tests could not find
EPO. Now tests can, and samples are being retroactively tested to see
what's going on. Personally, I think he and other cyclists are staying
ahead of the curve by doping with substances that the UCI doesn't have
tests for yet.
I'm also concerned by the possibilities of this result. Sure, if he
did it, he did it. whatever. get on with life. But if he attempts to
hold to his "I didn't do it" theory, or say it was for his dog, mom,
butt cream, whatever, and challenge these findings in court, it puts
the entire process at risk. Any athlete will then appeal the results
of positive test and have them kicked in court. It's a very dangerous
precedent. Let's remember, this isn't baseball. There is much more at
stake than a 3 week suspension like buddy form the orioles got. Tyler
got 2 years.. That's huge.. baseball players get weeks... Cyclists I
think will go to much greater lengths to cover up as entire careers are
at stake, not a few weeks off.
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EPO. Now tests can, and samples are being retroactively tested to see
what's going on. Personally, I think he and other cyclists are staying
ahead of the curve by doping with substances that the UCI doesn't have
tests for yet.
I'm also concerned by the possibilities of this result. Sure, if he
did it, he did it. whatever. get on with life. But if he attempts to
hold to his "I didn't do it" theory, or say it was for his dog, mom,
butt cream, whatever, and challenge these findings in court, it puts
the entire process at risk. Any athlete will then appeal the results
of positive test and have them kicked in court. It's a very dangerous
precedent. Let's remember, this isn't baseball. There is much more at
stake than a 3 week suspension like buddy form the orioles got. Tyler
got 2 years.. That's huge.. baseball players get weeks... Cyclists I
think will go to much greater lengths to cover up as entire careers are
at stake, not a few weeks off.
m
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Stu Fleming
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bikeguy11968 wrote:
> stake than a 3 week suspension like buddy form the orioles got. Tyler
> got 2 years.. That's huge.. baseball players get weeks... Cyclists I
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> stake than a 3 week suspension like buddy form the orioles got. Tyler
> got 2 years.. That's huge.. baseball players get weeks... Cyclists I
Anyone running a sweep on the time and content of the next update at
www.tylerhamilton.com ?
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Web and database hosting, Co-location. Web: http://www.wic.co.nz
Software development. Email: [email protected]
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Chris Neary
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>I believe you're wrong about him not being tested throughout the year. He
>has mentioned in his book and even in the last few days about how many times
>he was suddenly surprised with someone wanting blood and urine for tests.
You're probably right about this.
Riders are required to keep the appropriate anti-doping authority (WADA or
the U.S. affiliate, I don't remember which) up to date on their whereabouts,
and representatives can appear at your doorstep at any time requesting a
specimens.
The key aspect is not the # of tests, but the inability to predict *when*
you will be tested.
Chris Neary
[email protected]
"Science, freedom, beauty, adventure: what more could
you ask of life? Bicycling combined all the elements I
loved" - Adapted from a quotation by Charles Lindbergh
>has mentioned in his book and even in the last few days about how many times
>he was suddenly surprised with someone wanting blood and urine for tests.
You're probably right about this.
Riders are required to keep the appropriate anti-doping authority (WADA or
the U.S. affiliate, I don't remember which) up to date on their whereabouts,
and representatives can appear at your doorstep at any time requesting a
specimens.
The key aspect is not the # of tests, but the inability to predict *when*
you will be tested.
Chris Neary
[email protected]
"Science, freedom, beauty, adventure: what more could
you ask of life? Bicycling combined all the elements I
loved" - Adapted from a quotation by Charles Lindbergh
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Tim Campbell
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There are intra-muscular performance enhancing drugs now that remain
in the muscle; never move into the bloodstream and are only detectable
by way of a tissue biopsy...
in the muscle; never move into the bloodstream and are only detectable
by way of a tissue biopsy...
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Tim Campbell
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Steve wrote:
> Haven't we heard enough about him this century?
> Who cares?
> Steve
I for one care; especially if he attempts to parlay ill-gotten wealth
and fame into a political career. Then again he wouldn't be the first
to do this, I suppose.
....and of course, politics itself is usually about further accumulation
of ill-gotten wealth and power...
> Haven't we heard enough about him this century?
> Who cares?
> Steve
I for one care; especially if he attempts to parlay ill-gotten wealth
and fame into a political career. Then again he wouldn't be the first
to do this, I suppose.
....and of course, politics itself is usually about further accumulation
of ill-gotten wealth and power...
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jj
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On 25 Aug 2005 09:49:34 -0700, "Tim Campbell" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>
>There are intra-muscular performance enhancing drugs now that remain
>in the muscle; never move into the bloodstream and are only detectable
>by way of a tissue biopsy...
Time release anabolics? Time release buffers (to help decrease local
lactate levels?) Cellular oxygen enhancers?
Got a link or more info?
jj
wrote:
>
>There are intra-muscular performance enhancing drugs now that remain
>in the muscle; never move into the bloodstream and are only detectable
>by way of a tissue biopsy...
Time release anabolics? Time release buffers (to help decrease local
lactate levels?) Cellular oxygen enhancers?
Got a link or more info?
jj
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Zoot Katz
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24 Aug 2005 19:12:15 -0700,
<[email protected]>,
"bikeguy11968" <[email protected]> wrote, in part:
>I'm also concerned by the possibilities of this result. Sure, if he
>did it, he did it. whatever. get on with life. But if he attempts to
>hold to his "I didn't do it" theory, or say it was for his dog, mom,
>butt cream, whatever, and challenge these findings in court, it puts
>the entire process at risk.
I wonder if Dr. Ferrari is working on a cocktail for beating polygraph
tests too. Because I doubt Lance would submit to one unless he knew he
could get away with cheating.
--
zk
<[email protected]>,
"bikeguy11968" <[email protected]> wrote, in part:
>I'm also concerned by the possibilities of this result. Sure, if he
>did it, he did it. whatever. get on with life. But if he attempts to
>hold to his "I didn't do it" theory, or say it was for his dog, mom,
>butt cream, whatever, and challenge these findings in court, it puts
>the entire process at risk.
I wonder if Dr. Ferrari is working on a cocktail for beating polygraph
tests too. Because I doubt Lance would submit to one unless he knew he
could get away with cheating.
--
zk
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