Re: most common repairs

Peter Cole said:

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Any city whose chief industry is catering to college
students at a heavily subsidized state university is likely
to have a philosophy and wisdom reflecting that of its
13th-grade employers.

Aren't the "employers" the administration of the university? In that
case, wouldn't it be fairer to describe them as 16th(+) grade
employers? What's the mean grade level of your town's employers
(assuming you don't live in Boulder)? Is lower better?

Dear Peter,

Er, are you suggesting that the administrators "employ" the
college students who pay them (even with heavy subsidies)
thousands of dollars?

Usually, employers pay workers, not the other way around.

Carl Fogel

Quoted message said:

Peter Cole said:

Quoted message said:

Any city whose chief industry is catering to college
students at a heavily subsidized state university is likely
to have a philosophy and wisdom reflecting that of its
13th-grade employers.

Aren't the "employers" the administration of the university? In that
case, wouldn't it be fairer to describe them as 16th(+) grade
employers? What's the mean grade level of your town's employers
(assuming you don't live in Boulder)? Is lower better?

Dear Peter,

Er, are you suggesting that the administrators "employ" the
college students who pay them (even with heavy subsidies)
thousands of dollars?

Usually, employers pay workers, not the other way around.

Here in Boston higher education is a huge industry. Virtually all of
the schools in this town are well-endowed private institutions. "Town
vs. gown" conflicts are not unknown, but to suggest the students have
any political clout at all is humorous. In towns where state
universities are dominant entities, it's even more laughable. That's
like saying the inmates run prison towns.

Peter Cole said:

Quoted message said:

Peter Cole said:

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> Any city whose chief industry is catering to college
> students at a heavily subsidized state university is likely
> to have a philosophy and wisdom reflecting that of its
> 13th-grade employers.

Aren't the "employers" the administration of the university? In that
case, wouldn't it be fairer to describe them as 16th(+) grade
employers? What's the mean grade level of your town's employers
(assuming you don't live in Boulder)? Is lower better?

Dear Peter,

Er, are you suggesting that the administrators "employ" the
college students who pay them (even with heavy subsidies)
thousands of dollars?

Usually, employers pay workers, not the other way around.

Here in Boston higher education is a huge industry. Virtually all of
the schools in this town are well-endowed private institutions. "Town
vs. gown" conflicts are not unknown, but to suggest the students have
any political clout at all is humorous. In towns where state
universities are dominant entities, it's even more laughable. That's
like saying the inmates run prison towns.

Dear Peter,

Somehow I doubt that one-third of the roughly half-million
population of Boston proper is attending college and
expecting to leave after four years of residence.

But that's the case in Boulder--the city population in
winter is about 90,000, including about 30,000 students and
6,750+ university employees. At 18 or older, they can all
vote and often do.

Boulder is physically separated from Denver, which is hardly
the case in the Boston area. Harvard, for example, is not in
Boston, despite what visitors from Colorado may think.
Harvard is in Cambridge, a much smaller city that it
dominates.

Boston has a bay, an international airport, and considerable
industry. Boulder has the University of Colorado and not
much else:

http://www.ci.boulder.co.us/comm/history/

The inmates, employees, employers--whatever you want to call
the huge student population--do indeed exercise considerable
influence in Boulder. Much of the older population,
particularly in city and county government consists of CU
alumni.

By happy chance, here's the main headline from the
04-08-2005 edition of the Boulder newspaper:

"TIME TO VOTE A comprehensive preview of the upcoming UCSU
elections" [the reader is referred to a special 3-page
section on the university's elections]

http://www.coloradodaily.com/

Both of the editorials are also on school matters, most news
articles are about college students, and so on.

Here's a newspaper from another Colorado city of about
100,000 people:

http://www.chieftain.com/

Compare them for a few days, and you'll probably be able to
see which one covers a town overwhelmingly dominated by a
university.

Carl Fogel

On 8 Apr 2005 06:08:11 -0700, "Peter Cole" <[email hidden]>

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Werehatrack said:

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Any city whose chief industry is catering to college
students at a heavily subsidized state university is likely
to have a philosophy and wisdom reflecting that of its
13th-grade employers.

Blame also should be laid at the feet of the fools who fail to
remember that the real purpose of a university was supposed to be
academic education, not providing bread and circuses.

http://www.instantattitudes.com/gifs/bs473.gif

Virtually the entire purpose of university football/sports is to
encourage alumni donations. It works splendidly. The culprits are the
graduates who are old enough to have made their pile. I figure it's
their bread, let them have their circus.

A team of accountants examined the books of something like fifteen
major universities a few years back and discovered that for the
majority of the schools (over 80%, IIRC) the long term effect of
alumni donations in support of sports was a net loss for the
university. The sports programs and infrastructure gobble cash year
round, whether they're winning (or playing) or not; the *regular*
alumni donations tend to be insufficient to meet the day-to-day needs,
and the *special* ones merely get blown on expanding the palaces in
the quest for ever greater prestige. It's a false economy to seek
funds for a university for reasons other than education.
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Neil Brooks said:

Vee said:

Qui si parla Campagnolo said:

A experienced, good wheelbuilder is tough to find even here in the
'republic', where I can count on one hand the decent wheelbuilders

here.

What do you mean by the republic?

Time to bring back your signature, Peter. Not that heinous .vcf
pop-up-Peter attachment [censored] either. Just the straight sig.

Maybe it'll result in you reverting to your old style of posting.
Maybe it wasn't AOHell's fault after all....

Got rid of the vcard thing but I'll be durned if I can figure out how to
put a signature at the end of my posts...I use Mozilla Thunderbird.

I write the sig on the 'account tools and settings' thingy but it
doesn't show up on my posts..more 'puter mysterys.

Quoted message said:

Much of the older population,
particularly in city and county government consists of CU
alumni.

Yes, I think this is more the source of the liberalism you decry,
rather than the student body per se. In MA college towns (like UMass
Amherst) it seems almost every person over early 20's in age is an
alumni.

Peter Cole said:

Quoted message said:

Much of the older population,
particularly in city and county government consists of CU
alumni.

Yes, I think this is more the source of the liberalism you decry,
rather than the student body per se. In MA college towns (like UMass
Amherst) it seems almost every person over early 20's in age is an
alumni.

Dear Peter,

You may be reading more into my posts than is there.

Carl Fogel

On Wed, 6 Apr 2005 15:15:44 -0400, "Michael Dart" <[email hidden]>

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Most diffucult and most ignored, good wheelbuilding. Many people build
wheels, not a lot of 'wheelbuilders'.

Just curious. What separates them?

Swagger.
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