Re: Natural 'cures' can be killers (contd)

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Subject: Re: Natural 'cures' can be killers (contd)
From: [email hidden] (Carole)
Date: 9/5/2003 6:12 PM Pacific Daylight Time
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And where did you find out all this information?

hmmm...first semester biology text

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Have you ever taken
potassium tablets yourself,

yep...only when taking diuretics tho..and potassium chloride works just
fine....as the potassium inside the cells is in the chloride form

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read up on how a
proper colon is supposed to work.

I don't have to "read up"...have been practicing such for 35 years..

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They're not supposed to have bowel
pockets, be distended or be misshapen which only happens after many
years of faulty living.

if you are referring to the small pockets present in some over
50's...diverticulosis...the "theory" as even the experts can't say exactly
why...is that they form after many years of the muscular action needed to
expel solid wastes..some folks simply have "weak" areas of the bowel
wall....surely constipation and low fiber diets can contribute to this...
'however..divertics are NOT serious...

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auto-intoxication which means that the cells

auto intoxication is not a word that exists in first rate med school

texts..it

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is a word invented to scare folks like you...

actually..if auto intoxication did exist...life probably would not survive
long..

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Cells are dependent on their environment

that is true...again..healthy kidneys,,lungs..livers are what one needs...
.>pharmaceutical business wouldn't want

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this information become widely known, it might threaten their billion
dollar profits. According to them and their brand of witch-doctoring,
only a genuine patented, "safe",

funny....alties don't "count" the billions of dollars spent..mostly

wasted...on

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the potions, supplements and "witch doctoring" that they pander..

yikes....this lady is as sick as Jan

My money is on this lady being healthy. As for you....I'm betting on sick!!

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Subject: Re: Natural 'cures' can be killers (contd)
From: "Dave" [email hidden]
Date: 9/9/2003 1:33 PM Pacific Daylight Time
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yikes....this lady is as sick as Jan

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My money is on this lady being healthy. As for you....I'm betting on sick!!

Janny healthy??? hardly....ask her why she takes Neurontin and Elavil??

me...healthy as a horse...

hawki

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Subject: Re: Natural 'cures' can be killers (contd)
From: "Dave" [email hidden]
Date: 9/9/2003 1:33 PM Pacific Daylight Time
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yikes....this lady is as sick as Jan

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My money is on this lady being healthy. As for you....I'm betting on

sick!!

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Janny healthy??? hardly....ask her why she takes Neurontin and Elavil??

me...healthy as a horse...>

Smart as one too!

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Subject: Re: Natural 'cures' can be killers (contd)
From: [email hidden] (Carole)
Date: 9/5/2003 6:12 PM Pacific Daylight Time
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And where did you find out all this information?

hmmm...first semester biology text

Ever stop to think that the basics of cellular nutrition aren't taught
because they don't support the agenda of the pharm companies which is
total dominaton of the health market? No that would be too simple for
you.

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Have you ever taken
potassium tablets yourself,

yep...only when taking diuretics tho..and potassium chloride works just
fine....as the potassium inside the cells is in the chloride form

I've got news for you. Potassium chloride is only ONE of the three
potassium cellsalts that performs a vital function. The action of
cellsalts and how they work, what actions they perform in the body has
been suppressed by the conventional medicine. They will either deny
they work, say the public doesn't need that level of information, see
your doctor if you have a problem, or say they are dangerous. Anything
to get people off treating their problems with nutritional therapies.
The other two cellsalts are potassium phosphate and sulphate and if
you need potassium you should take chelated potassium which provides
the three in a total potassium tablet.

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read up on how a
proper colon is supposed to work.

I don't have to "read up"...have been practicing such for 35 years..

What, when you go to the little men's room? Ha, ha.

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They're not supposed to have bowel
pockets, be distended or be misshapen which only happens after many
years of faulty living.

if you are referring to the small pockets present in some over
50's...diverticulosis...the "theory" as even the experts can't say exactly
why...is that they form after many years of the muscular action needed to
expel solid wastes..some folks simply have "weak" areas of the bowel
wall....surely constipation and low fiber diets can contribute to this...
'however..divertics are NOT serious...

Yes, experts can never really tell us all that much about anything
much but one thing they can be damn sure of is that you must have the
right pharmaceutical product for every condition.

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auto-intoxication which means that the cells

auto intoxication is not a word that exists in first rate med school texts..it
is a word invented to scare folks like you...

It is a word that is suppressed out of the modern language. They don't
like the term "auto intoxication" because it gets people thinking too
much. No they'd just prefer it if you lobbed up to your friendly GP
who has been trained to give them the pharmaceutical products they
need for every condition, the more chronic the better.

Auto-intoxication means self poisoning which is what happens when the
cells and the bloodstream get overloaded with waste products and
acids, which are the result of digestion and cell metabolism, and they
can't get rid of them. They need the right nutritients to be able to
operate.

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actually..if auto intoxication did exist...life probably would not survive
long..

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Cells are dependent on their environment

that is true...again..healthy kidneys,,lungs..livers are what one needs...
.>pharmaceutical business wouldn't want

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this information become widely known, it might threaten their billion
dollar profits. According to them and their brand of witch-doctoring,
only a genuine patented, "safe",

funny....alties don't "count" the billions of dollars spent..mostly wasted...on
the potions, supplements and "witch doctoring" that they pander..

No but they do note that the fourth leading cause of death in the US
is properly prescribed pharmaceutical products.

Side effects of pharmaceuticals affect 1 in 4
http://friendsoffreedom.org/article.php?sid=1469
Side effects from prescription medicines plague one in four patients.

Carole
http://www.austarmetro.com.au/~hubbca/pharm.htm

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Subject: Re: Natural 'cures' can be killers (contd)
From: [email hidden] (Carole)
Date: 9/11/2003 11:40 AM Pacific Daylight Time
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No but they do note that the fourth leading cause of death in the US
is properly prescribed pharmaceutical products.

source please??

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Side effects of pharmaceuticals affect 1 in 4
http://friendsoffreedom.org/article.php?sid=1469
Side effects from prescription

"usually mild"

ie..maybe a headache...etc

hardly "death"

hawki

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Subject: Re: Natural 'cures' can be killers (contd)
From: [email hidden] (Carole)
Date: 9/11/2003 11:40 AM Pacific Daylight Time
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'however..divertics are NOT serious...

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Yes, experts can never really tell us all that much about anything
much but one thing they can be damn sure of is that you must have the
right pharmaceutical product for every condition.

funny...but for symptomatic diverticulosis..the only recommendation is for more
fiber and water...hardly a pharma

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I don't have to "read up"...have been practicing such for 35 years..

What, when you go to the little men's room? Ha, ha.

ha ha ha...not a man

no...have been doing colon scope exams...and YOUR expertise?? or "actual
experience" as Janny like to say is WHAT??

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The action of
cellsalts and how they work, what actions they perform in the body has
been suppressed by the conventiona

oh...of course...but YOU know the truth?? right

again..HOW many actual patients do you have "actual experience " treating??

none

hawki

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Subject: Re: Natural 'cures' can be killers (contd)
From: [email hidden] (Carole)
Date: 9/5/2003 6:12 PM Pacific Daylight Time
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And where did you find out all this information?

hmmm...first semester biology text

Ever stop to think that the basics of cellular nutrition aren't taught
because they don't support the agenda of the pharm companies which is
total dominaton of the health market? No that would be too simple for
you.

Wrong. They want to have world domination led my Ernst Stavro Blofeld!

snip

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Yes, experts can never really tell us all that much about anything
much but one thing they can be damn sure of is that you must have the
right pharmaceutical product for every condition.

I wodner why we call them experts?

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auto-intoxication which means that the cells

auto intoxication is not a word that exists in first rate med school

texts..it

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is a word invented to scare folks like you...

It is a word that is suppressed out of the modern language. They don't
like the term "auto intoxication" because it gets people thinking too
much. No they'd just prefer it if you lobbed up to your friendly GP
who has been trained to give them the pharmaceutical products they
need for every condition, the more chronic the better.

BWHAHAHAHAHAHA

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Auto-intoxication means self poisoning which is what happens when the
cells and the bloodstream get overloaded with waste products and
acids, which are the result of digestion and cell metabolism, and they
can't get rid of them. They need the right nutritients to be able to
operate.

Taught at the rb School of Anatomy

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Subject: Re: Natural 'cures' can be killers (contd)
From: [email hidden] (Carole)
Date: 9/5/2003 6:12 PM Pacific Daylight Time
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And where did you find out all this information?

hmmm...first semester biology text

Ever stop to think that the basics of cellular nutrition aren't taught
because they don't support the agenda of the pharm companies which is
total dominaton of the health market? No that would be too simple for
you.

Ever stop to think that your being totally ignorant of physics,
chemistry, biology, and every other science makes you completely
incompetent to evaluate the validity of anything?

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I've got news for you. Potassium chloride is only ONE of the three
potassium cellsalts that performs a vital function. The action of
cellsalts and how they work, what actions they perform in the body has
been suppressed by the conventional medicine.

If that were really the case, you'd never have found out about them
either. So far, you've failed to demonstrate anything that would
prove the efficacy of cellsalts. Can't even get rid of head lice.

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auto intoxication is not a word that exists in first rate med
school texts..it is a word invented to scare folks like you...

It is a word that is suppressed out of the modern language. They don't
like the term "auto intoxication" because it gets people thinking too
much. No they'd just prefer it if you lobbed up to your friendly GP
who has been trained to give them the pharmaceutical products they
need for every condition, the more chronic the better.

Auto-intoxication means self poisoning which is what happens when the
cells and the bloodstream get overloaded with waste products and
acids, which are the result of digestion and cell metabolism, and they
can't get rid of them. They need the right nutritients to be able to
operate.

How silly. Were that true, nobody would be healthy. Nobody would
ever have been healthy and the human race would never have gotten
started, completely unable to defend itself from hazards.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

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Carole said:

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funny....alties don't "count" the billions of dollars spent..mostly
wasted...on the potions, supplements and "witch doctoring" that
they pander..

No but they do note that the fourth leading cause of death in the US
is properly prescribed pharmaceutical products.

I blasted Carole for this falsehood on the 5th but predicted that
she'd repeat it within six months. Turns out, she did it within
six days.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

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Carole said:

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funny....alties don't "count" the billions of dollars spent..mostly
wasted...on the potions, supplements and "witch doctoring" that
they pander..

No but they do note that the fourth leading cause of death in the US
is properly prescribed pharmaceutical products.

I blasted Carole for this falsehood on the 5th but predicted that
she'd repeat it within six months. Turns out, she did it within
six days.

---- REPEAT POST - I GOT AN INTERNAL SERVER ERROR -----

Prescription drugs are the 4th leading cause of death in USA
-- Journal of American Medical Association (JAMA) - 15 April 1998
http://www.heall.com/body/healthupdates/drugs/adversedrugs.html

Gee Dave, if one death was attributed to alternative medicine, we'd
never hear the end of it. Now you are squabbling over whether
prescription drugs are the 4th or the 8th or 12th leading cause of
death?

What do you want me to do, turn around and say they are completely
safe?

Carole
http://www.austarmetro.com.au/~hubbca/health.htm

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In article <[email hidden]>,

Carole said:

> funny....alties don't "count" the billions of dollars spent..mostly
> wasted...on the potions, supplements and "witch doctoring" that
> they pander..

No but they do note that the fourth leading cause of death in the US
is properly prescribed pharmaceutical products.

I blasted Carole for this falsehood on the 5th but predicted that
she'd repeat it within six months. Turns out, she did it within
six days.

---- REPEAT POST - I GOT AN INTERNAL SERVER ERROR -----

Prescription drugs are the 4th leading cause of death in USA
-- Journal of American Medical Association (JAMA) - 15 April 1998
http://www.heall.com/body/healthupdates/drugs/adversedrugs.html

Gee Dave, if one death was attributed to alternative medicine, we'd
never hear the end of it. Now you are squabbling over whether
prescription drugs are the 4th or the 8th or 12th leading cause of
death?

What do you want me to do, turn around and say they are completely
safe?

Nothing is completely safe, not even your beloved cell salts.
However, that is not an excuse for spreading blatant misinformation.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

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Subject: Re: Natural 'cures' can be killers (contd)
From: [email hidden] (Carole)
Date: 9/11/2003 11:40 AM Pacific Daylight Time
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No but they do note that the fourth leading cause of death in the US
is properly prescribed pharmaceutical products.

source please??

Prescription Drugs taken as directed are the 4th leading cause of
death in America
Adverse drug reactions are now the fourth biggest killer, after heart
disease, cancer and stroke. The suggestion is that these are
considerably under-reported, and the problem is actually much worse. (
JAMA, 1998; 279; 1200-05)
-- Journal of American Medical Association (JAMA) - 15 April 1998

The Pharmaceutical Cartel
http://medicaltruth.com/PharmaCartel/home.htm
Is US Health Really the Best in the World?

12,000 deaths/year from unnecessary surgery
7000 deaths/year from medication errors in hospitals
20,000 deaths/year from other errors in hospitals
80,000 deaths/year from nosocomial infections in hospitals
106,000 deaths/year from nonerror, adverse effects of medications
These total to 225,000 deaths per year!!!
225,000 deaths per year constitutes the third leading cause of death
in the United States, after deaths from heart disease and cancer.
Journal of the Amaerican Medical Assoc.

ADVERSE DRUG REACTIONS MAY CAUSE OVER 100,000 DEATHS AMONG
HOSPITALIZED PATIENTS EACH YEAR
Study suggests adverse drug reactions are among the top causes of
death in U.S.
http://www.ama-assn.org/sci-pubs/sci-news/1998/snr0415.htm#jma71005
CHICAGO—Adverse drug reactions (ADRs) in U.S. hospitals may be
responsible for more than 100,000 deaths nationwide each year, making
it one of the leading causes of death, according to an article in the
April 14 issue of The Journal of American Medical Association (JAMA).

Carole
http://www.austarmetro.com.au/~hubbca/pharm.htm

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Subject: Re: Natural 'cures' can be killers (contd)
From: [email hidden] (Carole)
Date: 9/11/2003 11:40 AM Pacific Daylight Time
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No but they do note that the fourth leading cause of death in the US
is properly prescribed pharmaceutical products.

source please??

Prescription Drugs taken as directed are the 4th leading cause of
death in America
Adverse drug reactions are now the fourth biggest killer, after heart
disease, cancer and stroke. The suggestion is that these are
considerably under-reported, and the problem is actually much worse. (
JAMA, 1998; 279; 1200-05)
-- Journal of American Medical Association (JAMA) - 15 April 1998

As I predicted, you are right back pushing this dopey and erroneous
figure.

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12,000 deaths/year from unnecessary surgery
7000 deaths/year from medication errors in hospitals
20,000 deaths/year from other errors in hospitals
80,000 deaths/year from nosocomial infections in hospitals
106,000 deaths/year from nonerror, adverse effects of medications

Except that the "106,000" figure, which looks oh so precise, is
completely wrong and the actual figure is no more than 20,000.

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These total to 225,000 deaths per year!!!

Alas, they don't. Try 159,000, which would put them in fourth place
behind heart disease, cancer, and stroke, If I remember correctly.
Not that it's particularly sensible, and it's also quite simplistic,
to lump all these deaths together.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

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Subject: Re: Natural 'cures' can be killers (contd)
From: [email hidden] (David Wright)
Date: 9/29/2003 7:38 PM Pacific Standard Time
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Carole said:

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>Subject: Re: Natural 'cures' can be killers (contd)
>From: [email hidden] (Carole)
>Date: 9/11/2003 11:40 AM Pacific Daylight Time
>Message-id: <[email hidden]>
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>No but they do note that the fourth leading cause of death in the US
>is properly prescribed pharmaceutical products.
>

source please??

Prescription Drugs taken as directed are the 4th leading cause of
death in America
Adverse drug reactions are now the fourth biggest killer, after heart
disease, cancer and stroke. The suggestion is that these are
considerably under-reported, and the problem is actually much worse. (
JAMA, 1998; 279; 1200-05)
-- Journal of American Medical Association (JAMA) - 15 April 1998

As I predicted, you are right back pushing this dopey and erroneous
figure.

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Except that the "106,000" figure, which looks oh so precise, is
completely wrong and the actual figure is no more than 20,000.

Source please?

It appears Carole is much closer to being correct correct and you and wrong.

http://216.239.37.104/search?q=cache:7TavzqYS6G4J:www.nyschp.org/legislati
on/Legislative_2003/cdtm2003/default_files/default.ppt+prescription+drugs+
4th+leading+cause+of+death+JAMA+1998&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

The 4th leading cause of death

Accidents

Cancer

Heart Disease

Diabetes

Adverse Drug  Reactions

Pneumonia

Pulm Disease

Stroke

http://www.naturalhealthweb.com/articles/matthews1.html

2,000 deaths/year from unnecessary surgery.
7000 deaths/year from medication errors in hospitals.

20,000 deaths/year from other errors in hospitals.

80,000 deaths/year from nosocomial infections in hospitals.
106,000 deaths/year from non-error, adverse effects of medications.

These total up to 225,000 deaths per year in the US from iatrogenic causes
which ranks these deaths as the # 3 killer. Well above motor vehicle accidents
and violent crime.

MORE DEATHS FROM LEGAL DRUGS THAN FROM ILLICIT ONES

Fascinating isn't it... when you consider that deaths from legal drugs far
exceed deaths from illicit drugs and yet these deaths go virtually unnoticed
and nobody makes a fuss!

Dr Starfield also warns that these figures only tell one part of the overall
story.

They only relate to DEATHS from HOSPITALIZED patients.
They do NOT include non fatal adverse effects such as disability or discomfort.
Even if you make it through the hospitalization process you are not 'out of the
woods'. Consider these further facts. 4% - 18% of patients experience further
negative effects in outpatient settings resulting in the following:

116 million extra physician visits.
77 million extra prescriptions.
17 million emergency department visits.
8 million hospitalizations.
3 million long-term admissions.
199,000 additional deaths.
$77 billion in extra costs.
IS THIS JUST THE TIP OF THE ICEBERG?

The negative results of these policies which can never work are becoming more
apparent each year. To determine how serious the problem is you need to
consider some statistics. Ironically the most reliable statistics have been
published in none other that the JOURNAL of the AMERICAN MEDICAL ASSOCIATION
(JAMA) Vol 284, No 4, July 26th 2000.

http://www.youngagain2000.com/mortality.html

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&q=106000+deaths/year+from+
non+error,+adverse+effects+of+medications&spell=1

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These total to 225,000 deaths per year!!!

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Alas, they don't. Try 159,000,

Source please?

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which would put them in fourth place
behind heart disease, cancer, and stroke, If I remember correctly.
Not that it's particularly sensible, and it's also quite simplistic,
to lump all these deaths together.

Umm. The JAMA does just that.

Try again.

Mr Wright is Wrong.

Jan

Mr. Wrong will not be happy if people stop being killed and hurt by the
Conventionals.
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Carole said:

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>Subject: Re: Natural 'cures' can be killers (contd)
>From: [email hidden] (Carole)
>Date: 9/11/2003 11:40 AM Pacific Daylight Time
>Message-id: <[email hidden]>
>
>

>No but they do note that the fourth leading cause of death in the US
>is properly prescribed pharmaceutical products.
>

source please??

Prescription Drugs taken as directed are the 4th leading cause of
death in America
Adverse drug reactions are now the fourth biggest killer, after heart
disease, cancer and stroke. The suggestion is that these are
considerably under-reported, and the problem is actually much worse. (
JAMA, 1998; 279; 1200-05)
-- Journal of American Medical Association (JAMA) - 15 April 1998

As I predicted, you are right back pushing this dopey and erroneous
figure.

Quoted message said:

12,000 deaths/year from unnecessary surgery
7000 deaths/year from medication errors in hospitals
20,000 deaths/year from other errors in hospitals
80,000 deaths/year from nosocomial infections in hospitals
106,000 deaths/year from nonerror, adverse effects of medications

Except that the "106,000" figure, which looks oh so precise, is
completely wrong and the actual figure is no more than 20,000.

Quoted message said:

These total to 225,000 deaths per year!!!

Alas, they don't. Try 159,000, which would put them in fourth place
behind heart disease, cancer, and stroke, If I remember correctly.
Not that it's particularly sensible, and it's also quite simplistic,
to lump all these deaths together.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

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Carole <[email hidden]> wrote:

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12,000 deaths/year from unnecessary surgery
7000 deaths/year from medication errors in hospitals
20,000 deaths/year from other errors in hospitals
80,000 deaths/year from nosocomial infections in hospitals
106,000 deaths/year from nonerror, adverse effects of medications

Except that the "106,000" figure, which looks oh so precise, is
completely wrong and the actual figure is no more than 20,000.

The 80K for nosocomial infections then takes top spot,
and it's pretty questionable too. IIRC this one basically
treats all postsurgical infections, all pneumonia arising
while hospitalized, etc. as nosocomial.

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These total to 225,000 deaths per year!!!

Alas, they don't. Try 159,000, which would put them in fourth place
behind heart disease, cancer, and stroke, If I remember correctly.
Not that it's particularly sensible, and it's also quite simplistic,
to lump all these deaths together.

Sort of like lumping together casualties of war with auto
accidents as "traumatic injury," it depends on what you
do with the sum. If you point to the need for more research
in dealing with hypovolemic shock, I wouldn't argue. If
you try to use it to justify reducing highway speeds then
you're just a manipulative liar.

--
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| completely unintentional side effect. " -- Linus Torvalds |
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From: [email hidden] (David Wright)
Date: 9/29/2003 7:38 PM Pacific Standard Time
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> >Subject: Re: Natural 'cures' can be killers (contd)
> >From: [email hidden] (Carole)
> >Date: 9/11/2003 11:40 AM Pacific Daylight Time
> >Message-id: <[email hidden]>
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> >No but they do note that the fourth leading cause of death in the US
> >is properly prescribed pharmaceutical products.
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> source please??

Prescription Drugs taken as directed are the 4th leading cause of
death in America
Adverse drug reactions are now the fourth biggest killer, after heart
disease, cancer and stroke. The suggestion is that these are
considerably under-reported, and the problem is actually much worse. (
JAMA, 1998; 279; 1200-05)
-- Journal of American Medical Association (JAMA) - 15 April 1998

As I predicted, you are right back pushing this dopey and erroneous
figure.

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Except that the "106,000" figure, which looks oh so precise, is
completely wrong and the actual figure is no more than 20,000.

Source please?

It appears Carole is much closer to being correct correct and you and

wrong.

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http://216.239.37.104/search?q=cache:7TavzqYS6G4J:www.nyschp.org/legislati
on/Legislative_2003/cdtm2003/default_files/default.ppt+prescription+drugs+
4th+leading+cause+of+death+JAMA+1998&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

The 4th leading cause of death

Accidents

That's #1

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Cancer

That's #2

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Heart Disease

That's #3

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Diabetes

That's #4

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Adverse Drug Reactions

That's #5, assuming the study was correct.

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Pneumonia

Pulm Disease

Plum disease?