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  1. Quoted message said:


    At this point, it is pretty clear that lobbyists can pay for whatever they
    want said regardless of the cost to the american people. Isn't this all
    really about "cost" (think $$$$$). Science is being replaced by sales. Very
    disturbing.

    Thankfully, there is now the 2PD-OMER Approach to counter the
    marketeers:

    http://www.heartmdphd.com/wtloss.asp

    At His service,

    Andrew

    --
    Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
    Board-Certified Cardiologist

    **
    Suggested Reading:
    (1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?L26062048
    (2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?B2B851EFA
    (3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A
    (4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A
    (5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A
    (6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A
    (7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129

  2. "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    At this point, it is pretty clear that lobbyists can pay for whatever
    they
    want said regardless of the cost to the american people. Isn't this all
    really about "cost" (think $$$$$). Science is being replaced by sales.
    Very
    disturbing.

    Thankfully, there is now the 2PD-OMER Approach to counter the
    marketeers:

    Unfortunately, there are no good studies that have been published about this
    diet.

    Jeff

  3. Jeff said:


    "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    At this point, it is pretty clear that lobbyists can pay for whatever
    they
    want said regardless of the cost to the american people. Isn't this all
    really about "cost" (think $$$$$). Science is being replaced by sales.
    Very
    disturbing.

    Thankfully, there is now the 2PD-OMER Approach to counter the
    marketeers:

    Unfortunately, there are no good studies that have been published about this
    diet.

    The 2PD-OMER Approach is not a diet:

    http://www.heartmdphd.com/press.asp

    At His service,

    Andrew

    --
    Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
    Board-Certified Cardiologist

    **
    Suggested Reading:
    (1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?G1D5217EA
    (2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?B2B851EFA
    (3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A
    (4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A
    (5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A
    (6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A
    (7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129

  4. "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Jeff said:


    "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    [email hidden] wrote:
    >
    > At this point, it is pretty clear that lobbyists can pay for whatever
    > they
    > want said regardless of the cost to the american people. Isn't this
    > all
    > really about "cost" (think $$$$$). Science is being replaced by
    > sales.
    > Very
    > disturbing.

    Thankfully, there is now the 2PD-OMER Approach to counter the
    marketeers:

    Unfortunately, there are no good studies that have been published about
    this
    diet.

    The 2PD-OMER Approach is not a diet:

    The 2PD-OMER Approach *is* a diet.

    And the Approach has not been described in the peer-reviewed literature.

    Jeff

    <garbage deleted>

  5. Jeff said:


    "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Jeff said:


    "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...
    > [email hidden] wrote:
    >>
    >> At this point, it is pretty clear that lobbyists can pay for whatever
    >> they
    >> want said regardless of the cost to the american people. Isn't this
    >> all
    >> really about "cost" (think $$$$$). Science is being replaced by
    >> sales.
    >> Very
    >> disturbing.
    >
    > Thankfully, there is now the 2PD-OMER Approach to counter the
    > marketeers:

    Unfortunately, there are no good studies that have been published about
    this
    diet.

    The 2PD-OMER Approach is not a diet:

    The 2PD-OMER Approach *is* a diet.

    We are back full circle:

    Who knows an invention better... the user or the inventor?

    Here's a hint to help you answer the question more easily:

    http://tinyurl.com/8fwbe

    At His service,

    Andrew

    --
    Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
    Board-Certified Cardiologist

    **
    Suggested Reading:
    (1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?G1D5217EA
    (2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?B2B851EFA
    (3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A
    (4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A
    (5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A
    (6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A
    (7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129

  6. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD schrieb:

    Quoted message said:
    Jeff said:

    "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Jeff wrote:

    >"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    >news:[email hidden]...
    >
    >>[email hidden] wrote:
    >>
    >>>At this point, it is pretty clear that lobbyists can pay for whatever
    >>>they
    >>>want said regardless of the cost to the american people. Isn't this
    >>>all
    >>>really about "cost" (think $$$$$). Science is being replaced by
    >>>sales.
    >>>Very
    >>>disturbing.
    >>
    >>Thankfully, there is now the 2PD-OMER Approach to counter the
    >>marketeers:
    >
    >Unfortunately, there are no good studies that have been published about
    >this
    >diet.

    The 2PD-OMER Approach is not a diet:

    The 2PD-OMER Approach *is* a diet.

    We are back full circle:

    Who knows an invention better... the user or the inventor?

    When you invent a new car, you can call it an airplane. However, it is
    still a car to other people.

    Quoted message said:

    Here's a hint to help you answer the question more easily:

    http://tinyurl.com/8fwbe

    This story of yours with the 625,550 successfully following your diet
    for 5 years is really funny.

    Regards,

    Thorsten

  7. Thorsten Schier said:


    Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD schrieb:

    Quoted message said:
    Jeff said:

    "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    >Jeff wrote:
    >
    >>"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    >>news:[email hidden]...
    >>
    >>>[email hidden] wrote:
    >>>
    >>>>At this point, it is pretty clear that lobbyists can pay for whatever
    >>>>they
    >>>>want said regardless of the cost to the american people. Isn't this
    >>>>all
    >>>>really about "cost" (think $$$$$). Science is being replaced by
    >>>>sales.
    >>>>Very
    >>>>disturbing.
    >>>
    >>>Thankfully, there is now the 2PD-OMER Approach to counter the
    >>>marketeers:
    >>
    >>Unfortunately, there are no good studies that have been published about
    >>this
    >>diet.
    >
    >The 2PD-OMER Approach is not a diet:

    The 2PD-OMER Approach *is* a diet.

    We are back full circle:

    Who knows an invention better... the user or the inventor?

    When you invent a new car, you can call it an airplane. However, it is
    still a car to other people.

    The inventors of the car called it an automobile while the users called
    it a horseless carriage. Who picked the better name, the users or the
    inventors?

    "Men (and women) can't win arguments... The truth **wins** arguments."

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Here's a hint to help you answer the question more easily:

    http://tinyurl.com/8fwbe

    This story of yours with the 625,550 successfully following your diet
    for 5 years is really funny.

    Thankfully, the 2PD-OMER Approach is not a diet. More than 625,500
    people have learned this. Your inability to learn this does not bode
    well for the genes that you and your ancestors have carried and yet, God
    in His infinite mercy has spared your genes even though natural
    selection would have wiped them out. Therefore, it follows that you are
    living proof that there is no evolution:

    http://makeashorterlink.com/?P2264129A

    The way to the truth is straight and narrow:

    http://makeashorterlink.com/?A2642108A

    Again you have been vanquished by the truth as you always will be.
    Nevertheless, you will remain in my prayers, dear Thorsten, whom I love,
    in Lord Christ's holy name.

    May you reject your pride and accept Him as your personal Lord and
    Savior, someday, so that you too will have eternal life and the
    fascinating riches of His everlasting kingdom.

    Here's how:

    http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129

    Please note that God truly made this special link describing that He is
    the great "I am" and that His message is as simple as the number 2 which
    is a number between 1 to 9 and reminds us of His 2 commandments, the 2
    arms of the cross, the 2nd part of the Trinity, the 2 finger sign of the
    Prince of Peace [who remains *V*ictorious over death and satan], and the
    2PD-OMER Approach. Let it not ever be written that Christ did not make
    His presence known here on Usenet :-)

    Also, note that Exodus 16:16 continues to remind us that 16 oz plus 16
    oz makes 2 pounds, which is "a certain measure of weight," which is what
    "omer" literally means in Hebrew.

    Enter the 2PD-OMER Approach, which can "cure" metabolic syndrome (MetS)
    thereby bringing this thread back on topic in these NGs :-)

    http://www.heartmdphd.com/wtloss.asp

    At His service,

    Andrew

    --
    Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
    Board-Certified Cardiologist

    **
    Suggested Reading:

    (1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?G1D5217EA
    (2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?B2B851EFA
    (3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A
    (4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A
    (5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A
    (6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A
    (7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129

  8. "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Thorsten Schier said:


    Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD schrieb:

    Quoted message said:

    Jeff wrote:

    >"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    >news:[email hidden]...
    >
    >>Jeff wrote:
    >>
    >>>"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    >>>news:[email hidden]...
    >>>
    >>>>[email hidden] wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>>At this point, it is pretty clear that lobbyists can pay for
    >>>>>whatever
    >>>>>they
    >>>>>want said regardless of the cost to the american people. Isn't
    >>>>>this
    >>>>>all
    >>>>>really about "cost" (think $$$$$). Science is being replaced by
    >>>>>sales.
    >>>>>Very
    >>>>>disturbing.
    >>>>
    >>>>Thankfully, there is now the 2PD-OMER Approach to counter the
    >>>>marketeers:
    >>>
    >>>Unfortunately, there are no good studies that have been published
    >>>about
    >>>this
    >>>diet.
    >>
    >>The 2PD-OMER Approach is not a diet:
    >
    >The 2PD-OMER Approach *is* a diet.

    We are back full circle:

    Who knows an invention better... the user or the inventor?

    When you invent a new car, you can call it an airplane. However, it is
    still a car to other people.

    The inventors of the car called it an automobile while the users called
    it a horseless carriage. Who picked the better name, the users or the
    inventors?

    "Men (and women) can't win arguments... The truth **wins** arguments."

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Here's a hint to help you answer the question more easily:

    http://tinyurl.com/8fwbe

    This story of yours with the 625,550 successfully following your diet
    for 5 years is really funny.

    (...)

    Quoted message said:

    Thankfully, the 2PD-OMER Approach is not a diet. More than 625,500
    people have learned this. Your inability to learn this does not bode
    well for the genes that you and your ancestors have carried

    nice personal attack.

    Quoted message said:

    and yet, God
    in His infinite mercy has spared your genes even though natural
    selection would have wiped them out.

    Actually, it was natural selection that let his genes survive.

    Quoted message said:

    Therefore, it follows that you are
    living proof that there is no evolution:

    Another personal attack.

    The evidence that evolution occurs is overwhelming.

    http://www.nationalacademies.org/attic/evolution/index.html
    http://www.talkorigins.org/

    You have recently tried to disprove evolution, but failed, in this
    newsgroup.

    You can't overcome the truth.

    Jeff

    <garbage deleted>

  9. "Jeff" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...
    (...)

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > Thankfully, the 2PD-OMER Approach is not a diet. More than 625,500
    > people have learned this. Your inability to learn this does not bode
    > well for the genes that you and your ancestors have carried

    nice personal attack.

    It is understandable why you believe what I have written is a personal
    attack on you since you share the same genes.

    Another personal attack.

    <garbage deleted>

    Have you noticed that Chung seems to be insulting people more lately? In a
    thread last Sunday, he said that a woman who was questioning his 2PD was
    "mentally ill". Nice behavior for a self-described Christian to engage in
    on a Sunday, eh?

    GG

  10. "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    GaryG said:


    "Jeff" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...
    (...)

    >> > Thankfully, the 2PD-OMER Approach is not a diet. More than


    625,500

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >> > people have learned this. Your inability to learn this does not


    bode

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >> > well for the genes that you and your ancestors have carried
    >>
    >> nice personal attack.
    >
    > It is understandable why you believe what I have written is a


    personal

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > attack on you since you share the same genes.

    Another personal attack.

    <garbage deleted>

    Have you noticed that Chung seems to be insulting people more lately?


    In a

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    thread last Sunday, he said that a woman who was questioning his 2PD was
    "mentally ill". Nice behavior for a self-described Christian to engage


    in

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    on a Sunday, eh?

    It seems you are still smarting from the sound defeat that the truth has
    handed you:

    It seems you are still hearing voices proclaiming your sainthood.

    And, it seems that you are still unable to apologize to Stacey for losing
    your temper and inferring that she had mental illness. Thanks for posting
    the link to remind us of how you treat others.

    So it goes...

    GG

    Quoted message said:


    http://makeashorterlink.com/?U2A821CEA

  11. GaryG said:


    "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    GaryG said:


    "Jeff" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...
    >
    > "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    > news:[email hidden]...
    > (...)
    >
    > >> > Thankfully, the 2PD-OMER Approach is not a diet. More than


    625,500

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > >> > people have learned this. Your inability to learn this does not


    bode

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > >> > well for the genes that you and your ancestors have carried
    > >>
    > >> nice personal attack.
    > >
    > > It is understandable why you believe what I have written is a


    personal

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > > attack on you since you share the same genes.
    >
    > Another personal attack.
    >
    > <garbage deleted>
    >

    Have you noticed that Chung seems to be insulting people more lately?


    In a

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    thread last Sunday, he said that a woman who was questioning his 2PD was
    "mentally ill". Nice behavior for a self-described Christian to engage


    in

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    on a Sunday, eh?

    It seems you are still smarting from the sound defeat that the truth has
    handed you:

    It seems you are still hearing voices proclaiming your sainthood.

    I do **not** believe in saints.

    I do believe in the truth:

    http://makeashorterlink.com/?U2A821CEA

    Truth is simple:

    http://makeashorterlink.com/?P2264129A

    The way to the truth is straight and narrow:

    http://makeashorterlink.com/?A2642108A

    You will remain in my prayers, dear Gary whom I love, in Lord Christ's
    holy name.

    May you reject your pride and accept Him as your personal Lord and
    Savior, someday, so that you too will have eternal life and the
    fascinating riches of His everlasting kingdom.

    Here's how:

    http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129

    Please note that God truly made this special link describing that He is
    the great "I am" and that His message is as simple as the number 2 which
    is a number between 1 to 9 and reminds us of His 2 commandments, the 2
    arms of the cross, the 2nd part of the Trinity, the 2 finger sign of the
    Prince of Peace [who remains *V*ictorious over death and satan], and the
    2PD-OMER Approach. Let it not ever be written that Christ did not make
    His presence known here on Usenet :-)

    Also, note that Exodus 16:16 continues to remind us that 16 oz plus 16
    oz makes 2 pounds, which is "a certain measure of weight," which is what
    "omer" literally means in Hebrew.

    Enter the 2PD-OMER Approach, which can "cure" metabolic syndrome (MetS)
    thereby bringing this thread back on topic in these NGs :-)

    http://www.heartmdphd.com/wtloss.asp

    At His service,

    Andrew

    --
    Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
    Board-Certified Cardiologist

    **
    Suggested Reading:

    (1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?G1D5217EA
    (2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?B5CE25FFA
    (3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A
    (4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A
    (5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A
    (6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A
    (7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129

  12. "The untruthful often feel mistreated by the truth."

    http://makeashorterlink.com/?P2264129A

    The way to the truth is straight and narrow:

    http://makeashorterlink.com/?A2642108A

    You will remain in my prayers, dear Gary whom I love, in Lord Christ's
    holy name.

    May you reject your pride and accept Him as your personal Lord and
    Savior, someday, so that you too will have eternal life and the
    fascinating riches of His everlasting kingdom.

    Here's how:

    http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129

    Please note that God truly made this special link describing that He is
    the great "I am" and that His message is as simple as the number 2 which
    is a number between 1 to 9 and reminds us of His 2 commandments, the 2
    arms of the cross, the 2nd part of the Trinity, the 2 finger sign of the
    Prince of Peace [who remains *V*ictorious over death and satan], and the
    2PD-OMER Approach. Let it not ever be written that Christ did not make
    His presence known here on Usenet :-)

    Also, note that Exodus 16:16 continues to remind us that 16 oz plus 16
    oz makes 2 pounds, which is "a certain measure of weight," which is what
    "omer" literally means in Hebrew.

    Enter the 2PD-OMER Approach, which can "cure" metabolic syndrome (MetS)
    thereby bringing this thread back on topic in these NGs :-)

    http://www.heartmdphd.com/wtloss.asp

    At His service,

    Andrew

    --
    Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
    Board-Certified Cardiologist

    **
    Suggested Reading:

    (1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?G1D5217EA
    (2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?B5CE25FFA
    (3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A
    (4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A
    (5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A
    (6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A
    (7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129

    GaryG said:


    "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    GaryG said:


    "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...
    > GaryG wrote:
    > >
    > > "Jeff" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    > > news:[email hidden]...
    > > >
    > > > "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    > > > news:[email hidden]...
    > > > (...)
    > > >
    > > > >> > Thankfully, the 2PD-OMER Approach is not a diet. More than
    625,500
    > > > >> > people have learned this. Your inability to learn this does


    not

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    bode
    > > > >> > well for the genes that you and your ancestors have carried
    > > > >>
    > > > >> nice personal attack.
    > > > >
    > > > > It is understandable why you believe what I have written is a
    personal
    > > > > attack on you since you share the same genes.
    > > >
    > > > Another personal attack.
    > > >
    > > > <garbage deleted>
    > > >
    > >
    > > Have you noticed that Chung seems to be insulting people more


    lately?

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    In a
    > > thread last Sunday, he said that a woman who was questioning his 2PD


    was

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > > "mentally ill". Nice behavior for a self-described Christian to


    engage

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    in
    > > on a Sunday, eh?
    >
    > It seems you are still smarting from the sound defeat that the truth


    has

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > handed you:

    It seems you are still hearing voices proclaiming your sainthood.

    I do **not** believe in saints.

    Quoted message said:

    And, it seems that you are still unable to apologize to Stacey for losing
    your temper and inferring that she had mental illness. Thanks for posting
    the link to remind us of how you treat others.

    So it goes...

    GG

    Quoted message said:


    http://makeashorterlink.com/?U2A821CEA

  13. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD schrieb:

    Quoted message said:
    Thorsten Schier said:

    Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD schrieb:

    Quoted message said:

    Jeff wrote:

    >"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    >news:[email hidden]...
    >
    >
    >>Jeff wrote:
    >>
    >>
    >>>"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    >>>news:[email hidden]...
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>>[email hidden] wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>>At this point, it is pretty clear that lobbyists can pay for whatever
    >>>>>they
    >>>>>want said regardless of the cost to the american people. Isn't this
    >>>>>all
    >>>>>really about "cost" (think $$$$$). Science is being replaced by
    >>>>>sales.
    >>>>>Very
    >>>>>disturbing.
    >>>>
    >>>>Thankfully, there is now the 2PD-OMER Approach to counter the
    >>>>marketeers:
    >>>
    >>>Unfortunately, there are no good studies that have been published about
    >>>this
    >>>diet.
    >>
    >>The 2PD-OMER Approach is not a diet:
    >
    >The 2PD-OMER Approach *is* a diet.

    We are back full circle:

    Who knows an invention better... the user or the inventor?

    When you invent a new car, you can call it an airplane. However, it is
    still a car to other people.

    The inventors of the car called it an automobile while the users called
    it a horseless carriage. Who picked the better name, the users or the
    inventors?

    You miss an important point here. The inventors of the first car
    invented something new and therefore had a chance to create a new name
    for it as well.

    All you did was to create just another diet. You may insist on calling
    it anything else, but this won't change the fact that it remains a diet
    according to conventional usage of language.

    Btw., the idea to lose weight by reducing the amount of what one eats is
    hardly new. In Germany it is colloquially known as "FdH" (Friß die
    Hälfte = Eat only the half). The common opinion among nutritionists and
    medical doctors is that this is no good unless you also change _what_
    you eat.

    The only thing that is new to your diet is the bizzare notion that the
    right amount to eat is 2 lbs for just about everyone, regardless of
    whether they are 5 feet inactive females or 7 feet active males,
    regardless of whether they prefer sweets and french fries or vegetables
    and fruits.

    Quoted message said:

    "Men (and women) can't win arguments... The truth **wins** arguments."

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Here's a hint to help you answer the question more easily:

    http://tinyurl.com/8fwbe

    This story of yours with the 625,550 successfully following your diet
    for 5 years is really funny.

    Thankfully, the 2PD-OMER Approach is not a diet. More than 625,500
    people have learned this.

    Is this the number of clicks on your homepage or how else did you come
    by this number? Yeah, sure, I know: "All **will** be revealed to those
    who choose to spend eternity with Lord Jesus Christ."

    Quoted message said:

    Your inability to learn this does not bode
    well for the genes that you and your ancestors have carried and yet, God
    in His infinite mercy has spared your genes even though natural
    selection would have wiped them out.

    I guess it wil remain your secret why a quarrel with you over semantics
    should have impaired the fitness of my ancestors.

    Quoted message said:

    Therefore, it follows that you are
    living proof that there is no evolution:

    http://makeashorterlink.com/?P2264129A

    Once again you give evidence that you don't have a clue how evolution works.

    [...]

    Thorsten

    --
    "Nothing in biology makes sense, except in the light of evolution"

    (Theodosius Dobzhansky)

  14. Thorsten Schier said:


    Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD schrieb:

    Quoted message said:
    Thorsten Schier said:

    Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD schrieb:

    >Jeff wrote:
    >
    >
    >>"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    >>news:[email hidden]...
    >>
    >>
    >>>Jeff wrote:
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>>"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    >>>>news:[email hidden]...
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>>[email hidden] wrote:
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>>At this point, it is pretty clear that lobbyists can pay for whatever
    >>>>>>they
    >>>>>>want said regardless of the cost to the american people. Isn't this
    >>>>>>all
    >>>>>>really about "cost" (think $$$$$). Science is being replaced by
    >>>>>>sales.
    >>>>>>Very
    >>>>>>disturbing.
    >>>>>
    >>>>>Thankfully, there is now the 2PD-OMER Approach to counter the
    >>>>>marketeers:
    >>>>
    >>>>Unfortunately, there are no good studies that have been published about
    >>>>this
    >>>>diet.
    >>>
    >>>The 2PD-OMER Approach is not a diet:
    >>
    >>The 2PD-OMER Approach *is* a diet.
    >
    >
    >We are back full circle:
    >
    >Who knows an invention better... the user or the inventor?

    When you invent a new car, you can call it an airplane. However, it is
    still a car to other people.

    The inventors of the car called it an automobile while the users called
    it a horseless carriage. Who picked the better name, the users or the
    inventors?

    You miss an important point here.

    No I have not.

    At His service,

    Andrew

    --
    Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
    Board-Certified Cardiologist

    **
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  15. Andrew B. Chung said:
    Thorsten Schier said:

    Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD schrieb:

    Quoted message said:

    Thorsten Schier wrote:

    >Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD schrieb:
    >
    >
    >>Jeff wrote:
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>>"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    >>>news:[email hidden]...
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>>Jeff wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>>"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    >>>>>news:[email hidden]...
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>>[email hidden] wrote:
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>>At this point, it is pretty clear that lobbyists can pay for whatever
    >>>>>>>they
    >>>>>>>want said regardless of the cost to the american people. Isn't this
    >>>>>>>all
    >>>>>>>really about "cost" (think $$$$$). Science is being replaced by
    >>>>>>>sales.
    >>>>>>>Very
    >>>>>>>disturbing.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>Thankfully, there is now the 2PD-OMER Approach to counter the
    >>>>>>marketeers:
    >>>>>
    >>>>>Unfortunately, there are no good studies that have been published about
    >>>>>this
    >>>>>diet.
    >>>>
    >>>>The 2PD-OMER Approach is not a diet:
    >>>
    >>>The 2PD-OMER Approach *is* a diet.
    >>
    >>
    >>We are back full circle:
    >>
    >>Who knows an invention better... the user or the inventor?
    >
    >When you invent a new car, you can call it an airplane. However, it is
    >still a car to other people.

    The inventors of the car called it an automobile while the users called
    it a horseless carriage. Who picked the better name, the users or the
    inventors?

    You miss an important point here.

    No I have not.

    Oh, sure you have. The point is that definitions adhere no matter what
    wacky nomenclature you try to hang on a simple and simplistic diet.

    It's that old "A rose is a rose is a rose..." thing. And it would smell
    as sweet by any other name.

    Like a diet is a diet even when you try to give it a high-falutin
    "approach" title. Still a diet. Diets are about what you eat and how
    much and lotsa other criteria. Just like the 2PD.

    HTH

    Pastorio

  16. Bob (this one) said:


    Andrew B. Chung said:
    Thorsten Schier said:

    Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD schrieb:

    >Thorsten Schier wrote:
    >
    >
    >>Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD schrieb:
    >>
    >>
    >>>Jeff wrote:
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>>"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    >>>>news:[email hidden]...
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>>Jeff wrote:
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>>"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    >>>>>>news:[email hidden]...
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>>[email hidden] wrote:
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>At this point, it is pretty clear that lobbyists can pay for whatever
    >>>>>>>>they
    >>>>>>>>want said regardless of the cost to the american people. Isn't this
    >>>>>>>>all
    >>>>>>>>really about "cost" (think $$$$$). Science is being replaced by
    >>>>>>>>sales.
    >>>>>>>>Very
    >>>>>>>>disturbing.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>Thankfully, there is now the 2PD-OMER Approach to counter the
    >>>>>>>marketeers:
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>Unfortunately, there are no good studies that have been published about
    >>>>>>this
    >>>>>>diet.
    >>>>>
    >>>>>The 2PD-OMER Approach is not a diet:
    >>>>
    >>>>The 2PD-OMER Approach *is* a diet.
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>We are back full circle:
    >>>
    >>>Who knows an invention better... the user or the inventor?
    >>
    >>When you invent a new car, you can call it an airplane. However, it is
    >>still a car to other people.
    >
    >The inventors of the car called it an automobile while the users called
    >it a horseless carriage. Who picked the better name, the users or the
    >inventors?

    You miss an important point here.

    No I have not.

    Oh, sure you have.

    Sorry, I have not.

    At His service,

    Andrew

    --
    Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
    Board-Certified Cardiologist

    **
    Suggested Reading:
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    (3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A
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    (6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A
    (7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129

  17. "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Bob (this one) said:


    Andrew B. Chung said:

    Thorsten Schier wrote:

    >Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD schrieb:
    >
    >>Thorsten Schier wrote:
    >>
    >>
    >>>Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD schrieb:
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>>Jeff wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>>"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    >>>>>news:[email hidden]...
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>>Jeff wrote:
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>>"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote in
    >>>>>>>message
    >>>>>>>news:[email hidden]...
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>[email hidden] wrote:
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>At this point, it is pretty clear that lobbyists can pay for
    >>>>>>>>>whatever
    >>>>>>>>>they
    >>>>>>>>>want said regardless of the cost to the american people. Isn't
    >>>>>>>>>this
    >>>>>>>>>all
    >>>>>>>>>really about "cost" (think $$$$$). Science is being replaced
    >>>>>>>>>by
    >>>>>>>>>sales.
    >>>>>>>>>Very
    >>>>>>>>>disturbing.
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>Thankfully, there is now the 2PD-OMER Approach to counter the
    >>>>>>>>marketeers:
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>Unfortunately, there are no good studies that have been published
    >>>>>>>about
    >>>>>>>this
    >>>>>>>diet.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>The 2PD-OMER Approach is not a diet:
    >>>>>
    >>>>>The 2PD-OMER Approach *is* a diet.
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>We are back full circle:
    >>>>
    >>>>Who knows an invention better... the user or the inventor?
    >>>
    >>>When you invent a new car, you can call it an airplane. However, it
    >>>is
    >>>still a car to other people.
    >>
    >>The inventors of the car called it an automobile while the users
    >>called
    >>it a horseless carriage. Who picked the better name, the users or the
    >>inventors?
    >
    >You miss an important point here.

    No I have not.

    Oh, sure you have.

    Sorry, I have not.

    Are you sure you are not in 1st grade?

    You sure sound like it. "Am not." "Am too." "Am not...."

    I did notice how you still delete parts of other people's messages without
    indicating that fact.

    Intellectual honesty is not your strongpoint.

    Jeff

    Quoted message said:

    At His service,

    Andrew

    --
    Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
    Board-Certified Cardiologist

    **
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  18. Jeff said:


    "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Bob (this one) said:


    Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
    > Thorsten Schier wrote:
    >
    >>Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD schrieb:
    >>
    >>>Thorsten Schier wrote:
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>>Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD schrieb:
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>>Jeff wrote:
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>>"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    >>>>>>news:[email hidden]...
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>>Jeff wrote:
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote in
    >>>>>>>>message
    >>>>>>>>news:[email hidden]...
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>[email hidden] wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>At this point, it is pretty clear that lobbyists can pay for
    >>>>>>>>>>whatever
    >>>>>>>>>>they
    >>>>>>>>>>want said regardless of the cost to the american people. Isn't
    >>>>>>>>>>this
    >>>>>>>>>>all
    >>>>>>>>>>really about "cost" (think $$$$$). Science is being replaced
    >>>>>>>>>>by
    >>>>>>>>>>sales.
    >>>>>>>>>>Very
    >>>>>>>>>>disturbing.
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>Thankfully, there is now the 2PD-OMER Approach to counter the
    >>>>>>>>>marketeers:
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>Unfortunately, there are no good studies that have been published
    >>>>>>>>about
    >>>>>>>>this
    >>>>>>>>diet.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>The 2PD-OMER Approach is not a diet:
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>The 2PD-OMER Approach *is* a diet.
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>We are back full circle:
    >>>>>
    >>>>>Who knows an invention better... the user or the inventor?
    >>>>
    >>>>When you invent a new car, you can call it an airplane. However, it
    >>>>is
    >>>>still a car to other people.
    >>>
    >>>The inventors of the car called it an automobile while the users
    >>>called
    >>>it a horseless carriage. Who picked the better name, the users or the
    >>>inventors?
    >>
    >>You miss an important point here.
    >
    > No I have not.

    Oh, sure you have.

    Sorry, I have not.

    Are you sure you are not in 1st grade?

    Yes.

    Truth is simple:

    http://makeashorterlink.com/?P2264129A

    The way to the truth is straight and narrow:

    http://makeashorterlink.com/?A2642108A

    You will remain in my prayers, dear Jeff whom I love, in Christ's holy
    name.

    May you reject your pride and accept Him as your personal Lord and
    Savior, someday, so that you too will have eternal life and the
    fascinating riches of His everlasting kingdom.

    Here's how:

    http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129

    Please note that God truly made this special link describing that He is
    the great "I am" and that His message is as simple as the number 2 which
    is a number between 1 to 9 and reminds us of His 2 commandments, the 2
    arms of the cross, the 2nd part of the Trinity, the 2 finger sign of the
    Prince of Peace [who remains *V*ictorious over death and satan], and the
    2PD-OMER Approach. Let it not ever be written that Christ did not make
    His presence known here on Usenet :-)

    Also, note that Exodus 16:16 continues to remind us that 16 oz plus 16
    oz makes 2 pounds, which is "a certain measure of weight," which is what
    "omer" literally means in Hebrew.

    Enter the 2PD-OMER Approach, which can "cure" metabolic syndrome (MetS)
    thereby bringing this thread back on topic for these NGs :-)

    http://www.heartmdphd.com/wtloss.asp

    At His service,

    Andrew

    --
    Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
    Board-Certified Cardiologist

    **
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