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  1. Interesting, there were several questions which came to mind when I read
    this in another news release. With only the abstract there is information
    missing that would be more useful. It is hard to gauge how much about
    it's application to low carbs in humans can be transferred. First there
    is no accounting for the amounts of protein and carbs, only that the
    latter was lowered to keep the former flat with regard to calories. This
    doesn't tell us how closely it mimics a low carb form of diet only that 3
    x amount of protein was in the diet. Because the rats ate as much as they
    wanted there is no accounting for total calories which is directly related
    to the weight question and lc diets. If I understood it correctly the
    other diet had no protein which makes any comparison for overall health
    questions suspect as a 4 month period would surely bring forth protein
    deficiency problems. Also, there was no accounting for the amount and kind
    of fat. In some research rat strains high amounts of saturated fat are fed
    to induce diabetes, knowing how saturated the fat might be suggestive as
    it relates to lc diets in humans. Finally, there is a growing concern
    over Homocysteine level as a risk factor in diabetics for heart disease
    related death rates and higher protein diets can produce higher levels of
    it. One way to lower it is by using greater amounts of folic acid which in
    food sources is most readily found in those veggie sources most unlikely
    to be on a lc diet,ie. fortified grain products, beans, spinach,
    asparagus, etc. and the amounts needed for therapy aren't likely to be in
    a typical multivitamin. The studytherapy aren't likely to be in a typical
    multivitamin. The study raises more questions then it answers because it
    was not designed to be an analog of a lc diet, it was only a higher
    protein diet. It of course can't answer the most important question, it
    doesn't rule out other diets being just as successful in those parameters
    followed. There is no way to know if a mixed diet with a calorie intake to
    maintain energy balance, moderate levels of carbs and protein and leaning
    to replace saturated fats with less so would reach health goals.

    Quoted message said:

    http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/medicalnews.php?newsid=10966

    New study provides support for Atkins type diet

    20 Jul 2004

    Was Atkins Right? New Study Provides Support For Those Who Advocate A
    High Protein Diet For Weight Loss And Better Health.

    Bethesda, MD "Shape Up America," a new coalition of various health
    groups recently announced their collective opinion that "booming
    low-carb diets were unlikely to lead to long-term weight loss and may
    be dangerous for health." At the same time, high protein diets are
    attracting their share of critics, among them the American Heart
    Association, which has stated that the focus on animal proteins
    cholesterol raises harmful LDL cholesterol levels.

    The scientific community knows that high protein diets induce early
    marked metabolic changes in human and animal models, especially when
    the diet contains at least 50 percent of energy as protein, but the
    physiological and functional consequences of a long-term high protein
    (HP) diet have not been fully explored. Now, a long-term study
    involving male rats has found that a protein intake of three times the
    requirements did not produce any adverse effects in key systems.

    A New Study

    Researchers are aware that no long-term interventional human studies
    on the issue exist nor are there any complete toxicological studies on
    high protein diet effects. This has led to a new investigation of the
    wide range of biochemical, anatomical and histological parameters to
    determine whether long-term ingestion of a high protein diet could
    have adverse and/or beneficial effects in an obesity prone strain of
    rats.

    The authors of "A long-term high-protein diet markedly reduces adipose
    tissue without major side-effects in Wistar male rats," are Magali
    Lacroix, Claire Gaudichon, Celine Morens, Veronique Mathe, Daniel
    Tome, and Jean-Francois Huneau, all from the Physiologie de la
    Nutrition et du Comportement alimentaire, Institut National
    Agronomique Paris-Grignon, Paris; and Antoine Martin, at the Service
    d'Anatomie pathologique, Hôpital Avicenne, Bobigny, both in France.

    Their findings appear in the Articles in Press section of the American
    Journal of Physiology-Regulatory, Integrative and Comparative
    Physiology. The journal is one of 14 scientific publications issued
    each month by the American Physiological Society (APS)
    (http://www.the-aps.org).

    Methodology

    This study used male Wistar rats that were administered either a no
    protein diet or a high protein diet for six months. Detailed body
    composition, biomarkers of oxidative stress [reduced and oxidized
    glutathione, thiobarbituric acid reactive substances, expression of
    glutamy-cysteine-ligase, and detoxification function
    (Glutathione-S-Transferase), plasma hormones (insulin, cortisol and
    leptine)] and liver and kidney histopathology were investigated.
    Calcium balance was also assessed over four months after this
    protocol.

    Results

    This study sought to estimate the consequences of a long-term intake
    of high levels of protein in an obesity-prone rat strain. The results
    showed that the long-term effect of eating protein at will led to a
    markedly reduced food intake and lowered white adipose tissue. At the
    same time, basal blood insulin, leptin and triglyceride levels, and
    glucose tolerance were improved. Calcium balance was not affected by a
    high intake of milk proteins.

    Moreover, in contrast to what has generally been admitted, no adverse
    effects of the high protein diet were reported, particularly regarding
    kidney and liver health. After six months of the experiment, the body
    weight of rats fed the high protein diet was 18 percent lower than
    that of rats fed the non-protein diet.

    Body composition measurements revealed remarkable differences between
    the two groups, especially concerning the subcutaneous fat pad.

    This study also revealed that the weight reduction in rats fed the
    high protein diet was strongly associated with lower basal blood sugar
    and insulin levels, as previously described, and improved glucose
    tolerance. As the isocaloric exchange between high and low protein
    diets was performed on carbohydrate, the flattening effect of the high
    protein diet on insulin and glucose basal levels could be attributed
    to its reduced carbohydrate content. This contrasts with the results
    of many studies that have acknowledged the fact that high protein
    intakes induce an increase in glucose and insulin concentrations.

    Conclusions

    This unique long-term study found that in male rats, a protein intake
    of three times the requirements did not produce any adverse effects on
    the renal and hepatic functions, on oxidative stress or on the calcium
    balance. On the contrary, exchanging carbohydrates for proteins was
    beneficial regarding body composition, basal triglycerides, glucose,
    leptin, and insulin plasma concentrations. The results of the present
    study agree with the idea that long-term dietary management is of
    major importance to preventing obesity.

    This study will not settle the long-standing debate regarding the
    merits of a high protein diet. However, these findings will provide
    support to those who advocate such a regimen for weight loss and
    better health.

    -end-

    Source: Online edition of the American Journal of
    PhysiologyRegulatory, Integrative and Comparative Physiology. The
    journal is one of 14 published each month by the American
    Physiological Society (http://www.the-aps.org).

    The American Physiological Society (APS) was founded in 1887 to foster
    basic and applied science, much of it relating to human health. The
    Bethesda, MD-based Society has more than 10,000 members and publishes
    3,800 articles in its 14 peer-reviewed journals every year.

    ***

    Editor's Note: A copy of the research article is available in pdf
    format to the press. Members of the press are invited to obtain a pdf
    copy of the study and to interview members of the research team. To do
    so, please contact Mayer Resnick at 301-634-7209 (direct dial),
    301-332-4402 (cell) or [email hidden].

    Contact: Mayer Resnick
    Office: 301-634-7209
    Cell: 301-332-4402
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    Interesting, there were several questions which came to mind when I read
    this in another news release. With only the abstract there is information
    missing that would be more useful. It is hard to gauge how much about
    it's application to low carbs in humans can be transferred. First there
    is no accounting for the amounts of protein and carbs, only that the
    latter was lowered to keep the former flat with regard to calories. This
    doesn't tell us how closely it mimics a low carb form of diet only that 3
    x amount of protein was in the diet. Because the rats ate as much as they
    wanted there is no accounting for total calories which is directly
    related
    to the weight question and lc diets.

    Actually, the study seems to indicate that the rats allowed to eat the
    "high" protein diet ate less. I find this to be true of low carb diets.
    I eat less because there's no gigantic insulin/sugar spike after eating
    carbs.

    Quoted message said:

    If I understood it correctly the
    other diet had no protein which makes any comparison for overall health
    questions suspect as a 4 month period would surely bring forth protein
    deficiency problems. Also, there was no accounting for the amount and
    kind
    of fat. In some research rat strains high amounts of saturated fat are
    fed
    to induce diabetes, knowing how saturated the fat might be suggestive as
    it relates to lc diets in humans. Finally, there is a growing concern
    over Homocysteine level as a risk factor in diabetics for heart disease
    related death rates and higher protein diets can produce higher levels of
    it.

    I've never heard that higher protein = higher homocysteine.

    Quoted message said:

    One way to lower it is by using greater amounts of folic acid which in
    food sources is most readily found in those veggie sources most unlikely
    to be on a lc diet,ie. fortified grain products, beans, spinach,
    asparagus, etc. and the amounts needed for therapy aren't likely to be in
    a typical multivitamin.

    I'm on low carb and eat plenty of vegetables. Way more than I did on low
    fat.

    Quoted message said:

    The studytherapy aren't likely to be in a typical
    multivitamin. The study raises more questions then it answers because it
    was not designed to be an analog of a lc diet, it was only a higher
    protein diet. It of course can't answer the most important question, it
    doesn't rule out other diets being just as successful in those parameters
    followed. There is no way to know if a mixed diet with a calorie intake
    to
    maintain energy balance, moderate levels of carbs and protein and leaning
    to replace saturated fats with less so would reach health goals.

    But it seems to indicate (and I hesitate to say that any study on rats is
    transferable to humans) that "high" protein isn't bad. Almost any article
    against low carb diets says about how bad this diet is on your kidneys,
    liver, eye sockets, whatever.

    --
    Bob in CT
    Remove ".x" to reply

  3. It is not clear from the study, one of the reasons suggested why humans
    eat fewer calories on lc is because satiation is more quickly reached.
    Also, if the rats in the other group had no proteine then craving it might
    mean overeating carbs and fat, there are too many unanswered questions. In
    normal humans there is no gigantic spike, glucose and insulin track each
    other closely at levels only somewhat higher then at fasting levels.

    "Actually, the study seems to indicate that the rats allowed to eat the
    "high" protein diet ate less. I find this to be true of low carb diets. I
    eat less because there's no gigantic insulin/sugar spike after eating
    carbs."

    "I've never heard that higher protein = higher homocysteine."

    diabetesincontrol.commodules.php
    on low carb and eat plenty of vegetables. Way more than I did on low
    fat."

    It isn't just eating more veggies to get the folic acid to prevent the
    rise in homocysteine, it's those veggie sources likely to cause a lc
    dieter to run screaming from the room:

    Food Serving Folate (mcg)
    Fortified breakfast cereal 1 cup 200-400
    Orange juice (from concentrate) 6 ounces 82
    Spinach (cooked) 1/2 cup 131
    Asparagus (cooked) 1/2 cup (~ 6 spears) 131
    Lentils (cooked) 1/2 cup 179
    Garbanzo beans (cooked) 1/2 cup 141
    Lima beans (cooked) 1/2 cup 78
    Bread 1 slice 20 (Folic acid)*
    Pasta (cooked) 1 cup 60 (Folic acid)*
    Rice (cooked) 1 cup 60 (Folic acid)*

  4. Quoted message said:

    Spinach (cooked) 1/2 cup 131
    Asparagus (cooked) 1/2 cup (~ 6 spears) 131


    These are low carb. I enjoy them often.

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    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    If I understood it correctly the
    other diet had no protein which makes any comparison for overall


    health

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    questions suspect as a 4 month period would surely bring forth


    protein

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    deficiency problems. Also, there was no accounting for the amount


    and

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    kind
    of fat. In some research rat strains high amounts of saturated fat


    are

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    fed
    to induce diabetes, knowing how saturated the fat might be


    suggestive as

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    it relates to lc diets in humans. Finally, there is a growing


    concern

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    over Homocysteine level as a risk factor in diabetics for heart


    disease

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    related death rates and higher protein diets can produce higher


    levels of

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    it.

    I've never heard that higher protein = higher homocysteine.

    Quoted message said:

    One way to lower it is by using greater amounts of folic acid


    which in

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    food sources is most readily found in those veggie sources most


    unlikely

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    to be on a lc diet,ie. fortified grain products, beans, spinach,
    asparagus, etc. and the amounts needed for therapy aren't likely


    to be in

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    a typical multivitamin.


    Good points about folic acid. Homocysteine, an amino acid, is a
    breakdown product of the amino acid Methionine. You get a large
    quantity of methionine eating meat and eggs. Any elevated level of
    homocysteine in the bloodstream will contribute to inflammation and
    platelet aggregation in the arteries. It is best to get the
    homocysteine level as low as possible. You can do this with the
    combination of folic acid, B6, and B12. You can eat lots of veggies
    (the best way) and/or supplement it with food supplements if you wish.
    The general recommendation is to get up to 2400 uGms of folic acid
    daily.

    For people with grossly high homocysteine, a knowledgable doctor will
    prescribe "Foltx", which contains 2500uGm folic, 1000 uGms B12, and
    25mg of B6 per tablet. You take 1-2 tablets per day. Note that few
    doctors know about homocysteine, even fewer will perform a blood test
    for it (Kaiser will not). You may have to get a test from an
    independent laboratory to be sure.

    There is better correlation between high homocysteine and heart
    attacks and mortality than there is with cholesterol, but the
    pharmaceutical companies make big bucks with statin drugs. Little
    money is made by them on vitamins. Hence the emphasis and pharma
    education is on reduction of cholesterol.

    So, there is nothing wrong with eating meat, just be sure you control
    the homocysteine!

    GT

  6. "sh0rtcircuit (Deb)" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Spinach (cooked) 1/2 cup 131
    Asparagus (cooked) 1/2 cup (~ 6 spears) 131


    These are low carb. I enjoy them often.

    Yeah, no doubt. I eat one or the other every single day.

    --
    Peace,
    Pen
    --
    Pawbreakers - The Candy for Cats!
    http://www.pawbreakers.com

  7. Quoted message said:

    it relates to lc diets in humans. Finally, there is a growing concern
    over Homocysteine level as a risk factor in diabetics for heart


    disease

    Quoted message said:

    related death rates and higher protein diets can produce higher levels


    of

    Quoted message said:

    it. One way to lower it is by using greater amounts of folic acid


    which in

    Quoted message said:

    food sources is most readily found in those veggie sources most


    unlikely

    Quoted message said:

    to be on a lc diet,ie. fortified grain products, beans, spinach,
    asparagus, etc. and the amounts needed for therapy aren't likely to be


    in

    Quoted message said:

    a typical multivitamin.

    Mark, please, once again:

    Spinach is no. 1 veggie in low-carbers popularity. You can eat as much
    as 1 kg each day and many low-carbers do. (Personally, I am at about
    2.5kg / week 🙂.

    Asparagus is LC.

    While on LC, your consumption of folic acid will go up.

    And, BTW, I am really confused why do you believe that fortified
    products are better than multivitamines...

    I respect most of your opinions. But I think you should finally stop
    thinking that LC means eating less veggies (or less micronutrients). We
    have told you several times. I do not understand why you are still
    unable to realize this simple fact....

    Quoted message said:

    multivitamin. The study raises more questions then it answers because


    it

    Quoted message said:

    was not designed to be an analog of a lc diet, it was only a higher
    protein diet. It of course can't answer the most important question,


    it

    Quoted message said:

    doesn't rule out other diets being just as successful in those


    parameters

    Quoted message said:

    followed. There is no way to know if a mixed diet with a calorie


    intake to

    Quoted message said:

    maintain energy balance, moderate levels of carbs and protein and


    leaning

    Quoted message said:

    to replace saturated fats with less so would reach health goals.

    I think you do expect a little bit too much from a single rats study.

    Mirek

  8. Quoted message said:

    It isn't just eating more veggies to get the folic acid to prevent the
    rise in homocysteine, it's those veggie sources likely to cause a lc
    dieter to run screaming from the room:

    Food Serving Folate (mcg)
    Fortified breakfast cereal 1 cup 200-400
    Orange juice (from concentrate) 6 ounces 82
    Spinach (cooked) 1/2 cup 131
    Asparagus (cooked) 1/2 cup (~ 6 spears) 131
    Lentils (cooked) 1/2 cup 179
    Garbanzo beans (cooked) 1/2 cup 141
    Lima beans (cooked) 1/2 cup 78
    Bread 1 slice 20 (Folic


    acid)*

    Quoted message said:

    Pasta (cooked) 1 cup 60 (Folic


    acid)*

    Quoted message said:

    Rice (cooked) 1 cup 60 (Folic acid)*

    OK, so fortified cereals are higher than spinach. You can add multi to
    your spinach and fortify it too if this is what concerns you.

    Other than that, you will get way more (10x or so) of folic acid per
    calorie (or carb) using LC veggies.

    BTW, you should also add

    cauliflower 1 cup 57 mcg
    broccoli 1 cup 55 mcg

    and on the other side, dietery star no. 1 of high carb diet

    potatoes 1 cup 8 mcg

    to make the picture complete.

    So pleasing make some more research next time before suggesting such a
    non-sense.

    Mirek

  9. "Mirek Fidler" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    it relates to lc diets in humans. Finally, there is a growing concern
    over Homocysteine level as a risk factor in diabetics for heart


    disease

    Quoted message said:

    related death rates and higher protein diets can produce higher levels


    of

    Quoted message said:

    it. One way to lower it is by using greater amounts of folic acid


    which in

    Quoted message said:

    food sources is most readily found in those veggie sources most


    unlikely

    Quoted message said:

    to be on a lc diet,ie. fortified grain products, beans, spinach,
    asparagus, etc. and the amounts needed for therapy aren't likely to be


    in

    Quoted message said:

    a typical multivitamin.

    Mark, please, once again:

    Spinach is no. 1 veggie in low-carbers popularity. You can eat as much
    as 1 kg each day and many low-carbers do. (Personally, I am at about
    2.5kg / week 🙂.

    Asparagus is LC.

    While on LC, your consumption of folic acid will go up.

    And, BTW, I am really confused why do you believe that fortified
    products are better than multivitamines...

    I respect most of your opinions. But I think you should finally stop
    thinking that LC means eating less veggies (or less micronutrients). We
    have told you several times. I do not understand why you are still
    unable to realize this simple fact....

    Quoted message said:

    multivitamin. The study raises more questions then it answers because


    it

    Quoted message said:

    was not designed to be an analog of a lc diet, it was only a higher
    protein diet. It of course can't answer the most important question,


    it

    Quoted message said:

    doesn't rule out other diets being just as successful in those


    parameters

    Quoted message said:

    followed. There is no way to know if a mixed diet with a calorie


    intake to

    Quoted message said:

    maintain energy balance, moderate levels of carbs and protein and


    leaning

    Quoted message said:

    to replace saturated fats with less so would reach health goals.

    I think you do expect a little bit too much from a single rats study.

    Mirek

    I support that observation. One of the few weaknesses in his otherwise
    flawless logic.
    MikeV

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