Re: Nuke 'Em Again!!

John Hanson said:

D*Z* said:

Dally said:

Larry Hodges wrote:
> It was a simple choice. Our lives or theirs. Let me
> think....ummm...ok, drop the bomb!

Excuse me, I thought the choice had something to do with how many
Japanese would give their lives in the assault. Are you changing
the terms? But let's pretend that's the conversation: killing a
bunch of civilians versus risking soldier's lives in an invasion.
An American soldier's life versus a Japanese child in the
classroom's life.

The issue had a lot to do with the Soviet presence in Far East and
fears that Japan would become the 16th USSR Republic. Soviet role in
the WW2 was most important - e.g. 90% of German casualties were on the
Eastern Front and by 1945 Soviet army become quite strong. Some of the
"Japanese Northern Territories" still went to Russia. I've been to
these islands, the closest one is a swim away from Hokkaido. During
the 2nd week of August 1945 Soviets occupied a large Japanese
controlled territory, the size of Western Europe. Some historians
argue that Japan would surrender shortly after that.

Name one historian who says that. Nobody in their right mind would
argue that.

I don't know "what would happen if..." re Japanese capitulation and
neither do you. However that opinion among historians including
Western is not uncommon. It's out there if you'd like to look it up.

Dally said:

Glad just doesn't seem to be the right term for describing
the use of atomic weapons.

That's because you're not "thinking" like a U.S.
or an al qadea extremist/terrorist...

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In September and October 2003, McClellan said he had spoken
directly with Rove about the matter and that "he was not
involved" in leaking Plame's identity to the news media.
McClellan said at the time: "The president knows that Karl
Rove wasn't involved," "It was a ridiculous suggestion"
and "It's not true."
Yet another in the endless stirng of bu$h's lies.

"We argued, as did the security services in this country,
that the attacks on Afghanistan and Iraq would increase the
threat of terrorist attack in Britain. Tragically Londoners
have now paid the price of the Government ignoring such
warnings." Respect MP George Galloway 7-7-05

"They are waging a campaign of murder and destruction. And
there is no limit to the innocent lives they are willing to
take... men with blind hatred and armed with lethal weapons
who are capable of any atrocity... they respect no laws of
warfare or morality."
-bu$h describing his own illegal invasion of Iraq.
http://www.robert-fisk.com/iraqwarvictims_mar2003.htm

"Brutal and sadistic? By what girly-man standards? Compared
to how Saddam treated his prisoners, a bit of humiliation was
a walk in the park. AFAIK, No one died or even lost any blood."
-Albert Nurick, a usenet kook and blatant liar, on the rape,
torture and murder at bu$h's Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq.
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0512-10.htm

"Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things
that matter." -- Martin Luther King Jr.

"God told me to strike at al Qaeda and I struck them. And then
he instructed me to strike at Saddam, which I did."
-- George W. Bush

"Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the
will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the
Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord."
-- Adolf [censored]

"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President,
or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is
not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable
to the American public."
-- Theodore Roosevelt (1918)

Don't let bu$h do to the United States what his very close
friend and top campaign contributor, Ken Lay, did to Enron...

Dally said:

Glad just doesn't seem to be the right term for describing
the use of atomic weapons.

That's because you're not "thinking" like a U.S.
or an al qadea extremist/terrorist...

-

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http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/pol/80315675.html

In September and October 2003, McClellan said he had spoken
directly with Rove about the matter and that "he was not
involved" in leaking Plame's identity to the news media.
McClellan said at the time: "The president knows that Karl
Rove wasn't involved," "It was a ridiculous suggestion"
and "It's not true."
Yet another in the endless stirng of bu$h's lies.

"We argued, as did the security services in this country,
that the attacks on Afghanistan and Iraq would increase the
threat of terrorist attack in Britain. Tragically Londoners
have now paid the price of the Government ignoring such
warnings." Respect MP George Galloway 7-7-05

"They are waging a campaign of murder and destruction. And
there is no limit to the innocent lives they are willing to
take... men with blind hatred and armed with lethal weapons
who are capable of any atrocity... they respect no laws of
warfare or morality."
-bu$h describing his own illegal invasion of Iraq.
http://www.robert-fisk.com/iraqwarvictims_mar2003.htm

"Brutal and sadistic? By what girly-man standards? Compared
to how Saddam treated his prisoners, a bit of humiliation was
a walk in the park. AFAIK, No one died or even lost any blood."
-Albert Nurick, a usenet kook and blatant liar, on the rape,
torture and murder at bu$h's Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq.
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0512-10.htm

"Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things
that matter." -- Martin Luther King Jr.

"God told me to strike at al Qaeda and I struck them. And then
he instructed me to strike at Saddam, which I did."
-- George W. Bush

"Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the
will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the
Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord."
-- Adolf [censored]

"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President,
or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is
not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable
to the American public."
-- Theodore Roosevelt (1918)

Don't let bu$h do to the United States what his very close
friend and top campaign contributor, Ken Lay, did to Enron...

David Cohen said:

There are no civilians in inter-nation warfare.

Just completed basic training with al Qaeda, eh?
I'm giving your name to Homeland Security...

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http://thirdworldtraveler.com/
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http://responsiblewealth.org/
http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/pol/80315675.html

In September and October 2003, McClellan said he had spoken
directly with Rove about the matter and that "he was not
involved" in leaking Plame's identity to the news media.
McClellan said at the time: "The president knows that Karl
Rove wasn't involved," "It was a ridiculous suggestion"
and "It's not true."
Yet another in the endless string of bu$h's lies.

"We argued, as did the security services in this country,
that the attacks on Afghanistan and Iraq would increase the
threat of terrorist attack in Britain. Tragically Londoners
have now paid the price of the Government ignoring such
warnings." Respect MP George Galloway 7-7-05

"They are waging a campaign of murder and destruction. And
there is no limit to the innocent lives they are willing to
take... men with blind hatred and armed with lethal weapons
who are capable of any atrocity... they respect no laws of
warfare or morality."
-bu$h describing his own illegal invasion of Iraq.
http://www.robert-fisk.com/iraqwarvictims_mar2003.htm

"Brutal and sadistic? By what girly-man standards? Compared
to how Saddam treated his prisoners, a bit of humiliation was
a walk in the park. AFAIK, No one died or even lost any blood."
-Albert Nurick, a usenet kook and blatant liar, on the rape,
torture and murder at bu$h's Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq.
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0512-10.htm

"Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things
that matter." -- Martin Luther King Jr.

"God told me to strike at al Qaeda and I struck them. And then
he instructed me to strike at Saddam, which I did."
-- George W. Bush

"Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the
will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the
Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord."
-- Adolf [censored]

"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President,
or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is
not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable
to the American public."
-- Theodore Roosevelt (1918)

Don't let bu$h do to the United States what his very close
friend and top campaign contributor, Ken Lay, did to Enron...

David Cohen said:

There are no civilians in inter-nation warfare.

Just completed basic training with al Qaeda, eh?
I'm giving your name to Homeland Security...

-

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http://www.truthout.org/
http://www.prohibitioncosts.org/
http://thirdworldtraveler.com/
http://counterpunch.org/
http://responsiblewealth.org/
http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/pol/80315675.html

In September and October 2003, McClellan said he had spoken
directly with Rove about the matter and that "he was not
involved" in leaking Plame's identity to the news media.
McClellan said at the time: "The president knows that Karl
Rove wasn't involved," "It was a ridiculous suggestion"
and "It's not true."
Yet another in the endless string of bu$h's lies.

"We argued, as did the security services in this country,
that the attacks on Afghanistan and Iraq would increase the
threat of terrorist attack in Britain. Tragically Londoners
have now paid the price of the Government ignoring such
warnings." Respect MP George Galloway 7-7-05

"They are waging a campaign of murder and destruction. And
there is no limit to the innocent lives they are willing to
take... men with blind hatred and armed with lethal weapons
who are capable of any atrocity... they respect no laws of
warfare or morality."
-bu$h describing his own illegal invasion of Iraq.
http://www.robert-fisk.com/iraqwarvictims_mar2003.htm

"Brutal and sadistic? By what girly-man standards? Compared
to how Saddam treated his prisoners, a bit of humiliation was
a walk in the park. AFAIK, No one died or even lost any blood."
-Albert Nurick, a usenet kook and blatant liar, on the rape,
torture and murder at bu$h's Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq.
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0512-10.htm

"Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things
that matter." -- Martin Luther King Jr.

"God told me to strike at al Qaeda and I struck them. And then
he instructed me to strike at Saddam, which I did."
-- George W. Bush

"Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the
will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the
Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord."
-- Adolf [censored]

"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President,
or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is
not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable
to the American public."
-- Theodore Roosevelt (1918)

Don't let bu$h do to the United States what his very close
friend and top campaign contributor, Ken Lay, did to Enron...

Donovan Rebbechi said:

Dopey censored said:

Donovan Rebbechi <[email hidden]> writes:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

What leads you to believe he's trolling, Donovan?

Quoted message said:

Because it's an inflammatory and silly statement. He's
essentially echoing Osama bin Laden's point of view.

He's like a pseudo bin Laden - a bin Laden without
the courage to fight for his convictions. A bin Laden
minus a nut sack. <g>

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http://www.prohibitioncosts.org/
http://thirdworldtraveler.com/
http://counterpunch.org/
http://responsiblewealth.org/
http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/pol/80315675.html

In September and October 2003, McClellan said he had spoken
directly with Rove about the matter and that "he was not
involved" in leaking Plame's identity to the news media.
McClellan said at the time: "The president knows that Karl
Rove wasn't involved," "It was a ridiculous suggestion"
and "It's not true."
Yet another in the endless stirng of bu$h's lies.

"We argued, as did the security services in this country,
that the attacks on Afghanistan and Iraq would increase the
threat of terrorist attack in Britain. Tragically Londoners
have now paid the price of the Government ignoring such
warnings." Respect MP George Galloway 7-7-05

"They are waging a campaign of murder and destruction. And
there is no limit to the innocent lives they are willing to
take... men with blind hatred and armed with lethal weapons
who are capable of any atrocity... they respect no laws of
warfare or morality."
-bu$h describing his own illegal invasion of Iraq.
http://www.robert-fisk.com/iraqwarvictims_mar2003.htm

"Brutal and sadistic? By what girly-man standards? Compared
to how Saddam treated his prisoners, a bit of humiliation was
a walk in the park. AFAIK, No one died or even lost any blood."
-Albert Nurick, a usenet kook and blatant liar, on the rape,
torture and murder at bu$h's Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq.
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0512-10.htm

"Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things
that matter." -- Martin Luther King Jr.

"God told me to strike at al Qaeda and I struck them. And then
he instructed me to strike at Saddam, which I did."
-- George W. Bush

"Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the
will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the
Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord."
-- Adolf [censored]

"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President,
or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is
not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable
to the American public."
-- Theodore Roosevelt (1918)

Don't let bu$h do to the United States what his very close
friend and top campaign contributor, Ken Lay, did to Enron...

Donovan Rebbechi said:

Dopey censored said:

Donovan Rebbechi <[email hidden]> writes:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

What leads you to believe he's trolling, Donovan?

Quoted message said:

Because it's an inflammatory and silly statement. He's
essentially echoing Osama bin Laden's point of view.

He's like a pseudo bin Laden - a bin Laden without
the courage to fight for his convictions. A bin Laden
minus a nut sack. <g>

-

http://www.commondreams.org/
http://www.truthout.org/
http://www.prohibitioncosts.org/
http://thirdworldtraveler.com/
http://counterpunch.org/
http://responsiblewealth.org/
http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/pol/80315675.html

In September and October 2003, McClellan said he had spoken
directly with Rove about the matter and that "he was not
involved" in leaking Plame's identity to the news media.
McClellan said at the time: "The president knows that Karl
Rove wasn't involved," "It was a ridiculous suggestion"
and "It's not true."
Yet another in the endless stirng of bu$h's lies.

"We argued, as did the security services in this country,
that the attacks on Afghanistan and Iraq would increase the
threat of terrorist attack in Britain. Tragically Londoners
have now paid the price of the Government ignoring such
warnings." Respect MP George Galloway 7-7-05

"They are waging a campaign of murder and destruction. And
there is no limit to the innocent lives they are willing to
take... men with blind hatred and armed with lethal weapons
who are capable of any atrocity... they respect no laws of
warfare or morality."
-bu$h describing his own illegal invasion of Iraq.
http://www.robert-fisk.com/iraqwarvictims_mar2003.htm

"Brutal and sadistic? By what girly-man standards? Compared
to how Saddam treated his prisoners, a bit of humiliation was
a walk in the park. AFAIK, No one died or even lost any blood."
-Albert Nurick, a usenet kook and blatant liar, on the rape,
torture and murder at bu$h's Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq.
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0512-10.htm

"Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things
that matter." -- Martin Luther King Jr.

"God told me to strike at al Qaeda and I struck them. And then
he instructed me to strike at Saddam, which I did."
-- George W. Bush

"Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the
will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the
Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord."
-- Adolf [censored]

"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President,
or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is
not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable
to the American public."
-- Theodore Roosevelt (1918)

Don't let bu$h do to the United States what his very close
friend and top campaign contributor, Ken Lay, did to Enron...

On Tue, 09 Aug 2005 20:42:36 -0400, Hank <"stopbu$h"@warcrimes.gov>

Quoted message said:

Just completed basic training with al Qaeda, eh?

He sure talks like it.

TBR

"As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and
more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day
the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the
White House will be adorned by a downright moron."
H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
"Anyone with degrees from Yale and Harvard is presumed to be intelligent,
but George W. Bush has managed to overcome that presumption."
S**t list: Charlie Bendahoe, TBR imposter

On Tue, 09 Aug 2005 20:55:48 -0400, Hank <"stopbu$h"@warcrimes.gov>

Quoted message said:

He's like a pseudo bin Laden - a bin Laden without
the courage to fight for his convictions. A bin Laden
minus a nut sack. <g>

A Bin Laden minus 50 million dollars.

TBR

"As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and
more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day
the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the
White House will be adorned by a downright moron."
H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
"Anyone with degrees from Yale and Harvard is presumed to be intelligent,
but George W. Bush has managed to overcome that presumption."
S**t list: Charlie Bendahoe, TBR imposter

On 09 Aug 2005 20:48:02 GMT, D*Z*
<[email hidden]> wrote in
misc.fitness.weights:

Quoted message said:

John Hanson said:

D*Z* said:

Dally <[email hidden]> wrote:
> Larry Hodges wrote:
>> It was a simple choice. Our lives or theirs. Let me
>> think....ummm...ok, drop the bomb!
>
> Excuse me, I thought the choice had something to do with how many
> Japanese would give their lives in the assault. Are you changing
> the terms? But let's pretend that's the conversation: killing a
> bunch of civilians versus risking soldier's lives in an invasion.
> An American soldier's life versus a Japanese child in the
> classroom's life.

The issue had a lot to do with the Soviet presence in Far East and
fears that Japan would become the 16th USSR Republic. Soviet role in
the WW2 was most important - e.g. 90% of German casualties were on the
Eastern Front and by 1945 Soviet army become quite strong. Some of the
"Japanese Northern Territories" still went to Russia. I've been to
these islands, the closest one is a swim away from Hokkaido. During
the 2nd week of August 1945 Soviets occupied a large Japanese
controlled territory, the size of Western Europe. Some historians
argue that Japan would surrender shortly after that.

Name one historian who says that. Nobody in their right mind would
argue that.

I don't know "what would happen if..." re Japanese capitulation and
neither do you. However that opinion among historians including
Western is not uncommon. It's out there if you'd like to look it up.

Why don't you provide the cites?

David said:

What are you saying Cohen?? That runners are evil??

Cohen is very evil. If there is a god, his damnation will be to participate
in an eternal debate on the nuances of Middle Eastern foreign policy with
Saddam Hussein and Ayotollah Khomeni. The moderator is Barbara Streisand.

Cheers,
--
Donovan Rebbechi
http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/

David said:

What are you saying Cohen?? That runners are evil??

Cohen is very evil. If there is a god, his damnation will be to participate
in an eternal debate on the nuances of Middle Eastern foreign policy with
Saddam Hussein and Ayotollah Khomeni. The moderator is Barbara Streisand.

Cheers,
--
Donovan Rebbechi
http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/

"Donovan Rebbechi" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

David said:

What are you saying Cohen?? That runners are evil??

Cohen is very evil. If there is a god, his damnation will be to
participate
in an eternal debate on the nuances of Middle Eastern foreign policy with
Saddam Hussein and Ayotollah Khomeni. The moderator is Barbara Streisand.

<not quite LOL, but smiling broadly> OK, even the Way Far Left can be funny
🙂

To be REALLY Hell, she'd be singing.

David

"Donovan Rebbechi" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

David said:

What are you saying Cohen?? That runners are evil??

Cohen is very evil. If there is a god, his damnation will be to
participate
in an eternal debate on the nuances of Middle Eastern foreign policy with
Saddam Hussein and Ayotollah Khomeni. The moderator is Barbara Streisand.

<not quite LOL, but smiling broadly> OK, even the Way Far Left can be funny
🙂

To be REALLY Hell, she'd be singing.

David

"Donovan Rebbechi" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

David said:

What are you saying Cohen?? That runners are evil??

Cohen is very evil. If there is a god, his damnation will be to

participate

Quoted message said:

in an eternal debate on the nuances of Middle Eastern foreign policy with
Saddam Hussein and Ayotollah Khomeni. The moderator is Barbara Streisand.

What about he is forced to listen non stop to Celine Dion CD'S?