Re: Nuke 'Em Again!!

WillBrink said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Ryan Case said:

WillBrink said:

In article <[email hidden]>,
Ryan Case <[email hidden]> wrote:

>WillBrink wrote:
>
>
>
>>In article <[email hidden]>, Dally <[email hidden]>
>>wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>How's that?
>>
>>
>>Terrible and estrogen filled. If I was told by the doc tests showed the
>>kid was going to come out with DS, I would go in there myself with a
>>spoon and terminate it.
>>
>
>
>As the parent of a special needs child I can say without doubt that you
>just destroyed any respect I had for you.
>

Your personal experience is irrelevant. It's great you love your special
needs kid, but given the choice, I would want the option to terminate,
and if they were not already in this world, I would want to save them
and I the heartbreak of such afflictions.

Hmmm. I am sure that if I had the time and desire I could come up with a
pretty convincing argument comparing the pains and benefits of raising
such a child with the pains and benefits of working out/lifting weights.

And I would have no problems countering such an odd comparison. I have
much respect for people who give all they have to raising a DS kid.

I want to make sure that I don't misrepresent myself here. My son is not
DS. He is Hemipalegic (sp).

Quoted message said:

Bottom line however is it's not what you or anyone else wished for or
hoped for, but what you got.

Careful there. My wife and I skipped the tests that could have told us
whether or not our son had certain hereditary problems as it didn't
matter to us. When we chose to have a child we chose to love whoever and
whatever we were given. (I could include some faith based reasoning, but
I don't want to stir up the aetheist jews.)

I will tell you that I have never felt like my son was "what I got".
That is quite obviously an outside perspective of someone who looks at
children with physical/mental differences like a parting gift for the
parents that didn't win.

Do you have *any* children?

Oh, and having the tests wouldn't have done any good. Just from an
informational standpoint. It was an compatability issue between my 5'6"
wife and my 10.5lb (at birth) son. He ended up constricting the
umbylical (sp) cord in the last week causing a hypoxic episode, causing
a stroke, causing kidney failure, causing liver failure, causing
respitory failure, causing adrenal gland failure.....Stupid doctor kept
saying, "oh, he'll be an average 7~8lb baby." If anyone should be
terminated it should be him for being lax.

Quoted message said:

People should have the choice to decide if
that's what they want vs having it forced on them by right to life born
again Hitlers that have taken over large parts of the government at this
time.

I don't disagree that people should have a choice. People should be free
to make the wrong choices. I just see what you forsee as your choice in
that situation as the wrong one. And a very selfish one at that. And yes
I agree that there is a movement in our country to let a group of libral
"do gooders" try to make everyone's decisions for them. And yes I think
that it is wrong.

And for the same reasons that people should be allowed to make the wrong
choices, I should be allowed to try and make them see why I think that
it is the wrong choice.

I would like the opportunity, if you will let me, to retract my former
comment concerning respect for you. It was a knee jerk reaction, based
on emotions from my own life experiences. I have been lurking here on
and off for the better part of five years and have found you to be one
of the better regulars. In fact, I get your newsletter etc.

I would like to strongly encourage you to find someone that you know who
has a special needs child and spend some time with them. In fact spend a
lot of time with them. Then reconsider your stance on this. If you were
in my neck of the woods I would gladly have you out to meet my son. (He
turns two on Sunday).

It makes me sick to think that such a loving, joyful, happy little boy
could have not had the chance to touch the people that he has, becuase a
parent could have terminated him due to *complications*.

http://jamesrobert.us/images/robbie/aug_04_13.jpg

Ryan Case

Ryan Case said:

Do you have *any* children?

God forbid. Luckily his testicles are shriveled up like raisains from
the roids, so the world is safe.

TBR

"As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and
more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day
the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the
White House will be adorned by a downright moron."
H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
"Anyone with degrees from Yale and Harvard is presumed to be intelligent,
but George W. Bush has managed to overcome that presumption."
S**t list: Charlie Bendahoe, TBR imposter

Ryan Case said:

Do you have *any* children?

God forbid. Luckily his testicles are shriveled up like raisains from
the roids, so the world is safe.

TBR

"As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and
more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day
the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the
White House will be adorned by a downright moron."
H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
"Anyone with degrees from Yale and Harvard is presumed to be intelligent,
but George W. Bush has managed to overcome that presumption."
S**t list: Charlie Bendahoe, TBR imposter

In article <[email hidden]>,

The Bill Rodgers said:

WillBrink said:

It appears not only are you retarded, your memory for the stupid [censored]
you spout is poor:

"Wrong. Massachusetts for one, has no self defense statue." stated by
you. You were then corrected and ran off back down your hole where you
now stay.

Keep up the good work.

No, you fell right into my trap. You claimed I commented on a gun law,
the self defense statute has nothing to do with guns.

And your comments on said self defense laws in MA were wrong, and you
tucked your tail and ran like a [censored] when your ignorance was corrected.

Quoted message said:

You are a moron.

You think that back peddle you are doing will save you here? Bwaha ha ha
ha. That's funny.

--
Will Brink @ http://www.brinkzone.com/

In article <[email hidden]>,

The Bill Rodgers said:

WillBrink said:

It appears not only are you retarded, your memory for the stupid [censored]
you spout is poor:

"Wrong. Massachusetts for one, has no self defense statue." stated by
you. You were then corrected and ran off back down your hole where you
now stay.

Keep up the good work.

No, you fell right into my trap. You claimed I commented on a gun law,
the self defense statute has nothing to do with guns.

And your comments on said self defense laws in MA were wrong, and you
tucked your tail and ran like a [censored] when your ignorance was corrected.

Quoted message said:

You are a moron.

You think that back peddle you are doing will save you here? Bwaha ha ha
ha. That's funny.

--
Will Brink @ http://www.brinkzone.com/

WillBrink said:

And your comments on said self defense laws in MA were wrong, and you
tucked your tail and ran like a [censored] when your ignorance was corrected.

No it is not wrong. There are currently thousands of people in jail on
charges because they chose to defend themselves. There is no self
defense law in mass.
And although you are the definitive authority on [censored], there's a
reason I don't respond when I'm away from the PC for awhile, and when
I check in there's 95 posts, mostly telling Dally how fat and ugly she
is, I chose not to read them. Ignoring the biggest bunch of [censored] I
ever saw gathered in one NG, is not running.

TBR

"As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and
more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day
the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the
White House will be adorned by a downright moron."
H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
"Anyone with degrees from Yale and Harvard is presumed to be intelligent,
but George W. Bush has managed to overcome that presumption."
S**t list: Charlie Bendahoe, TBR imposter

WillBrink said:

And your comments on said self defense laws in MA were wrong, and you
tucked your tail and ran like a [censored] when your ignorance was corrected.

No it is not wrong. There are currently thousands of people in jail on
charges because they chose to defend themselves. There is no self
defense law in mass.
And although you are the definitive authority on [censored], there's a
reason I don't respond when I'm away from the PC for awhile, and when
I check in there's 95 posts, mostly telling Dally how fat and ugly she
is, I chose not to read them. Ignoring the biggest bunch of [censored] I
ever saw gathered in one NG, is not running.

TBR

"As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and
more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day
the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the
White House will be adorned by a downright moron."
H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
"Anyone with degrees from Yale and Harvard is presumed to be intelligent,
but George W. Bush has managed to overcome that presumption."
S**t list: Charlie Bendahoe, TBR imposter

In article <[email hidden]>,

Ryan Case said:

WillBrink said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Ryan Case said:

WillBrink wrote:

>In article <[email hidden]>,
> Ryan Case <[email hidden]> wrote:
>
>
>
>>WillBrink wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>In article <[email hidden]>, Dally <[email hidden]>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>How's that?
>>>
>>>
>>>Terrible and estrogen filled. If I was told by the doc tests showed the
>>>kid was going to come out with DS, I would go in there myself with a
>>>spoon and terminate it.
>>>
>>
>>
>>As the parent of a special needs child I can say without doubt that you
>>just destroyed any respect I had for you.
>>
>
>
>Your personal experience is irrelevant. It's great you love your special
>needs kid, but given the choice, I would want the option to terminate,
>and if they were not already in this world, I would want to save them
>and I the heartbreak of such afflictions.
>

Hmmm. I am sure that if I had the time and desire I could come up with a
pretty convincing argument comparing the pains and benefits of raising
such a child with the pains and benefits of working out/lifting weights.

And I would have no problems countering such an odd comparison. I have
much respect for people who give all they have to raising a DS kid.

I want to make sure that I don't misrepresent myself here. My son is not
DS. He is Hemipalegic (sp).

Quoted message said:

Bottom line however is it's not what you or anyone else wished for or
hoped for, but what you got.

Careful there. My wife and I skipped the tests that could have told us
whether or not our son had certain hereditary problems as it didn't
matter to us. When we chose to have a child we chose to love whoever and
whatever we were given. (I could include some faith based reasoning, but
I don't want to stir up the aetheist jews.)

Ah, so if you go to have another kid, and the doc says "we now have a
drug that is 100% safe and effective for making sure that problem is
corrected with this next child" your response would be "no thanx doc, we
want another kid who is Hemipalegic." Sorry, I don't buy it nor would
any parent turn that away. You can justify all you want how grateful you
are to have a special needs kid. It wont have any effects on me as I
know the truth. No one wishes for a handicapped, SD, retarded, etc kid
and given the actual choice, would choose not to have it if they could
cure it. The rest is academic as to what I would choose to have and
what you have chosen to accept.

--
Will Brink @ http://www.brinkzone.com/

In article <[email hidden]>,

Ryan Case said:

WillBrink said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Ryan Case said:

WillBrink wrote:

>In article <[email hidden]>,
> Ryan Case <[email hidden]> wrote:
>
>
>
>>WillBrink wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>In article <[email hidden]>, Dally <[email hidden]>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>How's that?
>>>
>>>
>>>Terrible and estrogen filled. If I was told by the doc tests showed the
>>>kid was going to come out with DS, I would go in there myself with a
>>>spoon and terminate it.
>>>
>>
>>
>>As the parent of a special needs child I can say without doubt that you
>>just destroyed any respect I had for you.
>>
>
>
>Your personal experience is irrelevant. It's great you love your special
>needs kid, but given the choice, I would want the option to terminate,
>and if they were not already in this world, I would want to save them
>and I the heartbreak of such afflictions.
>

Hmmm. I am sure that if I had the time and desire I could come up with a
pretty convincing argument comparing the pains and benefits of raising
such a child with the pains and benefits of working out/lifting weights.

And I would have no problems countering such an odd comparison. I have
much respect for people who give all they have to raising a DS kid.

I want to make sure that I don't misrepresent myself here. My son is not
DS. He is Hemipalegic (sp).

Quoted message said:

Bottom line however is it's not what you or anyone else wished for or
hoped for, but what you got.

Careful there. My wife and I skipped the tests that could have told us
whether or not our son had certain hereditary problems as it didn't
matter to us. When we chose to have a child we chose to love whoever and
whatever we were given. (I could include some faith based reasoning, but
I don't want to stir up the aetheist jews.)

Ah, so if you go to have another kid, and the doc says "we now have a
drug that is 100% safe and effective for making sure that problem is
corrected with this next child" your response would be "no thanx doc, we
want another kid who is Hemipalegic." Sorry, I don't buy it nor would
any parent turn that away. You can justify all you want how grateful you
are to have a special needs kid. It wont have any effects on me as I
know the truth. No one wishes for a handicapped, SD, retarded, etc kid
and given the actual choice, would choose not to have it if they could
cure it. The rest is academic as to what I would choose to have and
what you have chosen to accept.

--
Will Brink @ http://www.brinkzone.com/

WillBrink said:

Ah, so if you go to have another kid, and the doc says "we now have a
drug that is 100% safe and effective for making sure that problem is
corrected with this next child" your response would be "no thanx doc, we
want another kid who is Hemipalegic." Sorry, I don't buy it nor would
any parent turn that away.

Willbur, you aren't paying attention. Now you're just grasping at
straws, and making stuff up.

TBR

"As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and
more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day
the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the
White House will be adorned by a downright moron."
H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
"Anyone with degrees from Yale and Harvard is presumed to be intelligent,
but George W. Bush has managed to overcome that presumption."
S**t list: Charlie Bendahoe, TBR imposter

"David Cohen" <[email hidden]> wrote > "WillBrink"
<[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Dally said:

WillBrink wrote:
> Dally <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>How's that?

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> Terrible and estrogen filled.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Succinct and descriptive (of the author as well as the text.)

Quoted message said:

Succinct and descriptive = estrogen filled dribble to the reader.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> If I was told by the doc tests showed the
> kid was going to come out with DS, I would go in there myself with a
> spoon and terminate it.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Yeah, probably, but wouldn't you want to be in there with a spoon
terminating ANY pregnancy?

Quoted message said:

Hmmm, you have a point there....

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

It's okay to HOPE for a stellar example of our genes being expressed,
but if you want kids, really really want kids, you take what you get.

Quoted message said:

Thus why I don't have kids. Might get stuck with a girl....

That's why obstetricians smack babies on the butt when they're born.

Knocks the [censored] off the stupid ones.

An original MFW medical opinion.

Ryan Case said:

It makes me sick to think that such a loving, joyful, happy little boy
could have not had the chance to touch the people that he has, becuase a
parent could have terminated him due to *complications*.

http://jamesrobert.us/images/robbie/aug_04_13.jpg

Lovely. And not a drop of estrogen to be found.

Dally

Dally said:

Lovely. And not a drop of estrogen to be found.

Then why is he sitting on that guys face? And even more disturbing,
why is the guy enjoying it?

TBR

"As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and
more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day
the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the
White House will be adorned by a downright moron."
H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
"Anyone with degrees from Yale and Harvard is presumed to be intelligent,
but George W. Bush has managed to overcome that presumption."
S**t list: Charlie Bendahoe, TBR imposter

WillBrink said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Ryan Case said:

WillBrink said:

In article <[email hidden]>,
Ryan Case <[email hidden]> wrote:

>WillBrink wrote:
>
>
>
>>In article <[email hidden]>,
>>Ryan Case <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>WillBrink wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>In article <[email hidden]>, Dally <[email hidden]>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>How's that?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Terrible and estrogen filled. If I was told by the doc tests showed the
>>>>kid was going to come out with DS, I would go in there myself with a
>>>>spoon and terminate it.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>As the parent of a special needs child I can say without doubt that you
>>>just destroyed any respect I had for you.
>>>
>>
>>
>>Your personal experience is irrelevant. It's great you love your special
>>needs kid, but given the choice, I would want the option to terminate,
>>and if they were not already in this world, I would want to save them
>>and I the heartbreak of such afflictions.
>>
>
>Hmmm. I am sure that if I had the time and desire I could come up with a
>pretty convincing argument comparing the pains and benefits of raising
>such a child with the pains and benefits of working out/lifting weights.

And I would have no problems countering such an odd comparison. I have
much respect for people who give all they have to raising a DS kid.

I want to make sure that I don't misrepresent myself here. My son is not
DS. He is Hemipalegic (sp).

Quoted message said:

Bottom line however is it's not what you or anyone else wished for or
hoped for, but what you got.

Careful there. My wife and I skipped the tests that could have told us
whether or not our son had certain hereditary problems as it didn't
matter to us. When we chose to have a child we chose to love whoever and
whatever we were given. (I could include some faith based reasoning, but
I don't want to stir up the aetheist jews.)

Ah, so if you go to have another kid, and the doc says "we now have a
drug that is 100% safe and effective for making sure that problem is
corrected with this next child" your response would be "no thanx doc, we
want another kid who is Hemipalegic."

No. And I didn't mean to imply this. (Sorry if it seemed that I was)

What I am simply stating is that a child not being "medically perfect"
is not reason to terminate it in my eyes. But I also don't see aborting
an imperfect pregnancy as a solution or a means of "making sure that
problem is corrected". And it seams to me that you are in a round about
way equating the two.

Quite simply, if in the first tri-mester I was told that my next child
was going to hemi (yes I have heard all the dodge jokes.) I wouldn't
even have to think about whether or not I was going to keep him.

Of course I would rather my son didn't have to go through these
difficulties. I would be crazy to wish otherwise. But that doesn't mean
that I feel he would have been better off to not exist. Which is what it
seemed you were saying.

Quoted message said:

Sorry, I don't buy it nor would
any parent turn that away. You can justify all you want how grateful you
are to have a special needs kid.

Once again, there is a major difference between turning away a cure, and
turning away from a pregnancy because of complications. You seem to be
equating the again.

I am greatful to have a child, special needs or not. The truth of the
matter is that when you are in this kind of situation it is just life.
Not normal life, or special needs life or any of that other labeling
[censored]. It is life, dealing with the hand you are dealt, just like my bum
knee, skin cancer and bad skin, but on a different level.

Quoted message said:

It wont have any effects on me as I
know the truth.
No one wishes for a handicapped, SD, retarded, etc kid
and given the actual choice, would choose not to have it if they could
cure it.

I am not stating the opposite to that (although I do have some friends
that would like to adopt a DS child). What I was saying is that there
are many folks out there who don't see killing a pregnancy becuase it is
imperfect as an option. I feel I must bring us back to what caused me to
have the emotional knee jerk reaction in your original post. You stated
that you would abort a "imperfect" pregnancy. Now you are talking about
curing it. Two different things. Plain and simple. Curing an ilness/
malidy usually does not require the death of the host/afflicted. What
you are talking about is irradication.

One must be careful. This almost smacks of halocost. Curing the world of
DS babies by aborting them. (because you don't know me very well, I feel
it is in the best interest of this discussion to let you know that that
was a good natured jab.)

Quoted message said:

The rest is academic as to what I would choose to have and
what you have chosen to accept.

Agreed. And a part of me feels sorry for you for your, albeit
hypothetical, decision in the matter. I hope that something happens in
your life to cause you to change your mind. But I am not going to make
it my job to try and do so.

Ryan

Quoted message said:

WillBrink said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Ryan Case said:

WillBrink said:

In article <[email hidden]>,
Ryan Case <[email hidden]> wrote:

>WillBrink wrote:
>
>
>
>>In article <[email hidden]>,
>>Ryan Case <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>WillBrink wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>In article <[email hidden]>, Dally <[email hidden]>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>How's that?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Terrible and estrogen filled. If I was told by the doc tests showed the
>>>>kid was going to come out with DS, I would go in there myself with a
>>>>spoon and terminate it.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>As the parent of a special needs child I can say without doubt that you
>>>just destroyed any respect I had for you.
>>>
>>
>>
>>Your personal experience is irrelevant. It's great you love your special
>>needs kid, but given the choice, I would want the option to terminate,
>>and if they were not already in this world, I would want to save them
>>and I the heartbreak of such afflictions.
>>
>
>Hmmm. I am sure that if I had the time and desire I could come up with a
>pretty convincing argument comparing the pains and benefits of raising
>such a child with the pains and benefits of working out/lifting weights.

And I would have no problems countering such an odd comparison. I have
much respect for people who give all they have to raising a DS kid.

I want to make sure that I don't misrepresent myself here. My son is not
DS. He is Hemipalegic (sp).

Quoted message said:

Bottom line however is it's not what you or anyone else wished for or
hoped for, but what you got.

Careful there. My wife and I skipped the tests that could have told us
whether or not our son had certain hereditary problems as it didn't
matter to us. When we chose to have a child we chose to love whoever and
whatever we were given. (I could include some faith based reasoning, but
I don't want to stir up the aetheist jews.)

Ah, so if you go to have another kid, and the doc says "we now have a
drug that is 100% safe and effective for making sure that problem is
corrected with this next child" your response would be "no thanx doc, we
want another kid who is Hemipalegic."

No. And I didn't mean to imply this. (Sorry if it seemed that I was)

What I am simply stating is that a child not being "medically perfect"
is not reason to terminate it in my eyes. But I also don't see aborting
an imperfect pregnancy as a solution or a means of "making sure that
problem is corrected". And it seams to me that you are in a round about
way equating the two.

Quite simply, if in the first tri-mester I was told that my next child
was going to hemi (yes I have heard all the dodge jokes.) I wouldn't
even have to think about whether or not I was going to keep him.

Of course I would rather my son didn't have to go through these
difficulties. I would be crazy to wish otherwise. But that doesn't mean
that I feel he would have been better off to not exist. Which is what it
seemed you were saying.

Quoted message said:

Sorry, I don't buy it nor would
any parent turn that away. You can justify all you want how grateful you
are to have a special needs kid.

Once again, there is a major difference between turning away a cure, and
turning away from a pregnancy because of complications. You seem to be
equating the again.

I am greatful to have a child, special needs or not. The truth of the
matter is that when you are in this kind of situation it is just life.
Not normal life, or special needs life or any of that other labeling
[censored]. It is life, dealing with the hand you are dealt, just like my bum
knee, skin cancer and bad skin, but on a different level.

Quoted message said:

It wont have any effects on me as I
know the truth.
No one wishes for a handicapped, SD, retarded, etc kid
and given the actual choice, would choose not to have it if they could
cure it.

I am not stating the opposite to that (although I do have some friends
that would like to adopt a DS child). What I was saying is that there
are many folks out there who don't see killing a pregnancy becuase it is
imperfect as an option. I feel I must bring us back to what caused me to
have the emotional knee jerk reaction in your original post. You stated
that you would abort a "imperfect" pregnancy. Now you are talking about
curing it. Two different things. Plain and simple. Curing an ilness/
malidy usually does not require the death of the host/afflicted. What
you are talking about is irradication.

One must be careful. This almost smacks of halocost. Curing the world of
DS babies by aborting them. (because you don't know me very well, I feel
it is in the best interest of this discussion to let you know that that
was a good natured jab.)

Quoted message said:

The rest is academic as to what I would choose to have and
what you have chosen to accept.

Agreed. And a part of me feels sorry for you for your, albeit
hypothetical, decision in the matter. I hope that something happens in
your life to cause you to change your mind. But I am not going to make
it my job to try and do so.

Ryan

Quoted message said:

The Bill Rodgers said:

Dally said:

Lovely. And not a drop of estrogen to be found.

Then why is he sitting on that guys face? And even more disturbing,
why is the guy enjoying it?

I was pretty sure that I was going to have to dislike you for your sig
alone, but you made me laugh.

Ryan

The Bill Rodgers said:

Dally said:

Lovely. And not a drop of estrogen to be found.

Then why is he sitting on that guys face? And even more disturbing,
why is the guy enjoying it?

I was pretty sure that I was going to have to dislike you for your sig
alone, but you made me laugh.

Ryan

Ryan Case said:

The Bill Rodgers said:

Dally said:

Lovely. And not a drop of estrogen to be found.

Then why is he sitting on that guys face? And even more disturbing,
why is the guy enjoying it?

I was pretty sure that I was going to have to dislike you for your sig
alone, but you made me laugh.

Ryan

He made me think, "ewwww". The guy is a bit creepy if you ask me.

Dally

Ryan Case said:

The Bill Rodgers said:

Dally said:

Lovely. And not a drop of estrogen to be found.

Then why is he sitting on that guys face? And even more disturbing,
why is the guy enjoying it?

I was pretty sure that I was going to have to dislike you for your sig
alone, but you made me laugh.

Ryan

He made me think, "ewwww". The guy is a bit creepy if you ask me.

Dally

Ryan Case said:

Agreed. And a part of me feels sorry for you for your, albeit
hypothetical, decision in the matter. I hope that something happens in
your life to cause you to change your mind. But I am not going to make
it my job to try and do so.

Oops, sorry, I'm pretty sure it's somewhere in the MFW charter that you
absolutely MUST spend 800 posts on attempting to change his mind.

HTH.

Dally