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  1. That first chart is excellent! Copied to the cycling NG

    abelard said:


    cycling and child obesity
    http://home.connect.ie/dcc/submissions/ObesityTaskForceJune04_html_5d7cf34d.gif
    source
    http://home.connect.ie/dcc/submissions/ObesityTaskForceJune04.html

    obesity over 20 years in 6 countries
    http://www.iuns.org/features/obesity/Image22.gif
    which is one of several graphs here
    www.iuns.org/features/obesity/tabfig.htm

    "percentage of walking and cycling for urban transport in various
    western countries."
    http://www.cycle-helmets.com/imgs/walking.jpg

    "This graphic, provided by Transportation Alternatives, shows that
    similar benefits come from biking, walking and using public
    transportation."
    http://noimpactman.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/2007/10/16/biking_and_obesity.png

    regards

  2. Paul Turnbull said:

    That first chart is excellent! Copied to the cycling NG

    i've now put them into an item at my site....
    any suggestions to extend or improve welcome
    http://www.abelard.org/news/health2006.php#obesity_exercise_191007

    Quoted message said:
    abelard said:


    cycling and child obesity
    http://home.connect.ie/dcc/submissions/ObesityTaskForceJune04_html_5d7cf34d.gif
    source
    http://home.connect.ie/dcc/submissions/ObesityTaskForceJune04.html

    obesity over 20 years in 6 countries
    http://www.iuns.org/features/obesity/Image22.gif
    which is one of several graphs here
    www.iuns.org/features/obesity/tabfig.htm

    "percentage of walking and cycling for urban transport in various
    western countries."
    http://www.cycle-helmets.com/imgs/walking.jpg

    "This graphic, provided by Transportation Alternatives, shows that
    similar benefits come from biking, walking and using public
    transportation."
    http://noimpactman.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/2007/10/16/biking_and_obesity.png

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  3. On Oct 17, 6:27 pm, Paul Turnbull <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    That first chart is excellent! Copied to the cycling NG

    Beg to differ.
    At best the Obesity vs Walking etc (last in the list ) is a half
    decent graph though quite a few people question the use of two y-axis
    scales. The materials are excellent but the actual graphs are not.
    The first graph in particular is asking the reader to compute
    distances from two axes with irregular distances between them. Faux 3-
    D bar charts really add nothing but clutter.

    John Kane, Kingston ON Canada

    Quoted message said:


    abelard said:

    cycling and child obesity
    http://home.connect.ie/dcc/submissions/ObesityTaskForceJune04_html_5d...
    source
    http://home.connect.ie/dcc/submissions/ObesityTaskForceJune04.html

    Quoted message said:

    obesity over 20 years in 6 countries
    http://www.iuns.org/features/obesity/Image22.gif
    which is one of several graphs here
    www.iuns.org/features/obesity/tabfig.htm

    Quoted message said:

    "percentage of walking and cycling for urban transport in various
    western countries."
    http://www.cycle-helmets.com/imgs/walking.jpg

    Quoted message said:

    "This graphic, provided by Transportation Alternatives, shows that
    similar benefits come from biking, walking and using public
    transportation."
    http://noimpactman.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/2007/10/16/biking...

    regards

  4. On a purely rationalist note, we shouldn't be worried about the death
    rates from inactivity but the care costs per life versus the
    productivity of that life.
    Obviously, if someone is fitter, suffers less lost working years
    through illness, and funds their retirement fully through their
    pension then they could be better for society once the difference in
    costs of taxes raised etc. are calculated (if you drive should you be
    encouraged to smoke and drink as well? )

    ...d

  5. David Martin said:

    On a purely rationalist note, we shouldn't be worried about the death
    rates from inactivity but the care costs per life versus the
    productivity of that life.
    Obviously, if someone is fitter, suffers less lost working years
    through illness, and funds their retirement fully through their
    pension then they could be better for society once the difference in
    costs of taxes raised etc. are calculated (if you drive should you be
    encouraged to smoke and drink as well? )

    ..d

    Surely its not that simple. Lazy fat people who die early will not
    burden the state in their old age for state pension, hip replacements,
    sheltered housing etc. so their care costs may be lower than that of a
    fit person. It could go either way.

    A utilitarian approach would be better: compare happiness per annum
    multiplied by years lived for the cyclist and the fatty to see which
    lifestyle should be emcouraged.

  6. in message <[email hidden]>,

    raisethe (') said:
    David Martin said:

    On a purely rationalist note, we shouldn't be worried about the death
    rates from inactivity but the care costs per life versus the
    productivity of that life.
    Obviously, if someone is fitter, suffers less lost working years
    through illness, and funds their retirement fully through their
    pension then they could be better for society once the difference in
    costs of taxes raised etc. are calculated (if you drive should you be
    encouraged to smoke and drink as well? )

    Surely its not that simple. Lazy fat people who die early will not
    burden the state in their old age for state pension, hip replacements,
    sheltered housing etc. so their care costs may be lower than that of a
    fit person. It could go either way.

    Think you're wrong, actually. From the state's point of view the best
    citizens are those who work a long and healthy life with no chronic
    illness and minimal acute illness, and then die suddenly of heart attack
    or stroke.

    The fat lazy unhealthy person probably has diabetes, arthritis and several
    other serious chronic health problems which have to be managed from their
    fifties until they cash in their chips.

    Quoted message said:

    A utilitarian approach would be better: compare happiness per annum
    multiplied by years lived for the cyclist and the fatty to see which
    lifestyle should be emcouraged.

    That's easier: the cyclists are happier /and/ live longer /and/ (on
    average) cost the state less. There's a lot to be said for endorphin
    therapy...

    --
    [email hidden] (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/

    ;; my other religion is Emacs

  7. Simon Brooke said:
    Quoted message said:


    A utilitarian approach would be better: compare happiness per annum
    multiplied by years lived for the cyclist and the fatty to see which
    lifestyle should be emcouraged.

    That's easier: the cyclists are happier /and/ live longer /and/ (on
    average) cost the state less. There's a lot to be said for endorphin
    therapy...

    --

    Indeed. A no brainer really.

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