Re: Petition

Nuxx Bar said:

you obviously have no respect for the dead.

It's an interesting concept, respect for the dead.. how did it ever come
about? I mean, if someone is unworthy of respect during their time
alive, should they garner respect for simply for being dead? We will all
be there eventually, but there are people alive at present for whom I
have no respect for whatsoever - I can't see things will change once
they shuffle off this mortal coil, M. Thatcher for example...

T

Tony B said:

Nuxx Bar said:

you obviously have no respect for the dead.

It's an interesting concept, respect for the dead.. how did it ever come
about?

The first recorded use is by Diogenes Laertius, circa 300AD, but he
attributes it to Chilon (6th century BC). Look up "de mortuis nil nisi
bonum" on Wikipedia (which is Latin for "don't [say] anything about dead
people unless it's good"😉.

Quoted message said:

I mean, if someone is unworthy of respect during their time alive,
should they garner respect for simply for being dead?

Not really, but it can sometimes be unfair to criticize people who
aren't there to defend themselves.

Ben C said:

Tony B said:

Nuxx Bar said:

you obviously have no respect for the dead.

It's an interesting concept, respect for the dead.. how did it ever come
about?

The first recorded use is by Diogenes Laertius, circa 300AD, but he
attributes it to Chilon (6th century BC). Look up "de mortuis nil nisi
bonum" on Wikipedia (which is Latin for "don't [say] anything about dead
people unless it's good"😉.

Quoted message said:

I mean, if someone is unworthy of respect during their time alive,
should they garner respect for simply for being dead?

Not really, but it can sometimes be unfair to criticize people who
aren't there to defend themselves.

Fair enough if they're just out of the room but why would that apply to
people who are dead?

TheMgt said:

Ben C said:

Tony B said:

Nuxx Bar wrote:
> you obviously have no respect for the dead.
It's an interesting concept, respect for the dead.. how did it ever come
about?

The first recorded use is by Diogenes Laertius, circa 300AD, but he
attributes it to Chilon (6th century BC). Look up "de mortuis nil nisi
bonum" on Wikipedia (which is Latin for "don't [say] anything about dead
people unless it's good"😉.

Quoted message said:

I mean, if someone is unworthy of respect during their time alive,
should they garner respect for simply for being dead?

Not really, but it can sometimes be unfair to criticize people who
aren't there to defend themselves.

Fair enough if they're just out of the room but why would that apply to
people who are dead?

Well if they're dead they can't defend themselves even if they are in
the room.

Ben C said:

TheMgt said:

Ben C said:

On 2008-06-09, Tony B <[email hidden]> wrote:
> Nuxx Bar wrote:
>> you obviously have no respect for the dead.
> It's an interesting concept, respect for the dead.. how did it ever come
> about?
The first recorded use is by Diogenes Laertius, circa 300AD, but he
attributes it to Chilon (6th century BC). Look up "de mortuis nil nisi
bonum" on Wikipedia (which is Latin for "don't [say] anything about dead
people unless it's good"😉.

> I mean, if someone is unworthy of respect during their time alive,
> should they garner respect for simply for being dead?
Not really, but it can sometimes be unfair to criticize people who
aren't there to defend themselves.

Fair enough if they're just out of the room but why would that apply to
people who are dead?

Well if they're dead they can't defend themselves even if they are in
the room.

If they're dead then they don't need to defend themselves., they no
longer exist. They'll never hear anything anyone says about them.
I suspect the original reason for not speaking ill of the dead was to
avoid having their vengeful ghost come and bother you.

TheMgt said:

Ben C said:

TheMgt said:

Ben C wrote:
> On 2008-06-09, Tony B <[email hidden]> wrote:
>> Nuxx Bar wrote:
>>>  you obviously have no respect for the dead.  
>> It's an interesting concept, respect for the dead.. how did it ever come
>> about?
> The first recorded use is by Diogenes Laertius, circa 300AD, but he
> attributes it to Chilon (6th century BC). Look up "de mortuis nil nisi
> bonum" on Wikipedia (which is Latin for "don't [say] anything about dead
> people unless it's good"😉.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>> I mean, if someone is unworthy of respect during their time alive,
>> should they garner respect for simply for being dead?
> Not really, but it can sometimes be unfair to criticize people who
> aren't there to defend themselves.
Fair enough if they're just out of the room but why would that apply to
people who are dead?

Quoted message said:

Well if they're dead they can't defend themselves even if they are in
the room.

If they're dead then they don't need to defend themselves., they no
longer exist. They'll never hear anything anyone says about them.
I suspect the original reason for not speaking ill of the dead was to
avoid having their vengeful ghost come and bother you.- Hide quoted text -

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The ghost of Paul Smith would rattle chains at the end of your bed and
insist on showing you some pretty coloured graphs he's drawn that
prove that speed cameras cause cancer.

TheMgt said:

Ben C said:

TheMgt said:

Ben C wrote:
> On 2008-06-09, Tony B <[email hidden]> wrote:
>> Nuxx Bar wrote:
>>> you obviously have no respect for the dead.
>> It's an interesting concept, respect for the dead.. how did it ever come
>> about?
> The first recorded use is by Diogenes Laertius, circa 300AD, but he
> attributes it to Chilon (6th century BC). Look up "de mortuis nil nisi
> bonum" on Wikipedia (which is Latin for "don't [say] anything about dead
> people unless it's good"😉.
>
>> I mean, if someone is unworthy of respect during their time alive,
>> should they garner respect for simply for being dead?
> Not really, but it can sometimes be unfair to criticize people who
> aren't there to defend themselves.
Fair enough if they're just out of the room but why would that apply to
people who are dead?

Well if they're dead they can't defend themselves even if they are in
the room.

If they're dead then they don't need to defend themselves., they no
longer exist.

By that logic there would also be no need to attack them.

Quoted message said:

They'll never hear anything anyone says about them.
I suspect the original reason for not speaking ill of the dead was to
avoid having their vengeful ghost come and bother you.

If it was an "ancient Chinese proverb" (which it may also be) that would
be quite likely, but Greek philosopher types aren't usually so silly.

See also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chilon. Some good sigs there.

--
Do not let one's tongue outrun one's sense.

On Mon, 09 Jun 2008 16:34:01 +0100, Tony B
<[email hidden]> said in
<[email hidden]>:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

you obviously have no respect for the dead.

Quoted message said:

It's an interesting concept, respect for the dead.. how did it ever come
about? I mean, if someone is unworthy of respect during their time
alive, should they garner respect for simply for being dead?

Indeed. And in this case the term is being used in a way which
confuses the general with the specific. If the hearse carrying the
departed Smith had driven past me on the road, then I would likely
have stopped, as is my wont when hearses pass, out of respect not
for the dead so much as those who mourn. But being dead does not
somehow validate Smith's idiotic ideas, his statistical sophistry,
his misguided campaigning or (most especially) the atrocious
behaviour of his acolytes.

Guy
--
May contain traces of irony. Contents liable to settle after posting.
http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk

85% of helmet statistics are made up, 69% of them at CHS, Puget Sound

"(most especially) the atrocious
behaviour of his acolytes. "

Speaking of which, perhaps nuxxy could name the business premises I
caused to be "evacuated", or admit she's a lying turd?

spindrift said:

TheMgt said:

Ben C said:

On 2008-06-09, TheMgt <[email hidden]> wrote:
> Ben C wrote:
>> On 2008-06-09, Tony B <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>> Nuxx Bar wrote:
>>>>  you obviously have no respect for the dead.  
>>> It's an interesting concept, respect for the dead.. how did it evercome
>>> about?
>> The first recorded use is by Diogenes Laertius, circa 300AD, but he
>> attributes it to Chilon (6th century BC). Look up "de mortuis nil nisi
>> bonum" on Wikipedia (which is Latin for "don't [say] anything about dead
>> people unless it's good"😉.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>>> I mean, if someone is unworthy of respect during their time alive,
>>> should they garner respect for simply for being dead?
>> Not really, but it can sometimes be unfair to criticize people who
>> aren't there to defend themselves.
> Fair enough if they're just out of the room but why would that apply to
> people who are dead?

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Well if they're dead they can't defend themselves even if they are in
the room.

Quoted message said:

If they're dead then they don't need to defend themselves., they no
longer exist. They'll never hear anything anyone says about them.
I suspect the original reason for not speaking ill of the dead was to
avoid having their vengeful ghost come and bother you.- Hide quoted text-

Quoted message said:

- Show quoted text -

The ghost of Paul Smith would rattle chains at the end of your bed and
insist on showing you some pretty coloured graphs he's drawn that
prove that speed cameras cause cancer.

Pills! Now!

spindrift said:

"(most especially) the atrocious
behaviour of his acolytes. "

You don't think your behaviour's atrocious then? I'm sure you do in
your lucid moments.

Quoted message said:

Speaking of which, perhaps nuxxy could name the business premises I
caused to be "evacuated", or admit she's a lying turd?

You know what you did. Have the guts to admit it. You obviously felt
that it was worthwhile at the time that you did it, so why miss out on
claiming the "glory" for your part in the jihad against motorists?
Your worshippers here will be well impressed. Denying that you did it
is as futile and dishonest as pretending that you hate cars (that
other people drive). You and Crapman never stop lying, do you? ("We
don't lie" being the inevitable answer of course....)

And is this "she" thing some incredibly infantile and feeble idea of a
joke, or a genuine misunderstanding? Or do the trolls think they know
who I am? Who knows what goes on in their pathetic minds. Crapman
thinks I'm Mike Vandemar or however it's spelt, and other trolls claim
to think I'm female. Still, I suppose the trolls are no strangers to
saying stupid untrue things about their opponents whenever they can't
come up with any real arguments (i.e. pretty much all of the time).

Oh by the way Spindrift, you're intersex! Ha ha ha! Really funny
isn't it?

Nuxx Bar said:

Denying that you did it
is as futile and dishonest as pretending that you hate cars (that
other people drive).

That should have been "pretending that you don't hate cars" of
course. I'm sure that was obvious anyway.

On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 13:24:16 -0700 (PDT), Nuxx Bar
<[email hidden]> said in
<[email hidden]>:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Speaking of which, perhaps nuxxy could name the business premises I
caused to be "evacuated", or admit she's a lying turd?

Quoted message said:

You know what you did. Have the guts to admit it.

He clearly doesn't, so the onus is on you to prove your claim.

Guy
--
May contain traces of irony. Contents liable to settle after posting.
http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk

85% of helmet statistics are made up, 69% of them at CHS, Puget Sound