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  1. "Peter Bowditch" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:

    He seems to have the sales pitch for a criminal down well, though.

    Past criminal or not, we strongly believe in his product.

    And he claims to be some sort of Christian too, although it seems that

    Quoted message said:

    Christianity is now distributed via a pyramid scheme.

    Yes I am a Believer and Christianity has always been distributed via the
    networking/mlm (word-of-mouth) model just like Atheism and just about
    everything else. Pyramids are illegal. Network marketing/MLM is not. My
    religion has nothing to do with the vitamin. Trying the vitamins has
    nothing to do with an income opportunity unless that is your desire.
    BTW, it's not an MLM. Again, we believe in the product and what we think
    it can do for the people who take a chance with it. That's the reason we
    promote it. Not for monetary gain as you insinuate.

    Quoted message said:

    --
    Peter Bowditch aa #2243
    The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles
    Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au
    Australian Skeptics http://www.skeptics.com.au
    To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com

    If it works it works. You and nobody else can discredit that. If it
    didn't he would have been shut down 3 years ago. It's amazing to me that
    someone can give it a *negative review* who has not even tried it or
    knows someone who has. You would rather hit us with the "well I heard"
    line. That is completely idiotic and irresponsible.
    --
    Regards,

    Revelation
    ~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-
    "Some things are true whether you believe them or not." - Nicolas Cage
    in City of Angels

  2. Revelation said:

    "Peter Bowditch" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:

    He seems to have the sales pitch for a criminal down well, though.

    Past criminal or not, we strongly believe in his product.

    You are entitled to believe what you will. I believe that your defense
    of him and his [censored] destroys any semblence of credibility you may have.

    Quoted message said:

    And he claims to be some sort of Christian too, although it seems that

    Quoted message said:

    Christianity is now distributed via a pyramid scheme.

    Yes I am a Believer and Christianity has always been distributed via the
    networking/mlm (word-of-mouth) model just like Atheism and just about
    everything else. Pyramids are illegal. Network marketing/MLM is not.

    While that is technically true, it is one heck of a way to inflate
    prices...one of the mantras of the AltWorld is follow the money, and,
    with MLM, there is sure a lot of money floating around.

    My

    Quoted message said:

    religion has nothing to do with the vitamin. Trying the vitamins has
    nothing to do with an income opportunity unless that is your desire.
    BTW, it's not an MLM. Again, we believe in the product and what we think
    it can do for the people who take a chance with it. That's the reason we
    promote it. Not for monetary gain as you insinuate.

    It is not MLM? Then it is direct sale from manufacture?

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Peter Bowditch aa #2243
    The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles
    Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au
    Australian Skeptics http://www.skeptics.com.au
    To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com

    If it works it works. You and nobody else can discredit that.

    How about proving it works?

    If it

    Quoted message said:

    didn't he would have been shut down 3 years ago.

    Wrong. That is absolutely inaccurate. There is scant regulation of the
    claims of these salescreeps.

    It's amazing to me that

    Quoted message said:

    someone can give it a *negative review* who has not even tried it or
    knows someone who has. You would rather hit us with the "well I heard"
    line. That is completely idiotic and irresponsible.

    I can give jumping off the Golden Gate Bridge a negative review without
    ever having done it. Sometimes, the use of the brain to weigh facts,
    etc. can lead to such decision making.

    The "try it, you'll like it" school of marketing is bogus.

    Quoted message said:

    --
    Regards,

    Revelation
    ~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-
    "Some things are true whether you believe them or not." - Nicolas Cage
    in City of Angels

  3. "Mark Probert" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:
    Revelation said:

    "Peter Bowditch" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:

    He seems to have the sales pitch for a criminal down well, though.

    Past criminal or not, we strongly believe in his product.

    You are entitled to believe what you will. I believe that your defense
    of him and his [censored] destroys any semblance of credibility you may have.

    What basis do you have to call it [censored]? Have you even tried the product?
    Recommending an effective product can never take away from my
    credibility. You have no idea who you're even talking to. And 9.9 times
    out of 10, I am more credible than you will ever be. You have some
    nerve.

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    And he claims to be some sort of Christian too, although it seems that

    Quoted message said:

    Christianity is now distributed via a pyramid scheme.

    Yes I am a Believer and Christianity has always been distributed via the
    networking/mlm (word-of-mouth) model just like Atheism and just about
    everything else. Pyramids are illegal. Network marketing/MLM is not.

    While that is technically true, it is one heck of a way to inflate
    prices...one of the mantras of the AltWorld is follow the money, and,
    with MLM, there is sure a lot of money floating around.


    What does this have to do with anything? I don't care if it costs $100,
    I will buy it if it is as good as it is claimed to be and especially
    more so with a money back guarantee. That's a no brainer. I've thrown
    away more money going out to dinner. You seem like the type of person
    going through life rejecting absolutely everything that just is and
    justify your beliefs with your intelligence that is derived from the
    supposed intelligence of other men. Anything GOOD in your opinion just
    can't be if man isn't responsible for it. Most of the time experience is
    the best teacher if you're not wise enough to discern when something is
    just good. With that way of thinking "men" will be your downfall.

    Quoted message said:

    My

    Quoted message said:

    religion has nothing to do with the vitamin. Trying the vitamins has
    nothing to do with an income opportunity unless that is your desire.
    BTW, it's not an MLM. Again, we believe in the product and what we think
    it can do for the people who take a chance with it. That's the reason we
    promote it. Not for monetary gain as you insinuate.

    It is not MLM? Then it is direct sale from manufacture?

    Do car dealerships functions as MLM? No they do not and you don't buy
    directly from the auto manufacturer. When someone places an order for
    the vitamins, they are actually placing the order directly on the
    Greatest Vitamin's web site. The order is processed and shipped directly
    from them. I don't have bottles in my possession except for those I take
    daily. I will simply receive a *referral* fee. This practice happens
    everyday all over the world. Most web sites call them affiliates.

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Peter Bowditch aa #2243
    The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles
    Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au
    Australian Skeptics http://www.skeptics.com.au
    To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com

    If it works it works. You and nobody else can discredit that.

    How about proving it works?

    The ingredients are proved to do what they claim and this proof just
    happens to come from the medical and science societies indicated in the
    references section of the site. Taking it is the only way to really
    prove that it works for you just like with prescription medications.
    What kind of foolish request is this?

    Quoted message said:

    If it

    Quoted message said:

    didn't he would have been shut down 3 years ago.

    Wrong. That is absolutely inaccurate. There is scant regulation of the
    claims of these salescreeps.

    You're wrong and being good friends with an Attorney General who polices
    these type of companies, if any claim that they make is unsubstantiated,
    the will be immediately reprimanded by the AG, FTC and FDA, Their
    operations will be completely suspended during a mandatory
    investigation. The documentation they use is constantly reviewed by the
    aforementioned governmental bodies as well.

    Quoted message said:


    It's amazing to me that

    Quoted message said:

    someone can give it a *negative review* who has not even tried it or
    knows someone who has. You would rather hit us with the "well I heard"
    line. That is completely idiotic and irresponsible.

    I can give jumping off the Golden Gate Bridge a negative review without
    ever having done it. Sometimes, the use of the brain to weigh facts,
    etc. can lead to such decision making.

    You have no facts about the product to weigh. Most importantly, not even
    your own experience with it as a fact or even someone you personally
    know who has experienced it. How asinine is that?

    Quoted message said:


    The "try it, you'll like it" school of marketing is bogus.

    The "don't try it, because we or anyone we know hasn't, but we still
    know" school of marketing is idiotic and deceptive.

    I guess you're the only one in the world who hasn't fell victim to
    clever marketing and advertising. Sometimes you're glad you did and
    sometimes you're not. One thing is for sure though. Falling for it was
    the only sure way to know the truth about it.

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    --
    Regards,

    Revelation
    ~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-
    "Some things are true whether you believe them or not." - Nicolas Cage
    in City of Angels


    --
    Regards,

    Revelation
    ~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-
    "Some things are true whether you believe them or not." - Nicolas Cage
    in City of Angels

  4. "Marked Pervert" is a big troll in these groups. It took a while for his
    head to pop up again though.

    He is part of a large crowd of hecklers that never have anything to say or
    discuss only "prove it" or "show me cites" or "your full of [censored]". They have
    created their own fear environment and never say anything as a result for
    fear other will treat them like they treat others.

    "Revelation" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

  5. Would you give me more info on this? I have never heard of this vitamin
    supplier. Thanks, UM MOM Susan
    "Revelation" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "Peter Bowditch" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:

    He seems to have the sales pitch for a criminal down well, though.

    Past criminal or not, we strongly believe in his product.

    And he claims to be some sort of Christian too, although it seems that

    Quoted message said:

    Christianity is now distributed via a pyramid scheme.

    Yes I am a Believer and Christianity has always been distributed via the
    networking/mlm (word-of-mouth) model just like Atheism and just about
    everything else. Pyramids are illegal. Network marketing/MLM is not. My
    religion has nothing to do with the vitamin. Trying the vitamins has
    nothing to do with an income opportunity unless that is your desire. BTW,
    it's not an MLM. Again, we believe in the product and what we think it can
    do for the people who take a chance with it. That's the reason we promote
    it. Not for monetary gain as you insinuate.

    Quoted message said:

    --
    Peter Bowditch aa #2243
    The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles
    Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au
    Australian Skeptics http://www.skeptics.com.au
    To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com

    If it works it works. You and nobody else can discredit that. If it didn't
    he would have been shut down 3 years ago. It's amazing to me that someone
    can give it a *negative review* who has not even tried it or knows someone
    who has. You would rather hit us with the "well I heard" line. That is
    completely idiotic and irresponsible.
    --
    Regards,

    Revelation
    ~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-
    "Some things are true whether you believe them or not." - Nicolas Cage in
    City of Angels

  6. "Pizza Girl." <[email hidden]> wrote in message

    Quoted message said:

    "Marked Pervert" is a big troll in these groups. It took a while for his
    head to pop up again though.

    He is part of a large crowd of hecklers that never have anything to say or
    discuss only "prove it" or "show me cites" or "your full of [censored]".

    After reading some of your posts, I'm curious; do you have any substantive
    arguments against his claims? FWIW, I think he spends way too much time
    talking to idiots like Jan. But, I welcome the challenge of resisting the
    siren call of your fabulous arguments. Got one?

    moo

  7. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Happy Dog said:

    "Pizza Girl." <[email hidden]> wrote in message

    Quoted message said:

    "Marked Pervert" is a big troll in these groups. It took a while for his
    head to pop up again though.

    He is part of a large crowd of hecklers that never have anything to say or
    discuss only "prove it" or "show me cites" or "your full of [censored]".

    After reading some of your posts, I'm curious; do you have any substantive
    arguments against his claims? FWIW, I think he spends way too much time
    talking to idiots like Jan. But, I welcome the challenge of resisting the
    siren call of your fabulous arguments. Got one?

    It's always a sign of lack of any substantive argument when someone makes
    fun of their adversary's name. This sort of rock-bottom ad hominem is
    usually abandoned by intelligent people by the time they are 10 years old.

  8. Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Happy Dog said:

    "Pizza Girl." <[email hidden]> wrote in message

    Quoted message said:

    "Marked Pervert" is a big troll in these groups. It took a while for his
    head to pop up again though.

    He is part of a large crowd of hecklers that never have anything to say or
    discuss only "prove it" or "show me cites" or "your full of [censored]".

    After reading some of your posts, I'm curious; do you have any substantive
    arguments against his claims? FWIW, I think he spends way too much time
    talking to idiots like Jan. But, I welcome the challenge of resisting the
    siren call of your fabulous arguments. Got one?

    It's always a sign of lack of any substantive argument when someone makes
    fun of their adversary's name. This sort of rock-bottom ad hominem is
    usually abandoned by intelligent people by the time they are 10 years old.

    I do it, but I call the process "descriptive re-naming" since it is
    based on the person's behavior.

  9. Now stop trying win points with me Proberto...LOL

    "Mark Probert" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I do it, but I call the process "descriptive re-naming" since it is
    based on the person's behavior.

  10. Is this your first post here?

    <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,
    It's always a sign of lack of any substantive argument when someone makes
    fun of their adversary's name. This sort of rock-bottom ad hominem is
    usually abandoned by intelligent people by the time they are 10 years old.

  11. Revelation said:

    "Mark Probert" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:
    Revelation said:

    "Peter Bowditch" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]:

    > He seems to have the sales pitch for a criminal down well, though.

    Past criminal or not, we strongly believe in his product.

    You are entitled to believe what you will. I believe that your defense
    of him and his [censored] destroys any semblance of credibility you may have.

    What basis do you have to call it [censored]?

    The marketing of it tells me that it is '[censored]' in the sense that it is
    merely a highly inflated priced vitamin. The marketing makes all sorts
    of nebulous claims which is the hallmark of a huckster like Lapre.

    Quoted message said:

    Have you even tried the product?

    No need to. I maintain a healthy, balanced diet.

    Quoted message said:

    Recommending an effective product can never take away from my
    credibility.

    Effective for what? Nebulous symptoms which wax and wane on their own?

    Quoted message said:

    You have no idea who you're even talking to.

    So, tell me.

    And 9.9 times

    Quoted message said:

    out of 10, I am more credible than you will ever be. You have some nerve.

    You sure do have a high opinion of yourself.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    And he claims to be some sort of Christian too, although it seems that

    > Christianity is now distributed via a pyramid scheme.

    Yes I am a Believer and Christianity has always been distributed via


    the

    Quoted message said:

    networking/mlm (word-of-mouth) model just like Atheism and just about
    everything else. Pyramids are illegal. Network marketing/MLM is not.

    While that is technically true, it is one heck of a way to inflate
    prices...one of the mantras of the AltWorld is follow the money, and,
    with MLM, there is sure a lot of money floating around.


    What does this have to do with anything? I don't care if it costs $100,
    I will buy it if it is as good as it is claimed to be and especially
    more so with a money back guarantee.

    Effective for what? Personal experience does not count in this regard.

    Quoted message said:

    That's a no brainer.

    That is *precisely* what Lapre and the other hucksters are counting on.

    I've thrown

    Quoted message said:

    away more money going out to dinner. You seem like the type of person
    going through life rejecting absolutely everything that just is and
    justify your beliefs with your intelligence that is derived from the
    supposed intelligence of other men.

    Not really...but the explanation would be wasted on you.

    Anything GOOD in your opinion just

    Quoted message said:

    can't be if man isn't responsible for it. Most of the time experience is
    the best teacher if you're not wise enough to discern when something is
    just good. With that way of thinking "men" will be your downfall.

    Irrelevant.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    My

    Quoted message said:

    religion has nothing to do with the vitamin. Trying the vitamins has
    nothing to do with an income opportunity unless that is your desire.
    BTW, it's not an MLM. Again, we believe in the product and what we


    think

    Quoted message said:

    it can do for the people who take a chance with it. That's the


    reason we

    Quoted message said:

    promote it. Not for monetary gain as you insinuate.

    It is not MLM? Then it is direct sale from manufacture?

    Do car dealerships functions as MLM? No they do not and you don't buy
    directly from the auto manufacturer. When someone places an order for
    the vitamins, they are actually placing the order directly on the
    Greatest Vitamin's web site. The order is processed and shipped directly
    from them. I don't have bottles in my possession except for those I take
    daily. I will simply receive a *referral* fee. This practice happens
    everyday all over the world. Most web sites call them affiliates.

    Yeah...I read up on the system of how Lapre scams people. You may be one
    of the lucky ones.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > Peter Bowditch aa #2243
    > The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles
    > Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au
    > Australian Skeptics http://www.skeptics.com.au
    > To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com

    If it works it works. You and nobody else can discredit that.

    How about proving it works?

    The ingredients are proved to do what they claim and this proof just
    happens to come from the medical and science societies indicated in the
    references section of the site. Taking it is the only way to really
    prove that it works for you just like with prescription medications.
    What kind of foolish request is this?

    Asking for proof is never foolish. Weaseling out of providing it, is.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    If it

    Quoted message said:

    didn't he would have been shut down 3 years ago.

    Wrong. That is absolutely inaccurate. There is scant regulation of the
    claims of these salescreeps.

    You're wrong and being good friends with an Attorney General who polices
    these type of companies, if any claim that they make is unsubstantiated,
    the will be immediately reprimanded by the AG, FTC and FDA, Their
    operations will be completely suspended during a mandatory
    investigation. The documentation they use is constantly reviewed by the
    aforementioned governmental bodies as well.

    The claims that are made are, at best, nebulous, and, thus do not run
    afoul of the government regulators.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    It's amazing to me that

    Quoted message said:

    someone can give it a *negative review* who has not even tried it or
    knows someone who has. You would rather hit us with the "well I heard"
    line. That is completely idiotic and irresponsible.

    I can give jumping off the Golden Gate Bridge a negative review without
    ever having done it. Sometimes, the use of the brain to weigh facts,
    etc. can lead to such decision making.

    You have no facts about the product to weigh. Most importantly, not even
    your own experience with it as a fact or even someone you personally
    know who has experienced it. How asinine is that?

    The asinine quotient is zero.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    The "try it, you'll like it" school of marketing is bogus.

    The "don't try it, because we or anyone we know hasn't, but we still
    know" school of marketing is idiotic and deceptive.

    So you say, but, then, that would be bad for business.

    Quoted message said:

    I guess you're the only one in the world who hasn't fell victim to
    clever marketing and advertising.

    Au contraire...but not any more if I can help it.

    Sometimes you're glad you did and

    Quoted message said:

    sometimes you're not. One thing is for sure though. Falling for it was
    the only sure way to know the truth about it.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Regards,

    Revelation
    ~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-
    "Some things are true whether you believe them or not." - Nicolas Cage
    in City of Angels

    --
    Regards,

    Revelation
    ~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-
    "Some things are true whether you believe them or not." - Nicolas Cage
    in City of Angels

  12. Pizza Girl. said:

    "Marked Pervert" is a big troll in these groups.

    Sorry, but you are eight slices short of a pie.

    Trolls do not hang around

    It took a while for his

    Quoted message said:

    head to pop up again though.

    Not really, since I never left.

    Quoted message said:

    He is part of a large crowd of hecklers that never have anything to say or
    discuss only "prove it" or "show me cites" or "your full of [censored]". They have
    created their own fear environment and never say anything as a result for
    fear other will treat them like they treat others.

    So, you are into projection.

    Quoted message said:

    "Revelation" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

  13. Pizza Girl. said:

    "Mark Probert" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I do it, but I call the process "descriptive re-naming" since it is
    based on the person's behavior.

    Now stop trying win points with me Proberto...LOL

    I would not waste my time doing that.

  14. "Mark Probert" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Revelation said:

    "Mark Probert" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:

    Revelation wrote:
    > "Peter Bowditch" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    > news:[email hidden]:
    >
    >> He seems to have the sales pitch for a criminal down well, though.
    >
    >
    > Past criminal or not, we strongly believe in his product.

    You are entitled to believe what you will. I believe that your defense
    of him and his [censored] destroys any semblance of credibility you may have.

    What basis do you have to call it [censored]?

    The marketing of it tells me that it is '[censored]' in the sense that it is
    merely a highly inflated priced vitamin. The marketing makes all sorts of
    nebulous claims which is the hallmark of a huckster like Lapre.

    Quoted message said:

    Have you even tried the product?

    No need to. I maintain a healthy, balanced diet.

    If you haven't tried the product, YOU can NOT judge it.

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    Recommending an effective product can never take away from my
    credibility.

    Effective for what? Nebulous symptoms which wax and wane on their own?

    Quoted message said:

    You have no idea who you're even talking to.

    So, tell me.

    And 9.9 times

    Quoted message said:

    out of 10, I am more credible than you will ever be. You have some nerve.

    You sure do have a high opinion of yourself.

    That's 22222 funny,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,coming from ye ole hypocrite Mark who
    brags on himself.

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > And he claims to be some sort of Christian too, although it seems that
    >
    >> Christianity is now distributed via a pyramid scheme.
    >
    >
    > Yes I am a Believer and Christianity has always been distributed via
    the
    > networking/mlm (word-of-mouth) model just like Atheism and just about
    > everything else. Pyramids are illegal. Network marketing/MLM is not.

    While that is technically true, it is one heck of a way to inflate
    prices...one of the mantras of the AltWorld is follow the money, and,
    with MLM, there is sure a lot of money floating around.


    What does this have to do with anything? I don't care if it costs $100, I
    will buy it if it is as good as it is claimed to be and especially more
    so with a money back guarantee.

    Effective for what? Personal experience does not count in this regard.

    Unless it comes form Mark, he conveniently has an ancedote for most every
    story here, this is a keeper.

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    That's a no brainer.

    That is *precisely* what Lapre and the other hucksters are counting on.

    I've thrown

    Quoted message said:

    away more money going out to dinner. You seem like the type of person
    going through life rejecting absolutely everything that just is and
    justify your beliefs with your intelligence that is derived from the
    supposed intelligence of other men.

    Not really...but the explanation would be wasted on you.

    ZZzz.

    Quoted message said:


    Anything GOOD in your opinion just

    Quoted message said:

    can't be if man isn't responsible for it. Most of the time experience is
    the best teacher if you're not wise enough to discern when something is
    just good. With that way of thinking "men" will be your downfall.

    Irrelevant.

    WRONG. MOST RELEVANT!!!!!!!

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    My
    > religion has nothing to do with the vitamin. Trying the vitamins has
    > nothing to do with an income opportunity unless that is your desire.
    > BTW, it's not an MLM. Again, we believe in the product and what we
    think
    > it can do for the people who take a chance with it. That's the
    reason we
    > promote it. Not for monetary gain as you insinuate.

    It is not MLM? Then it is direct sale from manufacture?

    Do car dealerships functions as MLM? No they do not and you don't buy
    directly from the auto manufacturer. When someone places an order for the
    vitamins, they are actually placing the order directly on the Greatest
    Vitamin's web site. The order is processed and shipped directly from
    them. I don't have bottles in my possession except for those I take
    daily. I will simply receive a *referral* fee. This practice happens
    everyday all over the world. Most web sites call them affiliates.

    <snip>

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >> Peter Bowditch


    <snip proven lying werbsites + spam

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >
    > If it works it works. You and nobody else can discredit that.

    How about proving it works?

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    The ingredients are proved to do what they claim and this proof just
    happens to come from the medical and science societies indicated in the
    references section of the site. Taking it is the only way to really prove
    that it works for you just like with prescription medications. What kind
    of foolish request is this?

    Asking for proof is never foolish. Weaseling out of providing it, is.

    Mark is an expert on that one!

    He has done lots of Weaseling.

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    If it
    > didn't he would have been shut down 3 years ago.

    Wrong. That is absolutely inaccurate. There is scant regulation of the
    claims of these salescreeps.

    You're wrong and being good friends with an Attorney General who polices
    these type of companies, if any claim that they make is unsubstantiated,
    the will be immediately reprimanded by the AG, FTC and FDA, Their
    operations will be completely suspended during a mandatory investigation.
    The documentation they use is constantly reviewed by the aforementioned
    governmental bodies as well.

    The claims that are made are, at best, nebulous, and, thus do not run
    afoul of the government regulators.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    It's amazing to me that
    > someone can give it a *negative review* who has not even tried it or
    > knows someone who has. You would rather hit us with the "well I heard"
    > line. That is completely idiotic and irresponsible.

    I can give jumping off the Golden Gate Bridge a negative review without
    ever having done it. Sometimes, the use of the brain to weigh facts,
    etc. can lead to such decision making.

    You have no facts about the product to weigh. Most importantly, not even
    your own experience with it as a fact or even someone you personally know
    who has experienced it. How asinine is that?

    The asinine quotient is zero.

    IN your opinion, which in MHO amounts to ZERO.

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    The "try it, you'll like it" school of marketing is bogus.

    The "don't try it, because we or anyone we know hasn't, but we still
    know" school of marketing is idiotic and deceptive.

    So you say, but, then, that would be bad for business.

    Quoted message said:

    I guess you're the only one in the world who hasn't fell victim to clever
    marketing and advertising.

    Au contraire...but not any more if I can help it.

    Sometimes you're glad you did and

    Quoted message said:

    sometimes you're not. One thing is for sure though. Falling for it was
    the only sure way to know the truth about it.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > Regards,
    >
    > Revelation
    > ~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-
    > "Some things are true whether you believe them or not." - Nicolas Cage
    > in City of Angels
    >

    --
    Regards,

    Revelation
    ~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-
    "Some things are true whether you believe them or not." - Nicolas Cage in
    City of Angels

  15. LadyLollipop said:

    "Mark Probert" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Revelation said:

    "Mark Probert" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]:

    >Revelation wrote:
    >
    >>"Peter Bowditch" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    >>news:[email hidden]:
    >>
    >>
    >>>He seems to have the sales pitch for a criminal down well, though.
    >>
    >>
    >>Past criminal or not, we strongly believe in his product.
    >
    >You are entitled to believe what you will. I believe that your defense
    >of him and his [censored] destroys any semblance of credibility you may have.

    What basis do you have to call it [censored]?

    The marketing of it tells me that it is '[censored]' in the sense that it is
    merely a highly inflated priced vitamin. The marketing makes all sorts of
    nebulous claims which is the hallmark of a huckster like Lapre.

    Quoted message said:

    Have you even tried the product?

    No need to. I maintain a healthy, balanced diet.

    If you haven't tried the product, YOU can NOT judge it.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Recommending an effective product can never take away from my
    credibility.

    Effective for what? Nebulous symptoms which wax and wane on their own?

    Quoted message said:

    You have no idea who you're even talking to.

    So, tell me.

    And 9.9 times

    Quoted message said:

    out of 10, I am more credible than you will ever be. You have some nerve.

    You sure do have a high opinion of yourself.

    That's 22222 funny,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,coming from ye ole hypocrite Mark who
    brags on himself.

    Horsehit, bigot. You made a gratuitous snide remark about me and
    Katrina, and I pointed out the work I was doing. I do not let your [censored]
    slip by.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >>And he claims to be some sort of Christian too, although it seems that
    >>
    >>
    >>>Christianity is now distributed via a pyramid scheme.
    >>
    >>
    >>Yes I am a Believer and Christianity has always been distributed via
    >
    >the
    >
    >>networking/mlm (word-of-mouth) model just like Atheism and just about
    >>everything else. Pyramids are illegal. Network marketing/MLM is not.
    >
    >While that is technically true, it is one heck of a way to inflate
    >prices...one of the mantras of the AltWorld is follow the money, and,
    >with MLM, there is sure a lot of money floating around.
    >

    What does this have to do with anything? I don't care if it costs $100, I
    will buy it if it is as good as it is claimed to be and especially more
    so with a money back guarantee.

    Effective for what? Personal experience does not count in this regard.

    Unless it comes form Mark, he conveniently has an ancedote for most every
    story here, this is a keeper.

    No, stupid, I do not have an anecdote for every story.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    That's a no brainer.

    That is *precisely* what Lapre and the other hucksters are counting on.

    I've thrown

    Quoted message said:

    away more money going out to dinner. You seem like the type of person
    going through life rejecting absolutely everything that just is and
    justify your beliefs with your intelligence that is derived from the
    supposed intelligence of other men.

    Not really...but the explanation would be wasted on you.

    ZZzz.

    Typical response from No-Mind Drew.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Anything GOOD in your opinion just

    Quoted message said:

    can't be if man isn't responsible for it. Most of the time experience is
    the best teacher if you're not wise enough to discern when something is
    just good. With that way of thinking "men" will be your downfall.

    Irrelevant.

    WRONG. MOST RELEVANT!!!!!!!

    Right, IRRELEVANT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    (Extra ! for Jan).

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >My
    >
    >>religion has nothing to do with the vitamin. Trying the vitamins has
    >>nothing to do with an income opportunity unless that is your desire.
    >>BTW, it's not an MLM. Again, we believe in the product and what we
    >
    >think
    >
    >>it can do for the people who take a chance with it. That's the
    >
    >reason we
    >
    >>promote it. Not for monetary gain as you insinuate.
    >
    >It is not MLM? Then it is direct sale from manufacture?

    Do car dealerships functions as MLM? No they do not and you don't buy
    directly from the auto manufacturer. When someone places an order for the
    vitamins, they are actually placing the order directly on the Greatest
    Vitamin's web site. The order is processed and shipped directly from
    them. I don't have bottles in my possession except for those I take
    daily. I will simply receive a *referral* fee. This practice happens
    everyday all over the world. Most web sites call them affiliates.

    <snip>

    Quoted message said:

    >>>Peter Bowditch

    <snip proven lying werbsites + spam

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >>If it works it works. You and nobody else can discredit that.
    >
    >How about proving it works?

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    The ingredients are proved to do what they claim and this proof just
    happens to come from the medical and science societies indicated in the
    references section of the site. Taking it is the only way to really prove
    that it works for you just like with prescription medications. What kind
    of foolish request is this?

    Asking for proof is never foolish. Weaseling out of providing it, is.

    Mark is an expert on that one!

    Yes, I catch you every time.

    Quoted message said:

    He has done lots of Weaseling.

    Weasel catching that is.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > If it
    >
    >>didn't he would have been shut down 3 years ago.
    >
    >Wrong. That is absolutely inaccurate. There is scant regulation of the
    >claims of these salescreeps.

    You're wrong and being good friends with an Attorney General who polices
    these type of companies, if any claim that they make is unsubstantiated,
    the will be immediately reprimanded by the AG, FTC and FDA, Their
    operations will be completely suspended during a mandatory investigation.
    The documentation they use is constantly reviewed by the aforementioned
    governmental bodies as well.

    The claims that are made are, at best, nebulous, and, thus do not run
    afoul of the government regulators.

    Quoted message said:

    >It's amazing to me that
    >
    >>someone can give it a *negative review* who has not even tried it or
    >>knows someone who has. You would rather hit us with the "well I heard"
    >>line. That is completely idiotic and irresponsible.
    >
    >I can give jumping off the Golden Gate Bridge a negative review without
    >ever having done it. Sometimes, the use of the brain to weigh facts,
    >etc. can lead to such decision making.

    You have no facts about the product to weigh. Most importantly, not even
    your own experience with it as a fact or even someone you personally know
    who has experienced it. How asinine is that?

    The asinine quotient is zero.

    IN your opinion, which in MHO amounts to ZERO.

    Stop bragging about the raise in your IQ.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >The "try it, you'll like it" school of marketing is bogus.

    The "don't try it, because we or anyone we know hasn't, but we still
    know" school of marketing is idiotic and deceptive.

    So you say, but, then, that would be bad for business.

    Quoted message said:

    I guess you're the only one in the world who hasn't fell victim to clever
    marketing and advertising.

    Au contraire...but not any more if I can help it.

    Sometimes you're glad you did and

    Quoted message said:

    sometimes you're not. One thing is for sure though. Falling for it was
    the only sure way to know the truth about it.

    Quoted message said:

    >>Regards,
    >>
    >>Revelation
    >>~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-
    >>"Some things are true whether you believe them or not." - Nicolas Cage
    >>in City of Angels
    >>

    --
    Regards,

    Revelation
    ~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-
    "Some things are true whether you believe them or not." - Nicolas Cage in
    City of Angels

  16. "Mark Probert" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    LadyLollipop said:

    "Mark Probert" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Revelation wrote:

    >"Mark Probert" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    >news:[email hidden]:
    >
    >
    >>Revelation wrote:
    >>
    >>>"Peter Bowditch" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    >>>news:[email hidden]:
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>>He seems to have the sales pitch for a criminal down well, though.
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>Past criminal or not, we strongly believe in his product.
    >>
    >>You are entitled to believe what you will. I believe that your defense
    >>of him and his [censored] destroys any semblance of credibility you may have.
    >
    >
    >What basis do you have to call it [censored]?

    The marketing of it tells me that it is '[censored]' in the sense that it is
    merely a highly inflated priced vitamin. The marketing makes all sorts of
    nebulous claims which is the hallmark of a huckster like Lapre.

    >Have you even tried the product?

    No need to. I maintain a healthy, balanced diet.

    If you haven't tried the product, YOU can NOT judge it.

    Quoted message said:

    >Recommending an effective product can never take away from my
    >credibility.

    Effective for what? Nebulous symptoms which wax and wane on their own?

    >You have no idea who you're even talking to.

    So, tell me.

    And 9.9 times

    >out of 10, I am more credible than you will ever be. You have some
    >nerve.

    You sure do have a high opinion of yourself.

    That's 22222 funny,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,coming from ye ole hypocrite Mark who
    brags on himself.

    <snip name calling and usual>

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >>>And he claims to be some sort of Christian too, although it seems that
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>>Christianity is now distributed via a pyramid scheme.
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>Yes I am a Believer and Christianity has always been distributed via
    >>
    >>the
    >>
    >>>networking/mlm (word-of-mouth) model just like Atheism and just about
    >>>everything else. Pyramids are illegal. Network marketing/MLM is not.
    >>
    >>While that is technically true, it is one heck of a way to inflate
    >>prices...one of the mantras of the AltWorld is follow the money, and,
    >>with MLM, there is sure a lot of money floating around.
    >>
    >
    >What does this have to do with anything? I don't care if it costs $100,
    >I will buy it if it is as good as it is claimed to be and especially
    >more so with a money back guarantee.

    Effective for what? Personal experience does not count in this regard.

    Unless it comes form Mark, he conveniently has an ancedote for most every
    story here, this is a keeper.

    <snip name calling and lie>

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >That's a no brainer.

    That is *precisely* what Lapre and the other hucksters are counting on.

    I've thrown

    >away more money going out to dinner. You seem like the type of person
    >going through life rejecting absolutely everything that just is and
    >justify your beliefs with your intelligence that is derived from the
    >supposed intelligence of other men.

    Not really...but the explanation would be wasted on you.

    ZZzz.

    <snip insilt>

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Anything GOOD in your opinion just

    >can't be if man isn't responsible for it. Most of the time experience is
    >the best teacher if you're not wise enough to discern when something is
    >just good. With that way of thinking "men" will be your downfall.

    Irrelevant.

    WRONG. MOST RELEVANT!!!!!!!

    <snip>

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >>My
    >>
    >>>religion has nothing to do with the vitamin. Trying the vitamins has
    >>>nothing to do with an income opportunity unless that is your desire.
    >>>BTW, it's not an MLM. Again, we believe in the product and what we
    >>
    >>think
    >>
    >>>it can do for the people who take a chance with it. That's the
    >>
    >>reason we
    >>
    >>>promote it. Not for monetary gain as you insinuate.
    >>
    >>It is not MLM? Then it is direct sale from manufacture?
    >
    >Do car dealerships functions as MLM? No they do not and you don't buy
    >directly from the auto manufacturer. When someone places an order for
    >the vitamins, they are actually placing the order directly on the
    >Greatest Vitamin's web site. The order is processed and shipped directly
    >from them. I don't have bottles in my possession except for those I take
    >daily. I will simply receive a *referral* fee. This practice happens
    >everyday all over the world. Most web sites call them affiliates.

    <snip>

    >>>>Peter Bowditch

    <snip proven lying werbsites + spam

    Quoted message said:

    >>>If it works it works. You and nobody else can discredit that.
    >>
    >>How about proving it works?

    Quoted message said:

    >The ingredients are proved to do what they claim and this proof just
    >happens to come from the medical and science societies indicated in the
    >references section of the site. Taking it is the only way to really
    >prove that it works for you just like with prescription medications.
    >What kind of foolish request is this?

    Asking for proof is never foolish. Weaseling out of providing it, is.

    Mark is an expert on that one!

    <snip lie>

    Quoted message said:

    He has done lots of Weaseling.



    <snip lie>

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >> If it
    >>
    >>>didn't he would have been shut down 3 years ago.
    >>
    >>Wrong. That is absolutely inaccurate. There is scant regulation of the
    >>claims of these salescreeps.
    >
    >You're wrong and being good friends with an Attorney General who polices
    >these type of companies, if any claim that they make is unsubstantiated,
    >the will be immediately reprimanded by the AG, FTC and FDA, Their
    >operations will be completely suspended during a mandatory
    >investigation. The documentation they use is constantly reviewed by the
    >aforementioned governmental bodies as well.

    The claims that are made are, at best, nebulous, and, thus do not run
    afoul of the government regulators.

    >>It's amazing to me that
    >>
    >>>someone can give it a *negative review* who has not even tried it or
    >>>knows someone who has. You would rather hit us with the "well I heard"
    >>>line. That is completely idiotic and irresponsible.
    >>
    >>I can give jumping off the Golden Gate Bridge a negative review without
    >>ever having done it. Sometimes, the use of the brain to weigh facts,
    >>etc. can lead to such decision making.
    >
    >You have no facts about the product to weigh. Most importantly, not even
    >your own experience with it as a fact or even someone you personally
    >know who has experienced it. How asinine is that?

    The asinine quotient is zero.

    IN your opinion, which in MHO amounts to ZERO.

    <snip insult>

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >>The "try it, you'll like it" school of marketing is bogus.
    >
    >The "don't try it, because we or anyone we know hasn't, but we still
    >know" school of marketing is idiotic and deceptive.

    So you say, but, then, that would be bad for business.

    >I guess you're the only one in the world who hasn't fell victim to
    >clever marketing and advertising.

    Au contraire...but not any more if I can help it.

    Sometimes you're glad you did and

    >sometimes you're not. One thing is for sure though. Falling for it was
    >the only sure way to know the truth about it.

    >>>Regards,
    >>>
    >>>Revelation
    >>>~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-
    >>>"Some things are true whether you believe them or not." - Nicolas Cage
    >>>in City of Angels
    >>>
    >
    >--
    >Regards,
    >
    >Revelation
    >~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-
    >"Some things are true whether you believe them or not." - Nicolas Cage
    >in City of Angels
    >

  17. LadyLollipop wrote:

    Nothing except a lot of snipping.

  18. LadyLollipop said:

    If you haven't tried the product, YOU can NOT judge it.

    What's your opinion on heroin, Jan? Marijuana? Ecstasy? Crack cocaine?
    Crystal meth? Drinking methyl alcohol? Tamoxiphen for cancer? RU248 to
    induce abortion?

    Perhaps I should add Ritalin. If you haven't tried it, YOU can NOT
    judge it.
    --
    Peter Bowditch aa #2243
    The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles
    Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au
    Australian Skeptics http://www.skeptics.com.au
    To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com

  19. "Peter Bowditch" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    LadyLollipop said:

    If you haven't tried the product, YOU can NOT judge it.

    What's your opinion on heroin, Jan? Marijuana? Ecstasy? Crack cocaine?
    Crystal meth? Drinking methyl alcohol? Tamoxiphen for cancer? RU248 to
    induce abortion?

    Perhaps I should add Ritalin. If you haven't tried it, YOU can NOT
    judge it.

    Do you suppose if Jan tried a little pakalolo she might mellow out a bit?

    ;o) Rich

  20. Rich said:


    "Peter Bowditch" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    LadyLollipop said:

    If you haven't tried the product, YOU can NOT judge it.

    What's your opinion on heroin, Jan? Marijuana? Ecstasy? Crack cocaine?
    Crystal meth? Drinking methyl alcohol? Tamoxiphen for cancer? RU248 to
    induce abortion?

    Perhaps I should add Ritalin. If you haven't tried it, YOU can NOT
    judge it.

    Do you suppose if Jan tried a little pakalolo she might mellow out a bit?

    ;o) Rich

    Oh, yes!
    --
    Peter Bowditch aa #2243
    The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles
    Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au
    Australian Skeptics http://www.skeptics.com.au
    To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com

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