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  1. Original post
    donquijote1954
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    Harry Brogan said:
    Quoted message said:

    If he wants to live long --and healthy-- I'd advise that he gets a
    stationary bike.

    Quoted message said:

    They come cheaply these days.

    Say Ed.......You know what???? Perhaps you should make comments on
    things you ACTUALLY know about. I ride in Lincoln, Nebraska on a
    DAILY basis. Meaning I do NOT own a car and am quite happy with that.
    Even when the weather is below zero. "Taking the lane" is something
    that is taught by numerous bicycle instructors. As for riding in the
    street. Around here, when it snow, the sidewalks get....guess
    what...COVERED....and they are often not scooped until later in the
    day...and sometimes not even scooped at all. When the plows come by
    the scooped snow that the leave behind is often left right next to the
    curb. Forcing one to negotiate quite a number of large ice chunks
    when entering or leaving the sidewalk. Makes for pure hell on rims.

    Guess in Minnesota it doesn't snow now????? Get your head out of
    your butt before you make comments to me. I plonked you long ago and
    the only time I see ANY of your sorry-ass comments iis when someone
    puts them in quotes.- Hide quoted text -

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    Well, I'm glad things work good for you in your frozen bicycle
    paradise, but down here in tropical Miami the roads remain "no man's
    land." Perhaps you live in a Blue State or something.

    "Upon leaving downtown Miami, I ride west along SW 7th Street, a major
    east-west surface corridor through the Little Havana neighborhood.
    This primarily residential street is one-way and has three travel
    lanes. Though the posted speed limit is 30mph, I think I bike closer
    to the speed limit than anyone drives. I would like to take more
    pictures of this street, but I am usually too busy surviving.

    Nonetheless, the street is absolutely inhospitable to the cyclist,
    which is why the majority of people ride on the sidewalks."

    http://www.planetizen.com/node/26876

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  2. Jon Bendtsen
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    donquijote1954 said:

    On Jan 24, 8:41 am, Harry Brogan <[email hidden]> wrote:

    [cuuuuuuut]

    Quoted message said:

    Nonetheless, the street is absolutely inhospitable to the cyclist,
    which is why the majority of people ride on the sidewalks."

    But pedestrians and bicycles does not match either.
    Thats why i am happy that we in Denmark, and other
    european countries have divided it into 3. Besides
    roads for cars and sideWALKS for pedestrians, we have
    a 3. part especially for bicycling. It works very
    well.

    In the cities where the bicycles cross a road, like
    where roads cross each other, we usually color the
    path for bicycles with a light blue color to indicate
    where bicycles drive and where cars drive.

    JonB

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  3. donquijote1954
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    Jon Bendtsen said:
    donquijote1954 said:

    On Jan 24, 8:41 am, Harry Brogan <[email hidden]> wrote:

    [cuuuuuuut]

    Quoted message said:

    Nonetheless, the street is absolutely inhospitable to the cyclist,
    which is why the majority of people ride on the sidewalks."

    But pedestrians and bicycles does not match either.
    Thats why i am happy that we in Denmark, and other
    european countries have divided it into 3. Besides
    roads for cars and sideWALKS for pedestrians, we have
    a 3. part especially for bicycling. It works very
    well.

    In the cities where the bicycles cross a road, like
    where roads cross each other, we usually color the
    path for bicycles with a light blue color to indicate
    where bicycles drive and where cars drive.

    JonB

    I know pedestrians and bikes don't mix, but it's a survival strategy
    only.

    I got this...

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  4. Jon Bendtsen
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    donquijote1954 said:
    Jon Bendtsen said:
    donquijote1954 said:

    On Jan 24, 8:41 am, Harry Brogan <[email hidden]> wrote:


    [cuuuuuuut]

    Quoted message said:

    Nonetheless, the street is absolutely inhospitable to the cyclist,
    which is why the majority of people ride on the sidewalks."


    But pedestrians and bicycles does not match either.
    Thats why i am happy that we in Denmark, and other
    european countries have divided it into 3. Besides
    roads for cars and sideWALKS for pedestrians, we have
    a 3. part especially for bicycling. It works very
    well.

    In the cities where the bicycles cross a road, like
    where roads cross each other, we usually color the
    path for bicycles with a light blue color to indicate
    where bicycles drive and where cars drive.

    JonB

    I know pedestrians and bikes don't mix, but it's a survival strategy
    only.

    I got this...

    Yes, that shows the 3 different parts. But also, that
    some bikes does not always follow the law.

    JonB

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  5. Jon Bendtsen
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    donquijote1954 said:
    Jon Bendtsen said:
    donquijote1954 said:

    On Jan 24, 12:19 pm, Jon Bendtsen <[email hidden]> wrote:
    > donquijote1954 wrote:
    >> On Jan 24, 8:41 am, Harry Brogan <[email hidden]> wrote:
    > [cuuuuuuut]
    >> Nonetheless, the street is absolutely inhospitable to the cyclist,
    >> which is why the majority of people ride on the sidewalks."
    > But pedestrians and bicycles does not match either.
    > Thats why i am happy that we in Denmark, and other
    > european countries have divided it into 3. Besides
    > roads for cars and sideWALKS for pedestrians, we have
    > a 3. part especially for bicycling. It works very
    > well.
    > In the cities where the bicycles cross a road, like
    > where roads cross each other, we usually color the
    > path for bicycles with a light blue color to indicate
    > where bicycles drive and where cars drive.
    > JonB
    I know pedestrians and bikes don't mix, but it's a survival strategy
    only.
    I got this...


    Yes, that shows the 3 different parts. But also, that
    some bikes does not always follow the law.

    JonB- Hide quoted text -

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    Well, they get exposed to the cars, don't they?

    exposed and exposed. Usually we have 3 levels
    with the bicycle "road" 4-6 inches above the
    car road, and the sidewalk 2-4 inches above the
    bicycle road.

    Quoted message said:

    I hear about you having bike lanes on every major road...

    We have in the cities and some parts on the country
    side.

    JonB

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  6. donquijote1954
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    Jon Bendtsen said:
    donquijote1954 said:
    Jon Bendtsen said:

    donquijote1954 wrote:
    > On Jan 24, 12:19 pm, Jon Bendtsen <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >> donquijote1954 wrote:
    >>> On Jan 24, 8:41 am, Harry Brogan <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >> [cuuuuuuut]
    >>> Nonetheless, the street is absolutely inhospitable to the cyclist,
    >>> which is why the majority of people ride on the sidewalks."
    >> But pedestrians and bicycles does not match either.
    >> Thats why i am happy that we in Denmark, and other
    >> european countries have divided it into 3. Besides
    >> roads for cars and sideWALKS for pedestrians, we have
    >> a 3. part especially for bicycling. It works very
    >> well.
    >> In the cities where the bicycles cross a road, like
    >> where roads cross each other, we usually color the
    >> path for bicycles with a light blue color to indicate
    >> where bicycles drive and where cars drive.
    >> JonB
    > I know pedestrians and bikes don't mix, but it's a survival strategy
    > only.
    > I got this...
    >


    Yes, that shows the 3 different parts. But also, that
    some bikes does not always follow the law.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    JonB- Hide quoted text -

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    - Show quoted text -

    Quoted message said:

    Well, they get exposed to the cars, don't they?

    exposed and exposed. Usually we have 3 levels
    with the bicycle "road" 4-6 inches above the
    car road, and the sidewalk 2-4 inches above the
    bicycle road.

    Neat idea. It's gonna take our road designers many years to figure
    that out.

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    I hear about you having bike lanes on every major road...

    We have in the cities and some parts on the country
    side.

    JonB- Hide quoted text -

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    Great. Happy cycling!

    Here, though I own 3 bikes, I only use one to the supermarket, barely
    1 mile away. And now the stationary bike will really help things. The
    road in front of me is just like the one described above, 3 lane with
    no room for bikes. The car to bike ratio must be like 10,000 to 1.

    Even though I live at the beach, within 10 miles of very attractive
    places, I don't have any use for my bikes. Oh, I hang my hats on
    them. 😉

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  7. Jon Bendtsen
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    donquijote1954 said:
    Jon Bendtsen said:
    donquijote1954 said:

    On Jan 24, 1:10 pm, Jon Bendtsen <[email hidden]> wrote:
    > donquijote1954 wrote:
    >> On Jan 24, 12:19 pm, Jon Bendtsen <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >>> donquijote1954 wrote:
    >>>> On Jan 24, 8:41 am, Harry Brogan <[email hidden]> wrote:

    [cuuuuuuut]

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Well, they get exposed to the cars, don't they?


    exposed and exposed. Usually we have 3 levels
    with the bicycle "road" 4-6 inches above the
    car road, and the sidewalk 2-4 inches above the
    bicycle road.

    Neat idea. It's gonna take our road designers many years to figure
    that out.

    I'm not so sure. I read the road engineers in the
    Netherlands export their knowledge alot more than
    what we do in Denmark.

    JonB

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  8. donquijote1954
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    #8
    Jon Bendtsen said:
    donquijote1954 said:
    Jon Bendtsen said:

    donquijote1954 wrote:
    > On Jan 24, 1:10 pm, Jon Bendtsen <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >> donquijote1954 wrote:
    >>> On Jan 24, 12:19 pm, Jon Bendtsen <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >>>> donquijote1954 wrote:
    >>>>> On Jan 24, 8:41 am, Harry Brogan <[email hidden]> wrote:

    [cuuuuuuut]

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > Well, they get exposed to the cars, don't they?
    exposed and exposed. Usually we have 3 levels
    with the bicycle "road" 4-6 inches above the
    car road, and the sidewalk 2-4 inches above the
    bicycle road.

    Quoted message said:

    Neat idea. It's gonna take our road designers many years to figure
    that out.

    I'm not so sure. I read the road engineers in the
    Netherlands export their knowledge alot more than
    what we do in Denmark.

    JonB

    Yeah, but they can only do that when people are willing to
    listen... 😉

    "It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary
    depends upon his not understanding it."
    - Upton Sinclair

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  9. donquijote1954
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    Hey, I thought I'd be honest to tell you that my girlfriend reminded
    me other uses we've got for the bikes...

    "you forgot to say that also your girlfriend hangs her cloths"

    And then I tell her...

    "No, then I'd have to be honest and say you also hang your underwear."

    Here's another clip from Denmark...

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  10. donquijote1954
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    #10
    Edward Dolan said:

    "Jon Bendtsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    donquijote1954 said:

    On Jan 24, 8:41 am, Harry Brogan <[email hidden]> wrote:

    Quoted message said:

    [cuuuuuuut]

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Nonetheless, the street is absolutely inhospitable to the cyclist,
    which is why the majority of people ride on the sidewalks."

    Quoted message said:

    But pedestrians and bicycles does not match either.
    Thats why i am happy that we in Denmark, and other
    european countries have divided it into 3. Besides
    roads for cars and sideWALKS for pedestrians, we have
    a 3. part especially for bicycling. It works very
    well.

    Hells Bells, no one walks on sidewalks anymore in America. We gave up on
    that about a generation ago. Sidewalks in small towns are especially
    deserted. In fact, the newer sections of town will not even have sidewalks..

    Quoted message said:

    In the cities where the bicycles cross a road, like
    where roads cross each other, we usually color the
    path for bicycles with a light blue color to indicate
    where bicycles drive and where cars drive.

    I am sure you have to be very careful wherever a bike path crosses a road.
    Also, I am not much in favor of bike lanes. I prefer my own separate bike
    path always, especially in metro areas.

    I think this answers your concern...

    Jens Müller said:

    donquijote1954 schrieb:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Real democracy is based on abolishing apartheid based on power source.-Hide quoted text -

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    - Show quoted text -

    Quoted message said:

    What you mean, that Holland or America practice apartheid? I think
    America practices discrimination only...

    The Netherlands do, from what I know.

    The UK, e.g., does not.

    Well, if you have to fend for yourself on dangerous roads, then the
    government is discriminating against you. This quote applies here...

    "Washing one's hands of the conflict between the powerful and the
    powerless means to side with the powerful, not to be neutral." -Paulo
    Freire

    In other words, the cyclist is the powerless, whose power is next to
    nothing. Sort of like an insect. You'll be lucky if the car doesn't
    leave the scene, something very common.

    But if you are separated by bike paths (not bike lanes) though it
    constitutes apartheid, it's a welcome separation in order to gain
    safety. The difference between discrimination and apartheid is
    important. At least when it comes to bicycle riding.

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