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They said on that video that they tried to exchange the
guy against prisoner and the USA refused. I agree that
was horrible but that is their way of getting the
attention to the horrible thing POW were getting from
Americans.

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Americans army men killed 5000 thousands afghans cause
there was no place anymore in prison. They placed them
in big containers and when people began to yell cause
there was no air, they fired the container with
machine gun to make some holes. Half the prisoners
were killed. The blood was pouring down all the road.
The people who survived were 5 days in it under big
sun. They had to drink the blood from the dead people.
When they arrived, they got all killed and got buried
by bulldozers. They showed the big fields with bones
everywhere.

Where can we look for the proof?

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They said on that video that they tried to exchange the
guy against prisoner and the USA refused. I agree that
was horrible but that is their way of getting the
attention to the horrible thing POW were getting from
Americans.

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Americans army men killed 5000 thousands afghans cause
there was no place anymore in prison. They placed them
in big containers and when people began to yell cause
there was no air, they fired the container with
machine gun to make some holes. Half the prisoners
were killed. The blood was pouring down all the road.
The people who survived were 5 days in it under big
sun. They had to drink the blood from the dead people.
When they arrived, they got all killed and got buried
by bulldozers. They showed the big fields with bones
everywhere.

Where can we look for the proof?

Of course not. If that jackass, Daniel, wants to talk about real mass murders,
he can check out all the bodies unearthed in Iraq.

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They said on that video that they tried to exchange the
guy against prisoner and the USA refused. I agree that
was horrible but that is their way of getting the
attention to the horrible thing POW were getting from
Americans.

We were beheading people? Get a damn clue. What they did to a
NON-COMABTANT is criminal. They also murdeed Daniel Pearl. Both
NON-COMBATANTS were jewish. What does that tell you???

Dude, you don't think america has killed non-combatants? Whether they had
there head sawed off, or were trapped under cruise-missel targeted buildings,
they still died horrible deaths.

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They said on that video that they tried to exchange the
guy against prisoner and the USA refused. I agree that
was horrible but that is their way of getting the
attention to the horrible thing POW were getting from
Americans.

We were beheading people? Get a damn clue. What they did to a
NON-COMABTANT is criminal. They also murdeed Daniel Pearl. Both
NON-COMBATANTS were jewish. What does that tell you???

Dude, you don't think america has killed non-combatants? Whether they had
there head sawed off, or were trapped under cruise-missel targeted buildings,
they still died horrible deaths.

staged. he was dead already before be-heading .

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They said on that video that they tried to exchange the
guy against prisoner and the USA refused. I agree that
was horrible but that is their way of getting the
attention to the horrible thing POW were getting from
Americans.

We were beheading people? Get a damn clue. What they did to a
NON-COMABTANT is criminal. They also murdeed Daniel Pearl. Both
NON-COMBATANTS were jewish. What does that tell you???

Dude, you don't think america has killed non-combatants?

Did I say anything to lead you to "think" I would think that?

Whether they had

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there head sawed off, or were trapped under cruise-missel targeted

buildings,

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they still died horrible deaths.

The difference is, and try to understand this without drawing incorrect
inferences, is a matter of intent.

The US has attemtped to avoid killing non-combatants for a long time.

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"Daniel Pelchat" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> They said on that video that they tried to exchange the
> guy against prisoner and the USA refused. I agree that
> was horrible but that is their way of getting the
> attention to the horrible thing POW were getting from
> Americans.

We were beheading people? Get a damn clue. What they did to a
NON-COMABTANT is criminal. They also murdeed Daniel Pearl. Both
NON-COMBATANTS were jewish. What does that tell you???

Dude, you don't think america has killed non-combatants? Whether they had
there head sawed off, or were trapped under cruise-missel targeted buildings,
they still died horrible deaths.

staged. he was dead already before be-heading .

What "he" are you referring to, here?

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"M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 13, 2004" <M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t
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> "Daniel Pelchat" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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>> They said on that video that they tried to exchange the
>> guy against prisoner and the USA refused. I agree that
>> was horrible but that is their way of getting the
>> attention to the horrible thing POW were getting from
>> Americans.
>
> We were beheading people? Get a damn clue. What they did to a
> NON-COMABTANT is criminal. They also murdeed Daniel Pearl. Both
> NON-COMBATANTS were jewish. What does that tell you???

Dude, you don't think america has killed non-combatants? Whether they had
there head sawed off, or were trapped under cruise-missel targeted buildings,
they still died horrible deaths.

staged. he was dead already before be-heading .

What "he" are you referring to, here?

They wanted you to believe he was alive.

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> "M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 13, 2004" <M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t
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> >> They said on that video that they tried to exchange the
> >> guy against prisoner and the USA refused. I agree that
> >> was horrible but that is their way of getting the
> >> attention to the horrible thing POW were getting from
> >> Americans.
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> > We were beheading people? Get a damn clue. What they did to a
> > NON-COMABTANT is criminal. They also murdeed Daniel Pearl. Both
> > NON-COMBATANTS were jewish. What does that tell you???
>
> Dude, you don't think america has killed non-combatants? Whether they

had

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> there head sawed off, or were trapped under cruise-missel targeted

buildings,

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> they still died horrible deaths.

staged. he was dead already before be-heading .

What "he" are you referring to, here?

They wanted you to believe he was alive.

I rewatched the video just now. (If you don't want to read descriptions of
it, please don't read further.)

It shows 5 terrorist standing behind Nick. The two on the right appear to
be looking at a piece of paper. The two on the left appear more attentive
to Nick who is on the floor. Then he is yanked to his side by the man in
the middle, as one man on the left (the only one with a white headcover)
removes his rifle and puts it on the floor, then puts his hands on the area
above Nicks elbows.

Other man goes to Nick's feet, but not visible after that. What appears to
be struggling could be from pushing and pulling of the body. I noted that
there was not any blood spurting. The hands remained strongly around Nick's
arms even after the movement stopped. The completion of the job is done and
in one smooth move the man with the white headcover stands up with the knife
in one hand and Nick's head in the other. It would lead one to think the
video was staged.

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> "M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 13, 2004" <M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t
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> >> They said on that video that they tried to exchange the
> >> guy against prisoner and the USA refused. I agree that
> >> was horrible but that is their way of getting the
> >> attention to the horrible thing POW were getting from
> >> Americans.
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> > We were beheading people? Get a damn clue. What they did to a
> > NON-COMABTANT is criminal. They also murdeed Daniel Pearl. Both
> > NON-COMBATANTS were jewish. What does that tell you???
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> Dude, you don't think america has killed non-combatants? Whether they

had

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> there head sawed off, or were trapped under cruise-missel targeted

buildings,

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> they still died horrible deaths.

staged. he was dead already before be-heading .

What "he" are you referring to, here?

They wanted you to believe he was alive.

There is no question that they murdered a non-combatant prisoner, whether it
was as the video depicted, or before then. Thus, they demonstrated the same
despicable behavior that was shown when the Arab murderers beheaded Daniel
Pearl.

Assuming that Berg was dead, there is no question that they wanted to
portray themselves as blood thirsty animals. I will gladly oblige them and
acknowledge that they are. They consistently demonstrate it.

Continuing the assumption that he was dead, they mutilated the body of of a
dead Jew, which is a a sacrilege. I would be more upset with it if I did not
expect this from them. They are purging the Zone of Islam of infidels, and
Jews are more of an infidel than others (Christians are next).

M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 13 said:

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They said on that video that they tried to exchange the
guy against prisoner and the USA refused. I agree that
was horrible but that is their way of getting the
attention to the horrible thing POW were getting from
Americans.

You know that Cuba didnt sign the Geneva covention?
Why do you think America have an "amusement park"
there? All the important prisonners are there and
tortured everyday. Not just a head cut. Taking the
same guy day after day and torturing him with
electricity and other stuff.

I agree that the guy who got his head cut was horrible
but they give the reason they did that, they gave a
chance the the Americans to exchange the guy.

What I see is lots of American Army men and women
torturing people and laughing.

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We were beheading people?

Never said that.

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Get a damn clue. What they did to a NON-COMABTANT
is criminal.

Completely agree. Why do you have to make a distinction
with NON-COMBATANT. It's crimival anyway.

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They also murdeed Daniel Pearl. Both NON-COMBATANTS were
jewish. What does that tell you???

What is your problem with Jewish people?

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Americans army men killed 5000 thousands afghans cause
there was no place anymore in prison. They placed them
in big containers and when people began to yell cause
there was no air, they fired the container with
machine gun to make some holes.

Nice yarn.

Are you saying you don't care?

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Got real proof from non-hate-America at all costs source?

It was on CBC (canadian public company). Real pictures of
fields of bones and pictures of full prisons.

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Half the prisoners

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were killed. The blood was pouring down all the road.

We saw the blood on asphalt.

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The people who survived were 5 days in it under big
sun. They had to drink the blood from the dead people.
When they arrived, they got all killed and got buried
by bulldozers. They showed the big fields with bones
everywhere.

Nothing to be proud of being Americans. They don't
show that on your TV.

In Rwanda, Americans left the country even if they knew
what was going on. One million people were killed after
that. One Canadian general went into depression cause
he had friends there who were getting killed every day.

Rwanda was not our business. The solution was better left to African
countries.

And IRAQ is your business? What was the reason to
attack them. I don't remember exactly? And Koweit
was your Businnes? And Vietnam was your Businnes?
And North Korea?

Are you taking Bush [censored] side? Please answer this one.

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In your movie Black Hawk Down, we see heroes in Somalia.
The fact is that after a few deaths that we saw in the
movie, the American army left the country and there
was a big genocide there too.

We should never have gone in there.

Why? You are not part of NATO? You're not supposed
to help democracy?

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Your government is full of [censored]. They only get involved
when they are risking to lose money. They don't defend
democracy at all. I hope that you won't vote to that
Bush [censored] anymore. They control the media too.

Nice sentiments from you. FOAD.

Go back and put your pink tainted glasses.

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Daniel

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M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 13 said:

"Daniel Pelchat" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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They said on that video that they tried to exchange the
guy against prisoner and the USA refused. I agree that
was horrible but that is their way of getting the
attention to the horrible thing POW were getting from
Americans.

You know that Cuba didnt sign the Geneva covention?
Why do you think America have an "amusement park"
there? All the important prisonners are there and
tortured everyday. Not just a head cut. Taking the
same guy day after day and torturing him with
electricity and other stuff.

I agree that the guy who got his head cut was horrible
but they give the reason they did that, they gave a
chance the the Americans to exchange the guy.

If you really believe that they would have released him, I can arrange to
sell you a bridge that goes to Brooklyn.

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What I see is lots of American Army men and women
torturing people and laughing.

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We were beheading people?

Never said that.

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Get a damn clue. What they did to a NON-COMABTANT
is criminal.

Completely agree. Why do you have to make a distinction
with NON-COMBATANT. It's crimival anyway.

Non-combatants do not volunteer to take that risk.

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They also murdeed Daniel Pearl. Both NON-COMBATANTS were
jewish. What does that tell you???

What is your problem with Jewish people?

Being one myself, none. However, one notes that both were Jewish and this
makes for an interesting coincidence.

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Americans army men killed 5000 thousands afghans cause
there was no place anymore in prison. They placed them
in big containers and when people began to yell cause
there was no air, they fired the container with
machine gun to make some holes.

Nice yarn.

Are you saying you don't care?

I am saying that the story smells of a yarn, made up, exercise in fiction
writing.

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Got real proof from non-hate-America at all costs source?

It was on CBC (canadian public company). Real pictures of
fields of bones and pictures of full prisons.

To document that yarn? Can you provide a reviewable reference?

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Half the prisoners

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were killed. The blood was pouring down all the road.

We saw the blood on asphalt.

WEho is "we" and where can one see for themselves?

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The people who survived were 5 days in it under big
sun. They had to drink the blood from the dead people.
When they arrived, they got all killed and got buried
by bulldozers. They showed the big fields with bones
everywhere.

Nothing to be proud of being Americans. They don't
show that on your TV.

In Rwanda, Americans left the country even if they knew
what was going on. One million people were killed after
that. One Canadian general went into depression cause
he had friends there who were getting killed every day.

Rwanda was not our business. The solution was better left to African
countries.

And IRAQ is your business? What was the reason to
attack them. I don't remember exactly?

A country that had produced and used WMD in the past that invaded two of its
enighbors. A country that would easily restart its WMD program as soon as
the last inspector left. A country that would use oil as an ecomonic weapon,
wonce it dominated the area with its WMDs.

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And Koweit
was your Businnes?

See above.

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And Vietnam was your Businnes?

At the time, there was the idea that we were containing communism.

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And North Korea?

NK is a country with a clear program to build and maintain WMDs, with an
intercontinental deployment capacity.

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Are you taking Bush [censored] side? Please answer this one.

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In your movie Black Hawk Down, we see heroes in Somalia.
The fact is that after a few deaths that we saw in the
movie, the American army left the country and there
was a big genocide there too.

We should never have gone in there.

Why? You are not part of NATO? You're not supposed
to help democracy?

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Your government is full of [censored]. They only get involved
when they are risking to lose money. They don't defend
democracy at all. I hope that you won't vote to that
Bush [censored] anymore. They control the media too.

Nice sentiments from you. FOAD.

Go back and put your pink tainted glasses.

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Daniel

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M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 13 said:

"Daniel Pelchat" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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>They said on that video that they tried to exchange the
>guy against prisoner and the USA refused. I agree that
>was horrible but that is their way of getting the
>attention to the horrible thing POW were getting from
>Americans.

You know that Cuba didnt sign the Geneva covention?
Why do you think America have an "amusement park"
there? All the important prisonners are there and
tortured everyday. Not just a head cut. Taking the
same guy day after day and torturing him with
electricity and other stuff.

I agree that the guy who got his head cut was horrible
but they give the reason they did that, they gave a
chance the the Americans to exchange the guy.

If you really believe that they would have released him, I can arrange to
sell you a bridge that goes to Brooklyn.

I would like to buy the Williamsburg Bridge. What kind of deal can you
get me? Could you add a meal a week for four at Peter Luger's to the
deal?

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M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 13, 2004 wrote:

> "Daniel Pelchat" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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>>They said on that video that they tried to exchange the
>>guy against prisoner and the USA refused. I agree that
>>was horrible but that is their way of getting the
>>attention to the horrible thing POW were getting from
>>Americans.

You know that Cuba didnt sign the Geneva covention?
Why do you think America have an "amusement park"
there? All the important prisonners are there and
tortured everyday. Not just a head cut. Taking the
same guy day after day and torturing him with
electricity and other stuff.

I agree that the guy who got his head cut was horrible
but they give the reason they did that, they gave a
chance the the Americans to exchange the guy.

If you really believe that they would have released him, I can arrange

to

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sell you a bridge that goes to Brooklyn.

I would like to buy the Williamsburg Bridge. What kind of deal can you
get me? Could you add a meal a week for four at Peter Luger's to the
deal?

With the peter Luger's caveat thown in....

So, what does everyone think of the Iraqis using old sarin filled arty
shells as roadside bombs? Didn;t they say that these were destroyed? Did
someone lie?

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> >>They said on that video that they tried to exchange the
> >>guy against prisoner and the USA refused. I agree that
> >>was horrible but that is their way of getting the
> >>attention to the horrible thing POW were getting from
> >>Americans.
>
> You know that Cuba didnt sign the Geneva covention?
> Why do you think America have an "amusement park"
> there? All the important prisonners are there and
> tortured everyday. Not just a head cut. Taking the
> same guy day after day and torturing him with
> electricity and other stuff.
>
> I agree that the guy who got his head cut was horrible
> but they give the reason they did that, they gave a
> chance the the Americans to exchange the guy.

If you really believe that they would have released him, I can arrange

to

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sell you a bridge that goes to Brooklyn.

I would like to buy the Williamsburg Bridge. What kind of deal can you
get me? Could you add a meal a week for four at Peter Luger's to the
deal?

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With the peter Luger's caveat thown in....
So, what does everyone think of the Iraqis using old sarin filled arty
shells as roadside bombs? Didn;t they say that these were destroyed? Did
someone lie?

I'm becoming disillusioned by the Iragi situation as time goes on.
It feels like things are right back the way they started, except
Sadam Hussein is not in power. The people of Iraqi who were
oppressed don't seem to be standing up for themselves to
ward off this new religious leader who is trying to take over.

At least I'm not seeing enough reports of the Iraqi people
joining us, organizing and fighting them off. I hear that they
are being threatened with death if they help the Americans
(chop, chop....this could happen to you stuff on television).

If they want a better life for themselves and future generations
I guess I expect them to hang their ass on the line for
democracy just as much (if not more) as the Americans are.
We can't hang around forever jumping out and saying "boo"
to their bad guys for them.

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"Daniel Pelchat" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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>They said on that video that they tried to exchange the
>guy against prisoner and the USA refused. I agree that
>was horrible but that is their way of getting the
>attention to the horrible thing POW were getting from
>Americans.

You know that Cuba didnt sign the Geneva covention?
Why do you think America have an "amusement park"
there?

http://www.islamonline.net/English/News/2002-07/11/article22.shtml
LOS ANGELES, July 11 (IslamOnline & News Agencies) - The U.S. detention
of prisoners from the Afghan conflict at a military outpost in Cuba is
“un-American,” human rights advocates said Wednesday, July 10, as they
sought to revive a legal challenge to the practice.

The claim came six months after the first shackled detainees from the
U.S. war in Afghanistan were flown to the U.S. naval base at Guantanamo
Bay in Cuba where 534 men from 39 countries are now being held in a
state of legal limbo.

Rights advocates opposing the legality and of the detentions on behalf
of some of the prisoners, who have been denied access to legal counsel,
asked an appeals court to overturn an earlier judgment that threw out
their case, Agence France-Presse (AFP) reported.

“Our laws prohibit holding them the way we’re holding them,” said
Stephen Yagman, the attorney for the group of clergy, lawyers and
journalists challenging the detentions. “It’s a paradox, un-American,”
he added.

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All the important prisonners are there and
tortured everyday. Not just a head cut. Taking the
same guy day after day and torturing him with
electricity and other stuff.

I agree that the guy who got his head cut was horrible
but they give the reason they did that, they gave a
chance the the Americans to exchange the guy.

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If you really believe that they would have released him, I can arrange to
sell you a bridge that goes to Brooklyn.

They arrange exchange of prisoners almost everyday.
Thay chose to not exchange this one. Maybe because
he's Jewish?

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What I see is lots of American Army men and women
torturing people and laughing.

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We were beheading people?

What is worst a coutry that is claimed by Amrrican to
be non-civilized who cut he dead guy head or the same
people tortured EVERY DAY for year by this same
"civilized" country.

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Get a damn clue. What they did to a NON-COMABTANT
is criminal.

Completely agree. Why do you have to make a distinction
with NON-COMBATANT. It's crimival anyway.

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Non-combatants do not volunteer to take that risk.

A Jewish guy who goes to IRAQ these days is taking a risk,

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They also murdeed Daniel Pearl. Both NON-COMBATANTS were
jewish. What does that tell you???

What is your problem with Jewish people?

Being one myself, none. However, one notes that both were Jewish and this
makes for an interesting coincidence.

American killed thousands NON-COMBATTANT in Afghanista.
They were all Afghan, what does that tell you?
What do you think of that?

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>Americans army men killed 5000 thousands afghans cause
>there was no place anymore in prison. They placed them
>in big containers and when people began to yell cause
>there was no air, they fired the container with
>machine gun to make some holes.

Nice yarn.

Are you saying you don't care?

I am saying that the story smells of a yarn, made up, exercise in fiction
writing.

http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/world/2566397
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/1752863.stm
VERY IMPORTANT:
http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0305/S00151.htm
There is even an realaudio clip.
It tells the story of thousands of prisoners who surrendered to the US
military’s Afghan allies after the siege of Kunduz. According to
eyewitnesses, some three thousand of the prisoners were forced into
sealed containers and loaded onto trucks for transport to Sheberghan
prison. Eyewitnesses say when the prisoners began shouting for air,
U.S.-allied Afghan soldiers fired directly into the truck, killing many
of them. The rest suffered through an appalling road trip lasting up to
four days, so thirsty they clawed at the skin of their fellow prisoners
as they licked perspiration and even drank blood from open wounds.

Witnesses say that when the trucks arrived and soldiers opened the
containers, most of the people inside were dead. They also say US
Special Forces re-directed the containers carrying the living and dead
into the desert and stood by as survivors were shot and buried. Now, up
to three thousand bodies lie buried in a mass grave.

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2002/feb2002/pows-f05.shtml
Will you be able to read this one?
http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/uswarcrimes/uswarcrimesiraq/ususeofchemweapons.html

I found those link in two minutes. Why didn't you do it before
your country and yourself look like fools.

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Got real proof from non-hate-America at all costs source?

It was on CBC (canadian public company). Real pictures of
fields of bones and pictures of full prisons.

To document that yarn? Can you provide a reviewable reference?

Check above.You were too lazy to find them.

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Half the prisoners

>were killed. The blood was pouring down all the road.

We saw the blood on asphalt.

WEho is "we" and where can one see for themselves?

Everybody whot turn on his TV sation. You know that
outside USA, we don't all watch Baywatch. I think
you can too in America. At dinner, Information last
1h30 to 2h00 depending on the station and one hour
more in the evening. Not counting all the other
politics shows that invite people from all around
the world.

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>The people who survived were 5 days in it under big
>sun. They had to drink the blood from the dead people.
>When they arrived, they got all killed and got buried
>by bulldozers. They showed the big fields with bones
>everywhere.
>
>Nothing to be proud of being Americans. They don't
>show that on your TV.

When something is not your business? When no chance of
making money is around
That is so selfish. One million persons got killed there
and it wasn't your country. Koweit hah almost none people
killed and you went there very fast, they had petroleum!

Here is a report on what happenned from Americans :
US chose to ignore Rwandan genocide
Classified papers show Clinton was aware of 'final solution'
to eliminate Tutsis
Rory Carroll in Johannesburg
Wednesday March 31, 2004
The Guardian
President Bill Clinton's administration knew Rwanda was
being engulfed by genocide in April 1994 but buried the
information to justify its inaction, according to
classified documents made available for the first time.
Senior officials privately used the word genocide within
16 days of the start of the killings, but chose not to do
so publicly because the president had already decided not
to intervene. Intelligence reports obtained using the US
Freedom of Information Act show the cabinet and almost
certainly the president had been told of a planned
"final solution to eliminate all Tutsis" before the
slaughter reached its peak. It took Hutu death squads
three months from April 6 to murder an estimated 800,000
Tutsis and moderate Hutus and at each stage accurate,

detailed reports were reaching Washington's top policymakers.

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>In Rwanda, Americans left the country even if they knew
>what was going on. One million people were killed after
>that. One Canadian general went into depression cause
>he had friends there who were getting killed every day.

Rwanda was not our business.
The solution was better left to African
countries.

For Rwanda:
http://www.pcusa.org/pcnews/2004/04211.htm
For Somalia :
http://americanradioworks.publicradio.org/features/rwanda/sega3.html

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And IRAQ is your business? What was the reason to
attack them. I don't remember exactly?

A country that had produced and used WMD in the past

You will always be on war with them cause they used
to produce WMD?

In the past is a key word. They sent lots of specialists
and they found nothing but the war with IRAQ was in Bush
[censored] agenda. "In his axes of Evil". You can't believe how
much people laugh at this one. Even Army Men didn't find
amuthing.

I'm pretty sure they will find Bin-Laden and WMD just
before the elections.

What other coutry used WMD in the past. Hundreds on thoudands
of people killed with only two bombs? Is it America?

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that invaded two of its

Didn't you that with Canada and Mexico? You remember
Fort Alamo? Why does LA is a Spanish name? And all cites
in Southern California? You had a civil war to repossess
states that wanted to quit the USA. How much people did
you kill? What was your interest in that? Was there oil?
I thought you defended freedom? Probalby a word you don't
know at all.

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enighbors. A country that would easily restart its WMD program as soon as
the last inspector left.

You are as paranoid as Bush [censored]. You will kill hundreds
or thousands of people cause "you think" they may start
a WMD programm. Start your war engine poor guy.

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A country that would use oil as an ecomonic weapon,

Do you know that for each American that are killed.
30 IRAQ civils are killed? I think they are NON-COMBATTANT
and I think they're all people from IRAQ, Do you see
a pattern here?

You used a blocus as economical weapon against Cuba,
People suffered cause they can't export lots of good
fruit and vegetables to Florida who are very near them.

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wonce it dominated the area with its WMDs.

And you are dominating their area with WMDs.

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And Koweit
was your Businnes?

See paranoid Bush [censored].

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And Vietnam was your Businnes?

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At the time, there was the idea that we were containing
communism.

What can't you say "MISTAKE". Is is too hard for you?
You are an American, you and your goverment can't be wrong!

And now what is the Idea? You are countaning Islam?
I'm sorry for that but it's too late.

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And North Korea?

NK is a country with a clear program to build and maintain WMDs, with an
intercontinental deployment capacity.

And China, France, USA, UK, India etc. OK let's attack
all coutries that buy weapon only if we are sure of
winning. Lets' get the hell out of Somalia and
Rwanda, those people are not human (sarcasm).

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Are you taking Bush [censored] side? Please answer this one.

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>In your movie Black Hawk Down, we see heroes in Somalia.
>The fact is that after a few deaths that we saw in the
>movie, the American army left the country and there
>was a big genocide there too.

We should never have gone in there.

Why? You are not part of NATO? You're not supposed
to help democracy?

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>Your government is full of [censored]. They only get involved
>when they are risking to lose money. They don't defend
>democracy at all. I hope that you won't vote to that
>Bush [censored] anymore. They control the media too.

Go back and put your pink tainted glasses.

Daniel

"Daniel Pelchat" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

If you had the absolute power to deal with the situation after 9-11, how
would you have handled it?

If you had the absolute power to do something about a country with a
dictator killing his own people by the thousands and the rest living in fear
and poverty, how would you?

M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 17 said:

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they don't like. Hence, even at quite high risks of them dying, missiles
still fly.

Yes, you do hate the USA.

Let's get real here. I proved to you that they are killing
people left and right (COMBATTANT or NON-COMBATTANT) and
finding it funny. Toturing and humiliating them and taking
pictures. That means they are cruel and idiots. Nothing new
here.

Now we learn that you were part of them. What must me think?

People who try to stop people to kill each other are
not American haters. They are crazy people haters.

Daniel

M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 14 said:

Continuing the assumption that he was dead, they mutilated the body of of a
dead Jew, which is a a sacrilege. I would be more upset with it if I did not
expect this from them. They are purging the Zone of Islam of infidels, and
Jews are more of an infidel than others (Christians are next).

What is your problem with Jews? It's not a sacrilege to mutilate
other bodies? Are you insane?

Your're making this war personal. Just go there and kill all
non-Jewshish people. That shure will make you a hero (sarcasm).

Daniel

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There is no question that they murdered a non-combatant prisoner,
whether it was as the video depicted, or before then. Thus, they
demonstrated the same despicable behavior that was shown when the
Arab murderers beheaded Daniel Pearl.

Assuming that Berg was dead, there is no question that they wanted to
portray themselves as blood thirsty animals. I will gladly oblige
them and acknowledge that they are. They consistently demonstrate it.

Continuing the assumption that he was dead, they mutilated the body
of of a dead Jew, which is a a sacrilege. I would be more upset with
it if I did not expect this from them. They are purging the Zone of
Islam of infidels, and Jews are more of an infidel than others
(Christians are next).

So if mutilating the dead body of a Jew is sacrilege, what exactly was
firing SEVEN Hellfire anti tank missiles at a man in a wheel-chair about
then?
That also was a deliberate religous sacrilege, sincce Moslems also have
beliefs about the corpse and the afterlife. That is why after the killing
young Palestinians could be seen collecting parts of his body in plastic
bags, so they could bury him whole.
What is never mentioned is that every time Islamic Jihad or Hamas have
killed Israeli soldiers, either by explosion or gunfire, they have always
allowed the IDF, [Israeli Defence Force] to collect the bodies, in order to
honour Jewish funeral customs.
Unfortunatly the USA is being fed a diet of lies and misinfomation about
the situation in Iraq.
Of course the first casualty in any war is the truth, but what is so sad
is the number of otherwise intelligent people prepared to accept at face
value what they see on TV, about a subject they know next to nothing at all.

One fact remains though........US foreign policy is ALWAYS a disaster when
left to Republicans.

--
@Damski