Re: Suggestion to Dr. Chung

07 Dec 2003 00:21:06 GMT in article
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(John9212112) said:

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From: Matti Narkia [email hidden]

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>Are you calling Chung a liar?

Certainly not. I confess to having a poor memory. I also confess that

maybe I

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saw a post from you one time with some possibly useful web references.

So you _did_ remember, but decided to lie? And if you saw _only one_ that
is either a second lie, or you have given your sentence (so to speak)
without investigating the evidence.

From an online dictionary: lie (I know how much Bob likes
dictionaries.)
1. A false statement deliberately presented as being true; a falsehood.
2. Something meant to deceive or give a wrong impression.

Clearly, one can not tell a lie by mistake. I already said I was mistaken. So
for you to accuse me of lying indicates either that you did not understand my
clear expression or else you are deliberately misconstruing my works and are
therefor lying yourself. Perhaps there are other possibilities. I hope so.

You said that you maybe saw my post with some possibly useful web
references. Stop twisting. Either you saw or you didn't. Did you or did
you not? Regardless of whether you saw or "maybe" saw there was either
definite or somewhat vague picture in your mind that you've seen a post by
me with useful facts in it. Still, you claimed that this was not a case.
According to the definition given by you that was lie. Q.E.D.

BTW, it's no excuse for your behavior if you have a poor memory. If you
know that you have a poor memory, you know that shouldn't give statements
which rely on memory. Bad ethics.

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So what is your agenda and your relationship to Chung?

I hope for the return of civil discourse and reasoned discussion to this group.

The why don't you set an example by starting from yourself?

John9212112 said:

Quoted message said:

From: Matti Narkia [email hidden]

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>Are you calling Chung a liar?

Certainly not. I confess to having a poor memory. I also confess that
>maybe I saw a post from you one time with some possibly useful web references.

So you _did_ remember, but decided to lie? And if you saw _only one_ that
is either a second lie, or you have given your sentence (so to speak)
without investigating the evidence.

From an online dictionary: lie (I know how much Bob likes
dictionaries.)
1. A false statement deliberately presented as being true; a falsehood.
2. Something meant to deceive or give a wrong impression.

Clearly, one can not tell a lie by mistake. I already said I was mistaken.

No you didn't. You said "maybe I saw a post from you one time with
some possibly useful web references." That's not admitting a mistake,
it's trying to escape from a noose you put around your own lying neck.

That's weasel-word self-forgiveness. You deliberately misstated the
situation and when you were caught at it, you tried to sleaze your way
out of it. Forget it, John. You're busted.

Pastorio

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07 Dec 2003 00:21:06 GMT in article
<[email hidden]> [email hidden]

(John9212112) said:

Quoted message said:

From: Matti Narkia [email hidden]

Quoted message said:

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>>Are you calling Chung a liar?
>
>Certainly not. I confess to having a poor memory. I also confess that

maybe I

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>saw a post from you one time with some possibly useful web references.

So you _did_ remember, but decided to lie? And if you saw _only one_ that
is either a second lie, or you have given your sentence (so to speak)
without investigating the evidence.

From an online dictionary: lie (I know how much Bob likes
dictionaries.)
1. A false statement deliberately presented as being true; a falsehood.
2. Something meant to deceive or give a wrong impression.

Clearly, one can not tell a lie by mistake. I already said I was mistaken. So
for you to accuse me of lying indicates either that you did not understand my
clear expression or else you are deliberately misconstruing my works and are
therefor lying yourself. Perhaps there are other possibilities. I hope so.

You said that you maybe saw my post with some possibly useful web
references. Stop twisting.

Twisters are the quickest at accusing others of twisting.

Humbly,

Andrew

--
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist
http://www.heartmdphd.com

On Sun, 7 Dec 2003 16:59:21 -0500, Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote
(in message <[email hidden]>😉:

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Twisters are the quickest at accusing others of twisting.

People who hate God are the quickest at accusing others of hating God.

People who aren't True Christians are the quickest to accuse others of
not being True Christians.

Libelers are the quickest to accuse others of libeling.

Mushroom eaters are the quickest to accuse others of eating mushrooms.

I see how to play _this_ game, Chung :-) Thanks.

--
God's Other Humble Servant

Steve

John9212112 said:

Quoted message said:

From: Matti Narkia [email hidden]

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>Are you calling Chung a liar?

Certainly not. I confess to having a poor memory. I also confess that

maybe I

Quoted message said:

saw a post from you one time with some possibly useful web references.

So you _did_ remember, but decided to lie? And if you saw _only one_ that
is either a second lie, or you have given your sentence (so to speak)
without investigating the evidence.

From an online dictionary: lie (I know how much Bob likes
dictionaries.)
1. A false statement deliberately presented as being true; a falsehood.
2. Something meant to deceive or give a wrong impression.

Clearly, one can not tell a lie by mistake. I already said I was mistaken. So
for you to accuse me of lying indicates either that you did not understand my
clear expression or else you are deliberately misconstruing my works and are
therefor lying yourself. Perhaps there are other possibilities. I hope so.

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So what is your agenda and your relationship to Chung?

I hope for the return of civil discourse and reasoned discussion to this group.

I have never met Dr. Chung. I only know him via the internet. Same as my
relationship to Matti Narkia, come to think of it.

-
John

You are writing truthfully.

Keep it up. They hiss but they have been de-fanged.

Humbly,

Andrew

--
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist
http://www.heartmdphd.com

Matti Narkia said:

07 Dec 2003 00:21:06 GMT in article
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(John9212112) wrote:
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I hope for the return of civil discourse and reasoned discussion to this group.

The why don't you set an example by starting from yourself?

John has been civil. He can't help it if the truth hurts you.

Humbly,

Andrew

--
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist
http://www.heartmdphd.com

Steve said:

On Sun, 7 Dec 2003 16:59:21 -0500, Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote
(in message <[email hidden]>😉:

<snip>

Quoted message said:

Twisters are the quickest at accusing others of twisting.

People who hate God are the quickest at accusing others of hating God.

People who aren't True Christians are the quickest to accuse others of
not being True Christians.

Libelers are the quickest to accuse others of libeling.

Mushroom eaters are the quickest to accuse others of eating mushrooms.

I see how to play _this_ game, Chung :-) Thanks.

It seems to be a game to you.

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--
God's Other Humble Servant

Steve

You are worshipping the wrong god, Steve. This is an observation rather
than an accusation.

Humble servant of Christ,

Andrew

--
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist
http://www.heartmdphd.com

On Sun, 7 Dec 2003 21:08:14 -0500, Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote
(in message <[email hidden]>😉:

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Steve said:

On Sun, 7 Dec 2003 16:59:21 -0500, Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote
(in message <[email hidden]>😉:

<snip>

Quoted message said:

Twisters are the quickest at accusing others of twisting.

People who hate God are the quickest at accusing others of hating God.

People who aren't True Christians are the quickest to accuse others of
not being True Christians.

Libelers are the quickest to accuse others of libeling.

Mushroom eaters are the quickest to accuse others of eating mushrooms.

I see how to play _this_ game, Chung :-) Thanks.

It seems to be a game to you.

You mean it's not? I thought we were playing "I'll make a statement
and you try to twist it into it's reverse".

Surely you're not telling me that you expect anyone to take your
sophomoric, leaden reverse aphorisms seriously?

--
God's Other Humble Servant

Steve