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  1. Quoted message said:

    From: "Nana Weedkiller" [email hidden]
    Date: 2/20/2004 7:59 PM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Please discard your hatred;

    http://nazigirl.jandrew.wasarrested.com/S-IN/Bloomington/prostitute/F

    http://ilena.rose.wasarrested.com/San+Jose/crack/F

    That's not only hatred, it is lies.

    Quoted message said:

    stop using your bible to bash and bait others.

    I haven't, that is just another one of your lies. Very timely example of an
    atheist

    ====

    The focus is not to place blame, but rather to show what Jesus Christ, son of
    God, was willing to go through to save us all from our sins.

    ...........................................
    Paul Harvey Comments on "The Passion" by Mel Gibson
    Paul Harvey's words:
    I really did not know what to expect. I was thrilled to have been
    Invited to a private viewing of Mel Gibson's film "The Passion," but I
    had also read all the cautious articles and spin. I grew up in a Jewish town
    and Owe much of my own faith journey to the influence. I have a life
    long, deeply held aversion to anything that might even indirectly encourage
    any formof anti-Semitic thought, language or actions.

    I arrived at the private viewing for "The Passion," held in Washington, DC and
    greeted some familiar faces. The environment was typically Washingtonian, with
    people greeting you with a smile but seeming to look beyond you, having an
    agenda beyond the words. The film was very briefly ntroduced,without fanfare,
    and then the room darkened. From the gripping opening scene in the
    Garden of Gethsemane, to the very human and tender portrayal of theearthly
    Ministry of Jesus, through the betrayal, the arrest, the scourging, theway of
    the cross, the encounter with the thieves, the surrender on the Cross, until
    the final scene in the empty tomb, this was not simply a movie; it was an
    encounter, unlike anything I have ever experienced.

    In addition to being a masterpiece of film-making and an artistic triumph, "The
    Passion" evoked more deep reflection, sorrow and emotional reaction within me
    than anything since my wedding, my ordination or the birth of my children.
    Frankly, I will never be the same.

    When the film concluded, this "invitation only" gathering of "movers and
    shakers" in Washington, DC were shaking indeed, but this time from sobbing. I
    am not sure there was a dry eye in the place. The crowd that had been
    glad-handing before the film was now eerily silent. No one could speak because
    words were woefully inadequate. We had experienced a kind of art that is a
    rarity in life, the kind that makes heaven touch earth.

    One scene in the film has now been forever etched in my mind. A brutalized,
    wounded Jesus was soon to fall again under the weight of the cross. His mother
    had made her way along the Via Della Rosa. As she ran to him, she flashed back
    to a memory of Jesus as a child, falling in the dirt road outside of their
    home. Just as she reached to protect him from the fall, she was now reaching
    to touch his wounded adult face. Jesus looked at her with intensely probing and
    passionately loving eyes (and at all of us through the screen) and said

    "Behold I make all things new." These are words taken from the last Book Of
    the New Testament,t he Book of Revelations. Suddenly, the purpose of the pain
    was so clear and the wounds, that earlier in the film had been too difficult to
    see in His face, His back, indeed all over His body, became intensely
    beautiful.

    They had been borne voluntarily for love. At the end of the film, after
    we had all had a chance to recover, a question and answer period ensued.
    The unanimous praise for the film, from a rather diverse crowd, was as
    astounding as the compliments were effusive. The questions included the
    one question that seems to follow this film, even though it has not yet
    even been released. "Why is this film considered by some to be 'anti-Semitic?'

    " Frankly, having now experienced (you do not "view" this film) "the Passion"
    it is a question that is impossible to answer. A law professor whom I admire
    sat in front of me. He raised his hand and responded "After watching this film,
    I do not understand how anyone can insinuate that it even remotely presents
    that the Jews killed Jesus. It doesn't." He continued "It made me realize that
    my sins killed Jesus"
    I agree. There is not a scintilla of anti-Semitism to be found anywhere in
    this
    powerful film. If there were, I would be among the first to decry it. It
    faithfully tells the Gospel story in a dramatically beautiful, sensitive and
    profoundly engaging way. Those who are alleging otherwise have either not seen
    the film or have another agenda behind their protestations.

    This is not a "Christian" film, in the sense that It will appeal only to those
    who identify themselves as followers of Jesus Christ. It is a deeply human,
    beautiful story that will deeply touch all men and women.
    It is a profound work of art. Yes, its producer is a Catholic Christian and
    thankfully has remained faithful to the Gospel text; if that is no longer
    acceptable behavior then we are all in trouble. History demands that we remain
    faithful to the story and Christians have a right to tell it. After all, we
    believe that It is the greatest story ever told and that its message is for all
    men and women.
    The greatest right is the right to hear the truth.
    We would all be well advised to remember that the Gospel narratives to
    which "The Passion" is so faithful were written by Jewish men who
    followed a Jewish Rabbi whose life and teaching have forever changed the
    history of the world. The problem is not the message but those who have
    distorted it and used it for hate rather than love. The solution is not to
    censor the message, but rather to promote the kind of gift of love that is Mel
    Gibson's film making masterpiece, "The Passion." It should be seen by as many
    people as possible. I intend to do everything I can to make sure that is the
    case. I am passionate about "The Passion."

    Please copy this and send it on to all your friends to let them know
    about this film so that all go see it when it comes out.
    P.S. From Julie: My daughter, Kristin, tells me they learned at her
    church Youth Group that Mel Gibson stated he did not appear in his own
    movie, by his choice, with one exception: It is Gibson's hands seen
    nailing Jesus to the cross. Gibson said he wanted to do that because it
    was indeed his own hands that nailed Jesus to the cross (along with all
    of ours.)
    ======

    God works Miracles /Trust in Him

    Jan

  2. (Jan) said:

    That's not only hatred, it is lies.

    I'll bet $1K that jd is a pentecostal mislead mindless zombie.

    A meteor is in your future JugDrug.
    -Fargin' Board

    --

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    nature of the universe, anything at all, you would have hidden
    from it in terror." - Emperor Ming
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  3. "WB" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:
    (Jan) said:

    That's not only hatred, it is lies.

    I'll bet $1K that jd is a pentecostal mislead mindless zombie.

    Nah, Methodist or Southern Baptist or Church of Christ.

    --Rich

  4. "Rich Shewmaker" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:lICdneXVcockmqrdRVn-
    [email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:


    "WB" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:
    (Jan) said:

    That's not only hatred, it is lies.

    I'll bet $1K that jd is a pentecostal mislead mindless zombie.

    Nah, Methodist or Southern Baptist or Church of Christ.

    Most adherents of those particular Christian denominations (even the second
    one, with its reputation for ultraconservatism) manage to avoid the sort of
    bigotry that Our Heroine manages to propagate. (e.g. here in Chicago,
    there's a rather popular Methodist minister who willingly served a one-year
    suspension due to his decision to perform a marriage ceremony for a same-
    sex couple (one of whose members I've met a few times). Note that two
    American center-right (yes, that's what they are by international
    standards) politicians named Bill and Al were, and AFAIK still are,
    Southern Baptists, which, the last time I checked, accounted for a
    plurality of American Christians, with most of the membership being quite a
    bit to the left of the denominational convention (Baptist theology demands
    that the local congregation's views prevail over those of any
    denominational body)). So I think the person in question holds views that
    are outside the mainstream of even American conservative evangelical
    Christianity.

  5. Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: The Passion of Drewster

    A pity this post has taken on a different name with personally trashing.

    Wb has proven he is a insulter. Rich Shewmaker is an atheist, and Eric is gay.

    The comments that started it came from Ted Nidiffer another atheist who not
    only shows hatred, but lies.

    All taking away from the subject of seeing the movie, Passion.

    Dateline did a great job with their article last night.

    I posted it.

    Jan

  6. (Jan) said:

    All taking away from the subject of seeing the movie, Passion.

    Off topic in this newgroup. This is a newsgroup about Health Alternatives and
    the foibles of those who seek them.

  7. "Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: The Passion of Drewster

    A pity this post has taken on a different name with personally trashing.

    Well, you were told that whenever you post the thread becomes about you,
    and, you get what you deserve.

    Quoted message said:

    Wb has proven he is a insulter. Rich Shewmaker is an atheist, and Eric is


    gay.

    What is wrong with being gay?

    Quoted message said:

    The comments that started it came from Ted Nidiffer another atheist who


    not

    Quoted message said:

    only shows hatred, but lies.

    What has his/her religious persuasion got to do with it?

    Quoted message said:

    All taking away from the subject of seeing the movie, Passion.

    An evil movie.

    Quoted message said:

    Dateline did a great job with their article last night.

    I posted it.

    Good. Want to talk about the inconsistencies of the Gospels?

  8. "Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: The Passion of Drewster

    A pity this post has taken on a different name with personally trashing.

    Wb has proven he is a insulter. Rich Shewmaker is an atheist, and Eric is


    gay.

    Quoted message said:


    The comments that started it came from Ted Nidiffer another atheist who


    not

    Quoted message said:

    only shows hatred, but lies.

    All taking away from the subject of seeing the movie, Passion.

    My posts were precisely on topic (for this thread), the movie "Passion."
    What does my atheism have to do with it? How does that take away from the
    subject of seeing the movie?

    --Rich

  9. "Mark Probert-February 21, 2004" <Mark [email hidden]>
    wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: The Passion of Drewster

    A pity this post has taken on a different name with personally trashing.

    Well, you were told that whenever you post the thread becomes about you,
    and, you get what you deserve.

    Quoted message said:

    Wb has proven he is a insulter. Rich Shewmaker is an atheist, and Eric


    is

    Quoted message said:

    gay.

    What is wrong with being gay?

    Quoted message said:

    The comments that started it came from Ted Nidiffer another atheist who


    not

    Quoted message said:

    only shows hatred, but lies.

    What has his/her religious persuasion got to do with it?

    Quoted message said:

    All taking away from the subject of seeing the movie, Passion.

    An evil movie.

    Quoted message said:

    Dateline did a great job with their article last night.

    I posted it.

    Good. Want to talk about the inconsistencies of the Gospels?

    The historical accuracy of the movie is probably as defensible as the
    historical accuracy of the Gospels (which were all written at least three
    hundred years after the death of Jesus).

    --Rich

  10. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Rich Shewmaker said:


    "Mark Probert-February 21, 2004" <Mark [email hidden]>
    wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    Good. Want to talk about the inconsistencies of the Gospels?

    The historical accuracy of the movie is probably as defensible as the
    historical accuracy of the Gospels (which were all written at least three
    hundred years after the death of Jesus).

    I was under the impression they were older than that -- that Mark was
    written around CE 70, for example, and is the oldest of the synoptic
    gospels.

    Not that any of this has anything whatever to do with alt med. This
    is reminding me of one of "Peanuts" cartoon strips where a debate
    breaks out among the ballplayers (during a game) about the book of
    Job. Charlie Brown says something like "We don't win any ballgames,
    but we do have some interesting discussions."

    -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
    These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
    "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
    were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

  11. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Rich Shewmaker said:

    "Mark Probert-February 21, 2004" <Mark [email hidden]>
    wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Good. Want to talk about the inconsistencies of the Gospels?

    The historical accuracy of the movie is probably as defensible as the
    historical accuracy of the Gospels (which were all written at least three
    hundred years after the death of Jesus).

    No, they weren't written three hundred years after the death of Jesus.
    According to accepted Biblical and historical scholarship, the earliest
    of the Gospels (Mark) was written sometime shortly after 70 AD The
    latest of the Gospels (John) was probably sometime written around 90-110
    AD Matthew and Luke were written sometime in the same general timeframe,
    as John, with Matthew beings somewhat earlier (80-100 AD) and Luke being
    somewhat later (90-110 AD).

    --
    Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
    |
    |"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
    | inconvenience me with questions?"

  12. In article <[email hidden]>,

    (David Wright) said:

    Not that any of this has anything whatever to do with alt med. This
    is reminding me of one of "Peanuts" cartoon strips where a debate
    breaks out among the ballplayers (during a game) about the book of
    Job. Charlie Brown says something like "We don't win any ballgames,
    but we do have some interesting discussions."

    Yeah, that's pretty much right on. However, in the absence of any
    substantive discussion of alt-med one has to amuse oneself somehow,
    wouldn't you agree? ;-)

    --
    Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
    |
    |"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
    | inconvenience me with questions?"

  13. "WB" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    (Jan) said:

    That's not only hatred, it is lies.

    I'll bet $1K that jd is a pentecostal mislead mindless zombie.

    Yep, Pentecostal church stuck in the 50's.
    I've been to many.
    I'd be almost willing to bet that $1k that Jan
    has a mail order ministerial certificate.

  14. Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: The Passion of Drewster
    From: "Nana Weedkiller" [email hidden]
    Date: 2/22/2004 8:38 PM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    "WB" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    (Jan) said:

    That's not only hatred, it is lies.

    I'll bet $1K that jd is a pentecostal mislead mindless zombie.

    Yep, Pentecostal church stuck in the 50's.
    I've been to many.

    Sure you have. That's where you learned to hate and lie????

    Quoted message said:

    I'd be almost willing to bet that $1k that Jan
    has a mail order ministerial certificate.

    That 2 grand now owed me. Send a wired money order to [email hidden]

    Jan

  15. "Orac" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Rich Shewmaker said:

    "Mark Probert-February 21, 2004" <Mark [email hidden]>
    wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Good. Want to talk about the inconsistencies of the Gospels?

    The historical accuracy of the movie is probably as defensible as the
    historical accuracy of the Gospels (which were all written at least


    three

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    hundred years after the death of Jesus).

    No, they weren't written three hundred years after the death of Jesus.
    According to accepted Biblical and historical scholarship, the earliest
    of the Gospels (Mark) was written sometime shortly after 70 AD The
    latest of the Gospels (John) was probably sometime written around 90-110
    AD Matthew and Luke were written sometime in the same general timeframe,
    as John, with Matthew beings somewhat earlier (80-100 AD) and Luke being
    somewhat later (90-110 AD).

    --
    Orac

    I stand corrected. I looked up my source, and the confusion came from the
    report that the earliest physical documents of the Gospels that are known to
    exist date from the fourth century. They were, indeed, written earlier, but
    obviously not by eye-witnesses to the event.

    --Rich

  16. (Jan) said:
    Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: The Passion of Drewster
    From: "Nana Weedkiller" [email hidden]
    Date: 2/22/2004 8:38 PM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    "WB" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    On 21 Feb 2004 05:07:00 GMT, [email hidden] (Jan) wrote:

    >That's not only hatred, it is lies.

    I'll bet $1K that jd is a pentecostal mislead mindless zombie.

    Yep, Pentecostal church stuck in the 50's.
    I've been to many.

    Sure you have. That's where you learned to hate and lie????

    Quoted message said:

    I'd be almost willing to bet that $1k that Jan
    has a mail order ministerial certificate.

    That 2 grand now owed me. Send a wired money order to [email hidden]

    Jan

    The check is in the eMail.

    WB
    --

    "I can dance on the head of a pin as well"
    -Yoshimo

  17. Here's the antidote to "The Passion"

    http://members.efn.org/~hkrieger/church.htm

  18. "Nana Weedkiller" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    Here's the antidote to "The Passion"

    http://members.efn.org/~hkrieger/church.htm

    That antidote worked; thank you.
    I did a websearch for an equivalent, but not with great success.

    This one has some old ruined mission stations in New Mexico.
    I am wondering about the road sign in the desert that reads "Watch for
    Water". If wateer were to appear, it would surely be a miracle.
    www.newmexicoet.com/new_mexico_photos_8.htm

    There is also a Humor Monastery, it's given name from the 1500s.
    Maybe the humour is in the architecture.
    www.orthodoxphotos.com/Monasteries_and_Churches/Romanian/Humor/index.shtml

    There are some beautiful churches in Santorini:
    http://www.santorini.net/127.html

    "According to tradition, the island has one church for each family"
    www.all-hotels-greece.com/hist_cult_htl/santorini/santorini.htm

    And an isolated church on the edge of a lake:
    www.geocities.co.jp/SilkRoad-Oasis/3529/nz_life/travel/tekapo.html

    There were many "unusual churches" listed for LA, but I wondered what
    this lot thought of them:
    www.laokay.com/DanBrowning.htm

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