Re: USANA Essentials, the WRONG combination

Mark Thorson said:

Before getting involved with USANA, you'd be well
advised to check these out:

http://www.frauddiscovery.net/http://www.pyramidschemealert.org/PSAMain/home.html

USENET is quite the place to make opinions known. Thank you for
yours. I will attend to my own, without the hype from those who do
not understand what networking is all about, or have other hidden
agendas. Doctors, Attorneys, Dentists, and a host of other
professionals use networking to create successful businesses.
Virtually all sales is networking. Before embarking in a business
that required you to raise sheep, it would be prudent to learn
something about raising sheep. USANA, as with any MLM company,
requires networking skills.

USANA associates sell advanced nutritional products, produced in
according to Pharmaceutical GMPs, a statement few companies in this
business can boast. The products are ahead of their time, each based
on scientific research. Much of this research, by the way , is
accomplished outside the United States. I wonder why?

The binary compensation plan USANA uses is fairly new to MLM, maybe 10
years old. Other companies use the concept, which differs from other
compensation plans historically used in this industry. One of the
differences is that it compensates the middle of the tiers, very well
as opposed to other plans used by the industry. Prior to embarking in
a network marketing business, learn the business compensation plan.
Do your homework.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0971753601/sr/ref=pd_cp_b_1/103-8978198-3720663?ie=UTF8&qid=1180296270&sr=8-1&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=center-41&pf_rd_r=1Z7SDM9B3HZWZREVJXVW&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_p=252362401&pf_rd_i=0967291534

Believe in research you have accomplished yourself, or that which is
accomplished by those you can trust. Network marketing is not an easy
business, but it can be a lucrative business.

I hope this thread will generate some frank discussion about these
products, and not concentrate on current hype, regarding USANA. After
all, If the proper nutrition can extend our useful lives, why not take
a look at the current science- based nutritional products?

Good Health!

http://nutritionalportal.com/

HYGEIA Investments LLC said:

I hope this thread will generate some frank discussion about these
products, and not concentrate on current hype, regarding USANA.

Hype? You call it hype? That's the best spin
you can put on it?

Did you read the Wall Street Journal article?

http://www.pyramidschemealert.org/PSAMain/news/UsanaPyramid.WSJ.3.15.07.pdf

I'd call them a reliable source.

Mark Thorson said:

HYGEIA Investments LLC said:

I hope this thread will generate some frank discussion about these
products, and not concentrate on current hype, regarding USANA.

Hype? You call it hype? That's the best spin
you can put on it?

Did you read the Wall Street Journal article?

http://www.pyramidschemealert.org/PSAMain/news/UsanaPyramid.WSJ.3.15....

I'd call them a reliable source.

This is a nutrition group. Care to discuss nutrition and supplements?
Is there someone who wishes to keep this thread on topic?

Good Health!

http://nutritionalportal.com/

HYGEIA Investments LLC said:

This is a nutrition group. Care to discuss nutrition and supplements?
Is there someone who wishes to keep this thread on topic?

The topic is USANA, and although you started it,
you don't get to control where it goes.

For example, quoting from:
http://www.ncahf.org/digest07/07-14.html

USANA Health Sciences, Inc. and three of its top officers are
facing class-action lawsuits by shareholders who allege:

* Its business model was unsustainable because it required
the constant recruitment of new Associates due to a high level
of attrition within its sales force.

* Its multi-level marketing model operated as a pyramid scheme.

* The majority of its distributors ("Associates"😉 did not
actually sell to consumers, but rather to other Company Associates.

* Over 74% of its Associates were failing within the first year
of joining the Company.

* Over 87% of its Associates were losing money instead of
receiving compensation for their sales efforts.

* It lacked adequate internal and financial controls.

* As a result of these things, certain statements that USANA
made about its future business prospects lacked a reasonable
basis.

Mark Thorson said:

HYGEIA Investments LLC said:

This is a nutrition group. Care to discuss nutrition and supplements?
Is there someone who wishes to keep this thread on topic?

The topic is USANA, and although you started it,
you don't get to control where it goes.

For example, quoting from:http://www.ncahf.org/digest07/07-14.html

USANA Health Sciences, Inc. and three of its top officers are
facing class-action lawsuits by shareholders who allege:

* Its business model was unsustainable because it required
the constant recruitment of new Associates due to a high level
of attrition within its sales force.

* Its multi-level marketing model operated as a pyramid scheme.

* The majority of its distributors ("Associates"😉 did not
actually sell to consumers, but rather to other Company Associates.

* Over 74% of its Associates were failing within the first year
of joining the Company.

* Over 87% of its Associates were losing money instead of
receiving compensation for their sales efforts.

* It lacked adequate internal and financial controls.

* As a result of these things, certain statements that USANA
made about its future business prospects lacked a reasonable
basis.

My apologies. Looking back, I see that this IS your thread about
USANA, and not mine about nutritional supplements. I see nothing new
here. Have a good time with it 🙂

Good Health!

http://nutritionalportal.com/

HYGEIA Investments LLC said:

My apologies. Looking back, I see that this IS your thread
about USANA, and not mine about nutritional supplements.
I see nothing new here. Have a good time with it 🙂

Nothing new? Okay, I'll try to satisfy
your request for something new.

Here are more MUST READ links for anybody
thinking about getting involved with the
infamous USANA:

http://www.mlm-thetruth.com/Usana.htm
http://healthcare.seekingalpha.com/article/34625
http://newsblaze.com/story/2007052209200200001.ew/newsblaze/ENVIRWIR/EWorldWire.html

Want some more? There's plenty more
where that came from.

HYGEIA Investments LLC said:

My apologies. Looking back, I see that this IS your thread about
USANA, and not mine about nutritional supplements. I see nothing new
here. Have a good time with it 🙂

And here's more response to your request
for new stuff:

Stay tuned for more stuff! Thanks for
asking!

HYGEIA Investments LLC said:

This is a nutrition group. Care to discuss nutrition and supplements?

Sure! Do USANA supplements have the nutrition
they are supposed to have?

Quoting from this web site:
http://healthcare.seekingalpha.com/article/34625

I am more worried about the product issues. Barry Minkow
said in his report that some of the products fall short
of the claims made on the labels for ingredients. This
is from Barry Minkow's report for the Usana's product
Essential Mega Antioxidant:

* Folate (as folic acid) claimed 500 pgs per serving
and only tested for 390 pgs per serving.

* Vitamin B-12 (as cyanocobalamin) fell significantly
short from the claimed 100 pgs per serving and only
tested for 63.8 pgs per serving.

* Alpha Lipoic Acid fell short by 8% from the claimed
potency on the box.

* By far the most serious and significant shortage
resulted from the mega antioxidant ingredient Coenzyme
Q-10, which scored only 14% of the "guaranteed potency."

Mark Thorson said:

Before getting involved with USANA, you'd be well
advised to check these out:

http://www.frauddiscovery.net/http://www.pyramidschemealert.org/PSAMain/home.html

I did have a look at their supplements and compared them to what I
consider a good basic supplement regimen and found their system to be
quite far off the mark. Their complexes missed important vitamins or
had them in too low amounts. Their supplement packages were not nearly
complete nor in the right proportions. And their prices were really
unreasonable. Too expensive for the wrong mix and measures of
vitamins.

I won't comment on their business model. That is their and their
associates problem. But generally speaking, MLMs by their nature tend
to find their saturation/failure points quite eventually.

HYGEIA Investments LLC said:

Do your homework.

I sure am! Here's some more:

http://www.sequence-inc.com/press/usana.htm
http://www.sequence-inc.com/press/usanaresponse.htm

This cookie is crumbling faster than anyone
would have guessed!

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Before getting involved with USANA, you'd be well
advised to check these out:

[email hidden]

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HYGEIA Investments LLC said:

I hope this thread will generate some frank discussion about these
products, and not concentrate on current hype, regarding USANA.

Hype? You call it hype? That's the best spin
you can put on it?

Mark is famous for those best spin.

During the last several years, I have from time to time posted to this
and
other newsgroups a file of information called "An Anatoxin-a Primer." I
now
retract the statements made in the Anatoxin-a Primer.

The Anatoxin-a Primer implied that Super Blue Green Algae from Klamath
Lake,
produced by Cell Tech, contains anatoxin-a (a neurotoxin I
characterized as
addictive), and that Cell Tech deliberately avoids testing for this
toxin
because anatoxin-a is responsible for the effects reported by SBGA
users. I
have since been advised that Cell Tech conducts regular tests that
would
disclose anatoxin-a, and that this toxin has never been found in Super
Blue
Green Algae. I had no basis for the suggestions I made in the
Anatoxin-a
Primer, and I hereby retract it in full.

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Jan Drew said:

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Quoted message said:

HYGEIA Investments LLC said:

I hope this thread will generate some frank discussion about these
products, and not concentrate on current hype, regarding USANA.

Hype? You call it hype? That's the best spin
you can put on it?

Mark is famous for those best spin.

And what has that got to do with USANA?

KACHING!! - $1

<snip stuff about pond scum>

Maybe that's it - USANA salescreeps are pond scum.
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Jan Drew said:

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Quoted message said:

Before getting involved with USANA, you'd be well
advised to check these out:

[email hidden]

Is that an email address for buying USANA products, Jan?

If not:

KACHING!! - $1

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Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au
Australian Skeptics http://www.skeptics.com.au
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"Mark Thorson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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HYGEIA Investments LLC said:

I hope this thread will generate some frank discussion about these
products, and not concentrate on current hype, regarding USANA.

Hype? You call it hype? That's the best spin
you can put on it?

Mark is famous for those best spin.

During the last several years, I have from time to time posted to this
and
other newsgroups a file of information called "An Anatoxin-a Primer." I
now
retract the statements made in the Anatoxin-a Primer.

The Anatoxin-a Primer implied that Super Blue Green Algae from Klamath
Lake,
produced by Cell Tech, contains anatoxin-a (a neurotoxin I
characterized as
addictive), and that Cell Tech deliberately avoids testing for this
toxin
because anatoxin-a is responsible for the effects reported by SBGA
users. I
have since been advised that Cell Tech conducts regular tests that
would
disclose anatoxin-a, and that this toxin has never been found in Super
Blue
Green Algae. I had no basis for the suggestions I made in the
Anatoxin-a
Primer, and I hereby retract it in full.

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Jan Drew said:

Jan Drew" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

ACAHF appreciates your efforts, Jan, but quoting yourself is not
adding anything to the discussion.

KACHING!! - $1

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The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles
Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au
Australian Skeptics http://www.skeptics.com.au
To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com

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Jan Drew said:

Jan Drew" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

ACAHF appreciates your efforts, Jan, but quoting yourself is not
adding anything to the discussion.

KACHING!! - $1

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Peter

KACHING!!

Adds nothing, it" does show your harassing and your childness,

Jan Drew said:

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Jan Drew said:

Jan Drew" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

ACAHF appreciates your efforts, Jan, but quoting yourself is not
adding anything to the discussion.

KACHING!! - $1

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Peter

KACHING!!

Adds nothing, it" does show your harassing and your childness,

It's the end of the month Jan. Are you going for a last minute effort to
show your support for the ACAHF?

Jan Drew said:

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Quoted message said:

Jan Drew said:

Jan Drew" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

ACAHF appreciates your efforts, Jan, but quoting yourself is not
adding anything to the discussion.

KACHING!! - $1

--
Peter

KACHING!!

Adds nothing, it" does show your harassing and your childness,

It's not me that's generating money for ACAHF by contributing nothing
to discussions. I'm just the tallyman.

KACHING!! - $1

--
Peter Bowditch aa #2243
The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles
Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au
Australian Skeptics http://www.skeptics.com.au
To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com