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  1. LadyRebel said:
    Quoted message said:

    What Do Fat People Want?

    WE WANT fat children to grow up safe from ridicule and physical violence.
    Such hate crimes rob fat children of their self-esteem and their hope for
    the future. To this end, we want schools, social service agencies, and
    courts to recognize, and help alleviate, the socially condoned
    mistreatment of fat children.

    Children are picked on for a variety of reasons. This has been a universal
    problem since the stone age.

    Quoted message said:


    WE WANT to be healthy. We also want people to understand that being
    healthy does not necessarily mean being thin.

    Morbidly obese never means healthy.

    Quoted message said:


    WE WANT doctors who focus on our health and well-being, not on weight
    loss.

    Doctors take an oath to do no harm.

    Quoted message said:


    WE WANT doctors to stop pushing dangerous treatments: diets, diet pills,
    liposuction, and weight-loss surgery. As the New England Journal of
    Medicine said recently, "The cure for obesity [sic] may be worse than the
    condition."

    I agree with this. Doctors need to get real and encourage their morbidly
    obese patients to cease their gluttonous lifestyles.

    Quoted message said:


    WE WANT diagnostic equipment that will accommodate us: MRIs, CAT scans,
    ultrasound machines, some X-ray machines, etc.

    At the expense of everyone else.

    Quoted message said:


    WE WANT health insurance companies to stop denying coverage based on
    weight.

    Many health insurance companies provide coverage for the morbidly obese,
    you just want to pay the same price as those of us who are HWP.

    Quoted message said:


    WE WANT surgeons to stop refusing to operate on us unless we lose weight,
    just because they do not have the skill, the tools, or the technique to
    work with large bodies. (Ironically, sometimes the only surgery a fat
    person can obtain is mutilating weight-loss surgery.)

    Morbidly obese people suffer from a much higher rate of post-operative
    complications. This is due to an abundance of adipose tissue to cut
    through and the general poor health of the patient, not a lack of training
    on the surgeon's part.

    Quoted message said:


    WE WANT the media to stop quoting inaccurate and spurious statistics about
    fat mortality rates. This practice only reinforces the prejudice we face.

    For example, the oft-quoted figure of 300,000 fat-related deaths in
    America is based on a study (McGinnis and Foege, JAMA, Nov. 10, 1993) that
    linked these deaths to sedentary lifestyle and poor diet, not to weight!

    You can't say the same about (N Engl J Med. 1999 Oct 7;341(15):1140-1).

    Quoted message said:


    WE WANT the FDA to test weight-loss drugs thoroughly for safety before
    approving them for use by millions of consumers who are all-too-eager for
    a miracle pill, even when it is life-threatening. Beyond that, we question
    the value or wisdom of seeking medical cures for social problems in the
    first place.

    Rein in your gluttony and weight loss medication will not be needed.

    Quoted message said:


    WE WANT doctors and health professionals to heed the New England Journal
    of Medicine's January 1, 1998 editorial, "Losing Weight-An Ill-Fated New
    Year's Resolution," when it says:

    "Doctors should do their part to help end discrimination against
    overweight [sic] people in schools and workplaces. We should also speak
    out against the public's excessive infatuation with being thin and the
    extreme, expensive, and potentially dangerous measures taken to attain
    that goal. Many Americans are sacrificing their appreciation of one of the
    great pleasure of life--eating--in an attempt to look like our semi-starved
    celebrities. Countless numbers of our daughters and increasingly many of
    our sons are suffering immeasurable torment in fruitless weight-loss
    schemes and scams, and some are losing their lives."

    Anyone who think that fat activists are starving themselves should pay a
    visit to http://www.naafa.org and look at some of the pictures.

    Quoted message said:


    We couldn't have said it better ourselves.

    Too bad for you that the concept of fat acceptance is universally scorned.

    Quoted message said:


    We invite people of good conscience to join with us in decrying the last
    acceptable prejudice in our culture--the prejudice against fat people.

    It's discernment, not prejudice.

    Quoted message said:

    Help us create a world that celebrates diversity of size!

    Personal failure is nothing to celebrate.

  2. On 23 Nov 2004 15:00:37 -0000, [email hidden]

    (Gandolf Parker) said:
    LadyRebel said:
    Quoted message said:

    What Do Fat People Want?

    WE WANT fat children to grow up safe from ridicule and physical violence.
    Such hate crimes rob fat children of their self-esteem and their hope for
    the future. To this end, we want schools, social service agencies, and
    courts to recognize, and help alleviate, the socially condoned
    mistreatment of fat children.

    Children are picked on for a variety of reasons. This has been a universal
    problem since the stone age.

    Quoted message said:


    WE WANT to be healthy. We also want people to understand that being
    healthy does not necessarily mean being thin.

    Morbidly obese never means healthy.

    Quoted message said:


    WE WANT doctors who focus on our health and well-being, not on weight
    loss.

    Doctors take an oath to do no harm.

    Quoted message said:


    WE WANT doctors to stop pushing dangerous treatments: diets, diet pills,
    liposuction, and weight-loss surgery. As the New England Journal of
    Medicine said recently, "The cure for obesity [sic] may be worse than the
    condition."

    I agree with this. Doctors need to get real and encourage their morbidly
    obese patients to cease their gluttonous lifestyles.

    Quoted message said:


    WE WANT diagnostic equipment that will accommodate us: MRIs, CAT scans,
    ultrasound machines, some X-ray machines, etc.

    At the expense of everyone else.

    Quoted message said:


    WE WANT health insurance companies to stop denying coverage based on
    weight.

    Many health insurance companies provide coverage for the morbidly obese,
    you just want to pay the same price as those of us who are HWP.

    Quoted message said:


    WE WANT surgeons to stop refusing to operate on us unless we lose weight,
    just because they do not have the skill, the tools, or the technique to
    work with large bodies. (Ironically, sometimes the only surgery a fat
    person can obtain is mutilating weight-loss surgery.)

    Morbidly obese people suffer from a much higher rate of post-operative
    complications. This is due to an abundance of adipose tissue to cut
    through and the general poor health of the patient, not a lack of training
    on the surgeon's part.

    Quoted message said:


    WE WANT the media to stop quoting inaccurate and spurious statistics about
    fat mortality rates. This practice only reinforces the prejudice we face.

    For example, the oft-quoted figure of 300,000 fat-related deaths in
    America is based on a study (McGinnis and Foege, JAMA, Nov. 10, 1993) that
    linked these deaths to sedentary lifestyle and poor diet, not to weight!

    You can't say the same about (N Engl J Med. 1999 Oct 7;341(15):1140-1).

    Quoted message said:


    WE WANT the FDA to test weight-loss drugs thoroughly for safety before
    approving them for use by millions of consumers who are all-too-eager for
    a miracle pill, even when it is life-threatening. Beyond that, we question
    the value or wisdom of seeking medical cures for social problems in the
    first place.

    Rein in your gluttony and weight loss medication will not be needed.

    Quoted message said:


    WE WANT doctors and health professionals to heed the New England Journal
    of Medicine's January 1, 1998 editorial, "Losing Weight-An Ill-Fated New
    Year's Resolution," when it says:

    "Doctors should do their part to help end discrimination against
    overweight [sic] people in schools and workplaces. We should also speak
    out against the public's excessive infatuation with being thin and the
    extreme, expensive, and potentially dangerous measures taken to attain
    that goal. Many Americans are sacrificing their appreciation of one of the
    great pleasure of life--eating--in an attempt to look like our semi-starved
    celebrities. Countless numbers of our daughters and increasingly many of
    our sons are suffering immeasurable torment in fruitless weight-loss
    schemes and scams, and some are losing their lives."

    Anyone who think that fat activists are starving themselves should pay a
    visit to http://www.naafa.org and look at some of the pictures.

    Quoted message said:


    We couldn't have said it better ourselves.

    Too bad for you that the concept of fat acceptance is universally scorned.

    Quoted message said:


    We invite people of good conscience to join with us in decrying the last
    acceptable prejudice in our culture--the prejudice against fat people.

    It's discernment, not prejudice.

    Quoted message said:

    Help us create a world that celebrates diversity of size!

    Personal failure is nothing to celebrate.


    The U.S. is increasingly being populated by people who, also
    increasingly, cannot control their impulses. Therefore, they cannot
    control their reaction and response to seeing people who are obese.
    They, therefore, automatically mouth their reactions to obesity and
    the other impulses of "you should be just like me" so you must be
    "bad." They controlled the last election.

  3. [email hidden] (Gandolf Parker) wrote in
    news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    WE WANT doctors to stop pushing dangerous treatments: diets, diet pills,
    liposuction, and weight-loss surgery. As the New England Journal of
    Medicine said recently, "The cure for obesity [sic] may be worse than the
    condition."

    I agree with this. Doctors need to get real and encourage their morbidly
    obese patients to cease their gluttonous lifestyles.

    Actually when you bother to try and discuss these things it appears that
    you agree with most of us in soc.support.fat-acceptance. The only
    difference is that you keep trying to insert "morbidly obese" into posts
    where no one is discussing "morbidly obese". Morbidly obese as a doctor
    defines it on someone, isnt being argued by anyone Ive seen yet.

    Gandalf Parker

  4. On Tue, 23 Nov 2004, Gandalf Parker <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:


    [email hidden] (Gandolf Parker) wrote in
    news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    WE WANT doctors to stop pushing dangerous treatments: diets, diet pills,
    liposuction, and weight-loss surgery. As the New England Journal of
    Medicine said recently, "The cure for obesity [sic] may be worse than the
    condition."

    I agree with this. Doctors need to get real and encourage their morbidly
    obese patients to cease their gluttonous lifestyles.

    Actually when you bother to try and discuss these things it appears that
    you agree with most of us in soc.support.fat-acceptance. The only
    difference is that you keep trying to insert "morbidly obese" into posts
    where no one is discussing "morbidly obese". Morbidly obese as a doctor
    defines it on someone, isnt being argued by anyone Ive seen yet.

    The average fat acceptor is morbidly obese. See verifiable documentation
    below:

    Last updated: 11.04.02

    soc.support.fat-rejectance FAQ
    Appendix A Version 5.0

    7. How fat are these people?

    The self reported average weight of internet fat acceptors is 323.31pounds.

    (80 records, 25,865 pounds, 25,865/80 = 323.31)

    41 of those 80 also provided thier heights from which thier BMI was
    calculated. Among those 40 the average BMI was 48.65. That is to say, 8.65
    above the BMI 40 morbid obesity threshold.

    Here are the figures for those members the soc.support.fat-acceptance hippo
    herd (and a few posters to the NAAFA message board) who have gone on record
    regarding just how much fat they are accepting.

    [email hidden] (EPSepul): 250 pounds, height N/A
    - - - - - Message-ID: <[email hidden]>

    likat <[email hidden]>: 342 pounds, height N/A
    - - - - - Message-ID: <[email hidden]>

    [email hidden] (Sandy n ne): over 350 pounds, height N/A, age 33
    - - - - - Message-ID: <[email hidden]>

    [email hidden] (Heather619): around 200 pounds, height N/A, age
    28
    - - - - - Message-ID: <[email hidden]>

    bbw <[email hidden]>: 375 pounds or so, height 5'2", age 52, BMI:
    68.6
    - - - - - Message-ID: <[email hidden]>

    [email hidden]: 200 pounds, height 5'7", age 59, BMI: 31.3
    (her husband weighs 250)
    - - - - - Message-ID: <[email hidden]>

    [email hidden] (AuroraeB): 375 pounds, age near 30
    - - - - - Message-ID: <[email hidden]>

    Alisha Price" <[email hidden]>: 'upper 200's', height N/A,
    age 24
    - - - - - Message-ID: <[email hidden]>

    Katrina Rowe <[email hidden]>: 405 lbs, height 5'10",
    BMI: 58.2
    - - - - - Message-ID: <[email hidden]>

    "kbee" <[email hidden]>: 270 pounds, height N/A
    - - - - - Message-ID: <01bdbc85$2a57a0a0$1d65a2cd@kbee>

    [email hidden] (Mabray44): 500+ pounds, height N/A
    - - - - - Message-ID: <[email hidden]>
    mabray44 is also Ayla ([email hidden]).
    see Message-ID: <[email hidden]> for the
    proof.

    [email hidden] (Rubyfleur): 315 pounds, height 5' 9 1/2", BMI:
    45.2,
    age: 33
    - - - - - Message-ID: <[email hidden]>
    Message-ID: <[email hidden]> (age 04-30-01)
    Message-ID: <[email hidden]> (height)

    [email hidden] (Firebird10): 410 pounds, height: 6'1", age 40,
    BMI: 54.1
    - - - - - Message-ID: <[email hidden]>

    BBW32 <[email hidden]>: 300+ pounds, height 5'6", age 27, BMI: 48.5
    - - - - - Message-ID: <[email hidden]>

    [email hidden] (Mandy716): 295 pounds, height N/A
    - - - - - Message-ID: <[email hidden]>

    rossana <[email hidden]>: 320 pounds, height 5'4", BMI:
    55.0
    - - - - - Message-ID: <[email hidden]>

    Camille Klein <[email hidden]>: 320 pounds, height 5'8" age:
    28,
    BMI: 48.7
    - - - - - Message-ID: <[email hidden]>

    Mrs "Bob" Babymash (snr) <[email hidden]>: 470 pounds,
    height N/A
    - - - - - Message-ID: <[email hidden]>

    Terri Williams <[email hidden]>: 400 pounds, height 5'2",
    BMI: 73.2
    - - - - - Message-ID: <[email hidden]>

    [email hidden]: 260 pounds, height 5'3 1/2", BMI: 45.4
    - - - - - Message-ID: <[email hidden]>
    <[email hidden]>

    "Rhiannon" <[email hidden]>: 230 pounds, height 5'4", BMI: 40.8,
    age 22
    - - - - - Message-ID: <01be45e5$218d7aa0$0100a8c0@maggie>

    [email hidden] (ComplexGal): 240 pounds, height 5'8.5", BMI: 35.5
    - - - - - Message-ID: <[email hidden]>

    [email hidden] (Jane): 'just over 300' height N/A, age:
    'over 40'
    - - - - - Message-ID: <[email hidden]>
    Message-ID: <[email hidden]>

    [email hidden]: 270 pounds, height N/A
    - - - - - Message-ID: <[email hidden]>

    [email hidden] (HugeTricia): 425 pounds, height 6'1", BMI: 56.1
    - - - - - Message-ID: <[email hidden]>

    [email hidden] (Priscilla H Ballou): 240 pounds, height N/A
    - - - - - Message-ID: <[email hidden]>

    [email hidden]: 350 pounds, height N/A
    (husband 550 pounds)
    - - - - - Message-ID: <[email hidden]>

    [email hidden] (Donald Brown): 380 pounds, height N/A
    Update: Demonstrating his tacit commitment to fat rejectance donald
    has lost
    35 pounds and now weighs 345. Good show don! We're all rooting for
    you!
    - - - - - Message-ID:
    <[email hidden]>
    - - - - - Message-ID: <[email hidden]>

    [email hidden] (SarahSidhe): 243 pounds, height 5'10.5",
    BMI: 34.7
    - - - - - Message-ID: <[email hidden]>
    Note: Sarah has since become a fat rejector, going on the Atkins diet
    and
    losing 81 pounds.
    - - - - - Message-ID: <uRIzrTenAHA.237@cpmsnbbsa07>

    [email hidden] (Gina Marie Wade): 380 pounds, height 5'8", BMI:
    57.8,
    age 31
    - - - - - Message-ID: <[email hidden]>

    Baby Krishna Floating on the Cosmic Ocean <[email hidden]>: 240 to
    250,
    height N/A, age: 18
    - - - - - Message-ID: <[email hidden]>

    Mary Block <[email hidden]>: 300 pounds, height 5'10",
    BMI: 43.1
    - - - - - Message-ID: <[email hidden]>

    [email hidden]: 350 pounds, height 5'2", BMI: 64.1
    - - - - - Message-ID: <[email hidden]>

    [email hidden]: 400 pounds, height N/A
    - - - - - Message-ID: <[email hidden]>

    "Stefan" <[email hidden]>: 400 pounds. height N/A
    measurements: 53-47-80 (goddam that is a big fat ass!)
    - - - - - Message-ID: <[email hidden]>

    Eva Whitley <[email hidden]>: 310 pounds (estimated from claim to
    be
    'almost twice' 170 lbs), height 5'3", BMI: 54.9
    - - - - - Message-ID: <[email hidden]>

    [email hidden] (Carolee Barker): "weighs between
    190-210'
    height: 5'8", BMI: 30.4 (based on 200)
    - - - - - Message-ID: <[email hidden]> (weight)
    Message-ID: <[email hidden]> (height)

    "Tina Swiney" <[email hidden]>: 320 pounds, height 6'0.5", BMI:
    42.3
    (height rounded up to 6'1"😉
    - - - - - news:[email hidden]

    [email hidden]: 425 pounds, height 5'10", BMI: 61.1
    - - - - - Message-ID:
    <[email hidden]>
    UPDATE. as of May 24 2001:
    523 pounds, height 5'10", BMI: 75.1 - a new record.
    - - - - - Message-ID:
    <[email hidden]>

    Angela <[email hidden]>: 300 pounds, height N/A
    age: 24. update: appears to be gaining - now up to 320 pounds.*
    - - - - - Message-ID: <[email hidden]>
    *Message-ID: <[email hidden]>

    Nubianne Kthulah Black <[email hidden]>: 180 pounds, height 5'4",
    BMI: 30.96, age: 31
    - - - - - Message-ID: <[email hidden]>

    "A.J. Davenport" <[email hidden]>: 280 pounds, height 5'8", BMI:
    42.6
    - - - - - Message-ID: <[email hidden]>
    UPDATE: A.J. has lost 15 pounds. the revised figures are:
    265 pounds, height: 5'8", BMI: 40.3
    - - - - - Message-ID: <[email hidden]>

    Jeff Ramsey" <[email hidden]>: 485 pounds, height N/A
    - - - - - Message-ID: <[email hidden]>

    "T & D Adams" <[email hidden]>: 285 pounds, Age: 38
    - - - - - Message-ID: <[email hidden]>

    Lizmore <[email hidden]>: "around 300", Age: 35
    - - - - - Message-ID: <[email hidden]>

    Lady Veteran <[email hidden]>: 260 pounds, height: 5'6.5", BMI:
    40.8*, Age: 45 * rounded up (heh) to 5'7"
    - - - - - Message-ID: <[email hidden]>
    UPDATE: thanks to the tireless efforts of marty and other charitable
    souls
    bobbi has embraced fat rejectance and lost 20 pounds. the revised
    figures
    are:
    240 pounds, height: 5'6.5", BMI: 37.6
    - - - - - Message-ID: <[email hidden]>

    Joan <[email hidden]>: 350 pounds, height: 5'10", BMI: 50.3 (from
    NAAFA
    message board)
    - - - - - Message-ID: <[email hidden]>

    sweething32 <[email hidden]> (tigress): 336 pounds, height:
    N/A,
    age: 32
    - - - - - Message-ID: <[email hidden]>

    papabear <[email hidden]>: 310 pounds, height: 5'10", BMI:
    44.5,
    age: 45
    - - - - - Message-ID: <[email hidden]>

    FatGuy37: 420 pounds, height: 6', BMI: 57.0, age: 'in my 20s'
    - - - - - Message-ID: <[email hidden]>
    (Reposted from the NAAFA message board.)

    [email hidden] (angela): 'about' 300 pounds, height: N/A, age:
    24
    - - - - - Message-ID: <[email hidden]>

    [email hidden] (Big J1701): 450 pounds, height: N/A
    - - - - - Message-ID: <[email hidden]>

    Cecily Walker <[email hidden]>: 300 pounds, height: N/A
    - - - - - Message-ID: <[email hidden]>

    hahntsak <[email hidden]>: 'over 400' pounds, height: N/A
    - - - - - Message-ID: <[email hidden]>

    "kizzume" <[email hidden]>: 185 pounds, height: 5'8", BMI: 28.1
    - - - - - Message-ID: <[email hidden]>

  5. In article <[email hidden]>, Gandolf Parker

    Quoted message said:

    The average fat acceptor is morbidly obese. See verifiable documentation
    below:

    Last updated: 11.04.02

    So, Gandolf, why are you so hung up on this? Is your life so empty
    that you have nothing better to do than pick on big people? Or are
    you like the homophobes and secretly desire to be big? Or is it
    a mid-life hang-up about having a small penis? Perhaps you should
    get some thearapy. It must be a bummer going through life with so
    much hatred bearing down on you all the time. It makes you sound
    so pathetic.

    -john-

    --
    ====================================================================
    John A. Weeks III 952-432-2708 [email hidden]
    Newave Communications http://www.johnweeks.com
    ====================================================================

  6. [email hidden] (Gandolf Parker) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    On Tue, 23 Nov 2004, Gandalf Parker <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:


    [email hidden] (Gandolf Parker) wrote in
    news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:

    >WE WANT doctors to stop pushing dangerous treatments: diets, diet pills,
    >liposuction, and weight-loss surgery. As the New England Journal of
    >Medicine said recently, "The cure for obesity [sic] may be worse than the
    >condition."

    I agree with this. Doctors need to get real and encourage their morbidly
    obese patients to cease their gluttonous lifestyles.

    Actually when you bother to try and discuss these things it appears that
    you agree with most of us in soc.support.fat-acceptance. The only
    difference is that you keep trying to insert "morbidly obese" into posts
    where no one is discussing "morbidly obese". Morbidly obese as a doctor
    defines it on someone, isnt being argued by anyone Ive seen yet.

    The average fat acceptor is morbidly obese. See verifiable documentation
    below:

    Last updated: 11.04.02

    soc.support.fat-rejectance FAQ
    Appendix A Version 5.0

    7. How fat are these people?

    The self reported average weight of internet fat acceptors is 323.31pounds.

    (80 records, 25,865 pounds, 25,865/80 = 323.31)

    41 of those 80 also provided thier heights from which thier BMI was
    calculated. Among those 40 the average BMI was 48.65. That is to say, 8.65
    above the BMI 40 morbid obesity threshold.

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