Re: What Supplements cause problems?

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Anth said:

Translation : I can't be arsed reading your book.

Why should I bother reading a spammer's book?

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
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"If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

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In article <[email hidden]>,

Peter Blackman said:

David what is your problem? You sound frustrated.

I'm only frustrated by people like you, who use something I wrote to
launch into a completely unrelated tirade. In your case, your tirade
is intended to push people into reading your book.

I don't "sound frustrated" in my posting you quoted. That's just your
imagination.

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Anth said:

Kaposi's sarcoma is an depleted immune system cancer.

It's also caused by a virus, which is not true of most cancers.
(Cervical cancer is another.)

Try again.

Indeed, the occurence of Kaposi's sarcoma in patients with HIV/AIDS
was one of the red flags that had docs baffled when AIDS was still a
complete mystery 25 years ago -- it is a cancer that used to be found
in a far different demographic group than the folks who were coming in
to MD offices with it.

Yep -- in the pre-AIDS days, Kaposi's was quite rare. In fact, my
uncle, who was a doctor, told me he passed his dermatology class by
identifying a case of Kaposi's. The patient, if I remember this
right, was an elderly man from the north of Italy (a region where
Kaposi's was relatively common).

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

Maybe there's truth in there?
Anth

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In article <[email hidden]>,

Anth said:

Translation : I can't be arsed reading your book.

Why should I bother reading a spammer's book?

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

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"David Wright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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In article <[email hidden]>,
Peter Blackman <[email hidden]> wrote:
>David what is your problem? You sound frustrated.

I'm only frustrated by people like you, who use something I wrote to
launch into a completely unrelated tirade. In your case, your tirade
is intended to push people into reading your book.

I don't "sound frustrated" in my posting you quoted. That's just your
imagination.

So you admit cancer rates are on the increase thank you.
Anth

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In article <[email hidden]>,

Anth said:

Yes I have - I responded to Jan's post, and yes cancer rates are

increasing

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in the younger generation also - go look it up - the information is

there..

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Ignore all you wish.

As the BBC web story pointed out, yes, pediatric cancer rates have
been rising very slowly.

You then assert that this is due to "weakened immune systems." In
fact, nobody knows what's causing it.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

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In article <[email hidden]>,
Anth <[email hidden]> wrote:
>By the same reasoning diabetes is caused by high blood sugars.
>The other argument about intelligent design invokes Occam's razor

You're still putting the cart before the horse, Anth. You haven't
shown that cancers are generally rising and you haven't shown that
any rise in cancers is due to the "weakened immune systems" of the
people getting the cancers. You're basically assuming your
conclusion and then claiming you've proved something.

And since you didn't quote any material relating to intelligent
design, I'm going to ignore you on that point.

(re-post for lazy liars)

Immunity and Cancer
When normal cells turn into cancer cells, some of the antigens on their
surface change.

These new or altered antigens flag immune defenders, including cytotoxic T
cells, natural killer cells, and macrophages. According to one theory,
patrolling cells of the immune system provide continuing bodywide
surveillance, spying out and eliminating cells that undergo malignant
transformation. Tumors develop when the surveillance system breaks down or
is overwhelmed.

http://www.research.vt.edu/resmag/sciencecol/cancer97.html
Recently, it was discovered that Mfs help regulate infections and tumors
through the production of interleukin (IL)-12, a vital communication
molecule between Mfs and other immune cells. What if Mfs don't produce
enough IL-12? Elgert's research has demonstrated that Mfs in animals with
tumors make less IL-12.

In addition, the researchers have discovered that the impact is not just
limited to the tumor, but the immune system throughout the body is
compromised, Elgert says.

Cancer is a compromised immune system (Elgert)

David you are wrong about 2 things
(1) Cancer rates are on the increase (at an alarming rate amoungst the
younger population also)
(2) Cancer is the result of a weaked immune system.

Anth

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In article <[email hidden]>,

Anth said:

Yes I have - I responded to Jan's post, and yes cancer rates are

increasing

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

in the younger generation also - go look it up - the information is

there..

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Ignore all you wish.

As the BBC web story pointed out, yes, pediatric cancer rates have
been rising very slowly.

You then assert that this is due to "weakened immune systems." In
fact, nobody knows what's causing it.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

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"David Wright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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In article <[email hidden]>,
Anth <[email hidden]> wrote:
>By the same reasoning diabetes is caused by high blood sugars.
>The other argument about intelligent design invokes Occam's razor

You're still putting the cart before the horse, Anth. You haven't
shown that cancers are generally rising and you haven't shown that
any rise in cancers is due to the "weakened immune systems" of the
people getting the cancers. You're basically assuming your
conclusion and then claiming you've proved something.

And since you didn't quote any material relating to intelligent
design, I'm going to ignore you on that point.

"Anth" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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So you admit cancer rates are on the increase thank you.

Idiot. He admit's no such thing in then way you mean. You are using, by
selective citation, indefensible interpretations of his posts. You are an
intellectually dishonest non-combatant with nothing to say.

"To criticize is to volunteer." - A. Schwartz

Le M.

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Anth

"David Wright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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In article <[email hidden]>,

Anth said:

Yes I have - I responded to Jan's post, and yes cancer rates are

increasing

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

in the younger generation also - go look it up - the information is

there..

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Ignore all you wish.

As the BBC web story pointed out, yes, pediatric cancer rates have
been rising very slowly.

You then assert that this is due to "weakened immune systems." In
fact, nobody knows what's causing it.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

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"David Wright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> In article <[email hidden]>,
> Anth <[email hidden]> wrote:
> >By the same reasoning diabetes is caused by high blood sugars.
> >The other argument about intelligent design invokes Occam's razor
>
> You're still putting the cart before the horse, Anth. You haven't
> shown that cancers are generally rising and you haven't shown that
> any rise in cancers is due to the "weakened immune systems" of the
> people getting the cancers. You're basically assuming your
> conclusion and then claiming you've proved something.
>
> And since you didn't quote any material relating to intelligent
> design, I'm going to ignore you on that point.

You're an idiot asehole, all you can do is yell at people and call people
names
Anth

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"Anth" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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So you admit cancer rates are on the increase thank you.

Idiot. He admit's no such thing in then way you mean. You are using, by
selective citation, indefensible interpretations of his posts. You are an
intellectually dishonest non-combatant with nothing to say.

"To criticize is to volunteer." - A. Schwartz

Le M.

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Anth

"David Wright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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In article <[email hidden]>,
Anth <[email hidden]> wrote:
>Yes I have - I responded to Jan's post, and yes cancer rates are

increasing

Quoted message said:

>in the younger generation also - go look it up - the information is

there..

Quoted message said:

>Ignore all you wish.

As the BBC web story pointed out, yes, pediatric cancer rates have
been rising very slowly.

You then assert that this is due to "weakened immune systems." In
fact, nobody knows what's causing it.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

>"David Wright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
>news:[email hidden]...
>> In article <[email hidden]>,
>> Anth <[email hidden]> wrote:
>> >By the same reasoning diabetes is caused by high blood sugars.
>> >The other argument about intelligent design invokes Occam's razor
>>
>> You're still putting the cart before the horse, Anth. You haven't
>> shown that cancers are generally rising and you haven't shown that
>> any rise in cancers is due to the "weakened immune systems" of the
>> people getting the cancers. You're basically assuming your
>> conclusion and then claiming you've proved something.
>>
>> And since you didn't quote any material relating to intelligent
>> design, I'm going to ignore you on that point.

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From: "Happy Dog" [email hidden]

Happy has lost his bone again.

<Insults and whining deleted>

Jan

In article <[email hidden]>,

Anth said:

Maybe there's truth in there?

Like I'm going to go register on a spammer's web site to find out.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

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"David Wright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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In article <[email hidden]>,

Anth said:

Translation : I can't be arsed reading your book.

Why should I bother reading a spammer's book?

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"David Wright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> In article <[email hidden]>,
> Peter Blackman <[email hidden]> wrote:
> >David what is your problem? You sound frustrated.
>
> I'm only frustrated by people like you, who use something I wrote to
> launch into a completely unrelated tirade. In your case, your tirade
> is intended to push people into reading your book.
>
> I don't "sound frustrated" in my posting you quoted. That's just your
> imagination.

In article <[email hidden]>,

Anth said:

So you admit cancer rates are on the increase thank you.

Yeah -- and you are still about 500 km from proving that it has
anything whatever to do with "weakened immune systems."

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

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"David Wright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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In article <[email hidden]>,

Anth said:

Yes I have - I responded to Jan's post, and yes cancer rates are

increasing

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

in the younger generation also - go look it up - the information is

there..

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Ignore all you wish.

As the BBC web story pointed out, yes, pediatric cancer rates have
been rising very slowly.

You then assert that this is due to "weakened immune systems." In
fact, nobody knows what's causing it.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

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"David Wright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
> In article <[email hidden]>,
> Anth <[email hidden]> wrote:
> >By the same reasoning diabetes is caused by high blood sugars.
> >The other argument about intelligent design invokes Occam's razor
>
> You're still putting the cart before the horse, Anth. You haven't
> shown that cancers are generally rising and you haven't shown that
> any rise in cancers is due to the "weakened immune systems" of the
> people getting the cancers. You're basically assuming your
> conclusion and then claiming you've proved something.
>
> And since you didn't quote any material relating to intelligent
> design, I'm going to ignore you on that point.

In article <[email hidden]>,

Anth said:

(re-post for lazy liars)

Immunity and Cancer
When normal cells turn into cancer cells, some of the antigens on their
surface change.

These new or altered antigens flag immune defenders, including cytotoxic T
cells, natural killer cells, and macrophages. According to one theory,
patrolling cells of the immune system provide continuing bodywide
surveillance, spying out and eliminating cells that undergo malignant
transformation. Tumors develop when the surveillance system breaks down or
is overwhelmed.

http://www.research.vt.edu/resmag/sciencecol/cancer97.html
Recently, it was discovered that Mfs help regulate infections and tumors
through the production of interleukin (IL)-12, a vital communication
molecule between Mfs and other immune cells. What if Mfs don't produce
enough IL-12? Elgert's research has demonstrated that Mfs in animals with
tumors make less IL-12.

In addition, the researchers have discovered that the impact is not just
limited to the tumor, but the immune system throughout the body is
compromised, Elgert says.

Cancer is a compromised immune system (Elgert)

David you are wrong about 2 things
(1) Cancer rates are on the increase (at an alarming rate amoungst the
younger population also)

I have conceded this. But what's interesting is that it's not all
types of cancers, just some. Which is odd.

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(2) Cancer is the result of a weaked immune system.

Sorry, Anth, but you haven't shown this. It's just one theory.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

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Anth

"David Wright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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In article <[email hidden]>,

Anth said:

Yes I have - I responded to Jan's post, and yes cancer rates are

increasing

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

in the younger generation also - go look it up - the information is

there..

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Ignore all you wish.

As the BBC web story pointed out, yes, pediatric cancer rates have
been rising very slowly.

You then assert that this is due to "weakened immune systems." In
fact, nobody knows what's causing it.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

Quoted message said:

"David Wright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
> In article <[email hidden]>,
> Anth <[email hidden]> wrote:
> >By the same reasoning diabetes is caused by high blood sugars.
> >The other argument about intelligent design invokes Occam's razor
>
> You're still putting the cart before the horse, Anth. You haven't
> shown that cancers are generally rising and you haven't shown that
> any rise in cancers is due to the "weakened immune systems" of the
> people getting the cancers. You're basically assuming your
> conclusion and then claiming you've proved something.
>
> And since you didn't quote any material relating to intelligent
> design, I'm going to ignore you on that point.

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Subject: Re: What Supplements cause problems?
From: [email hidden] (David Wright)
Date: 4/15/2004 5:48 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

In article <[email hidden]>,

Anth said:

(re-post for lazy liars)

Immunity and Cancer
When normal cells turn into cancer cells, some of the antigens on their
surface change.

These new or altered antigens flag immune defenders, including cytotoxic T
cells, natural killer cells, and macrophages. According to one theory,
patrolling cells of the immune system provide continuing bodywide
surveillance, spying out and eliminating cells that undergo malignant
transformation. Tumors develop when the surveillance system breaks down or
is overwhelmed.

http://www.research.vt.edu/resmag/sciencecol/cancer97.html
Recently, it was discovered that Mfs help regulate infections and tumors
through the production of interleukin (IL)-12, a vital communication
molecule between Mfs and other immune cells. What if Mfs don't produce
enough IL-12? Elgert's research has demonstrated that Mfs in animals with
tumors make less IL-12.

In addition, the researchers have discovered that the impact is not just
limited to the tumor, but the immune system throughout the body is
compromised, Elgert says.

Cancer is a compromised immune system (Elgert)

David you are wrong about 2 things
(1) Cancer rates are on the increase (at an alarming rate amoungst the
younger population also)

I have conceded this. But what's interesting is that it's not all
types of cancers, just some. Which is odd.

Quoted message said:

(2) Cancer is the result of a weaked immune system.

Sorry, Anth, but you haven't shown this. It's just one theory.

Anyone with a weakened immune system is fair game for any disease.

http://www.recoverymedicine.com/immune_dysfunction_treatment.htm

http://user.icx.net/~drherb/cancer.html

Jan