Re: When's it enough??

On Aug 4, 2:28 pm, Crescentius Vespasianus <[email hidden]>

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Do you think that if alcohol was a cause
in a car fatality, that they should also
hide that from the public? In the
1950's, people were astonished to see so
many people dying in car crashes, only
later when the newspapers started
reporting that alcohol was involved did
the public start being educated about
the cause of all these deaths. It's sad
for the families involved that their
Dad, or son died in a car crash because
he was drunk, but the public has a right
to know what is behind all the mayhem.

Trying to link everything negative that happens to doping is
ridiculous.
Did you take "Reefer Madness" for an accurate documentary?
This was a scumbag publicity grab. As Howard suggested it has a lot
more in common with Fred Phelps than a decent human being.
Bill C

Crescentius Vespasianus said:

But a half century
of bio-engineering by potheads has
created a weed that is so strong, that
regular use will cause a certain mental
breakdown.

Potheads doing bio-engineering must be a haphazard process, a bit like
Shakespeare's monkeys or beavis and butthead do astrophysics.

Quoted message said:

Anecdotal. The study said subjects are 200 times more likely to experience
a psychotic episode than non-smokers. Anecdotally, I've seen it recently in
a close family member first-hand. Scared the [censored] out of us (and I was a
daily user back in the day). While we there getting a mental health eval
done, the E.R. doc told us despite what all the advocates for relaxed laws
here in permissive Canada say, he's seen multiple cases of psychotic
delusional thinking in that E.R. from nothing more than the whacky tobacky.
It's real. We've seen it.

JF

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Of course it's real, the new weed bends
minds in very unfortunate ways. Maybe
the others are still smokin' dirt weed
and getting ripped off, but for the ones
who are getting the real '07 primo
stuff, they are playing a game of
russian roulette. Reefer madness
finally became real in the 21st century.

In article
<[email hidden]>,

Donald Munro said:

Crescentius Vespasianus said:

But a half century
of bio-engineering by potheads has
created a weed that is so strong, that
regular use will cause a certain mental
breakdown.

Potheads doing bio-engineering must be a haphazard process, a bit like
Shakespeare's monkeys or beavis and butthead do astrophysics.

I'm sure Benjamin is a perfectly adequate astrophysicist.

--
Michael Press

On Aug 5, 5:29 am, Crescentius Vespasianus <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Trying to link everything negative that happens to doping is
ridiculous.
Did you take "Reefer Madness" for an accurate documentary?
This was a scumbag publicity grab. As Howard suggested it has a lot
more in common with Fred Phelps than a decent human being.
Bill C

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Funny you brought up reefer madness,
because I read a news story the other
day that the predictions of permanent
psychosis caused by regular smoking of
pot has now become reality. Of course
when they made reefer madness, it was a
cartoon, because the weed in those days
was more likely to give you headache
than get you high. But a half century
of bio-engineering by potheads has
created a weed that is so strong, that
regular use will cause a certain mental
breakdown.

Dumbass -

That is such an incredible load of crock.

In this country we are surrounded by potheads who function very well.
Personally, I don't like the stuff (puts me to sleep), but have plenty
of friends who are chronic. Don't see any signs of psychosis in any of
them.

Other recreational drugs, ya, but not marijuana.

thanks,

K. Gringioni.

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HOLD THE MAYO!!!

"Kurgan Gringioni" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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On Aug 5, 5:29 am, Crescentius Vespasianus <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Trying to link everything negative that happens to doping is
ridiculous.
Did you take "Reefer Madness" for an accurate documentary?
This was a scumbag publicity grab. As Howard suggested it has a lot
more in common with Fred Phelps than a decent human being.
Bill C

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Funny you brought up reefer madness,
because I read a news story the other
day that the predictions of permanent
psychosis caused by regular smoking of
pot has now become reality. Of course
when they made reefer madness, it was a
cartoon, because the weed in those days
was more likely to give you headache
than get you high. But a half century
of bio-engineering by potheads has
created a weed that is so strong, that
regular use will cause a certain mental
breakdown.

Dumbass -

That is such an incredible load of crock.

In this country we are surrounded by potheads who function very well.
Personally, I don't like the stuff (puts me to sleep), but have plenty
of friends who are chronic. Don't see any signs of psychosis in any of
them.

Other recreational drugs, ya, but not marijuana.

Dumbass -

Anecdotal. The study said subjects are 200 times more likely to experience
a psychotic episode than non-smokers. Anecdotally, I've seen it recently in
a close family member first-hand. Scared the [censored] out of us (and I was a
daily user back in the day). While we there getting a mental health eval
done, the E.R. doc told us despite what all the advocates for relaxed laws
here in permissive Canada say, he's seen multiple cases of psychotic
delusional thinking in that E.R. from nothing more than the whacky tobacky.
It's real. We've seen it.

JF

In article <[email hidden]>,

Kurgan Gringioni said:

On Aug 5, 5:29 am, Crescentius Vespasianus <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Trying to link everything negative that happens to doping is
ridiculous.
Did you take "Reefer Madness" for an accurate documentary?
This was a scumbag publicity grab. As Howard suggested it has a lot
more in common with Fred Phelps than a decent human being.
Bill C

----------------
Funny you brought up reefer madness,
because I read a news story the other
day that the predictions of permanent
psychosis caused by regular smoking of
pot has now become reality. Of course
when they made reefer madness, it was a
cartoon, because the weed in those days
was more likely to give you headache
than get you high. But a half century
of bio-engineering by potheads has
created a weed that is so strong, that
regular use will cause a certain mental
breakdown.

Dumbass -

That is such an incredible load of crock.

In this country we are surrounded by potheads who function very well.
Personally, I don't like the stuff (puts me to sleep), but have plenty
of friends who are chronic. Don't see any signs of psychosis in any of
them.

Oh, I can buy what he said if you define "permanent psychosis" and "a certain
mental breakdown" as being really forgetful and not very considerate. Otherwise, no.

--
tanx,
Howard

Never take a tenant with a monkey.

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

"Jim Flom" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Anecdotal. The study said subjects are 200 times more likely to
experience a psychotic episode than non-smokers. Anecdotally, I've seen
it recently in a close family member first-hand. Scared the [censored] out of
us (and I was a daily user back in the day). While we there getting a
mental health eval done, the E.R. doc told us despite what all the
advocates for relaxed laws here in permissive Canada say, he's seen
multiple cases of psychotic delusional thinking in that E.R. from nothing
more than the whacky tobacky. It's real. We've seen it.

You actually are arguing with Henry, the inventor of the greeting,
"Dumbass!"?

He's been on drugs since '81.

"Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote in message
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"Jim Flom" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Anecdotal. The study said subjects are 200 times more likely to
experience a psychotic episode than non-smokers. Anecdotally, I've seen
it recently in a close family member first-hand. Scared the [censored] out of
us (and I was a daily user back in the day). While we there getting a
mental health eval done, the E.R. doc told us despite what all the
advocates for relaxed laws here in permissive Canada say, he's seen
multiple cases of psychotic delusional thinking in that E.R. from nothing
more than the whacky tobacky. It's real. We've seen it.

You actually are arguing with Henry, the inventor of the greeting,
"Dumbass!"?

Could be worse. I could be arguing with you.

Michael Press said:

Donald Munro said:

Crescentius Vespasianus said:

But a half century
of bio-engineering by potheads has
created a weed that is so strong, that
regular use will cause a certain mental
breakdown.

Quoted message said:

Potheads doing bio-engineering must be a haphazard process, a bit like
Shakespeare's monkeys or beavis and butthead do astrophysics.

I'm sure Benjamin is a perfectly adequate astrophysicist.

Sorry dude, what was that? I was looking at
my hand. Have you ever looked at your hand,
I mean _really_ looked at it?

Hey, got any Clif bars?

Ben

Jim Flom said:

Anecdotal. The study said subjects are 200 times more likely to experience
a psychotic episode than non-smokers. Anecdotally, I've seen it recently in
a close family member first-hand. Scared the [censored] out of us (and I was a
daily user back in the day). While we there getting a mental health eval
done, the E.R. doc told us despite what all the advocates for relaxed laws
here in permissive Canada say, he's seen multiple cases of psychotic
delusional thinking in that E.R. from nothing more than the whacky tobacky.
It's real. We've seen it.

It was spiked, perhaps with a dusting of PCP. If the dealer gets his
supply from bikers it's likely to happen time to time. Unadulterated pot
will not promote psychosis, but bikers looking to supply the strongest
stuff in the city are prone to adding a little extra to the buds.

You're in BC, right? The only sure solution is to grow it yourself.

Kyle Legate said:

It was spiked, perhaps with a dusting of PCP. If the dealer gets his
supply from bikers it's likely to happen time to time. Unadulterated pot
will not promote psychosis, but bikers looking to supply the strongest
stuff in the city are prone to adding a little extra to the buds.

Always interesting to see comments like this from Kyle despite the
medical literature to the contrary.

"Kyle Legate" <[email hidden]> wrote...

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

It was spiked, perhaps with a dusting of PCP. If the dealer gets his
supply from bikers it's likely to happen time to time. Unadulterated pot
will not promote psychosis, but bikers looking to supply the strongest
stuff in the city are prone to adding a little extra to the buds.

You're in BC, right? The only sure solution is to grow it yourself.

I'd be curious to see you substantiate the above, because I think you're
wrong. The user was smoking daily and throughout the day. But you've got a
point on the latter. The Vancouver Sun reported a year or two ago that the
likelihood of jail time for running a (marijuana) grow-op (eration) does not
tilt higher than 50% until the _seventh_ conviction, and even then it's only
about a 52% likelihood. Grow ops get busted all the time around here, but
you wonder what it is all accomplishing.

Jim Flom said:

Scared the [censored] out of us (and I was a daily user back in the day).

The sermons must have been disjointed.

"Donald Munro" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Jim Flom said:

Scared the [censored] out of us (and I was a daily user back in the day).

The sermons must have been disjointed.

I was more into the Carlos Castaneda at the time, and between the weed and
the peyote, they seemed simply fascinating. To me anyway.

"Donald Munro" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Jim Flom said:

Scared the [censored] out of us (and I was a daily user back in the day).

The sermons must have been dis_jointed_.

They really went to pot.

Jim Flom said:

"Kyle Legate" <[email hidden]> wrote...

Quoted message said:

It was spiked, perhaps with a dusting of PCP. If the dealer gets his
supply from bikers it's likely to happen time to time. Unadulterated pot
will not promote psychosis, but bikers looking to supply the strongest
stuff in the city are prone to adding a little extra to the buds.

You're in BC, right? The only sure solution is to grow it yourself.

I'd be curious to see you substantiate the above, because I think you're
wrong.

A quick google search turns up lots of information, including:

http://www.cesar.umd.edu/cesar/pubs/pcp.pdf

http://www.drugfree.org/Portal/drug_guide/PCP
Specifically, the "how is it used?" section

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/001945.htm
"Some cases of severe delirium, hallucinations, and violence have also
been reported. Such cases should raise suspicion that the marijuana may
have been laced with another agent, such as PCP."

And many, many others.

Anecdotally, when I was living in the land of plenty I obtained a sample
once which produced significant feelings of agitation and panic, and
that was through ingesting a single hit from a pipe. Rigorous testing
alongside an independent sample proved that these feelings were
reproducible, even months apart, and attributed to that single batch.
Knowing that the supplier obtained his product through contacts within
the Hell's Angels I concluded that this particular sample was
contaminated with another drug, most likely PCP since a small quantity
of powder could go unnoticed on the sweet, sweet buds.

"Kyle Legate" <[email hidden]> wrote...

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http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/001945.htm
"Some cases of severe delirium, hallucinations, and violence have also
been reported. Such cases should raise suspicion that the marijuana may
have been laced with another agent, such as PCP."

Actually, this citation, your excerpt included, plus the sentence above it:
"Unpleasant effects that may occur include depersonalization (inability to
distinguish oneself from others), changed body image, disorientation, and
acute panic reactions or severe paranoia."

supports my argument better than it does yours.