Re: Why Mike Vandeman REALLY hates bikers.

On Fri, 30 May 2008 04:54:57 GMT, [email hidden] (Doug Bashford)

Quoted message said:

On Thu, 29 May 2008, Mike Vandeman said about:
Re: Why Mike Vandeman REALLY hates bikers.

Quoted message said:

On Tue, 27 May 2008 (Doug Bashford) wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

It is important to recognize anger as a natural,
human response to death.

Many years ago Mike Vandeman's brother was killed
in San Fransisco in a bike accedent.

..........big snip

Quoted message said:

Too bad it's 100% lies.

Do you deny your brother was killed in a
bike accedent, Mike?

Yes. That is just one of your many LIES. That's how we know you are a
mountain biker.

Quoted message said:

How was your brother killed?
What did he die of?

Quoted message said:

But that's nothing new for mountain bikers, is
it?

Never been on a mountain bike. Could be I've been on
sci.env longer than you, however.

Quoted message said:

I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"😉. Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Oh really!? Since when is pissing into a keyboard
and shaking yer fist at people , the same as
"working on creating wildlife habitat?"

8 Years? Where's your product?

Focus, Mike. Stop drugging down your anger with
feelsgood production-killing placebos and other
things of the Dark Side. Choose Life for a change.
It smells pretty good out here.
--Doug

PURE Republicanism?? It's now clear.
Six years of PURE Republicanism - BOTH houses
AND the Prez. Pure as it gets.
So?
Are you better off now than seven years ago?
Are you proud with what they have done to
America and her reputation? ...To your reputation?
...all the sleaze, lies and bribery?
How about all the killing?
...Americans torture now? Proud?

If actions speak louder than rhetoric, then
name ONE good thing about Republicanism.
Just one.

Just one *real* thing.

Can't do it?
You have only feelsgood rhetoric?

So? Your Republicanism more like a bad habit then?

--
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"😉. Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

Doug, I can see your point in your posts for sure! Malignant
personality disorder is another way of describing a various group of
DSM dx. such as Peronality disorders, such as
Paranoid personality disorder
Borderline personality disorder
Antisocial personality disorder
Dependent personality disorder
Mental retardation

Any of which Mike has qualities but it would seem Borderline and
antisocial are strongly prevalent. Malignant simply implies they can
be damaging to other's psyche after awhile with there non-facts and
ways of life, such as mike proves daily. I now simply point out the
obvious to signal to several others. Don't take his material seriously
since it is not based on fact, rather the conflicts of his own mind.
and yeah...he's an [censored]

On May 30, 3:03 am, "[email hidden]" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Doug, I can see your point in your posts for sure! Malignant
personality disorder is another way of describing a various group of
DSM dx. such as Peronality disorders, such as
Paranoid personality disorder
Borderline personality disorder
Antisocial personality disorder
Dependent personality disorder
Mental retardation

Any of which Mike has qualities but it would seem Borderline and
antisocial are strongly prevalent. Malignant simply implies they can
be damaging to other's psyche after awhile with there non-facts and
ways of life, such as mike proves daily. I now simply point out the
obvious to signal to several others. Don't take his material seriously
since it is not based on fact, rather the conflicts of his own mind.
and yeah...he's an [censored]

This entire string of mt. bike vs. hiker is out of place and doesn't
belong in the Backcountry forum. It has nothing to do with the
backcountry, not even remotely. You guys should start a new forum
called "user conflict in the outdoors". I wish there were an
administrator to delete things you write before they are posted here,
or at least send them to another forum..

Enoch said:

On May 30, 3:03 am, "[email hidden]" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Doug, I can see your point in your posts for sure! Malignant
personality disorder is another way of describing a various group of
DSM dx. such as Peronality disorders, such as
Paranoid personality disorder
Borderline personality disorder
Antisocial personality disorder
Dependent personality disorder
Mental retardation

Quoted message said:

Any of which Mike has qualities but it would seem Borderline and
antisocial are strongly prevalent. Malignant simply implies they can
be damaging to other's psyche after awhile with there non-facts and
ways of life, such as mike proves daily. I now simply point out the
obvious to signal to several others. Don't take his material seriously
since it is not based on fact, rather the conflicts of his own mind.
and yeah...he's an [censored]

This entire string of mt. bike vs. hiker is out of place and doesn't
belong in the Backcountry forum.  It has nothing to do with the
backcountry, not even remotely.  You guys should start a new forum
called "user conflict in the outdoors".  I wish there were an
administrator to delete things you write before they are posted here,
or at least send them to another forum..- Hide quoted text -

You're obviously new here.

Google a bit. You'll find this [censored] has been x-posted widely for over
a decade. Learn to use your filters, or to ignore that which bothers
you.

Or, like the MTBers, go to www.spokejunkies.com, where Mike's
"oratory" has been effectively filtered.

E.P.

"Enoch" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:1c53c1cd-e692-4954-8bba->> Any of which Mike has qualities but it would
seem Borderline and

Quoted message said:

This entire string of mt. bike vs. hiker is out of place and doesn't
belong in the Backcountry forum. It has nothing to do with the
backcountry, not even remotely. You guys should start a new forum
called "user conflict in the outdoors". I wish there were an
administrator to delete things you write before they are posted here,
or at least send them to another forum..

It has nothing to do with Mountain Biking either, It's just Vandeman,
blowing off steam. He tried Mountain Biking once and could not do it, so
now he has a hard-on for all bikers regardless of where or what they ride.

in alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,
In <[email hidden]>
On Thu, 29 May 2008 22:53:41 -0700, Mike Vandeman said about:
Re: Why Mike Vandeman REALLY hates bikers.

Quoted message said:

On Fri, 30 May 2008 04:54:57 GMT, [email hidden] (Doug Bashford)

Quoted message said:

On Thu, 29 May 2008, Mike Vandeman said about:
Re: Why Mike Vandeman REALLY hates bikers.

Quoted message said:

On Tue, 27 May 2008 (Doug Bashford) wrote:

Quoted message said:

>It is important to recognize anger as a natural,
>human response to death.
>
> Many years ago Mike Vandeman's brother was killed
>in San Fransisco in a bike accedent.

..........big snip

Quoted message said:

Too bad it's 100% lies.

Do you deny your brother was killed in a
bike accedent, Mike?

Yes. That is just one of your many LIES. That's how we know you are a
mountain biker.

That's not what you told me in email in 1994.

Ring any bells?

Ä Area: Netmail
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Msg#: 36 Pvt Rec'd
From: [email hidden] Read: Yes
Replied: No
To: Doug Bashford Mark:

......snip
Sincerely,

Michael J. Vandeman, Ph.D.
[email hidden]
@Via Squish 1.10 1:102/851, UTC
@Via QM 1:102/742, (v1.31)
@Via Node 1:102/524, (QM v1.00)
@Via Squish 1:102/138.0, UTC
@Via MsgTrack 1:102/129, UTC

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

How was your brother killed?
What did he die of?

Either you were lying then, or now.
Would you like me to post yer letter?

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

But that's nothing new for mountain bikers, is
it?

Never been on a mountain bike. Could be I've been on
sci.env longer than you, however.

Quoted message said:

I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"😉. Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Oh really!? Since when is pissing into a keyboard
and shaking yer fist at people , the same as
"working on creating wildlife habitat?"

8 Years? Where's your product?

Well?

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Focus, Mike. Stop drugging down your anger with
feelsgood production-killing placebos and other
things of the Dark Side. Choose Life for a change.
It smells pretty good out here.
--Doug

PURE Republicanism?? It's now clear.
Six years of PURE Republicanism - BOTH houses
AND the Prez. Pure as it gets.
So?
Are you better off now than seven years ago?
Are you proud with what they have done to
America and her reputation? ...To your reputation?
....all the sleaze, lies and bribery?
How about all the killing?
....Americans torture now? Proud?

If actions speak louder than rhetoric, then
name ONE good thing about Republicanism.
Just one.

Just one *real* thing.

Can't do it?
You have only feelsgood rhetoric?

So? Your Republicanism more like a bad habit then?

Ed Pirrero said:

Enoch said:

On May 30, 3:03 am, "[email hidden]" <[email hidden]>
wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Doug, I can see your point in your posts for sure! Malignant
personality disorder is another way of describing a various group of
DSM dx. such as Peronality disorders, such as
Paranoid personality disorder
Borderline personality disorder
Antisocial personality disorder
Dependent personality disorder
Mental retardation

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Any of which Mike has qualities but it would seem Borderline and
antisocial are strongly prevalent. Malignant simply implies they can
be damaging to other's psyche after awhile with there non-facts and
ways of life, such as mike proves daily. I now simply point out the
obvious to signal to several others. Don't take his material seriously
since it is not based on fact, rather the conflicts of his own mind.
and yeah...he's an [censored]

Quoted message said:

This entire string of mt. bike vs. hiker is out of place and doesn't
belong in the Backcountry forum. It has nothing to do with the
backcountry, not even remotely. You guys should start a new forum
called "user conflict in the outdoors". I wish there were an
administrator to delete things you write before they are posted here,
or at least send them to another forum..- Hide quoted text -

You're obviously new here.

Google a bit. You'll find this [censored] has been x-posted widely for over
a decade. Learn to use your filters, or to ignore that which bothers
you.

Or, like the MTBers, go towww.spokejunkies.com, where Mike's
"oratory" has been effectively filtered.

E.P.

Yeah, I better figure out how to filter stuff quick, otherwise I won't
last here.

So mike sent a false truth email in 1994? I can't believe he would
ever lie!

Still waiting for your explanation of why you deliberately LIED:

"I found this picture of Mike Vanderman protesting a bike race...he is
trying to run down the biker...that crazy Mike!! He's always good for
a laugh.

bikehugger.comnugget thumb.jpg"Open ↗

You aren't going to live this down, until you admit your dishonesty.
--
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"😉. Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

On Fri, 30 May 2008 08:31:09 -0700 (PDT), Enoch <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

On May 30, 3:03 am, "[email hidden]" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Doug, I can see your point in your posts for sure! Malignant
personality disorder is another way of describing a various group of
DSM dx. such as Peronality disorders, such as
Paranoid personality disorder
Borderline personality disorder
Antisocial personality disorder
Dependent personality disorder
Mental retardation

Any of which Mike has qualities but it would seem Borderline and
antisocial are strongly prevalent. Malignant simply implies they can
be damaging to other's psyche after awhile with there non-facts and
ways of life, such as mike proves daily. I now simply point out the
obvious to signal to several others. Don't take his material seriously
since it is not based on fact, rather the conflicts of his own mind.
and yeah...he's an [censored]

This entire string of mt. bike vs. hiker is out of place and doesn't
belong in the Backcountry forum. It has nothing to do with the
backcountry, not even remotely.

Please explain. Where do you thing that mountain biking is happening?

You guys should start a new forum

Quoted message said:

called "user conflict in the outdoors". I wish there were an
administrator to delete things you write before they are posted here,
or at least send them to another forum..

--
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"😉. Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

DI said:

"Enoch" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:1c53c1cd-e692-4954-8bba->> Any of which Mike has qualities but it would
seem Borderline and

Quoted message said:

This entire string of mt. bike vs. hiker is out of place and doesn't
belong in the Backcountry forum. It has nothing to do with the
backcountry, not even remotely. You guys should start a new forum
called "user conflict in the outdoors". I wish there were an
administrator to delete things you write before they are posted here,
or at least send them to another forum..

It has nothing to do with Mountain Biking either, It's just Vandeman,
blowing off steam. He tried Mountain Biking once and could not do it, so
now he has a hard-on for all bikers regardless of where or what they ride.

If you want the truth, you sure won't hear it from any mountain biker!
--
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"😉. Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

On Fri, 30 May 2008 18:37:48 GMT, [email hidden] (Doug Bashford)

Quoted message said:

in alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,
In <[email hidden]>
On Thu, 29 May 2008 22:53:41 -0700, Mike Vandeman said about:
Re: Why Mike Vandeman REALLY hates bikers.

Quoted message said:

On Fri, 30 May 2008 04:54:57 GMT, [email hidden] (Doug Bashford)

Quoted message said:

On Thu, 29 May 2008, Mike Vandeman said about:
Re: Why Mike Vandeman REALLY hates bikers.

> On Tue, 27 May 2008 (Doug Bashford) wrote:

> >It is important to recognize anger as a natural,
> >human response to death.
> >
> > Many years ago Mike Vandeman's brother was killed
> >in San Fransisco in a bike accedent.

..........big snip

> Too bad it's 100% lies.

Do you deny your brother was killed in a
bike accedent, Mike?

Yes. That is just one of your many LIES. That's how we know you are a
mountain biker.

That's not what you told me in email in 1994.

So where's the beef???? Where's the alleged part about an alleged
brother dying? You fabricated it, just as you fabricated everything
else.

Quoted message said:

Ring any bells?

Ä Area: Netmail
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Msg#: 36 Pvt Rec'd
From: [email hidden] Read: Yes
Replied: No
To: Doug Bashford Mark:

.....snip
Sincerely,

Michael J. Vandeman, Ph.D.
[email hidden]
@Via Squish 1.10 1:102/851, UTC
@Via QM 1:102/742, (v1.31)
@Via Node 1:102/524, (QM v1.00)
@Via Squish 1:102/138.0, UTC
@Via MsgTrack 1:102/129, UTC

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

How was your brother killed?
What did he die of?

Either you were lying then, or now.
Would you like me to post yer letter?

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> But that's nothing new for mountain bikers, is
> it?

Never been on a mountain bike. Could be I've been on
sci.env longer than you, however.

> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
> humans ("pure habitat"😉. Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Oh really!? Since when is pissing into a keyboard
and shaking yer fist at people , the same as
"working on creating wildlife habitat?"

8 Years? Where's your product?

Well?

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Focus, Mike. Stop drugging down your anger with
feelsgood production-killing placebos and other
things of the Dark Side. Choose Life for a change.
It smells pretty good out here.
--Doug

PURE Republicanism?? It's now clear.
Six years of PURE Republicanism - BOTH houses
AND the Prez. Pure as it gets.
So?
Are you better off now than seven years ago?
Are you proud with what they have done to
America and her reputation? ...To your reputation?
...all the sleaze, lies and bribery?
How about all the killing?
...Americans torture now? Proud?

If actions speak louder than rhetoric, then
name ONE good thing about Republicanism.
Just one.

Just one *real* thing.

Can't do it?
You have only feelsgood rhetoric?

So? Your Republicanism more like a bad habit then?

--
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"😉. Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

Doug, Enoch, Di, Ed and anyone else reading this...
As you have all experienced so far. The repeated denials of his
misinformation, emails that were sent priorly, prior posts, etc that
Mike continues to exhibit continue to show the avoidance of his
illness. He can't stop lying and he believes himself after a certain
point. It is quite sad.

On May 31, 9:52 am, "[email hidden]" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Doug, Enoch, Di, Ed and anyone else reading this...
As you have all experienced so far. The repeated denials of his
misinformation, emails that were sent priorly, prior posts, etc that
Mike continues to exhibit continue to show the avoidance of his
illness. He can't stop lying and he believes himself after a certain
point. It is quite sad.

Poor, sick [censored].

No wonder his wife made him get a vasectomy, she was probably repulsed
at the idea of a Mike Jr.
running around. She probably thought one nut in the house was enough.

email hidden said:

Doug, Enoch, Di, Ed and anyone else reading this...
As you have all experienced so far. The repeated denials of his
misinformation, emails that were sent priorly, prior posts, etc that
Mike continues to exhibit continue to show the avoidance of his
illness. He can't stop lying and he believes himself after a certain
point. It is quite sad.

I can't stop, because I never STARTED. You, on the other hand, never
do anything but LIE.

Still waiting for your explanation of why you deliberately LIED:

"I found this picture of Mike Vanderman protesting a bike race...he is
trying to run down the biker...that crazy Mike!! He's always good for
a laugh.

bikehugger.comnugget thumb.jpg"Open ↗

You aren't going to live this down, until you admit your dishonesty.
--
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"😉. Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

Mike Vandeman said:

On Sat, 31 May 2008 06:52:08 -0700 (PDT), "[email hidden]"

Quoted message said:

Doug, Enoch, Di, Ed and anyone else reading this...
As you have all experienced so far. The repeated denials of his
misinformation, emails that were sent priorly, prior posts, etc that
Mike continues to exhibit continue to show the avoidance of his
illness. He can't stop lying and he believes himself after a certain
point. It is quite sad.

I can't stop, because I never STARTED.

Heh. Yet another "made up fact".

You prove his point with every post.

E.P.

On May 31, 6:52 am, "[email hidden]" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Doug, Enoch, Di, Ed and anyone else reading this...
As you have all experienced so far. The repeated denials of his
misinformation, emails that were sent priorly, prior posts, etc that
Mike continues to exhibit continue to show the avoidance of his
illness. He can't stop lying and he believes himself after a certain
point. It is quite sad.

I've been reading his drivel for years. It's entertaining in a sick
way.

What cracks me up is that during the time he's been endlessly
transferring electrons, access to wild areas has increased for
MTBers. Including areas of national parks.

I laugh at him.

E.P.

On 29 May 2008 22:53:41 -0700, Mike Vandeman said about:
Re: Why Mike Vandeman REALLY hates bikers.

Quoted message said:

30 May 2008 (Doug Bashford) said:

On Thu, 29 May 2008, Mike Vandeman said

Quoted message said:

On Tue, 27 May 2008 (Doug Bashford) wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>It is important to recognize anger as a natural,
>human response to death.
>
> Many years ago Mike Vandeman's brother was killed
>in San Fransisco in a bike accedent.

..........big snip

Quoted message said:

Too bad it's 100% lies.

Do you deny your brother was killed in a
bike accedent, Mike?

Yes. That is just one of your many LIES. That's how we
know you are a mountain biker.

Since we've both been posting on sci.environment
since the early '90s, thousands of posts each,
and you don't recognize me, that pretty much proves
you are not an environmentalist, doesn't it?
You simply don't read sci.environment. You
simply use it a cover for your anti-bike screes.

"Mike Vandeman, environmentalist! "
....obviously part of your delusional self image.
And above is part of the proof. You know
NOTHING about what's going on in sci.environment.
And your posts prove that, too.

I'd not have much problem with that, except you
project environmentalism as a warped vindictive
movement. To the quick traveler, you confirm in
alt.mountain-bike, rec.bicycles.soc, rec.backcountry,
ca.environment, and sci.environment everything
Rush Limbaugh ever said about environmentalists,
including "long haired maggot infested environmental
whacko," and so much more.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

How was your brother killed?
What did he die of?

You "forgot" to answer Mike.
And I don't believe in coincidence.

Will you deny here that you ever had a brother?
Or "forget" again?

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

But that's nothing new for mountain bikers, is
it?

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Never been on a mountain bike. Could be I've been on
sci.env longer than you, however.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"😉. Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Oh really!? Since when is pissing into a keyboard
and shaking yer fist at people , the same as
"working on creating wildlife habitat?"

8 Years? Where's your product?

Where is it Mike? I saw no evidence of it
on yer website. Prove you are not a
self-serving fraud.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Focus, Mike. Stop drugging down your anger with
feelsgood production-killing placebos and other
things of the Dark Side. Choose Life for a change.
It smells pretty good out here.
--Doug

PURE Republicanism?? It's now clear.
Six years of PURE Republicanism - BOTH houses
AND the Prez. Pure as it gets.
So?
Are you better off now than seven years ago?
Are you proud with what they have done to
America and her reputation? ...To your reputation?
....all the sleaze, lies and bribery?
How about all the killing?
....Americans torture now? Proud?

If actions speak louder than rhetoric, then
name ONE good thing about Republicanism.
Just one.

Just one *real* thing.

Can't do it?
You have only feelsgood rhetoric?

So? Your Republicanism more like a bad habit then?

Ed Pirrero said:

On May 31, 6:52 am, "[email hidden]" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Doug, Enoch, Di, Ed and anyone else reading this...
As you have all experienced so far. The repeated denials of his
misinformation, emails that were sent priorly, prior posts, etc that
Mike continues to exhibit continue to show the avoidance of his
illness. He can't stop lying and he believes himself after a certain
point. It is quite sad.

I've been reading his drivel for years. It's entertaining in a sick
way.

What cracks me up is that during the time he's been endlessly
transferring electrons, access to wild areas has increased for
MTBers. Including areas of national parks.

Fire roads only. Not real mountain biking.

Quoted message said:

E.P.

--
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"😉. Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande