Re: = Why The WTC Complex Was Demolished =

Michael R. Kesti said:

One might think that somebody would notice, over the course of those
weeks, that the building in which they work was being so rigged.

Logic isn't one of Hank's strong points....I mean actual logic, not
"hank logic" which bounces around under his tinfoil hat and spews out
of his fingers then to a keyboard...

His story needs aliens, a racist, maybe a few Jews, KKK members, some
sort of offshore bank, a third gunman, and finally- [censored] to be a
complete crackpot story.

Does this guy spend all day trying to ham-fist the keyboard or does he
take a few minutes to head down to the soup kitchen?

Kirb

Michael R. Kesti said:

Hank said:

http://onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/printer_611.shtml

Commentary
Why Larry Silverstein can’t get it up
By Jerry Mazza
Online Journal Contributing Writer

Mar 21, 2006, 01:10

<snip>

Quoted message said:

The trouble is you don’t just “pull it.” It takes weeks to rig a
building with charges and heavy explosives at all the vital structural
points.

One might think that somebody would notice, over the course of those
weeks, that the building in which they work was being so rigged.

Not if it were done by invisible black government squirrels.

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Not if it were done by invisible black government squirrels.

I thought they used homing pigeons these days?

Michael R. Kesti said:

Hank wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

http://onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/printer_611.shtml

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Commentary
Why Larry Silverstein can’t get it up
By Jerry Mazza
Online Journal Contributing Writer

Mar 21, 2006, 01:10

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

The trouble is you don’t just “pull it.” It takes weeks to rig a
building with charges and heavy explosives at all the vital structural
points.

Quoted message said:

One might think that somebody would notice, over the course of those
weeks, that the building in which they work was being so rigged.

One would think that those who rigged the buidlings
would make an effort to conceal the activites. And
with bu$h's little brother Marivn heading up security
at the WTC complex, they could have had help.

--

http://www.st911.org

"The new America, born in sin and arrogance, delusional
in Manifest Destiny, bred in overabundant gluttony,
consumerist and materialist, fathered by George W. Bush,
[censored] Cheney and the Cabal of Criminality, a country flocked
by sheeple, ignorant and conditioned, indifferent to a world
growing up around it, living delusions of empire and of
omnipotence, building hatred against it and its policies
throughout the planet, slowly dumbing down its citizens,
losing its edge in the sciences and arts, producing a nation
of acquiescent automatons brainwashed to never question
authority and always faithfully follow the crimes of governance."
- Manuel Valenzuela

"You're doin' a heckuva job, Brownie!" - bu$h, a few days
before his FEMA chief, Micheal Brown was forced to resign
because of his gross incomptence.

"The tools that enable Cuba to save lives and preserve
human dignity during hurricanes are socialist values
and organization." - Dr. W.T. Whitney Jr

Ever wonder who benefits from the 200 MILLION
U.S. taxpayer dollars spent EACH DAY in Iraq?
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0223-08.htm
http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?list=type&type=21

"They are waging a campaign of murder and destruction. And
there is no limit to the innocent lives they are willing to
take... men with blind hatred and armed with lethal weapons
who are capable of any atrocity... they respect no laws of
warfare or morality."
-bu$h describing his own war crimes in Iraq.
http://www.robert-fisk.com/iraqwarvictims_mar2003.htm

"Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things
that matter." -- Martin Luther King Jr.

"God told me to strike at al Qaeda and I struck them. And then
he instructed me to strike at Saddam, which I did."
-- George W. Bush

"Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the
will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the
Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord."
-- Adolf [censored]

"Brutal and sadistic? By what girly-man standards? Compared
to how Saddam treated his prisoners, a bit of humiliation was
a walk in the park. AFAIK, No one died or even lost any blood."
-Albert Nurick, a usenet kook, on the rape, torture and murder
at bu$h's Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq.
(http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0512-10.htm)

George W. Bush: "Intelligence gathered by this and other
governments leaves no doubt that the Iraq regime continues
to possess and conceal some of the most lethal weapons ever
devised." March 17, 2003.

http://www.commondreams.org/
http://www.truthout.org/
http://counterpunch.org/
http://thirdworldtraveler.com
http://responsiblewealth.org/
http://globalresearch.ca/
http://www.wsws.org/

"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President,
or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is
not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable
to the American public."
-- Theodore Roosevelt (1918)

"You know, when bu$h said that he's against nation building,
I didn't realize that he meant only the United States"
-- Al Franken

Don't let bu$h do to the United States what his very close
friend and top campaign contributor, Ken Lay, did to Enron...

kirb said:

Logic isn't one of Hank's strong points....
tinfoil hat
His story needs aliens, a racist, maybe a few Jews,
KKK members, some sort of offshore bank, a third gunman,
and finally- [censored] to be a complete crackpot story

Your cowering from the facts, although easily predicted,
is still rather amusing. Let's deal at the collaspe of
WTC7 instead of your aliens and tinfoil hats.

http://911research.wtc7.net/talks/wtc/videos.html

Sheen had your ilk in mind when he correctly pointed out
that those who resort to childish nonsesne rather
than deal with the facts, only strengthen his case.
Thanks.
You 18%ers are absolutely terrified of the truth, and
it shows in every one of your childish rants. <chuckle>

So, you really believe that a few small random fires caused
every steel support column in WTC7 to shatter and fail completely
at exactly the same instant? Have you ever heated any steel? It
will slowly bend if it gets hot enough - it won't instantly shatter
into pieces.
WTC7 collapsed straight down in perfect symmetry at near free fall
speed even though the vast majority of the steel frame was undamaged,
and wasn't exposed to any fire. The owner of the building even
acknowledged that he had it "pulled", which is a term for demolished - although he later claimed that he didn't mean what he said.
Doesn't the fact that even steel framed building that have been
subjected to far hotter and longer fires have never collapsed
(even slowly) prior to or since 9-11 mean anything to you? It's
like watching a bike fall off its side stand and seeing the
entire machine, frame included, turn into a pile of broken
metal and plastic instead of just bending a handlebar. How do
you explain it logically?
The fire theory also forces believers to ignore the pools of
molten metal found in the rubble of WTC7. If a theory forces
you to ignore or deny key facts and evidence, isn't time to
consider a more plausible theory - one that easily fits =all=
the evidence...

Look at the height of WTC7:

http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/9-11%20Picture1.jpg

Then look at how it collapsed:

http://911research.wtc7.net/talks/wtc/videos.html

Small random fires can't possibly make a steel framed building
do that. Not even a raging inferno can cause a steel building to
do anything even remotely close to that. Only a very well executed controlled demolition can cause the total, instant, and symmetric
failure of =all= steel support columns that took place in WTC7.
I just can't believe that isn't obvious to anyone who gives it a
close look.
We're talking about a very solidly braced and virtually undamaged
steel frame. Look at the still photos at 1 second intervals. That
building stays =perfectly= straight all the way down. It's very
clearly a picture perfect controlled demolition.

http://911research.wtc7.net/talks/wtc/videos.html

Here's what happens to steel framed buildings exposed
to raging infernos for hours on end.

http://davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr69c.html

-

..p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com said:

invisible black government squirrels.

Your cowering from the facts, although easily predicted,
is still rather amusing. Let's deal at the collaspe of
WTC7 instead of your invisble squirrels.

http://911research.wtc7.net/talks/wtc/videos.html

Sheen had your ilk in mind when he correctly pointed out
that those who resort to childish nonsesne rather
than deal with the facts, only strengthen his case.
Thanks.
You 18%ers are absolutely terrified of the truth, and
it shows in every one of your childish rants. <chuckle>

So, you really believe that a few small random fires caused
every steel support column in WTC7 to shatter and fail completely
at exactly the same instant? Have you ever heated any steel? It
will slowly bend if it gets hot enough - it won't instantly shatter
into pieces.
WTC7 collapsed straight down in perfect symmetry at near free fall
speed even though the vast majority of the steel frame was undamaged,
and wasn't exposed to any fire. The owner of the building even
acknowledged that he had it "pulled", which is a term for demolished - although he later claimed that he didn't mean what he said.
Doesn't the fact that even steel framed building that have been
subjected to far hotter and longer fires have never collapsed
(even slowly) prior to or since 9-11 mean anything to you? It's
like watching a bike fall off its side stand and seeing the
entire machine, frame included, turn into a pile of broken
metal and plastic instead of just bending a handlebar. How do
you explain it logically?
The fire theory also forces believers to ignore the pools of
molten metal found in the rubble of WTC7. If a theory forces
you to ignore or deny key facts and evidence, isn't time to
consider a more plausible theory - one that easily fits =all=
the evidence...

Look at the height of WTC7:

http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/9-11%20Picture1.jpg

Then look at how it collapsed:

http://911research.wtc7.net/talks/wtc/videos.html

Small random fires can't possibly make a steel framed building
do that. Not even a raging inferno can cause a steel building to
do anything even remotely close to that. Only a very well executed controlled demolition can cause the total, instant, and symmetric
failure of =all= steel support columns that took place in WTC7.
I just can't believe that isn't obvious to anyone who gives it a
close look.
We're talking about a very solidly braced and virtually undamaged
steel frame. Look at the still photos at 1 second intervals. That
building stays =perfectly= straight all the way down. It's very
clearly a picture perfect controlled demolition.

http://911research.wtc7.net/talks/wtc/videos.html

Here's what happens to steel framed buildings exposed
to raging infernos for hours on end.

http://davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr69c.html

--
http://www.st911.org

"The new America, born in sin and arrogance, delusional
in Manifest Destiny, bred in overabundant gluttony,
consumerist and materialist, fathered by George W. Bush,
[censored] Cheney and the Cabal of Criminality, a country flocked
by sheeple, ignorant and conditioned, indifferent to a world
growing up around it, living delusions of empire and of
omnipotence, building hatred against it and its policies
throughout the planet, slowly dumbing down its citizens,
losing its edge in the sciences and arts, producing a nation
of acquiescent automatons brainwashed to never question
authority and always faithfully follow the crimes of governance."
- Manuel Valenzuela

"You're doin' a heckuva job, Brownie!" - bu$h, a few days
before his FEMA chief, Micheal Brown was forced to resign
because of his gross incomptence.

"The tools that enable Cuba to save lives and preserve
human dignity during hurricanes are socialist values
and organization." - Dr. W.T. Whitney Jr

Ever wonder who benefits from the 200 MILLION
U.S. taxpayer dollars spent EACH DAY in Iraq?
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0223-08.htm
http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?list=type&type=21

"They are waging a campaign of murder and destruction. And
there is no limit to the innocent lives they are willing to
take... men with blind hatred and armed with lethal weapons
who are capable of any atrocity... they respect no laws of
warfare or morality."
-bu$h describing his own war crimes in Iraq.
http://www.robert-fisk.com/iraqwarvictims_mar2003.htm

"Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things
that matter." -- Martin Luther King Jr.

"God told me to strike at al Qaeda and I struck them. And then
he instructed me to strike at Saddam, which I did."
-- George W. Bush

"Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the
will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the
Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord."
-- Adolf [censored]

"Brutal and sadistic? By what girly-man standards? Compared
to how Saddam treated his prisoners, a bit of humiliation was
a walk in the park. AFAIK, No one died or even lost any blood."
-Albert Nurick, a usenet kook, on the rape, torture and murder
at bu$h's Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq.
(http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0512-10.htm)

George W. Bush: "Intelligence gathered by this and other
governments leaves no doubt that the Iraq regime continues
to possess and conceal some of the most lethal weapons ever
devised." March 17, 2003.

http://www.commondreams.org/
http://www.truthout.org/
http://counterpunch.org/
http://thirdworldtraveler.com
http://responsiblewealth.org/
http://globalresearch.ca/
http://www.wsws.org/

"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President,
or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is
not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable
to the American public."
-- Theodore Roosevelt (1918)

"You know, when bu$h said that he's against nation building,
I didn't realize that he meant only the United States"
-- Al Franken

Don't let bu$h do to the United States what his very close
friend and top campaign contributor, Ken Lay, did to Enron...

Hank said:

kirb said:

Logic isn't one of Hank's strong points....
tinfoil hat
His story needs aliens, a racist, maybe a few Jews,
KKK members, some sort of offshore bank, a third gunman,
and finally- [censored] to be a complete crackpot story

Your cowering from the facts, although easily predicted,
is still rather amusing. Let's deal at the collaspe of
WTC7 instead of your aliens and tinfoil hats.

http://911research.wtc7.net/talks/wtc/videos.html

....bunch of [censored] deleted....

OK, before you go and [censored] a bunch of links, just lay out what you
thinked happened and why. Here is what I have-

The government planted explosives in the twin towers at some point
before the highjackers took planes- why?
People highjacked planes- why do think this was, hank?
These people flew them into buildings- ordered by who?
The government blew up these explosives to cause the buildings to fall
after the planes hit- why do you think they did that, hank? The planes
hitting the buildings wasn't enough of an attack?
The falling buildings killed a bunch of people.
We attacked Afganistan
We attacked Iraq.

Why do you think the man went through all that trouble? Lay out what
YOU think, Hank. this should be good. don't clutter your answer with
[censored], just lay it out.

Kirb

kirb said:

Hank wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Your cowering from the facts, although easily predicted,
is still rather amusing. Let's deal at the collaspe of
WTC7 instead of your aliens and tinfoil hats.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

http://911research.wtc7.net/talks/wtc/videos.html

Quoted message said:

...bunch of [censored] deleted....

Why do you say it was [censored]? Are you disputing anything
in particular? If so, please bring it up for discussion
so we can deal with facts rather than emotions.

Quoted message said:

OK, before you go and [censored] a bunch of links,

Solid, qualified references are an essential part of
a good argument.

Quoted message said:

just lay out what you thinked happened and why. Here is
what I have-

Quoted message said:

The government planted explosives in the twin towers at
some point before the highjackers took planes- why?

I posted a link with some answers to that when I started
this thread. Hence the subject line.

Quoted message said:

People highjacked planes- why do think this was, hank?

First we need to know who it was, and since at least 8
of the people bu$h claimed were hijackers are still alive,
that's hard to know. But it's clear that the CIA was tracking
and protecting some of the alleged hijackers from arrest while
they trained in U.S. flight schools.
It's also clear that the alleged hijackers received cooperation
at the highest level of the the U.S. government. My best guess
is that it was a combination of Arabs seeking revenge for U.S.
government sponsored terrorism and oppression against them, and
CIA double agents recruiting Arabs to be used as scapegoats.
There is no doubt that the hijackers had assistance from the
bu$h regime. The evidence for that is overwhelming

Quoted message said:

These people flew them into buildings- ordered by who?

They were apparently working with people from the CIA
and Pakistan's ISI. Whether the alleged hijackers came up
with the idea, or agents from the CIA and ISI coached
them along is hard to know.

Quoted message said:

The government blew up these explosives to cause the
buildings to fall after the planes hit- why do you think
they did that, hank? The planes hitting the buildings
wasn't enough of an attack?

Money. The cost of taking down the towers piece by piece
was prohibitive, and leaving them standing proud as a sign
of bu$h's failure to stop the attacks wouldn't look good
either.

Quoted message said:

The falling buildings killed a bunch of people.
We attacked Afganistan
We attacked Iraq.

And of course, as all but the most uninformed people
now know very well, the plan to invade Afghanistan and
Iraq was made long before 9-11.

Quoted message said:

Why do you think the man went through all that trouble?

What man and what trouble?

Quoted message said:

Lay out what YOU think, Hank. this should be good. don't
clutter your answer with [censored], just lay it out.

The bu$h regime said it needed a "New Pearl Harbor"
to get the public behind its agenda. Part of that agenda
is getting control over the world's rapidly depleting
remaining oil reserves in the Middle East. There is no greater
strategic prize on this planet than Middle East oil, and the
bu$h regime is composed of people in the oil and
weapons business. As you must know, the war profiteering
has been nothing short of mind boggling. This is the
best scam to get hundreds of =billions= of dollars from
the pockets of U.S. taxpayers to the off shore accounts of
fraudulent corporate parasites since Reagan's S&L scam.
The attacks of 9-11, which the facts prove was facilitated
by the bu$h regime, were the New Pearl Harbor. bu$h
uses those attacks to this day to justify damn near
every controversial or failed policy he pushes.
Does it mean anything at all to you that the bu$h regime
and it's corporate sponsors are the only group of people on
the planet who have benefited from the 9-11 attacks?

Please read this list of "coincidences". It's quite
revealing and informative.

http://100777.com/node/963

--

http://www.st911.org

Ever wonder who benefits from the 150 MILLION
U.S. taxpayer dollars spent each DAY in Iraq?
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0223-08.htm
http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?list=type&type=21

"They are waging a campaign of murder and destruction. And
there is no limit to the innocent lives they are willing to
take... men with blind hatred and armed with lethal weapons
who are capable of any atrocity... they respect no laws of
warfare or morality."
-bu$h describing his own illegal invasion of Iraq.
http://www.robert-fisk.com/iraqwarvictims_mar2003.htm

"Hank" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

kirb said:

Logic isn't one of Hank's strong points....
tinfoil hat
His story needs aliens, a racist, maybe a few Jews,
KKK members, some sort of offshore bank, a third gunman,
and finally- [censored] to be a complete crackpot story

Your cowering from the facts, although easily predicted,
is still rather amusing. Let's deal at the collaspe of
WTC7 instead of your aliens and tinfoil hats.

And your ability to write anything original is zero and dropping.

--
Beav
OMF#19
VN 750
Zed Thou

mail is beavis dot original at ntlworld dot com (with the obvious changes)

Oh beav, I love you sweety...

Beav said:

And your ability to write anything original is zero
and dropping.

Your inability to address the facts, although easily
predicted, is still rather amusing. Let's deal with
the collapse of WTC7 instead of your [censored] and
whining.

Look at the height of WTC7:

http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/9-11%20Picture1.jpg

Then look at how it collapsed:

http://911research.wtc7.net/talks/wtc/videos.html

Small random fires can't possibly make a steel framed building
do that. Not even a raging inferno can cause a steel building to
do anything even remotely close to that. Only a very well executed
controlled demolition can cause the total, instant, and symmetric
failure of =all= steel support columns that took place in WTC7.
That much is obvious to anyone who gives it a close look.
We're talking about a very solidly braced and virtually undamaged
steel frame. Look at the still photos at 1 second intervals. That
building stays =perfectly= straight all the way down. It's very
clearly a picture perfect controlled demolition.

http://911research.wtc7.net/talks/wtc/videos.html

Here's what happens to steel framed buildings exposed
to raging infernos for hours on end.

http://davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr69c.html

-

http://www.st911.org

"You're doin' a heckuva job, Brownie!" - bu$h, a few days
before his FEMA chief, Micheal Brown was forced to resign
because of his gross incompetence.

"The tools that enable Cuba to save lives and preserve
human dignity during hurricanes are socialist values
and organization." - Dr. W.T. Whitney Jr

Ever wonder who benefits from the 150 MILLION
U.S. taxpayer dollars spent each DAY in Iraq?
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0223-08.htm
http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?list=type&type=21

"They are waging a campaign of murder and destruction. And
there is no limit to the innocent lives they are willing to
take... men with blind hatred and armed with lethal weapons
who are capable of any atrocity... they respect no laws of
warfare or morality."
-bu$h describing his own illegal invasion of Iraq.
http://www.robert-fisk.com/iraqwarvictims_mar2003.htm

http://www.commondreams.org/
http://www.truthout.org/
http://www.prohibitioncosts.org/
http://thirdworldtraveler.com/
http://counterpunch.org/
http://responsiblewealth.org/

"Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things
that matter." -- Martin Luther King Jr.

"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President,
or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is
not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable
to the American public."
-- Theodore Roosevelt (1918)

Don't let bu$h do to the United States what his very close
friend and top campaign contributor, Ken Lay, did to Enron...