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Re: WITH THE RAINS, COMES MALARIA

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  1. The logical non-sequitur mess has not improved from the first time such
    was posted. Now, by exertion of free will, going back to the topic of
    malaria in the US, ... What has science learned about the disease that
    makes a vaccine difficult to develope, but perhaps one that is soon to be
    overcome? Two chances now for extra points, when added to the question
    about the history of it's introduction into the americas. Ah, shucks, I'm
    feeling generous, tis the season you know, for even more points; what
    disease is an genetic adaption to malaria and where did this adaption
    happen and why?

    Quoted message said:

    The ideology of free will brings up bigger issues then merely being
    pro or anti science. Politically, in the United States, the
    pro-science people are the ultra-liberal academics. Whereas the
    conservative and religious groups and the Republican political party
    are viewed as being anti-science by the pro-science people. Or, in
    other words, the majority of the population and institutions, like the
    judicial system, in the United States can be accused of being
    anti-science. The ultra-liberal academics as a group are often accused
    of promoting revisionist history and a secular agenda. They always
    present a revisionist history of medicine, for example. Every good
    development is seen as a direct result of medicine. While all bad
    things are presented as quackery and the work of alternative medicine.
    Thus, being pro-science can be likewise be viewed as being
    pro-revisionist history and pro-secularism.

    So, the ideology of free will says that the real choice is between the
    worldview of the hard deterministic scientists and the classical
    Western worldview. Hard deterministic scientists believe that
    individuals should blame everything on their biology, molecules,
    genetics, and their use of prescription medication. The patriarchal
    medical system presents physicians as father figures who always look
    after the best interests of their child like patients. Which is in
    direct opposition to patient empowerment which views patients as being
    autonomous adults making consumer decisions about economic goods and
    services. These natural health advocates claim that there is more to
    being a person than mere chemistry.

    While these pro-science hard determinists have suggested that your
    health is merely a choice between scientific biomedicine and
    anti-science alternative medicine; there are actually bigger issues
    involved. The pro-science ultra-liberal academics want weak, passive
    child like patients who are merely the passive recipients of whatever
    health care the patriarchal doctors think is best. While those in
    favor of free will want strong, dominant, responsible patients who act
    like adults by being actively involved in their own health and who are
    in control of their own health care decisions. The pro-science
    ultra-liberal academics want doctors to be in a position to take
    advantage of their patients. While those in favor of free will want
    the patient to be always in control. The free will classical Western
    worldview demands that individuals take personal responsibly for the
    health choices that they make. It always demands choices and patient
    empowerment.

    Bye ultra-liberal academic, pro-sciece, secular history revisionist
    Bull-[censored] artist.
    --
    john gohde
    http://tutorials.naturalhealthperspective.com/

  2. Quoted message said:

    going back to the topic of
    malaria in the US, ... What has science learned about the disease that
    makes a vaccine difficult to develope, but perhaps one that is soon to be
    overcome?

    My web site has been updated with my revision on Free Will. 🙂

    Regarding, malaria a MD discovers what caused it and medicine
    magically gets all the credit for eradicating it in the US.

    Ha, ... Hah, Ha! Tell me another tall tale.

    Malaria was primarily eradicated in the US because of greedy people
    developing land around cities and populated urban areas because people
    basically don't like living in swamps. Malaria was eradicated in the
    US, when misquotes were eradicated.

    The rain forest is an ultra-liberal academic catch phrase for swamp!

    Just thought that you might want to know.

    Bye ultra-liberal academic, pro-sciece, secular history revisionist
    Bull-[censored] artist.

    Now, tell us the tale of woe about how medicine has miserably failed
    with tuberculous. Medicine is still failing miserably with malaria in
    most of the world. Just thought that you might want to know.
    --
    john gohde
    http://tutorials.naturalhealthperspective.com/

  3. "Regarding, malaria a MD discovers what caused it and medicinemagically
    gets all the credit for eradicating it in the US."

    No:

    "In 1880, the first true sighting of the malaria parasite was made in
    Algeria by a French Army physician, Charles-Louis-Alphonse Laveran,
    while viewing blood slides under a microscope. Laveran's discovery was
    rejected by the medical community and it was not until 1886 that his
    discovery was accepted by Italian scientists, the leaders in the field
    at the time."

    For your extra point question of the day, for what disease was malaria
    given to a person on purpose and why?

  4. Quoted message said:

    For your extra point question of the day, for what disease was malaria
    given to a person on purpose and why?

    Ha, ... Hah, Ha!

    syphilis

    Malaria was believed to kill syphilis thermally by raising the body
    temperature, I guess with a fever.

    What was so difficult about that question? The answer was in the 2nd
    or 3rd web page I read on malaria this morning.
    --
    john gohde
    http://gnu-dictionary.naturalhealthperspective.com/

  5. [email hidden] (N-H-P) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    For your extra point question of the day, for what disease was malaria
    given to a person on purpose and why?

    Ha, ... Hah, Ha!

    syphilis

    Malaria was believed to kill syphilis thermally by raising the body
    temperature, I guess with a fever.

    What was so difficult about that question? The answer was in the 2nd
    or 3rd web page I read on malaria this morning.

    Here, it is:

    http://archive.idrc.ca/books/reports/1996/01-05e.html
    "In 1927, J. Wagner von Jauregg was awarded the Nobel Prize in
    Medicine for his work in treating syphilis using malaria. Patients
    were inoculated with a type of malaria to produce fevers that would
    literally burn up the temperature-sensitive syphilis bacteria. After
    three or four cycles of the fever, the patient was administered
    quinine for a relatively rapid parasitological cure for the malaria."

    Gee, I wonder if this treatment method qualifies as Heroic Medicine
    being practiced in 1927? Thanks for highlighting this quackery.

    Your problem is that you think everybody is stupid or something. 🙁
    --
    john gohde
    http://gnu-dictionary.naturalhealthperspective.com/

  6. "N-H-P" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    For your extra point question of the day, for what disease was malaria
    given to a person on purpose and why?

    Ha, ... Hah, Ha!

    syphilis

    Malaria was believed to kill syphilis thermally by raising the body
    temperature, I guess with a fever.

    What was so difficult about that question? The answer was in the 2nd
    or 3rd web page I read on malaria this morning.
    --
    john gohde
    http://gnu-dictionary.naturalhealthperspective.com/

    A high fever would have suppressed syphilis though I doubt
    it would fully cure it but perhaps it might.
    The very early blood transfusions were
    used to cure madness. If it was caused by syphilis not an
    uncommon thing in the 1600's, the high fever caused by
    the mismatched blood would either kill the patient with
    multi-organ failure, ruined kidneys, etc. OR it would
    "cure" the madness. The syphilis of the brain would
    be reduced or even cured so the story goes as I've
    heard it told. Of course, it was banned for centuries
    as the cure mainly killed.

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