Re: Would someone stuff something in this gaping hole.

On Jul 23, 9:13 pm, "Steven L. Sheffield" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Fromhttp://velonews.com/tour2007/news/articles/12851.0.html

"A former amateur mountain-bike racer alleged Thursday that Tour de France
yellow-jersey holder Michael Rasmussen (Rabobank) attempted to trick him
into carrying illegal doping products to Europe in 2002.

Whitney Richards, 31, a one-time Colorado-based cross-country racer, told
VeloNews that in March of 2002, Rasmussen asked him to transport a box
containing cycling shoes. But the shoebox, according to Richards, actually
contained bags of an American-made human blood substitute. None of the
information Richards provided VeloNews involves allegations of current
doping."

So ... knowing that there would have to be some lead time for Walsh's book;
AND that there's no way they could have known that Rasmussen would be
leading the Tour at this point, I'm thinking that the story is true ... At
the very least, Whitney Richard has been telling it long enough to give it
some sense of credibility, since he told it to Walsh in 2002/2003.

The Velonews article says that he told it to Velonews "that same year"
(2002). They didn't print it because Richards didn't want to be
identified,
but I think we can rely on Velonews's word that he's been telling it
for
some time. Of course it would have been somewhat newsworthy then
since Rasmussen was already MTB world champ, but obviously
Richards wasn't telling it to get attention. At worst one would have
to
assume that he was trying to get back at Rasmussen for some
reason, and that seems unlikely given his insistence then on not
naming
Rasmussen, and his friend who corroborates the story.

Other people have couriered this or that pill (didn't Emma
whatshername
allegedly bring LANCE something?) but putting someone in the
position of carrying blood substitute bags on an international flight
would
be a new level of brazenness, into [censored] Voet or Edita Rumsas
territory.

Ben
These shoes transmit power to the pedals more effectively

"Steven L. Sheffield" <[email hidden]> wrote...

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Interesting thing ... I just finished reading David Walsh's newest book,
"From Lance to Landis: Inside the American Doping Controversy at the Tour
de
France". (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/034549962X/veluninc/)

Talk about a mountain of circumstantial evidence.

Quoted message said:

These shoes transmit power to the pedals more effectively

Must be the shoes Moreau was going back to change into when Astana
attacked.

On Jul 23, 9:13 pm, "Steven L. Sheffield" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

On 07/23/2007 09:05 PM, in article
[email hidden],

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BTW, I am reconciled somewhat to the doping stories, but
I agree with Steven Sheffield, the story about handing
some random friend/sucker a box of "shoes" filled with
Hemopure to take through customs bothers me. Assuming
the story's for real, but it seems unlikely to be made up.

Interesting thing ... I just finished reading David Walsh's newest book,
"From Lance to Landis: Inside the American Doping Controversy at the Tour de
France". (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/034549962X/veluninc/)

In the Author's Note (after the Epilogue):

"Four years ago, I traveled to Milan to meet a young American who had
recently moved from Colorado to Italy. He told a story about a friend of
his, a European-born professional cyclist, who had asked this young man to
bring to Italy a pair of favorite cycling shoes he had unintentionally left
in the United States. The shoes were dropped off at the young man's house
in Boulder--a friend of the owner of the shoes just left the package at this
young man's door. As it turned out, the traveler didn't have much spare
room, but he figured he could squeeze in the shoes if he took them out of
the package and packed the two shoes separately.

Inside the package were 8 cartons of bovine hemoglobin."

Fromhttp://velonews.com/tour2007/news/articles/12851.0.html

"A former amateur mountain-bike racer alleged Thursday that Tour de France
yellow-jersey holder Michael Rasmussen (Rabobank) attempted to trick him
into carrying illegal doping products to Europe in 2002.

Whitney Richards, 31, a one-time Colorado-based cross-country racer, told
VeloNews that in March of 2002, Rasmussen asked him to transport a box
containing cycling shoes. But the shoebox, according to Richards, actually
contained bags of an American-made human blood substitute. None of the
information Richards provided VeloNews involves allegations of current
doping."

So ... knowing that there would have to be some lead time for Walsh's book;
AND that there's no way they could have known that Rasmussen would be
leading the Tour at this point, I'm thinking that the story is true ... At
the very least, Whitney Richard has been telling it long enough to give it
some sense of credibility, since he told it to Walsh in 2002/2003.

You are aware that Hemoglobin Based Oxygen Carriers (HBOCs) are
detectable in quantities far below those with therapeutic values?

On Jul 23, 9:28 pm, "[email hidden]" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Other people have couriered this or that pill (didn't Emma
whatshername
allegedly bring LANCE something?) but putting someone in the
position of carrying blood substitute bags on an international flight
would
be a new level of brazenness, into [censored] Voet or Edita Rumsas
territory.

E-caps work - are they illegal? If someone "couriered" e-caps across
the Atlantic would you treat it as if they were drug runners?

Quoted message said:

You are aware that Hemoglobin Based Oxygen Carriers (HBOCs) are
detectable in quantities far below those with therapeutic values?

It wasn't tested for in 2002.

Dan

On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 14:52:08 GMT, Dan Connelly

d_j_c_o_n_n_e_l@y_a_h_o_o_._c_o_m said:

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You are aware that Hemoglobin Based Oxygen Carriers (HBOCs) are
detectable in quantities far below those with therapeutic values?

It wasn't tested for in 2002.

Doesn't need to be. A 12 year old with a microscope would know there was
something terribly wrong with the blood sample.

Ron

email hidden said:

On Jul 23, 9:13 pm, "Steven L. Sheffield" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Fromhttp://velonews.com/tour2007/news/articles/12851.0.html

"A former amateur mountain-bike racer alleged Thursday that Tour de France
yellow-jersey holder Michael Rasmussen (Rabobank) attempted to trick him
into carrying illegal doping products to Europe in 2002.

Whitney Richards, 31, a one-time Colorado-based cross-country racer, told
VeloNews that in March of 2002, Rasmussen asked him to transport a box
containing cycling shoes. But the shoebox, according to Richards, actually
contained bags of an American-made human blood substitute. None of the
information Richards provided VeloNews involves allegations of current
doping."

So ... knowing that there would have to be some lead time for Walsh's book;
AND that there's no way they could have known that Rasmussen would be
leading the Tour at this point, I'm thinking that the story is true ... At
the very least, Whitney Richard has been telling it long enough to give it
some sense of credibility, since he told it to Walsh in 2002/2003.

The Velonews article says that he told it to Velonews "that same year"
(2002). They didn't print it because Richards didn't want to be
identified,
but I think we can rely on Velonews's word that he's been telling it
for
some time. Of course it would have been somewhat newsworthy then
since Rasmussen was already MTB world champ, but obviously
Richards wasn't telling it to get attention. At worst one would have
to
assume that he was trying to get back at Rasmussen for some
reason, and that seems unlikely given his insistence then on not
naming
Rasmussen, and his friend who corroborates the story.

Other people have couriered this or that pill (didn't Emma
whatshername
allegedly bring LANCE something?) but putting someone in the
position of carrying blood substitute bags on an international flight
would
be a new level of brazenness, into [censored] Voet or Edita Rumsas
territory.

Ben
These shoes transmit power to the pedals more effectively

I'm sure the image of the sport would be improved by having winners of whom no
ill is said. We're fresh out of those. So let's let it be decided on the road.

Ron

RonSonic said:

On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 04:28:19 -0000, "[email hidden]"

Quoted message said:

Other people have couriered this or that pill (didn't Emma
whatshername
allegedly bring LANCE something?) but putting someone in the
position of carrying blood substitute bags on an international flight
would
be a new level of brazenness, into [censored] Voet or Edita Rumsas
territory.

I'm sure the image of the sport would be improved by having winners of whom no
ill is said. We're fresh out of those. So let's let it be decided on the road.

My discomfort with the character shown in
the Hemopure-mule story expresses my rooting
preferences as a fan, not as a prescriptive
call for action. McQuaid, as the leader of
the sport, nominally has an obligation to be
less biased than a fan. On the other hand,
he's right, it _is_ an image problem. However,
the UCI's approach to cycling's image problems
has generally not been a well thought out plan.

Ben

On Jul 25, 1:38 am, "[email hidden]" <[email hidden]>
However,

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the UCI's approach to cycling's image problems
has generally not been a well thought out plan.

I invented that phrase.

Robert
exploiter of the Weiner Chart

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However, the UCI's approach to cycling's image problems

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has generally not been a well thought out plan.

rechungREMOVETHIS said:

I invented that phrase.

You should have followed the US corporate lead and patented it. You can
patent just about anything through the US patent office. I'm considering
patenting podium girl breasts so I can charge all you [censored] viewing fees.