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  1. motivated by the thread of hi beams, I have a query about rear lights. I'm
    continually amazed that you can get lights that look the same as a motorbike
    from in front in terms of brightness, but when it comes to rear lights, we
    all ride around with flashing LEDs. I for one (justified or not) am much
    more concerned about a car behind me hitting me, rather than one I can see.
    If I can see a car, chances are I can avoid the driver's
    stupidity/ignorance, but if I dont see it coming, then what chance do I
    have. For this reason, I've always wanted to (never have, yet) get a big
    headlight, with a red tint as a rear light.

    anyone else got any thoughts on this?

    cheers
    dim

  2. Dmitri Colebatch said:

    but when it comes to rear lights, we all ride around with flashing LEDs.

    Thats because a _good_ flashing LED lamp is incredibly visible.
    Add reflectors on heels, wheel rims, etc for bonus safety.
    And LEDs are far more efficient for coloured light than incandescents.

  3. Greetings,
    The primary constraint on bike rear lights is available
    power. I still have an ancient dynamo system, and they allocate a mere
    0.5 watt to the tail light and 2.4 watts to the head-light, which is why
    I have an LED light as a back-up at the rear. If you want a more
    powerful tail-light, you will pay for it in either needing a 6 watt
    system, or more (and heavier) batteries, as well as moolah.
    The advent of LED lights is some improvement over the absolutely
    pathetic output of many previous tail-lights, but we are still not as
    visible as cars because we don't have a 12 volt, heavy duty battery
    system. As I don't do a lot of night riding at the present it doesn't
    bother me unduly, but I'm certainly aware of the problem, and also of
    some of the work that has been done on it.
    Regards,
    Ray.

    Dmitri Colebatch said:

    motivated by the thread of hi beams, I have a query about rear lights. I'm
    continually amazed that you can get lights that look the same as a motorbike
    from in front in terms of brightness, but when it comes to rear lights, we
    all ride around with flashing LEDs. I for one (justified or not) am much
    more concerned about a car behind me hitting me, rather than one I can see.
    If I can see a car, chances are I can avoid the driver's
    stupidity/ignorance, but if I dont see it coming, then what chance do I
    have. For this reason, I've always wanted to (never have, yet) get a big
    headlight, with a red tint as a rear light.

    anyone else got any thoughts on this?

    cheers
    dim

  4. In reply to your post about bright rear bike lights (as a recommendation).

    I bought a Daylight Bright Bicycle light for $123 which includes postage and
    its works very well. The following is some information from me about my
    experience with the light.

    The light is fairly visible in bright daylight. It is very visible under
    street lights at night. I even once had a passing passenger call out: "Your
    bike light's on fire!". That is what it must have looked like to him.

    The light unit is made and supplied by one man as far as I know.

    I don't have any pictures (no digital camera here, but you can see it in a
    review in Australian Cyclist magazine from 2003 (see their website)). It
    weighs about 100g. Read on for the dimensions.

    The backing plate on mine extends up along the longer dimension, so it is
    wider than the seat. When mounted on the seatpost it touches the back of my
    legs, which is why I mounted mine under the seat via the seat rails. The
    light is not aethestically beautiful, but it is functional.

    I recommend this light for cyclists, but under the above disclaimers that it
    is not perfectly designed. I am happy to have spent the money, but anyone
    else does so at their own risk of dissatisfaction. Perhaps get the
    manufacturer to send you some pictures.

    Kind Regards,

    Laurence Dodd.

    .....................

    The following is information from the manufacturer.

    Thank you for your enquiry re the world's brightest bicycle tail light!

    For seat post mounting, the mounting plate comes with a U-bolt to suit a
    25mm seat post and is $8 extra. Please advise your seat post diameter if not
    25mm.

    The long dimension would normally be horizontal but people have mounted
    these lights vertically with a specially designed mounting plate.

    The light is designed to be charged on-bike. You would need a specially
    designed mounting to allow easy removal if you wished to remove the light
    for charging. For most cyclists recharging would only be required once a
    week. One option for a commuter cyclist might be to charge the light at work
    during the day.

    I make the lights myself here in Sydney and ride to work in the city using
    one.

    Postage is $8. The lights are not sold through shops.

    Regards, Bill Holliday, WMH Electronics P/L

    ..........................................................................

    Daylight Bright Bicycle Tail Light

    Cyclists can be put in the direct path of overtaking motor traffic by

    chicanes, traffic islands, speed humps and the S-lane's disappearing

    left hand lane.

    In such situations cyclists are effectively denied on-road access unless

    they are able to enter and occupy a lane when necessary. To do this,

    cyclists need to be very visible from behind, both day and night.

    The Daylight Bright tail light focuses the attention of approaching

    traffic on the presence of the cyclist and identifies the cyclist as such.

    Daylight Saving causes many commuter cyclists to travel at sunset. A

    bright tail light makes cyclists more visible against the setting sun.

    The Daylight Bright bicycle tail light stands out from a sea of

    headlights, trafficators and other tail lights because of its brightness

    and characteristic flash rate.

    FEATURES:

    Mega-bright:

    Has by far the highest flash intensity of any bicycle tail light. Twenty

    four high-power LEDS provide more than 600,000 mcd - as bright as a

    traffic light. Easily visible at night at 1 km (on-axis).

    Internal Rechargeable Batteries

    Five internal 650mAh AAA rechargeable NiMH batteries operate the light

    for 6 hours in full flash mode or 12 hours in alternating flash mode.

    Built-in recharging Circuit:

    Any 9 to 24 volt plugpack will power the internal constant-current

    recharging circuit to recharge the batteries overnight. A suitable

    plugpack is available separately. The light is designed to be recharged

    in situ - it is not necessary to remove it from the bike.

    A green recharging indicator LED shows when recharging is taking place.
    Water resistant design: The light uses a waterproof case with neoprene
    sealing gasket between the transparent lid and the tough ABS body. The
    batteries are soldered in place - no contacts to corrode and prevent the
    light from operating.

    Mounting:

    The light should be firmly mounted on the bicycle to point directly

    backwards. The case dimensions are 115x65x40 mm with two 4mm mounting

    holes located outside the sealed volume.

    Mounting requirements vary widely depending where the light is to be

    attached. A dual-purpose mounting kit, for seat post or backstay

    mounting, is available from the manufacturer.

    MANUFACTURED BY:

    WMH Electronics Pty Ltd

    ABN 19 101 848 435

    Ph/Fax: 9569-4956 (H)

    Email: wmh@ ieee.org

  5. Mike <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:
    Dmitri Colebatch said:

    but when it comes to rear lights, we all ride around with flashing
    LEDs.

    Thats because a _good_ flashing LED lamp is incredibly visible.

    As long as it can be seen. I bought a Topeak "wedge" saddle bag on
    Saturday. When I fitted it I found I couldn't have it and my rear light
    mounted at the same time. So, in order to have a rear light and the saddle
    bag I either have to buy a new rear light which mounts on the saddle bag
    itself:

    http://www.topeak.com/global/redlite.php

    or I have to buy a "seat pack fixer":

    http://www.topeak.com/global/fixers.php

    Grrrrr.

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  6. DRS said:

    As long as it can be seen. I bought a Topeak "wedge" saddle bag on
    Saturday. When I fitted it I found I couldn't have it and my rear light
    mounted at the same time. So, in order to have a rear light and the saddle
    bag I either have to buy a new rear light which mounts on the saddle bag

    You have a mounting strap onto the back of the saddle bag?
    I thought most LEDs had a clip for that. Just be sure it stays at the
    right angle.
    Otherwise, you could just screw it on to the saddle bag, with a
    backplate inside.

    I suppose getting a rear rack is out of the question? :-)

    Quoted message said:


    http://www.topeak.com/global/redlite.php

  7. Mike <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:
    DRS said:

    As long as it can be seen. I bought a Topeak "wedge" saddle bag on
    Saturday. When I fitted it I found I couldn't have it and my rear
    light mounted at the same time. So, in order to have a rear light
    and the saddle bag I either have to buy a new rear light which
    mounts on the saddle bag

    You have a mounting strap onto the back of the saddle bag?

    Yes. Didn't you look at the links?

    Quoted message said:

    I thought most LEDs had a clip for that. Just be sure it stays at the
    right angle.
    Otherwise, you could just screw it on to the saddle bag, with a
    backplate inside.

    I looked at my current one but I don't see how it would clip on.

    Quoted message said:

    I suppose getting a rear rack is out of the question? :-)

    Just what I need, more weight on the bike.

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    "I'm proud that I live in a country where witnessing two hours of bloody,
    barbarous torture in gloating detail is considered indicia of religious
    piety, whereas a mere second gazing upon a woman's breast is cause for
    outraged apoplexy."
    Betty Bowers, http://www.bettybowers.com/melgibsonpassion.html

  8. In article said:

    motivated by the thread of hi beams, I have a query about rear lights. I'm
    continually amazed that you can get lights that look the same as a motorbike
    from in front in terms of brightness, but when it comes to rear lights, we
    all ride around with flashing LEDs. I for one (justified or not) am much
    more concerned about a car behind me hitting me, rather than one I can see.
    If I can see a car, chances are I can avoid the driver's
    stupidity/ignorance, but if I dont see it coming, then what chance do I
    have. For this reason, I've always wanted to (never have, yet) get a big
    headlight, with a red tint as a rear light.

    anyone else got any thoughts on this?

    cheers
    dim

    Red LED read lights are extremly visable at night, if there mounted on
    the seat post or rear rake of a bike, wearing them on a helmet is not as
    effective.

    You can post these flashing things from several blocks away, its all I
    have on the rear of my bike and I'm quite confident in it.

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  9. Joel Mayes said:

    wearing them on a helmet is not as effective.

    Why is that? I have one of those swivel-mounted ones, so it always
    shines horizontally. Makes a nice eye-level backup for the rack-mounted
    lights. Anyone sell them in Oz?

    http://www.mec.ca/Products/product_detail.jsp?PRODUCT%3C%3Eprd_id=15909

  10. In article said:
    Joel Mayes said:

    wearing them on a helmet is not as effective.

    Why is that? I have one of those swivel-mounted ones, so it always
    shines horizontally. Makes a nice eye-level backup for the rack-mounted
    lights. Anyone sell them in Oz?

    http://www.mec.ca/Products/product_detail.jsp?PRODUCT%3C%3Eprd_id=15909

    I've seen many riders with collars or bags which partially obscure the
    light, probably not a valid issue if you are careful about how you
    dress, and how you mount the light.

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  11. Mike said:
    Joel Mayes said:

    wearing them on a helmet is not as effective.


    Why is that? I have one of those swivel-mounted ones, so it always
    shines horizontally. Makes a nice eye-level backup for the rack-mounted
    lights. Anyone sell them in Oz?
    http://www.mec.ca/Products/product_detail.jsp?PRODUCT%3C%3E-
    http://www.mec.ca/Products/product_detail.jsp?PRODUCT%3C%3E-
    prd_id=15909

    Many of the LEDs used in bicycle tail lights are pretty directional,
    some particularly so, making it important to mount the thing in the
    right direction. I think this is most reliably accomplished by mounting
    it on the bicycle. Your swivelling light attached to your helmet will
    only be correctly positioned if you always hold your head in a
    particular way, which does not seem practical to me.

    This morning I came up behind another rider on what appeared to be a
    totally unlit bicycle. Only as I passed her did I see a flashing light
    attached to the retention strap at the rear of her helmet. She was
    sitting upright on a fairly upright bicycle and the light was shining
    down and invisible from behind. Presumable it would have been visible
    had she ridden in a more normal posture, but most riders move around -
    riding on the tops, the hoods and the drops.

    John Retchford

    --

  12. John Retchford said:

    Your swivelling light attached to your helmet will
    only be correctly positioned if you always hold your head in a
    particular way, which does not seem practical to me.

    By "swivelling", I mean it is self levelling, by gravity, so the head
    tilt doesnt matter.

    Quoted message said:

    the light was shining down and invisible from behind.

    A common problem.

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