Recommendation for a Good Clincher Tire

"Mark" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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I currently wish to upgrade my tires to a better riding,
lighter, and more sophisticated tire from the Vittoria
Zaffir 700x22 that I am now using.

I basically ride in dry weather on Ashphalt, and wish to
buy a tire with a bit better ride, and with less rolling
resistance (Not neccesarily looking for a high mileage
tire, or on the other hand, the absolutely lightest tire
on the market either)

I have somewhat narrowed it down to the Michelin Pro Race
700x23, the Vittoria Open Corsa CX 700x23, or perhaps a
fine offering from a top of the line Veloflex?

I'm sorry if this topic has been covered before. I'm
open to suggestion, and I would like to hear your
likes/dislikes with the few tires I mention above.
TIA Mark

I've got two favorite tires; the Continental GP3000 in
700x25 and the Vittoria Open Corsa EVO CX. The Contis get
good mileage and give a good ride. The Vittorias give a
fabulous ride, but the mileage is slightly less than the
Contis. If I'm going on a long ride, 75+ miles, I'll have
the Vittorias on. I've had Michelins before, they are a good
tire but an absolute bear to get on and off the rims. If you
have a flat on the road with a Michelin, two or three tire
levers are a must. I can get the Conti and Vittoria tires on
and off with just my hands.

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"Mark" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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I currently wish to upgrade my tires to a better riding,
lighter, and more sophisticated tire from the Vittoria
Zaffir 700x22 that I am now using.

I basically ride in dry weather on Ashphalt, and wish to
buy a tire with a bit better ride, and with less rolling
resistance (Not neccesarily looking for a high mileage
tire, or on the other hand, the absolutely lightest tire
on the market either)

I have somewhat narrowed it down to the Michelin Pro
Race 700x23, the Vittoria Open Corsa CX 700x23, or
perhaps a fine offering from a top of the line Veloflex?

I'm sorry if this topic has been covered before. I'm
open to suggestion, and I would like to hear your
likes/dislikes with the few tires I mention above.
TIA Mark

I've got two favorite tires; the Continental GP3000 in
700x25 and the Vittoria Open Corsa EVO CX. The Contis get
good mileage and give a good ride. The Vittorias give a
fabulous ride, but the mileage is slightly less than the
Contis. If I'm going on a long ride, 75+ miles, I'll have
the Vittorias on. I've had Michelins before, they are a
good tire but an absolute bear to get on and off the rims.
If you have a flat on the road with a Michelin, two or
three tire levers are a must. I can get the Conti and
Vittoria tires on and off with just my hands.

I agree that if *comfort* is a priority, get 700x25 and run
it at 100-110psi. I use Avocet tires and love it. Wide,
comfy, with low rolling resistance (arguably one of the
lowest tested!), its a great tire. Problem is finding it.
Your LBS should be able to order them or check out Sheldon
Brown, Licktons, World Class Cycles and G to G tandems to
name a few online shops....

Are you referring to the kevlar belted Avocets or the
non-kelvar?

Paul

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I agree that if *comfort* is a priority, get 700x25 and
run it at 100-110psi. I use Avocet tires and love it.
Wide, comfy, with low rolling resistance (arguably one of
the lowest tested!), its a great tire.

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Are you referring to the kevlar belted Avocets or the
non-kelvar?

Paul

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I agree that if *comfort* is a priority, get 700x25 and
run it at 100-110psi. I use Avocet tires and love it.
Wide, comfy, with low

rolling

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resistance (arguably one of the lowest tested!), its a
great tire.

I use the Avocet Fasgrip tires, formerly known as Road 30
700x28 (actually measured 24-26mm wide) and now known as the
Fasgrip Carbon 12 700x25 (accurately measured). The kevlar
belt is not as much of a factor as the fact that the tire
has an all carbon black tread. In contrast, most tires today
have color which is either an all silica tread or a mix of
silica and something else. I think Michelin and Continental
have an all carbon black tire, not sure.

With the wider 700x25, as oppose to the 700x20/23 used by
most riders today, you can run lower psi (100-110psi)
versus 120++ used by many, and with more air volume, you
get more comfort.

I ditto this! The Avocet Carbon 12 Road 25c
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Are you referring to the kevlar belted Avocets or the
non-kelvar?

Paul

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I agree that if *comfort* is a priority, get 700x25 and
run it at 100-110psi. I use Avocet tires and love it.
Wide, comfy, with low

rolling

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resistance (arguably one of the lowest tested!), its a
great tire.

(Mark) said:

I currently wish to upgrade my tires to a better riding,
lighter, and more sophisticated tire from the Vittoria
Zaffir 700x22 that I am now using.

I basically ride in dry weather on Ashphalt, and wish to
buy a tire with a bit better ride, and with less rolling
resistance (Not neccesarily looking for a high mileage
tire, or on the other hand, the absolutely lightest tire on
the market either)

I have somewhat narrowed it down to the Michelin Pro Race
700x23, the Vittoria Open Corsa CX 700x23, or perhaps a
fine offering from a top of the line Veloflex?

For race I use Continental Grand Prix 300 700x20 on 160 PSI,
and for training anything from Michelin range...there is
Michelin Meganium (120 PSI) on wheeles now.

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(Mark) said:

I currently wish to upgrade my tires to a better riding,
lighter, and more sophisticated tire from the Vittoria
Zaffir 700x22 that I am now using.

I basically ride in dry weather on Ashphalt, and wish to
buy a tire with a bit better ride, and with less rolling
resistance (Not neccesarily looking for a high mileage
tire, or on the other hand, the absolutely lightest tire
on the market either)

I have somewhat narrowed it down to the Michelin Pro Race
700x23, the Vittoria Open Corsa CX 700x23, or perhaps a
fine offering from a top of the line Veloflex?

For race I use Continental Grand Prix 300 700x20 on
160 PSI...

Wow, 700x20 and 160psi, not too harsh? do you ever feel like
you bouncing around out of control? does it allow you to
roll really fast?

At my weight, 190-195lb, with 700x25 at 100-100psi, I easily
coast faster down a hill than the majority of my 135-165lb
friends. I'm also very comfortable too.

Dave Thompson said:

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I currently wish to upgrade my tires to a better riding,
lighter, and more sophisticated tire from the Vittoria
Zaffir 700x22 that I am now using.

I basically ride in dry weather on Ashphalt, and wish to
buy a tire with a bit better ride, and with less rolling
resistance (Not neccesarily looking for a high mileage
tire, or on the other hand, the absolutely lightest tire
on the market either)

I have somewhat narrowed it down to the Michelin Pro Race
700x23, the Vittoria Open Corsa CX 700x23, or perhaps a
fine offering from a top of the line Veloflex?

I'm sorry if this topic has been covered before. I'm
open to suggestion, and I would like to hear your
likes/dislikes with the few tires I mention above.
TIA Mark

I've got two favorite tires; the Continental GP3000 in
700x25 and the Vittoria Open Corsa EVO CX. The Contis get
good mileage and give a good ride. The Vittorias give a
fabulous ride, but the mileage is slightly less than the
Contis. If I'm going on a long ride, 75+ miles, I'll have
the Vittorias on. I've had Michelins before, they are a
good tire but an absolute bear to get on and off the rims.
If you have a flat on the road with a Michelin, two or
three tire levers are a must. I can get the Conti and
Vittoria tires on and off with just my hands.

I'll chime in here because I've been riding those Vittorias
for the last few months (Open Corsa CX TT, 23mm, yellow w/
black middle). They're indeed very fast, and if you really
want to minimize rolling resistance, they have a very high
pressure rating. I run them at 7-8 bar, with no problems
yet, not even a single flat. They seem to be wearing pretty
well too. I'm not sure I like them as much as the Avocets I
had on my last bike, which were slightly fatter, a little
more comfortable, and probably just as fast. But overall the
Vittorias have been great.

Matt O.

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I currently wish to upgrade my tires to a better riding,
lighter, and more sophisticated tire from the Vittoria
Zaffir 700x22 that I am now using.

I basically ride in dry weather on Ashphalt, and wish to
buy a tire with a bit better ride, and with less rolling
resistance (Not neccesarily looking for a high mileage
tire, or on the other hand, the absolutely lightest tire
on the market either)

I have somewhat narrowed it down to the Michelin Pro Race
700x23, the Vittoria Open Corsa CX 700x23, or perhaps a
fine offering from a top of the line Veloflex?

I'm sorry if this topic has been covered before. I'm
open to suggestion, and I would like to hear your
likes/dislikes with the few tires I mention above.
TIA Mark

Michelin Pro Race. 220 g (700x23), comfortable ride and
stick well in the corners. Not high mileage (expect around
2000 miles or so). Best prices I've found have been from
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If I'm going on a long ride, 75+ miles, I'll have the

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Vittorias on. I've had Michelins before, they are a good
tire but an absolute bear to get on and off the rims. If
you have a flat on the road with a Michelin, two or three
tire levers are a must. I can get the Conti and Vittoria
tires on and off with just my hands.

huh ! I love my Michelin Iron Mans and I have changed them
with one iron for off and bare hands for on with Rolf Vector
Comp wheels which are reputed for difficult tire changes (so
"they" say). mto

Thanks folks for your great help, and advice. I think I
might like to first try the Vittoria Corsa Evo CX Clinchers.
(I'm sure over time, I'll experiment, and get to try some
others too, like the Avocet-Conti-Michelin)

Honestly, right now, I don't have the experience to draw my
own conclusions on which tires are personal favs just yet.
Been away from riding for quite some time, but I'm very
eager, and enthusiastic to return to what I greatly enjoyed
in the past.

Does anyone here know of a good online store for the
Vittoria Corsa's with great prices, and who perhaps also
carries the Tubes-etc.? (Might as well do it right) Thanks
again folks for all the help! Mark

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I've got two favorite tires; the Continental GP3000 in
700x25 and the Vittoria Open Corsa EVO CX. The Contis get
good mileage and give a good ride. The Vittorias give a
fabulous ride, but the mileage is slightly less than the
Contis. If I'm going on a long ride, 75+ miles, I'll have
the Vittorias on. I've had Michelins before, they are a
good tire but an absolute bear to get on and off the rims.
If you have a flat on the road with a Michelin, two or
three tire levers are a must. I can get the Conti and
Vittoria tires on and off with just my hands.

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Wow, 700x20 and 160psi, not too harsh? do you ever feel
like you bouncing around out of control? does it allow you
to roll really fast?

I get many snake bites if I have Conti. GP300 700x20 pumped
lower than 160 PSI. 700x23 Michelin i ride at 120 PSI. I'm
also an big rider....190cm tall (6.5"😉 and weight 87-92kg
(190-203lb)

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At my weight, 190-195lb, with 700x25 at 100-100psi, I
easily coast faster down a hill than the majority of my 135-
165lb friends. I'm also very comfortable too.

smokva said:

I get many snake bites if I have Conti. GP300 700x20 pumped
lower than 160 PSI. 700x23 Michelin i ride at 120 PSI. I'm
also an big rider....190cm tall (6.5"😉 and weight 87-92kg
(190-203lb)

I forgot to mention that roads are in extremely poor
condition here.

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Thanks folks for your great help, and advice. I think I
might like to first try the Vittoria Corsa Evo CX
Clinchers. (I'm sure over time, I'll experiment, and get
to try some others too, like the Avocet-Conti-Michelin)

Honestly, right now, I don't have the experience to draw
my own conclusions on which tires are personal favs just
yet. Been away from riding for quite some time, but I'm
very eager, and enthusiastic to return to what I greatly
enjoyed in the past.

Does anyone here know of a good online store for the
Vittoria Corsa's with great prices, and who perhaps also
carries the Tubes-etc.? (Might as well do it right) Thanks
again folks for all the help! Mark

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I've got two favorite tires; the Continental GP3000 in
700x25 and the Vittoria Open Corsa EVO CX. The Contis
get good mileage and give a good ride. The Vittorias
give a fabulous ride, but the mileage is slightly

less

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than the Contis. If I'm going on a long ride, 75+
miles, I'll have the Vittorias on. I've had Michelins
before, they are a good tire but an absolute bear to
get on and off the rims. If you have a flat on the road
with a Michelin, two or three tire levers are a must. I
can get the

Conti

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and Vittoria tires on and off with just my hands.

Mark,

At the beginning of every season, I order a whole bunch of
tires from Totalcycling.com (Ireland, I believe). This year,
I bought 16 Open Corsa CX's for me and my friends. Since the
shipping was $16, it only added a dollar per tire. At the
time I ordered them, I think the going price was $31 with a
free Vittoria innertube included (around $5 here), compared
to close to $60 per tire in the US. Maybe you and your
friends could do the same thing?

HTH, Cat

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I forgot to mention that roads are in extremely poor
condition here.

You ride a 20c at 160psi on very bad roads? And your
fillings are still staying in place?

Actually, I'm amazed that your wheels hold up. Ouch!

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
chainreactionbicycles.comchainreactionbicycles.comOpen ↗

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smokva said:

I get many snake bites if I have Conti. GP300 700x20
pumped lower than

160 PSI.

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700x23 Michelin i ride at 120 PSI. I'm also an big
rider....190cm tall (6.5"😉 and weight 87-92kg (190-203lb)

I forgot to mention that roads are in extremely poor
condition here.

Mike Jacoubowsky said:

You ride a 20c at 160psi on very bad roads? And your
fillings are still staying in place?

Actually, I'm amazed that your wheels hold up. Ouch!

I'll say it once again...for training and abuse I have
Michelin Meganium 700x23 at 120 PSI, GP3000 700x20 (160 PSI)
is for race only.

smokva said:

smokva said:

I get many snake bites if I have Conti. GP300 700x20
pumped lower than 160 PSI. 700x23 Michelin i ride at 120
PSI. I'm also an big rider....190cm tall (6.5"😉 and weight
87-92kg (190-203lb)

I forgot to mention that roads are in extremely poor
condition here.

You live in Toronto?

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Mike Jacoubowsky said:

You ride a 20c at 160psi on very bad roads? And your
fillings are still staying in place?

Actually, I'm amazed that your wheels hold up. Ouch!

I'll say it once again...for training and abuse I have
Michelin Meganium

700x23 at 120 PSI, GP3000 700x20 (160 PSI) is for race only.

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With the 700x20 at 160psi, do you really ride faster when
you *race*?

Mark wrote:

Hello Mark,

I'm not a current clincher user, but my cycling partner is
and I have spent time on Veloflex Clinchers. I usually ride
on veloflex Criterium tubulars for training or races.

I have used Michelin, Priba, Verderstien, Conti, Vittoria
clinchers in teh past. I like the Veloflex & Vittoria
open CX best.

The Veloflex clinchers are similar to the VIttoria open CX,
both are cotton casing tires of very similar construction,
but the tread compounds are different. I like the feel and
grip of the Veloflex over the Vittoria open CX.

They typically last 1,500 to just over 2,000 miles on the
rear and more on the front. They are fast, comfortable and
pretty resistant to punctures.

We also use Michelin latex inner tubes exclusively.
Regardless of what others might say about latex inner tubes
(loss of air over night, cost, etc) They do appear to help
prevent flats and makes the tires more comfortable.

Comfort is high on my list, when you spend a lot of time on
the bike (4-6 hours more than once a week) comfort really
matters and helps you go faster in general.

I think the overall comfort factor of road bikes is not as
highly regarded as it should be. I have spent time on many
hard riding tire_inner tube_wheel_bike frame combinations
and don t' like them at all.

The Veloflex Master is the tire we use and like. We inflate
them to ~6-8 bar depending on road conditions with few
problems. The best place to get the tires appears to be
Danny at Crit USA.

Bernice

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of the line Veloflex?

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TIA Mark