Reporting potholes

[email hidden] said the following on 01/02/2007 12:41:

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News from CTC...

New sites will make roads and tracks a hole lot better

I like the "road surface loos" reported after some roadworks! Conjures
up a picture of several blue Portaloos sitting in the road :-)

Seriously, it seems a good idea, but how much weight does reporting it
there actually carry? The "You spot it - you log it - they fix it"
scenario seems a little naive.

Anyway, it's a much better reporting system than my local councils
website (which seems to have disappeared right now!)

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Paul Boyd
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[email hidden] wrote on 01/02/2007 12:41 +0100:

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Two new online tools, which will help get potholes fixed and off-road
trails cleared of obstructions, have been launched by CTC. Using the
new system at www.fillthathole.org.uk you can zoom into any road in
the UK, mark the location of the defect, and let the authority know
about it, which then has a duty to take action. It takes no longer
than 2 minutes to use, and it's possible to include photos,
measurements and other useful information, which other people will be
able to see. A similar facility at clearthattrail.org.uk allows
cyclists to report off-road obstructions. CTC Director Kevin Mayne
said: "Potholes and other road defects are more than just a nuisance;
they're a danger to cyclists. Reporting problems like this can be a
chore, but our online facility has made it quick and easy."

I've used website pothole reporting run by various councils in the past
and as far as I can see the actual effect is a big round number. I
can't see this being much different once it gets into the corridors of
the responsible council.

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Tony

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Quoted message said:

Two new online tools, which will help get potholes fixed and
off-road trails cleared of obstructions, have been launched by CTC.
Using the new system at www.fillthathole.org.uk you can zoom into
any road in the UK, mark the location of the defect, and let the
authority know about it, which then has a duty to take action.

After the recent wet weather we seem to have more potholes than roads
- I hope that they have a lot of memory on their computer.

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Tony Raven said:

[email hidden] wrote on 01/02/2007 12:41 +0100:

Quoted message said:

Two new online tools, which will help get potholes fixed and off-road
trails cleared of obstructions, have been launched by CTC. Using the
new system at www.fillthathole.org.uk you can zoom into any road in
the UK, mark the location of the defect, and let the authority know
about it, which then has a duty to take action. It takes no longer
than 2 minutes to use, and it's possible to include photos,
measurements and other useful information, which other people will be
able to see. A similar facility at clearthattrail.org.uk allows
cyclists to report off-road obstructions. CTC Director Kevin Mayne
said: "Potholes and other road defects are more than just a nuisance;
they're a danger to cyclists. Reporting problems like this can be a
chore, but our online facility has made it quick and easy."

I've used website pothole reporting run by various councils in the past
and as far as I can see the actual effect is a big round number. I
can't see this being much different once it gets into the corridors of
the responsible council.

The difference may be that if the reports are there for all to see, councils
will know that should anything nasty happen as a result of their inaction they
will not be able to hold their hands up and claim they were unaware of the
danger.

I suppose the same would apply to a certain extent with reporting it to their
own site, but having it clearly visible on a third party site might make a
difference.

Sandy Morton wrote on 01/02/2007 13:18 +0100:

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After the recent wet weather we seem to have more potholes than roads
- I hope that they have a lot of memory on their computer.

Perhaps they need a road reporting system instead ;-)

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Tony

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wildly inaccurate..."
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On Thu, 01 Feb 2007 13:14:58 +0000, Tony Raven <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

[email hidden] wrote on 01/02/2007 12:41 +0100:

Quoted message said:

Two new online tools, which will help get potholes fixed and off-road
trails cleared of obstructions, have been launched by CTC. Using the
new system at www.fillthathole.org.uk you can zoom into any road in
the UK, mark the location of the defect, and let the authority know
about it, which then has a duty to take action. It takes no longer
than 2 minutes to use, and it's possible to include photos,
measurements and other useful information, which other people will be
able to see. A similar facility at clearthattrail.org.uk allows
cyclists to report off-road obstructions. CTC Director Kevin Mayne
said: "Potholes and other road defects are more than just a nuisance;
they're a danger to cyclists. Reporting problems like this can be a
chore, but our online facility has made it quick and easy."

I've used website pothole reporting run by various councils in the past
and as far as I can see the actual effect is a big round number. I
can't see this being much different once it gets into the corridors of
the responsible council.

Your potholes may vary. I've reported 4, all of which have been fixed
reasonably quickly. I've reported a set of traffic lights which had
swung round in the wind, presenting me with a green light when i
should have seen red. They too got fixed. And this thread has
reminded me to report another one.

Tim

Quoting Paul Boyd <usenet.dont.work@plusnet>:

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[email hidden] said the following on 01/02/2007 12:41:

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New sites will make roads and tracks a hole lot better

Seriously, it seems a good idea, but how much weight does reporting it
there actually carry? The "You spot it - you log it - they fix it"
scenario seems a little naive.

It chains into the appropriate local council's reporting - the idea is
that the CTC do (once) the work of finding out each council's hoops to
jump through, which is more efficient overall.

Local councils do fix 'em sometimes - I've had one fixed inside a week -
but even if they don't, "you spot it - you log it - they don't fix it -
someone else falls in and can prove in court that the council knew about
it and failed to fix it."
--
David Damerell <[email hidden]> Distortion Field!
Today is Teleute, February.

David Damerell said:

Local councils do fix 'em sometimes - I've had one fixed inside a week

Report it with a claim for damages and they manage to fix it same day,
in my experience (I phoned at 09:30, was going to get a photo on the
way home to support my claim, and it had already been filled....)

regards, Ian SMith
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Quoted message said:

News from CTC...

New sites will make roads and tracks a hole lot better

Two new online tools, which will help get potholes fixed and off-road
trails cleared of obstructions, have been launched by CTC. Using the
new system at www.fillthathole.org.uk you can zoom into any road in
the UK, mark the location of the defect, and let the authority know
about it, which then has a duty to take action.

OK then who's responsible for reporting the ones outside St. Mark's
Kennington (Brixton Road)? That's just up the road from me.

Is there any chance we could report the dangerous cycle lane that
tries to send you round the corner from Camberwell New Road into
Clapham Road? For those not in the know there is a narrow cycle lane
here which curves round to follow the kerb without an advanced stop
line at the lights.
--
Phil Cook looking north over the park to the "Westminster Gasworks"

Phil Cook said:

Is there any chance we could report the dangerous cycle lane that
tries to send you round the corner from Camberwell New Road into
Clapham Road? For those not in the know there is a narrow cycle lane
here which curves round to follow the kerb without an advanced stop
line at the lights.

Ah ha, you appear to be in my manor. I cycle that route every day to work.
That junction is a bit dangerous, I agree - it's not that hectic, but I've
come into conflict there a couple of times with people turning left when
I'm going straight on, including the time when a woman in an people
carrier decided to overtake on the right, then cut across me so she could
turn left. She came a bit too close for comfort, and I'm still a little
annoyed that I didn't have the presence of mind to kick her door as an
"I'm here, you numpty" announcement.

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In article <[email hidden]>, Creature
[email hidden] says...

Quoted message said:

Phil Cook said:

Is there any chance we could report the dangerous cycle lane that
tries to send you round the corner from Camberwell New Road into
Clapham Road? For those not in the know there is a narrow cycle lane
here which curves round to follow the kerb without an advanced stop
line at the lights.

Ah ha, you appear to be in my manor. I cycle that route every day to work.
That junction is a bit dangerous, I agree - it's not that hectic, but I've
come into conflict there a couple of times with people turning left when
I'm going straight on, including the time when a woman in an people
carrier decided to overtake on the right, then cut across me so she could
turn left. She came a bit too close for comfort, and I'm still a little
annoyed that I didn't have the presence of mind to kick her door as an
"I'm here, you numpty" announcement.

That's pretty much a reflex action for me - work on it. :-)

Creature said:

Phil Cook said:

Is there any chance we could report the dangerous cycle lane that
tries to send you round the corner from Camberwell New Road into
Clapham Road?

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Ah ha, you appear to be in my manor. I cycle that route every day to work.

Every work day at about quarter to six my Birdy goes through there.
What have they done with the phasing of the lights? Coming home at
about two there is now one almighty snarl up round the Oval and back
towards Vauxhall. I dread to think what it is like later on. Perhaps
it's all part of Ken's wonderful plan to get us all on bikes
--
Phil Cook looking north over the park to the "Westminster Gasworks"

Phil Cook said the following on 01/02/2007 23:44:

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OK then who's responsible for reporting the ones outside St. Mark's
Kennington (Brixton Road)? That's just up the road from me.

Er, you are.

Quoted message said:

Is there any chance we could report the dangerous cycle lane...

You could, but not on that site :-) If it is a genuine problem, then
you need to badger away at your local council, and preferably get
support from your local cycling organisations.

--
Paul Boyd
http://www.paul-boyd.co.uk/

Paul Boyd said:

Phil Cook said the following on 01/02/2007 23:44:

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OK then who's responsible for reporting the ones outside St. Mark's
Kennington (Brixton Road)? That's just up the road from me.

Er, you are.

They have already been reported. I was fishing for local riders to
make themselves known. Got one bite :-)

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Is there any chance we could report the dangerous cycle lane...

You could, but not on that site :-) If it is a genuine problem, then
you need to badger away at your local council, and preferably get
support from your local cycling organisations.

Stricly speaking it's not my local council (I'm in Southwark and it's
in Lambeth) and does it being an A road in London make a difference?
Are TfL somehow involved?

They have their own streetfault site here
http://streetfaults.tfl.gov.uk/newfault.shtml

"Please use this site to report faults on roads and footways in
London. You can use it to report a wide variety of faults, from
potholes and faulty traffic lights, to abandoned vehicles and damaged
or missing signs.

TfL Street Management manages Red Routes in London, and the London
boroughs look after the other streets in their area. When you report a
fault we will decide whose responsibility it is and tell whoever
manages the road within 12 hours."

From that it seems that TfL are responsible for red routes and that
junction is on a red route...
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Phil Cook looking north over the park to the "Westminster Gasworks"

Phil Cook said:

What have they done with the phasing of the lights? Coming home at
about two there is now one almighty snarl up round the Oval and back
towards Vauxhall. I dread to think what it is like later on.

I haven't lived here long enough to notice a "before" state where the
lights were better, but I suppose that the Oval -> Camberwell New Road is
slightly less trafficed than the Kennington Park Road -> Clapham Road bit.
Fortunately the snarl-ups (which do often extend back to Vauxhall in the
evenings) aren't too problematic to bikes - I used a police van on blues
and twos as a pace-setter the other night going through there, and I kept
with him until up past the Oval...

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