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  1. I have a 20 year old Centurion Le Mans RS, which is a little beat up,
    but in decent shape mechanically. I'm deciding whether to refurbish it
    or to buy a new bike. I'll be riding the bike mainly to get in shape.
    If I can fix mine up cheaply,

    To do a refurb, I may want to repaint the frame, I was wondering what
    it typically costs to have a frame bead blasted and what the paint and
    supplies would cost (probably custom colors put into aerosol cans,
    since I don't own a compresser/paint sprayer).
    Is it fairly easy to get good results? Where can I buy decals (since
    Centurion is no longer, I'm not sure what decals I'd buy 😉?

    There are a few spots with a bit of rust where the paint has chipped.
    If I decide to use touch up paint, should these areas be sanded down to
    bare metal before applting the paint?

    Also, is the plastic disc that goes between the cassette and the wheel
    spokes necessary, or can/should it be removed?

  2. read "DIY paint removal" herein bike.tech

  3. may have said:

    I have a 20 year old Centurion Le Mans RS, which is a little beat up,
    but in decent shape mechanically. I'm deciding whether to refurbish it
    or to buy a new bike. I'll be riding the bike mainly to get in shape.
    If I can fix mine up cheaply,

    "Cheaply" is a term that is relative.

    Quoted message said:

    To do a refurb, I may want to repaint the frame, I was wondering what
    it typically costs to have a frame bead blasted and what the paint and
    supplies would cost (probably custom colors put into aerosol cans,
    since I don't own a compresser/paint sprayer).

    Depending on where you live, bead-blasting may be easy to get done or
    may be hard to find at all; environmental regulations tend to make all
    forms of paint removal costly in certain locales. If it's available
    at a reasonable cost, I would be surprised if the price was outside
    the range of $25-$50. A bike frame is a relatively large piece, and
    will not fit into the cabinet of the kind of blasting setup that is
    present in most machine shops, so you'll probaly have to shop around a
    bit to locate a place where it can be done. Be aware that cleaning
    the grit from the inside of the tubes afterwards is unlikely to be a
    completely successful activity; if you frequently store your bike
    inverted on ceiling hooks, it's very likely that grit from the
    blasting process will make its way into the upper steerer bearing, and
    you will definitely want to use only a sealed-cartridge BB. Overall,
    I would advise against blasting a frame for this and some other
    reasons.

    As for having paint canned in aerosol form, expect to spend over $30
    to have a single 16-oz can made, and be aware that like the problems
    with blasting, environmental regs have taken a lot of the most
    suitable paints off the market. You may fare better in this instance
    by talking to someone at a small, independent automotive paint and
    body shop; they'd have the equipment to shoot the frame quickly and
    easily.

    Those two things said, perhaps the better part of valor is to simply
    do a little spot touch-up and spend money on whatever mechanical bits
    need attention instead. You said you're riding this to get back in
    shape; is the appearance really all that important? New paint won't
    make the bike faster or easier to pedal.

    Quoted message said:

    Is it fairly easy to get good results?

    This depends on your level of skill and patience. For me, the answer
    is "yes", but I can't estimate what your efforts will produce.

    Quoted message said:

    Where can I buy decals (since
    Centurion is no longer, I'm not sure what decals I'd buy 😉?

    Check with sign-making companies in your area, and ask about cut vinyl
    decal production. Many of them will likely have the ability to
    produce one-off die-cut decals for a semi-reasonable sum, though it's
    usually cheaper if you can bring them the design you want in an
    electronic form. Be aware that they will probably want it in a
    specific graphics program file format, in what's called vector form.
    I have seen some bikes with such decals around here, including one at
    a local university whose owner was apparently equipped with a unique
    sense of humor; the bike had decals with "Gefickt" in the Fette
    Fraktur font used for official German documents.

    If bike theft is a problem in your area, consider camoflage decals
    misidentifying it as the least desirable brand available, perhaps
    Huffy. Or do without; like paint, the decals contribute nothing to
    the performance of the bike, after all...and don't forget that some
    custom frames come with no identifying marks.

    Quoted message said:

    There are a few spots with a bit of rust where the paint has chipped.
    If I decide to use touch up paint, should these areas be sanded down to
    bare metal before applting the paint?

    For the greatest permanence, yes. For the greatest ease of
    application, no. There are also chemical methods of rust removal,
    using products such as Naval Jelly, which do minimal damage to the
    surrounding paint.

    Quoted message said:

    Also, is the plastic disc that goes between the cassette and the wheel
    spokes necessary, or can/should it be removed?

    This is a matter of opinion. Its purpose is to protect the spokes
    from damage if the chain jumps past the big sprocket for some reason.
    Although in theory that shouldn't happen, in practice it very well
    may; without the plastic disc, the chain can chew up the spokes and
    leave them gouged in a manner that may cause them to fail later. I
    like to leave them on. I often find that they are difficult to
    replace, though, because the range of them available as spare parts is
    smaller than the range of possible applications.

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  4. Thanks very much for the helpful replies.

    Repainting sounds like more trouble than it's worth, especially for a
    bike that was entry level to begin with. I'll just do some touch up on
    this bike. I may look for a good used bike if I want to upgrade.

    One more question - my bike has stem shifters. Roughly what would it
    cost to have a shop install brake shifters?

  5. Anonymous said:

    I have a 20 year old Centurion Le Mans RS,
    which is a little beat up,
    but in decent shape mechanically. I'm deciding > whether to refurbish


    it

    Quoted message said:

    or to buy a new bike.

    Before investing too much money and effort, make sure there is no rust
    inside the frame. Also, make sure the frame fits you properly.

    On the other hand, if it fits and is in decent shape, it may make a
    great bike. My main ride is a 21 year old steel frame with a modern
    drivetrain.

    Quoted message said:

    There are a few spots with a bit of rust where > the paint has


    chipped.

    Quoted message said:

    If I decide to use touch up paint, should these > areas be sanded


    down to

    Quoted message said:

    bare metal before applting the paint?

    Definitely. I'd touch up the nicks, rather than repainting for now.

    Quoted message said:

    Also, is the plastic disc that goes between the > cassette and the


    wheel

    Quoted message said:

    spokes necessary, or can/should it be > removed?

    Might as well keep it. If the chain ever goes past the last cog, it
    will save you a load of grief. It weighs next to nothing. Don't worry
    about style points.

    Art Harris

  6. plin321 said:

    Thanks very much for the helpful replies.

    Repainting sounds like more trouble than it's worth, especially for a
    bike that was entry level to begin with. I'll just do some touch up on
    this bike. I may look for a good used bike if I want to upgrade.

    One more question - my bike has stem shifters. Roughly what would it
    cost to have a shop install brake shifters?

    It's a rather complicated situation. The "brake shifters", combination
    brake lever and shifter in one (STI for Shimano, Ergo for Campagnolo) are
    also indexed shifters (except for the front Campy), so they need to be
    matched to the brand and number of cogs in the rear. There are STI
    7-speed I believe, or at least there were. 8-speed is still available for
    Shimano, hard to find for Campy except at swap meets. If your derailleur
    is not a fairly modern version of one of these brands you are SOL.

    Then there is the price. New "brifters" cost around $200. Sheldon Brown
    (Harris Cyclery) has a nice deal ($130) on 7-speed Sora shifters if you
    have a compatible drivetrain. They also have a good price on 8-speed.
    Sora is not the best, but probably all you will find for these gears.

    You _might_ be able to make it work on a 6-speed system, but it will take
    some finagling. Using an old-style non-slat parallelogram derailleur will
    just not work, as would trying a Sun Tour or similar --- unless you are
    very lucky or very inventive.

    The way around the difficulties is to replace everything, derailleurs,
    rear hub, chain, cassette, lever/shifter combos, and possibly cranks.
    That would be about $500-$800 just for parts.

    The other way around it is to use something like downtube shifters, or
    bar-end shifters, which will cost you $20-$50.

    --

    David L. Johnson

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  7. may have said:

    Thanks very much for the helpful replies.

    Repainting sounds like more trouble than it's worth, especially for a
    bike that was entry level to begin with. I'll just do some touch up on
    this bike. I may look for a good used bike if I want to upgrade.

    One more question - my bike has stem shifters. Roughly what would it
    cost to have a shop install brake shifters?

    You would likely need to upgrade at least the derailleurs to do this.
    Your current setup is probably not compatible with brifters. The cost
    would be impacted by how much needed to be swapped out in order to
    make it work, what level of kit you selected, whether you could
    scrounge used bits.

    --
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  8. Quoted message said:

    Thanks very much for the helpful replies.

    Repainting sounds like more trouble than it's worth, especially for a
    bike that was entry level to begin with. I'll just do some touch up on
    this bike. I may look for a good used bike if I want to upgrade.

    One more question - my bike has stem shifters. Roughly what would it
    cost to have a shop install brake shifters?

    In Campagnolo, about:
    http://www.yellowjersey.org/ergokit.html

    About 30% higher at every level in Shimano

    --
    Andrew Muzi
    www.yellowjersey.org
    Open every day since 1 April, 1971

  9. Quoted message said:

    I have a 20 year old Centurion Le Mans RS, which is a little beat up,
    but in decent shape mechanically. I'm deciding whether to refurbish it
    or to buy a new bike. I'll be riding the bike mainly to get in shape.
    If I can fix mine up cheaply,

    Bottom line : Since this is a mid-level production bike, I wouldn't
    bother restoring it if it weighs more than 25 lbs. There is hardly a
    bike on the market today that weighs more than 25 lbs or rides worse
    than your bicycle.

    Any money put into this frameset and parts kit will be money down a
    rat-hole, unless you intend to part out the bike when you get done
    using it and want to sell. Rather than repaint your bike, have you
    considered investing $100 in a 531 double butted throughout frameset
    on ebay and starting from there ?

    - Don Gillies
    San Diego, CA

  10. A. Muzi said:
    Quoted message said:

    One more question - my bike has stem shifters. Roughly what would it
    cost to have a shop install brake shifters?

    In Campagnolo, about:
    http://www.yellowjersey.org/ergokit.html

    About 30% higher at every level in Shimano

    Are the corresponding levels level?

    --
    Benjamin Lewis

    I regret to say that we of the FBI are powerless to act in cases of
    oral-genital intimacy, unless it has in some way obstructed interstate
    commerce. -- J. Edgar Hoover

  11. Quoted message said:
    plin321 said:

    Thanks very much for the helpful replies.

    Repainting sounds like more trouble than it's worth, especially for a
    bike that was entry level to begin with. I'll just do some touch up on
    this bike. I may look for a good used bike if I want to upgrade.

    One more question - my bike has stem shifters. Roughly what would it
    cost to have a shop install brake shifters?

    David L. Johnson said:

    It's a rather complicated situation. The "brake shifters", combination
    brake lever and shifter in one (STI for Shimano, Ergo for Campagnolo) are
    also indexed shifters (except for the front Campy), so they need to be
    matched to the brand and number of cogs in the rear. There are STI
    7-speed I believe, or at least there were. 8-speed is still available for
    Shimano, hard to find for Campy except at swap meets. If your derailleur
    is not a fairly modern version of one of these brands you are SOL.

    Then there is the price. New "brifters" cost around $200. Sheldon Brown
    (Harris Cyclery) has a nice deal ($130) on 7-speed Sora shifters if you
    have a compatible drivetrain. They also have a good price on 8-speed.
    Sora is not the best, but probably all you will find for these gears.

    You _might_ be able to make it work on a 6-speed system, but it will take
    some finagling. Using an old-style non-slat parallelogram derailleur will
    just not work, as would trying a Sun Tour or similar --- unless you are
    very lucky or very inventive.

    The way around the difficulties is to replace everything, derailleurs,
    rear hub, chain, cassette, lever/shifter combos, and possibly cranks.
    That would be about $500-$800 just for parts.

    The other way around it is to use something like downtube shifters, or
    bar-end shifters, which will cost you $20-$50.

    Yes, that covers it so far as that goes. In the
    'professional bike shop' world, Mirage Ergos are $120 and
    not 'low rent' like $200 Sora, but with the identical index
    cam and springs as Record, complete project with labor from
    $485 - and more durable than Sora, too.

    --
    Andrew Muzi
    www.yellowjersey.org
    Open every day since 1 April, 1971

  12. "Werehatrack" wrote: (clip) You may fare better in this instance by
    talking to someone at a small, independent automotive paint and body shop;
    (clip)
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    If you can find a small shop with a friendly owner, maybe you could get him
    to shoot it while he is painting a car with a suitable color. Most of the
    labor is in setting up and cleaning up, so they might be willing to do it
    for a healthy tip (and no paper work.)

  13. Benjamin Lewis said:
    A. Muzi said:
    Quoted message said:

    One more question - my bike has stem shifters. Roughly what would it
    cost to have a shop install brake shifters?

    In Campagnolo, about:
    http://www.yellowjersey.org/ergokit.html

    About 30% higher at every level in Shimano

    Are the corresponding levels level?


    Yep.
    No titanium-carbon Shimano product equivalent to Record
    Cold forged aluminum Chorus and DA.
    etc
    etc

    --
    Andrew Muzi
    www.yellowjersey.org
    Open every day since 1 April, 1971

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