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  1. Hi,
    I've started riding - for the first time since childhood - not too long ago.
    I started as a means of exercise. I'm limited as to the methods of exercise
    in which I can participate because of a total hip replacement two years ago.

    I've been advised that riding and swimming will be kindest to the prosthesis
    as far as maintaining long-term viability. So, I'm (attempting to) ride. I
    have a way to go in the endurance department.

    To the bicycle question. Because of the prosthesis, I was advised to
    purchase a hybrid/comfort style bike in order to stay within the parameter
    of keeping at least a ninety-degree angle between my torso and thigh while
    riding. I did and have been as true to this restriction as possible. After
    a great two-year checkup, I've been told I could lower the angle to around
    80 degrees and above.

    Generally speaking, is it feasible/practical to attempt setting up a road
    bike to honor these restrictions? I'm tall (6'3"😉 and currently have an
    extra-large frame size Diamondback hybrid. However, I would like to get a
    lighter bike, more suitable to riding longer distances as my endurance
    increases Hence, the investigation into a road bike.

    I appreciate any information and/or help with my question.

    Thanks,
    Gary

  2. On Sun, 1 Aug 2004 23:37:26 -0400, "GaryT" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:


    Generally speaking, is it feasible/practical to attempt setting up a road
    bike to honor these restrictions? I'm tall (6'3"😉 and currently have an
    extra-large frame size Diamondback hybrid. However, I would like to get a
    lighter bike, more suitable to riding longer distances as my endurance
    increases Hence, the investigation into a road bike.

    I appreciate any information and/or help with my question.

    Thanks,
    Gary

    Seems pretty possible to me. Many road bikes are set up with a more
    upright position- usually called' sport' or 'comfort' or some such
    name, a level or two below the full race models. Looking at this Trek-

    http://www.trekbikes.com/bikes/2004/road/1800c.jsp

    looks like it could be adjusted to fit your needs. With a long steerer
    tube and spacers and various stems, it is possible to raise the bars
    and bring them back to lessen the amount of forward tilt in your
    pelvis. Look at this Trek-

    http://www.trekbikes.com/bikes/2004/road/1500.jsp

    and imagine the stem from the 1800 on the 1500. An easy swap to make
    at purchase, and then you can change the stem again as you are able to
    tilt forward more. (if you open the pages in two separate windows and
    click back and forth, you can see the changes pretty clearly- why I
    choose the trek site, but other companies have fine bikes)

    Sounds like you could use a really good bike shop that knows how to
    fit people and how to go over your position on a bike. And is willing
    to swap parts and make adjustments. Maybe remind them that more and
    more of their market is going to be people with limits just like yours
    as the population ages? 🙂

  3. "Dan Daniel" wrote: (clip)I appreciate any information and/or help with my
    question.
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    I had my right hip replaced last September, and I was urged to ride a
    stationary bike as part of the recovery therapy. As you know, there are a
    number of restrictions on your hip during recovery--the 90 degree angle is
    one of them. I was given to understand that this limit is relaxed as your
    hip heals and the muscles become strong again. It has nothing in particular
    to do with bicycles--it applies to tying your shoes, bending over to pick
    things up, and your movements in general. It seems to me that by now, after
    two years, you should be able to do just about anything you want. Of
    course, your case may be different than mine, so you should go by what your
    surgeon says.

    But, a couple of things I was warned about are worth mentioning. DO NOT
    take any bad falls. Your replacement hips are more easily broken than the
    originals. If you damage one of your new hips, the repair may be very tough
    For this reason, I no longer use my SPD pedals. I think it is important to
    be able to use your feet in an emergency.

    If you are required to observe the 90 degree limit, be sure your seat is not
    too low, and your crank arms are not too long.

    Ain't it wonderful to be back on a bike? And no more pain!

  4. "Leo Lichtman" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:


    But, a couple of things I was warned about are worth mentioning. DO NOT
    take any bad falls. Your replacement hips are more easily broken than the
    originals. If you damage one of your new hips, the repair may be very tough
    For this reason, I no longer use my SPD pedals. I think it is important to
    be able to use your feet in an emergency.

    I don't know about this. I think clipless pedals are mostly a safety feature.

    Two of my friends have had hip replacement, and another has had a knee done.
    They all are ultra-cyclists. One of the guys completed a
    Boston-Montreal-Boston (1200K/750 mi in < 90 hr) 8 months after surgery.

  5. "GaryT" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Hi,
    I've started riding - for the first time since childhood - not too long


    ago.

    Quoted message said:

    I started as a means of exercise. I'm limited as to the methods of


    exercise

    Quoted message said:

    in which I can participate because of a total hip replacement two years


    ago.

    Quoted message said:


    I've been advised that riding and swimming will be kindest to the


    prosthesis

    Quoted message said:

    as far as maintaining long-term viability. So, I'm (attempting to) ride.


    I

    Quoted message said:

    have a way to go in the endurance department.

    To the bicycle question. Because of the prosthesis, I was advised to
    purchase a hybrid/comfort style bike in order to stay within the parameter
    of keeping at least a ninety-degree angle between my torso and thigh while
    riding. I did and have been as true to this restriction as possible.


    After

    Quoted message said:

    a great two-year checkup, I've been told I could lower the angle to around
    80 degrees and above.

    Generally speaking, is it feasible/practical to attempt setting up a road
    bike to honor these restrictions? I'm tall (6'3"😉 and currently have an
    extra-large frame size Diamondback hybrid. However, I would like to get a
    lighter bike, more suitable to riding longer distances as my endurance
    increases Hence, the investigation into a road bike.

    I appreciate any information and/or help with my question.

    Thanks,
    Gary

    Congrats on being back on the bike.

    I think you need to get to a different doctor/surgeon for some more
    opinions. I think yours is a weenie. There are those who know about
    exercise and those who don't. I had my upper femoral lobe nearly severed
    when I was hit by a car while riding just under 2 years ago. Apparently, it
    was a tough decision for my doc between replacement and repair. She went
    the repair route. The downside, she said, was a much longer rehabilitation
    than a new hip would have required. But even with that longer rehab (and
    several other severe injuries, too), I was riding my racing bike on a
    trainer in six weeks. In five months, I rode my first century ... in VERY
    hilly terrain ... in under 5 hours. I was 47 at the time.

    I know my circumstances are somewhat different, but I know some doctors are
    overly-cautious weenies when it comes to stuff like this. You're never
    going to know your limits until you test them. Two years of babying your
    hip seems quite excessive to me.

    I know at least one guy I ride with sometimes who has an artificial hip. He
    rides mostly in the mountains 'cuz that's where he lives. He rides a racing
    bike. He's about 50. I haven't heard of him having any problems.

  6. GaryT said:

    Hi,
    I've started riding - for the first time since childhood - not too long ago.
    I started as a means of exercise. I'm limited as to the methods of exercise
    in which I can participate because of a total hip replacement two years ago.


    I have a friend of mine who got a total hip (left) and got back on his
    bike as soon as he could stand it. He reports no specific problems. He's
    also swimming. My my limited POV, his activity level increased due to
    him feeling better than before. He started on the bike within months of
    the total hip. YMMV.

    -paul

  7. "Dan Daniel" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    Seems pretty possible to me. Many road bikes are set up with a more
    upright position- usually called' sport' or 'comfort' or some such
    name, a level or two below the full race models. Looking at this Trek-

    http://www.trekbikes.com/bikes/2004/road/1800c.jsp

    looks like it could be adjusted to fit your needs. With a long steerer
    tube and spacers and various stems, it is possible to raise the bars
    and bring them back to lessen the amount of forward tilt in your
    pelvis. Look at this Trek-

    http://www.trekbikes.com/bikes/2004/road/1500.jsp

    and imagine the stem from the 1800 on the 1500. An easy swap to make
    at purchase, and then you can change the stem again as you are able to
    tilt forward more. (if you open the pages in two separate windows and
    click back and forth, you can see the changes pretty clearly- why I
    choose the trek site, but other companies have fine bikes)

    Those are very nice rides. Thanks for the links. I've been looking at the
    Giant OCR-3, the Specialized Sirrus, and the Scattante R550. All of these
    have compact geometry. The Scattante seems like it offers good value.

    Quoted message said:

    Sounds like you could use a really good bike shop that knows how to
    fit people and how to go over your position on a bike. And is willing
    to swap parts and make adjustments. Maybe remind them that more and
    more of their market is going to be people with limits just like yours
    as the population ages? 🙂


    I've been to a couple - both have "Fit Kit" but I haven't made use of it
    just yet. I'm also consulting with a couple of cyclists from the local bike
    club. I don't know if the "...limits like yours as the population ages,"
    argument will hold much water at the bike shop. I'm only 38 at the moment -
    had my hip replaced at 36!! : )

    Gary

  8. "Leo Lichtman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "Dan Daniel" wrote: (clip)I appreciate any information and/or help with


    my

    Quoted message said:

    question.
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    I had my right hip replaced last September, and I was urged to ride a
    stationary bike as part of the recovery therapy. As you know, there are a
    number of restrictions on your hip during recovery--the 90 degree angle is
    one of them. I was given to understand that this limit is relaxed as your
    hip heals and the muscles become strong again. It has nothing in


    particular

    Quoted message said:

    to do with bicycles--it applies to tying your shoes, bending over to pick
    things up, and your movements in general. It seems to me that by now,


    after

    Quoted message said:

    two years, you should be able to do just about anything you want. Of
    course, your case may be different than mine, so you should go by what


    your

    Quoted message said:

    surgeon says.

    I also did the stationary bikes, along with other resistance and
    weight-based therapy. I rehabbed like a maniac once I was given the
    go-ahead. I had a six week period with a "no weight bearing restriction."
    My prosthesis attached via bone in-growth, not with any type of cement.

    The restrictions were relaxed after the rehab was "complete." However, I
    believe a lot of my surgeons caution stems from the fact that I was 36 when
    the hip was replaced. Additionally, my prosthesis is 100 percent Titanium
    Alloy - no urethane cups lining the socket. The prognosis is a three to
    four decade life for the prosthesis, which would put me in my late 60's to
    late 70's. However, I've dropped all of my prior impact-type
    activities(i.e. basketball, volleyball, running, etc...) The only 100
    percent doctor-approved forms of exercise are swimming and riding.

    To be honest, range of motion is not significantly different from my
    natural, right hip. As far as riding goes, I believe, in addition to the
    cautions previously mentioned, it is a combination of the potential force
    applied on difficult grades or in lower gears plus putting the angle of the
    femur head inside the "natural" 15 degree position for an extended period of
    time.

    Quoted message said:

    But, a couple of things I was warned about are worth mentioning. DO NOT
    take any bad falls. Your replacement hips are more easily broken than the
    originals. If you damage one of your new hips, the repair may be very


    tough

    Quoted message said:

    For this reason, I no longer use my SPD pedals. I think it is important


    to

    Quoted message said:

    be able to use your feet in an emergency.

    If you are required to observe the 90 degree limit, be sure your seat is


    not

    Quoted message said:

    too low, and your crank arms are not too long.


    With my prosthesis, dislocation is the major threat. However, because of
    the long-term nature of it, my "risky" activities are long gone.

    Quoted message said:

    Ain't it wonderful to be back on a bike? And no more pain!


    That is very true. I walked around in pain for a number of years; hobbled
    into the hospital on a cane and woke up in recovery completely pain-free.
    My first words in recovery were "I feel no pain in my hip. None!"

  9. "psycholist" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Congrats on being back on the bike.

    I think you need to get to a different doctor/surgeon for some more
    opinions. I think yours is a weenie. There are those who know about
    exercise and those who don't.

    I know what you're saying, but that's not the case here. She's not trying
    to put a blanket restriction on all types of activity. I mentioned the
    reasons in a reply to another post for the caution. This particular caution
    is also very "cycling-oriented." Although, I do curtail my activities
    because of the expected long-life of my prosthesis.

    Quoted message said:

    I had my upper femoral lobe nearly severed
    when I was hit by a car while riding just under 2 years ago. Apparently,


    it

    Quoted message said:

    was a tough decision for my doc between replacement and repair. She went
    the repair route. The downside, she said, was a much longer


    rehabilitation

    Quoted message said:

    than a new hip would have required. But even with that longer rehab (and
    several other severe injuries, too), I was riding my racing bike on a
    trainer in six weeks. In five months, I rode my first century ... in VERY
    hilly terrain ... in under 5 hours. I was 47 at the time.

    From my lengthy experience with joint degeneration/damage, repair is nearly
    always preferable to replacement - as long as the repair leaves the chance
    of regaining a significant percentage of pre-injury/condition capability.
    Of course, I'm not a doctor; I just try to quote one on Usenet! : ) The
    only real downer of post-surgery for me was the lengthy rehab period due to
    the initial 6 week, no weight-bearing period. I was amazed how much muscles
    atrophy in six weeks.

    Quoted message said:

    I know my circumstances are somewhat different, but I know some doctors


    are

    Quoted message said:

    overly-cautious weenies when it comes to stuff like this. You're never
    going to know your limits until you test them. Two years of babying your
    hip seems quite excessive to me.


    I'm sure some are - whether by nature or by fear of legal action. I haven't
    babied the hip. I was back to "normal" activity once I completed rehab.
    But, I won't take any unecessary risks - including impact activities -
    considering it has to last 30 to 40 years. I was without much use of the
    hip for years. I have no desire to go that route again. Low quality of
    life sucks. Especially when you have two young boys.

    I'm glad your injuries have healed well and allow you to participate in
    activities you enjoy. Have fun and take care of yourself.

    Gary

  10. "GaryT" wrote: (clip)My first words in recovery were "I feel no pain in my
    hip. None!"
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^
    I remember saying that, too. I didn't realize, however, that was due to the
    morphine.

  11. "Leo Lichtman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "GaryT" wrote: (clip)My first words in recovery were "I feel no pain in my
    hip. None!"
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^
    I remember saying that, too. I didn't realize, however, that was due to


    the

    Quoted message said:

    morphine.


    "mmmmmm. morphine."

    Wasn't it great, though, once the tissue healed from the surgery, not having
    the joint pain?

  12. On Mon, 2 Aug 2004 19:49:32 -0400, "GaryT" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Sounds like you could use a really good bike shop that knows how to
    fit people and how to go over your position on a bike. And is willing
    to swap parts and make adjustments. Maybe remind them that more and
    more of their market is going to be people with limits just like yours
    as the population ages? 🙂


    I've been to a couple - both have "Fit Kit" but I haven't made use of it
    just yet. I'm also consulting with a couple of cyclists from the local bike
    club. I don't know if the "...limits like yours as the population ages,"
    argument will hold much water at the bike shop. I'm only 38 at the moment -
    had my hip replaced at 36!! : )

    Gary

    Hmmm.. I wonder if you'd be better off with more than what your
    typical bike shop will offer in fitting? Have you talked to a sports
    physiologist or someone in physical therapy? They might be much more
    sophisticated in understanding angles and joint limitations, etc.

    As to the age... I bet more and more people are going to be undergoing
    such surgeries at younger and younger ages. About 10 years ago, I knew
    someone who had a knee replacement. Basically she was *old* enough
    that the odds were good that she wouldn't live long enough for the
    knee to fail. With improvements in materials and more knowledge of
    failure, I bet that they start doing more joint replacements at
    younger ages.

    Glad the hip feels better and you're out and about. I know people who
    put off knee surgery into their late 30s or 40s, and once it was over
    with they wondered why they had waited so long.

  13. "GaryT" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "psycholist" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Congrats on being back on the bike.

    I think you need to get to a different doctor/surgeon for some more
    opinions. I think yours is a weenie. There are those who know about
    exercise and those who don't.

    I know what you're saying, but that's not the case here. She's not trying
    to put a blanket restriction on all types of activity. I mentioned the
    reasons in a reply to another post for the caution. This particular


    caution

    Quoted message said:

    is also very "cycling-oriented." Although, I do curtail my activities
    because of the expected long-life of my prosthesis.

    Quoted message said:

    I had my upper femoral lobe nearly severed
    when I was hit by a car while riding just under 2 years ago.


    Apparently,

    Quoted message said:

    it

    Quoted message said:

    was a tough decision for my doc between replacement and repair. She


    went

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    the repair route. The downside, she said, was a much longer


    rehabilitation

    Quoted message said:

    than a new hip would have required. But even with that longer rehab


    (and

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    several other severe injuries, too), I was riding my racing bike on a
    trainer in six weeks. In five months, I rode my first century ... in


    VERY

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    hilly terrain ... in under 5 hours. I was 47 at the time.

    From my lengthy experience with joint degeneration/damage, repair is


    nearly

    Quoted message said:

    always preferable to replacement - as long as the repair leaves the chance
    of regaining a significant percentage of pre-injury/condition capability.
    Of course, I'm not a doctor; I just try to quote one on Usenet! : ) The
    only real downer of post-surgery for me was the lengthy rehab period due


    to

    Quoted message said:

    the initial 6 week, no weight-bearing period. I was amazed how much


    muscles

    Quoted message said:

    atrophy in six weeks.

    Quoted message said:

    I know my circumstances are somewhat different, but I know some doctors


    are

    Quoted message said:

    overly-cautious weenies when it comes to stuff like this. You're never
    going to know your limits until you test them. Two years of babying


    your

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    hip seems quite excessive to me.


    I'm sure some are - whether by nature or by fear of legal action. I


    haven't

    Quoted message said:

    babied the hip. I was back to "normal" activity once I completed rehab.
    But, I won't take any unecessary risks - including impact activities -
    considering it has to last 30 to 40 years. I was without much use of the
    hip for years. I have no desire to go that route again. Low quality of
    life sucks. Especially when you have two young boys.

    I'm glad your injuries have healed well and allow you to participate in
    activities you enjoy. Have fun and take care of yourself.

    Gary

    Gary,

    After I wrote that post, I considered that I was in tip-top shape when a car
    suddenly broke my hip. So I had quite a jump, as far as rehab goes, over
    someone who had to deal with a long, steady degeneration.

    I'm glad you're back on the bike and I hope it all goes well.

    Now I'll tell you a little story about a radical road bike setup. I have a
    friend who was really getting into racing last year. He slipped a disc in
    his back quite seriously over the winter. He was off the bike and really
    suffering for the entire late winter and spring. But he was aching to ride.
    He couldn't handle being bent over the bars, but he came up with an
    ingenious solution. He used strap clamps (the little silver bands with
    grooves cut into them that tighten when you turn a screw) to attach a second
    set of drop-style handlebars atop the main set. He moved the
    brakes/shifters to the new set. He looks just plain ridiculous, but he can
    ride all day on that thing and that's just what he's doing. And he comes
    out on our Thursday night rides and kicks butt.

    Where there's a will, there's a way.

    Best to you on your recovery!

    Bob C.

  14. "Dan Daniel" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    Hmmm.. I wonder if you'd be better off with more than what your
    typical bike shop will offer in fitting? Have you talked to a sports
    physiologist or someone in physical therapy? They might be much more
    sophisticated in understanding angles and joint limitations, etc.


    I'm hoping my surgeons consultation results in some information and
    recommendations of this type. If I'm not satisfied, there is an excellent
    sports medicine complex in the area. I don't believe I'll be disappointed
    though. My surgeon is top notch and everything has been as perfect as could
    be expected.

    Quoted message said:

    As to the age... I bet more and more people are going to be undergoing
    such surgeries at younger and younger ages. About 10 years ago, I knew
    someone who had a knee replacement. Basically she was *old* enough
    that the odds were good that she wouldn't live long enough for the
    knee to fail. With improvements in materials and more knowledge of
    failure, I bet that they start doing more joint replacements at
    younger ages.

    This is true. I'm seeing it in my area. The advancement in materials,
    machining processes and surgical techniques have made the prostheses much
    more durable, more natural in their integration and the surgery much less
    invasive. The main benefit that came from my delaying surgery was the
    opportunity to be fitted with an all Titanium Alloy prosthesis - with no
    urethane cup in the socket to wear out - that has an expected life of 30 -
    40 years.

    Quoted message said:


    Glad the hip feels better and you're out and about. I know people who
    put off knee surgery into their late 30s or 40s, and once it was over
    with they wondered why they had waited so long.

    That is very true. My quality of life had gotten so bad, and I was
    "waiting" to have the surgery because of my age. I'm actually glad mine had
    deteriorated rather quickly because the relief was so great and the
    improvement in quality of life so dramatic, I'm glad I didn't continue on in
    that state for possibly years longer.

    As for the knees, every source I've heard from, as well as folks who have
    had the knee replacement seems to indicate that recovery from that is longer
    and trickier than from the hip. I'm very thankful I have two perfectly good
    knees.

    Gary

  15. "psycholist" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    Gary,

    After I wrote that post, I considered that I was in tip-top shape when a


    car

    Quoted message said:

    suddenly broke my hip. So I had quite a jump, as far as rehab goes, over
    someone who had to deal with a long, steady degeneration.


    Regardless, it's always a lot of hard work to recover from these types of
    conditions. Being on the bike as soon as you were shows how hard you worked
    at rehabilitation. I actually work with a young man six years younger than
    myself who had a hip replaced the same year I did due to AVN. He didn't
    follow any rehab schedule and has a very pronounced limp and some joint pain
    still today.

    Quoted message said:

    I'm glad you're back on the bike and I hope it all goes well.


    Oh, the hip is great. I couldn't imagine it being any better. I'm just
    determined to find a setup on a lighter, more nimble road bike that will
    work with the least risk.

    Quoted message said:

    Now I'll tell you a little story about a radical road bike setup. I have


    a

    Quoted message said:

    friend who was really getting into racing last year. He slipped a disc in
    his back quite seriously over the winter. He was off the bike and really
    suffering for the entire late winter and spring. But he was aching to


    ride.

    Quoted message said:

    He couldn't handle being bent over the bars, but he came up with an
    ingenious solution. He used strap clamps (the little silver bands with
    grooves cut into them that tighten when you turn a screw) to attach a


    second

    Quoted message said:

    set of drop-style handlebars atop the main set. He moved the
    brakes/shifters to the new set. He looks just plain ridiculous, but he


    can

    Quoted message said:

    ride all day on that thing and that's just what he's doing. And he comes
    out on our Thursday night rides and kicks butt.


    That's great! You gotta love the person who finds a way to feed his
    passions. I don't know if I ever would have thought of doing this. The
    only idea I had along the lines of altering the handlebars was going to some
    type of straight or riser bar with an adjustable stem on one of the road
    bikes with compact geometry I've checked out.

    Quoted message said:

    Where there's a will, there's a way.

    Best to you on your recovery!

    Bob C.


    Ain't it the truth. Thanks very much for the well wishes and suggestions.
    I appreciate it greatly.

    Gary

  16. FWIW, I have had a hip replaced, and found that a comfort bike, even "properly
    fitted" still gave too much impact.

    I changed to a full suspension bike - MUCH more comfortable.

    RRon
    [email hidden]

  17. "GaryT" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "psycholist" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    Gary,

    After I wrote that post, I considered that I was in tip-top shape when a


    car

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    suddenly broke my hip. So I had quite a jump, as far as rehab goes,


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    someone who had to deal with a long, steady degeneration.


    Regardless, it's always a lot of hard work to recover from these types of
    conditions. Being on the bike as soon as you were shows how hard you


    worked

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    at rehabilitation. I actually work with a young man six years younger


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    myself who had a hip replaced the same year I did due to AVN. He didn't
    follow any rehab schedule and has a very pronounced limp and some joint


    pain

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    still today.

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    I'm glad you're back on the bike and I hope it all goes well.


    Oh, the hip is great. I couldn't imagine it being any better. I'm just
    determined to find a setup on a lighter, more nimble road bike that will
    work with the least risk.

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    Now I'll tell you a little story about a radical road bike setup. I


    have

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    friend who was really getting into racing last year. He slipped a disc


    in

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    his back quite seriously over the winter. He was off the bike and


    really

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    suffering for the entire late winter and spring. But he was aching to


    ride.

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    He couldn't handle being bent over the bars, but he came up with an
    ingenious solution. He used strap clamps (the little silver bands with
    grooves cut into them that tighten when you turn a screw) to attach a


    second

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    set of drop-style handlebars atop the main set. He moved the
    brakes/shifters to the new set. He looks just plain ridiculous, but he


    can

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    ride all day on that thing and that's just what he's doing. And he


    comes

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    out on our Thursday night rides and kicks butt.


    That's great! You gotta love the person who finds a way to feed his
    passions. I don't know if I ever would have thought of doing this. The
    only idea I had along the lines of altering the handlebars was going to


    some

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    type of straight or riser bar with an adjustable stem on one of the road
    bikes with compact geometry I've checked out.

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    Where there's a will, there's a way.

    Best to you on your recovery!

    Bob C.


    Ain't it the truth. Thanks very much for the well wishes and suggestions.
    I appreciate it greatly.

    Gary

    Gary,

    There's a lesson in this dialog that might be worth passing along. In a
    case where gradual degeneration has led to the need for a hip replacement,
    there's obviously no choice in the matter. In my case, where the hip
    problem was the result of trauma, my orthopedic surgeon faced a decision
    whether to try to repair or replace the hip. I remember her telling me
    about this, but it was after the fact, so it was kinda irrelevant to me.
    But from this dialog, I'm awakening to the issue involved. I remember my
    her saying she debated with herself which way to go 'cuz there was so little
    of the bone that was not severed. But she decided that, since I was so
    healthy and so active, she'd try to save the hip, knowing that would be
    stronger and longer lasting if it worked. I have three enormous titanium
    screws holding things together. There was a significant concern about
    avascular necrosis, but it never materialized and I healed up quite nicely.
    I wouldn't say my hip is as good as ever, but it's awfully close.

    My point in sharing this is that, if anyone has a trauma situation and is
    faced with a choice whether or not to repair or replace the hip, you'll be
    better off going the repair route ... if it works. The original bone with
    titanium reinforcement is stronger and lasts longer. Rehabilitation takes
    longer because the broken bone has to heal. And if avascular necrosis
    happens, you'll be going in again for the replacement in only a year or two.
    This isn't a huge risk, but it's there. With replacement, the
    rehabilitation is said to be faster (though I haven't heard of anyone
    getting through it any faster than I did with my repair), but longevity of
    the artificial joint is an issue. I believe you said 30 to 40 years. I
    thought I was told more like 20 years ... but that may have been what the
    doc told me I could expect since I'm such a cycling fool.

    FWIW, my broken hip came at almost the same time and involved precisely the
    same repair as what Floyd Landis had. I presume you watched Floyd pacing
    Lance up those mountains two weeks ago. That's about 18 months out from his
    surgery.

    Bob C.

  18. Bob C. said:

    In my case, where the hip
    problem was the result of trauma, my orthopedic surgeon faced a decision
    whether to try to repair or replace the hip. I remember her telling me
    about this, but it was after the fact, so it was kinda irrelevant to me.
    But from this dialog, I'm awakening to the issue involved. I remember my
    her saying she debated with herself which way to go 'cuz there was so little
    of the bone that was not severed. But she decided that, since I was so
    healthy and so active, she'd try to save the hip, knowing that would be
    stronger and longer lasting if it worked. I have three enormous titanium
    screws holding things together. There was a significant concern about
    avascular necrosis, but it never materialized and I healed up quite nicely.
    I wouldn't say my hip is as good as ever, but it's awfully close.

    My hip experience mirrors yours almost exactly, except I have 5
    screws instead of 3. My doctor had the same concerns as yours: bone
    broken into 4 pieces, risk of avascular necrosis, but since I was so
    active, he went with the repair over replacement. I notice no
    trouble with the hip today, except a twinge once in a while and some
    reduced flexibility.

    http://www.terrymorse.com/personal/hip0212/images/hipxray.jpg

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    FWIW, my broken hip came at almost the same time and involved precisely the
    same repair as what Floyd Landis had. I presume you watched Floyd pacing
    Lance up those mountains two weeks ago. That's about 18 months out from his
    surgery.

    It's been 19 months since my surgery. I did the Grizzly Century (100
    mi. 10,000 ft.) 10 months later. I just completed the Climb To
    Kaiser last Saturday (155 miles, 14000+ ft.), in under 10 hours of
    riding time. No hip troubles to speak of during that ride, which
    included some 20% grades.
    --
    terry morse Palo Alto, CA http://bike.terrymorse.com/

  19. "psycholist" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Gary,

    There's a lesson in this dialog that might be worth passing along. In a
    case where gradual degeneration has led to the need for a hip replacement,
    there's obviously no choice in the matter. In my case, where the hip
    problem was the result of trauma, my orthopedic surgeon faced a decision
    whether to try to repair or replace the hip. I remember her telling me
    about this, but it was after the fact, so it was kinda irrelevant to me.
    But from this dialog, I'm awakening to the issue involved. I remember my
    her saying she debated with herself which way to go 'cuz there was so


    little

    Quoted message said:

    of the bone that was not severed. But she decided that, since I was so
    healthy and so active, she'd try to save the hip, knowing that would be
    stronger and longer lasting if it worked. I have three enormous titanium
    screws holding things together. There was a significant concern about
    avascular necrosis, but it never materialized and I healed up quite


    nicely.

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    I wouldn't say my hip is as good as ever, but it's awfully close.


    The miracle of modern medicine! Since I've been dealing with my condition,
    I've just been amazed at what can be accomplished by a skillful surgeon and
    a determined patient.

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    My point in sharing this is that, if anyone has a trauma situation and is
    faced with a choice whether or not to repair or replace the hip, you'll be
    better off going the repair route ... if it works. The original bone with
    titanium reinforcement is stronger and lasts longer. Rehabilitation takes
    longer because the broken bone has to heal. And if avascular necrosis
    happens, you'll be going in again for the replacement in only a year or


    two.

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    This isn't a huge risk, but it's there.

    Amen to that. Original equipment trumps after-market whenever it's
    possible!

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    With replacement, the
    rehabilitation is said to be faster (though I haven't heard of anyone
    getting through it any faster than I did with my repair), but longevity of
    the artificial joint is an issue. I believe you said 30 to 40 years. I
    thought I was told more like 20 years ... but that may have been what the
    doc told me I could expect since I'm such a cycling fool.


    No, you were probably told that. However, the vast majority of total hip's
    involve a prosthesis with some type of "plastic" cup in the socket portion
    of the prosthesis. This is what is usually replaced when revision surgeries
    become necessary. For a young, active individual, everything I was told and
    have read pointed to a ten to twenty year "life" for the prosthesis.

    I have a 100% Titanium Alloy prosthesis. There is no urethane cup in the
    socket. Metallurgy and machining processes have finally progressed enough
    that friction between the two metal surfaces is negligible; negating the
    need for the "cup." Since there is no cup, this component won't be wearing
    out in ten to twenty years.

    The life of my prosthesis is an expected thirty to forty years. At the
    point, it has worn beyond "tolerable" use, the socket portion will be
    replaced with a slightly larger socket. Bone grafts will be used to aid in
    holding the new socket in place - a similar process to replacing loose
    appliances today. Assuming nothing speeds up this process, I will be in my
    late '60's to mid- or late-70's. Also, there is the chance over this time
    that new surgical procedures and materials may dictate a totally different
    approach.

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    FWIW, my broken hip came at almost the same time and involved precisely


    the

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    same repair as what Floyd Landis had. I presume you watched Floyd pacing
    Lance up those mountains two weeks ago. That's about 18 months out from


    his

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    surgery.


    Wow, that's amazing. I actually didn't know he had recovered from such an
    injury. Again, it's a testament to modern medicine and the human will - as
    corny as that can sound.

    Gary

  20. "Terry Morse" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    My hip experience mirrors yours almost exactly, except I have 5
    screws instead of 3. My doctor had the same concerns as yours: bone
    broken into 4 pieces, risk of avascular necrosis, but since I was so
    active, he went with the repair over replacement. I notice no
    trouble with the hip today, except a twinge once in a while and some
    reduced flexibility.

    http://www.terrymorse.com/personal/hip0212/images/hipxray.jpg


    As an aside, my boys(5 and 9 years old) think the x-rays of my hip - before
    and after surgery - are very cool. They've been to "Show and Tell!"

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    It's been 19 months since my surgery. I did the Grizzly Century (100
    mi. 10,000 ft.) 10 months later. I just completed the Climb To
    Kaiser last Saturday (155 miles, 14000+ ft.), in under 10 hours of
    riding time. No hip troubles to speak of during that ride, which
    included some 20% grades.
    --


    That's wonderful. Congratulations on such a successful recovery. I would
    love to pursue the same aggressive pursuits. My concerns lie in the effect
    of "impact" activities on the bearing surfaces - speeding up the "wear and
    tear" and in the risk of dislocation which can also damage the bearing
    surfaces. If I expected a revision surgery in ten to twenty years anyway, I
    may not be as cautious. However, I need to allow my prosthesis to wear as
    "planned" and give it the chance to last as expected. Which is
    significantly longer than most prostheses in use today.

    Good luck with future rides and take care of yourself.

    Gary

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