RR: new (to me) move

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It's something of a relief to have my first endo out of the way. I'm not
an athletic person at all (it's actually a minor miracle I can even ride a
bike), and I know that everybody goes OTB at some point, & I've been
dreading it. I just wish I knew what I did, so I could learn from it.
The events between being on my bike & looking at the root and then being
6" from the ground & hitting it are completely gone from my memory.

I'd also like to know how in Sam Hill I got dirt *in* my shorts. :P

gabrielle

Welcome to the (exclusive) club ;-)

Glad you didn't break any bones.

--
Slacker

gabrielle said:

Earlier this week, I replaced the Conti Verts I've been riding for the
past year with the Panaracer dart-smoke combo.

Wow, they still make them?

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Today I figured I'd put
them through their full paces on my usual Friday Happy Hour jaunt through
Post Canyon. Everything was going well, I was climbing hills easily that
usually give me problems, riding some new bridges, etc. In a couple of
places, I could almost feel the tires pulling me up the hill. 🙂 I never
thought I'd be a good enough rider to differentiate the performance of one
tire from another.

Hmm...

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I'd also like to know how in Sam Hill I got dirt *in* my shorts. :P

If you slide at all (almost inevitable) dirt will get in there.

BTW, your buddy Sam Hill is currently 2nd in the DH World Cup standings 🙂

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Earlier this week, I replaced the Conti Verts I've been riding for the
past year with the Panaracer dart-smoke combo. Today I figured I'd put
them through their full paces on my usual Friday Happy Hour jaunt through
Post Canyon. Everything was going well, I was climbing hills easily that
usually give me problems, riding some new bridges, etc. In a couple of
places, I could almost feel the tires pulling me up the hill. 🙂 I never
thought I'd be a good enough rider to differentiate the performance of one
tire from another.

Then, disaster struck. OK, so it was only a minor disaster. On a mostly
flat section of trail, I went over a tree root + short drop (like maybe 6
or 8 inches) that I've ridden at least fifty times before. All of a
sudden, I got this weird feeling that something wasn't right: I was
approaching the ground at a rather alarming rate and was about to
experience the impact portion of my first endo.

I lay on the ground for a moment, freaking out, convinced I'd broken my
collarbone. Then I decided I was just fine except for the major charlie
horses in my thighs where they'd hit the bars. (Bruise photos will be
posted once they get their full color, which shouldn't take too much
longer.)

I called this "the Gilooly". (I am in Oregon, after all. 😉 )

Of course, this had to happen at almost exactly the halfway mark of my
ride. Riding home sucked. I could barely move my legs & I was freaking
out about every little obstacle.

It's something of a relief to have my first endo out of the way. I'm not
an athletic person at all (it's actually a minor miracle I can even ride a
bike), and I know that everybody goes OTB at some point, & I've been
dreading it. I just wish I knew what I did, so I could learn from it.
The events between being on my bike & looking at the root and then being
6" from the ground & hitting it are completely gone from my memory.

I'd also like to know how in Sam Hill I got dirt *in* my shorts. :P

gabrielle

Welcome to the club. It NEVER gets easier and only hurts more as you get
older!!

I think I've had about 5 endos in my whole 5 years of mtb'ng. The common
theme in every
single one was first surprise that it happened then the surprise that I
didn't actually hurt anything.
er...... except that time when I actually busted my collar bone. But I was
STILL surprised!

Marty

On 2004-07-10, gabrielle penned:

Quoted message said:

Earlier this week, I replaced the Conti Verts I've been riding for the
past year with the Panaracer dart-smoke combo. Today I figured I'd
put them through their full paces on my usual Friday Happy Hour jaunt
through Post Canyon. Everything was going well, I was climbing hills
easily that usually give me problems, riding some new bridges, etc.
In a couple of places, I could almost feel the tires pulling me up the
hill. 🙂 I never thought I'd be a good enough rider to differentiate
the performance of one tire from another.

Cool!

Eric's bike originally came with the smoke and dart, aeons ago. He's
gone back to them recently. Also, Performance had a really good price
on them a few weeks ago.

[snip disaster]

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Of course, this had to happen at almost exactly the halfway mark of my
ride. Riding home sucked. I could barely move my legs & I was
freaking out about every little obstacle.

Yup. I like to have riding companions so at least I can get a little
sympathy when I'm in pain. Then again, if I always waited till I could
find people to ride with, I wouldn't go much at all.

How's your head?

You know, it's cool that you continued to ride. Being scared and alone
can really do a number on your confidence.

I'd definitely go back to that spot, with friends if that's what you
need. The sooner you go back and do it well, the better.

Quoted message said:

It's something of a relief to have my first endo out of the way. I'm
not an athletic person at all (it's actually a minor miracle I can
even ride a bike), and I know that everybody goes OTB at some point, &
I've been dreading it. I just wish I knew what I did, so I could
learn from it. The events between being on my bike & looking at the
root and then being 6" from the ground & hitting it are completely
gone from my memory.

Well, if we apply Occam's Razor, you probably either had your body too
far forward or used your brakes while going over the obstacle.

If we don't use Occam ... maybe aliens swooped in, picked you up, and
dropped you on your head? Maybe a bee stung you, but your miraculous
healing powers eliminated the pain by the time you became aware?

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I'd also like to know how in Sam Hill I got dirt *in* my shorts. :P

Very skillfully, I'm sure =P

I think, according to Bomba's definitions, I've had one true Endo and a
couple of "stem shags" followed by the "scorpion." Such colorful
language!

--
monique

On 2004-07-10, bomba penned:

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gabrielle said:

Earlier this week, I replaced the Conti Verts I've been riding for
the past year with the Panaracer dart-smoke combo.

Wow, they still make them?

Smoke:
http://www.performancebike.com/shop/profile.cfm?SKU=15603

Dart:
http://www.performancebike.com/shop/profile.cfm?SKU=15488

Both nicely on sale!

There's also a non-classic smoke; I don't know quite what that means.

--
monique

Monique Y. Mudama said:

On 2004-07-10, gabrielle penned:

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Quoted message said:

Of course, this had to happen at almost exactly the halfway mark of my
ride. Riding home sucked. I could barely move my legs & I was
freaking out about every little obstacle.

Yup. I like to have riding companions so at least I can get a little
sympathy when I'm in pain. Then again, if I always waited till I could
find people to ride with, I wouldn't go much at all.

Exactly my dilemma. Even though this year I have a roster of 5 or so
people to call, actual schedule alignments only occur 50-75% of the
time. (This is still better than last year.) I spent last night thinking
about what would have happened if I'd busted my neck. :P

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How's your head?

Uhhhhggggg. Thank god we have a hot tub is all I can say. I feel like I
got hit by a truck!!! Of course that could be due to my choice of
medication last night. 😉

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You know, it's cool that you continued to ride. Being scared and alone
can really do a number on your confidence.

Well I dabbed more times than the first time I rode that section, believe
me. There was no other way I was getting out of there though, which can be
a huge incentive. Usually there are dozens of people back there on Friday
evenings; last night I saw 4.

Quoted message said:

I'd definitely go back to that spot, with friends if that's what you
need. The sooner you go back and do it well, the better.

That's what I'm thinking. I hope I can ride later on today. My right
quad doesn't seem to be getting the "contract/release" messages necessary
for walking, much less something more complex.

Quoted message said:

Well, if we apply Occam's Razor, you probably either had your body too
far forward or used your brakes while going over the obstacle.

If we don't use Occam ... maybe aliens swooped in, picked you up, and
dropped you on your head? Maybe a bee stung you, but your miraculous
healing powers eliminated the pain by the time you became aware?

I love it!!! 🙂

Quoted message said:

I think, according to Bomba's definitions, I've had one true Endo and a
couple of "stem shags" followed by the "scorpion." Such colorful
language!

Hee hee, I had to look those up. "stem shag" sounds like it would
really hurt - I think I'll stick with the gilooly. 🙂

gabrielle

Slacker said:

Welcome to the (exclusive) club ;-)

Thanks! The welcome kit for this one is an ice pack, tube of arnica, and
your choice of painkillers, right? 🙂

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Glad you didn't break any bones.

One of the first things I saw when I realized it was happening was my arms
out & ready to brace. I thought "You bleepin' idiot!! Get your
arms back in!" I doubt that message actually made it out to my
hands, but I managed to land on my side & shoulder. That arm sure
hurts today, but a lot less than the alternative.

I really wish I'd learned to fall correctly as a kid. Wiping out wouldn't
scare me half as much if I knew I wasn't going to try something stupid on
my way down.

gabrielle

bomba said:

gabrielle said:

Earlier this week, I replaced the Conti Verts I've been riding for the
past year with the Panaracer dart-smoke combo.

Wow, they still make them?

Yepper. I wanted to try something other than the Contis to see if I could
tell the difference.

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I'd also like to know how in Sam Hill I got dirt *in* my shorts. :P

If you slide at all (almost inevitable) dirt will get in there.

This little escapade fashionable covered me in dirt, leaves, & moss. I
had dirt in some really weird places. (Back of my neck???) I must have
raised a big cloud when I landed. 🙂

gabrielle

gabrielle said:

Slacker said:

Welcome to the (exclusive) club ;-)

Thanks! The welcome kit for this one is an ice pack, tube of arnica, and
your choice of painkillers, right? 🙂

You got it! Unless you want the "Xtreme Kit," which also includes a pair
of crutches, neck brace and a self-install catheter kit.

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Quoted message said:

Glad you didn't break any bones.

One of the first things I saw when I realized it was happening was my arms
out & ready to brace. I thought "You bleepin' idiot!! Get your
arms back in!" I doubt that message actually made it out to my
hands, but I managed to land on my side & shoulder. That arm sure
hurts today, but a lot less than the alternative.

I really wish I'd learned to fall correctly as a kid. Wiping out wouldn't
scare me half as much if I knew I wasn't going to try something stupid on
my way down.

gabrielle

Naw, it's still scary. I just came back from 2 days of DHing. On one of
my runs I was at the bottom of a trail, doing about 40mph in an easy
wide open section. I got a little stupid and too comfortable when I felt
my front wheel jerked really hard to the left. My steering damper
straightened it out in a faction of a second, but my heart was still in
my throat thinking of what could've happened.

--
Slacker

gabrielle sez:

[snip]

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I got this weird feeling that something wasn't right: I was
approaching the ground at a rather alarming rate and was about to
experience the impact portion of my first endo.

[snip]

I REALLY like the way you worded that, it paints a great picture. Good
to hear that you're okay.

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Of course, this had to happen at almost exactly the halfway mark of my
ride. Riding home sucked. I could barely move my legs & I was freaking
out about every little obstacle.

Don't hold onto that picture. It is definitely the aliens and bees like
Monique said. (And Monique said I had a weird mind. :-7 ) Like you
said, you did this piece MANY times before without a problem. It was
either the aliens or the roots were just trying to get a better look at
those groovelastic new tyres.

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It's something of a relief to have my first endo out of the way. I'm not
an athletic person at all (it's actually a minor miracle I can even ride a
bike)

Don't sell yourself short. If you're riding a mountain bike, you're more
athletic than most people. As far as learning to fall, join Circue du
Soleil. :-7

T o m Dillon
Lakewood, CO
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Don't sell yourself short. If you're riding a mountain bike, you're more
athletic than most people. As far as learning to fall, join Circue du
Soleil. :-7

I always seem to fall to the right, and somehow do a tuck & roll.

mojo deluxe sez:

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I always seem to fall to the right, and somehow do a tuck & roll.

My wife used to always put her right foot down when she stopped. That
caused her a serious problem on Moab's Slickrock trail once when she was
traversing a sloped area which dropped to the right.

She, however, didn't tuck or roll. It's a good skill or habit to have,
but you might want to look into the idea of considering the possibility
of trying the "roll to the left" thing.

I for one always land straight on my head without rolling so that I
don't end up with dirt in my shorts.

T o m Dillon
Lakewood, CO
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"There is no spoon." -- Some kid in 'The Matrix'
"There is no Marin Palisades Trail." -- Some woman at a thrift shop in
Boulder

gabrielle said:

All of a
sudden, I got this weird feeling that something wasn't right: I was
approaching the ground at a rather alarming rate and was about to
experience the impact portion of my first endo.

Welcome to the club!

My endo was a BIG surprise for me as well- I can still remember saying "well-
too late now" as I sailed through the air with the greatest of ease. THAT part
was kinda cool- I thought I'd NEVER land. UNfortunately - all good things come
to an end and land I did!
They found my glasses crushed under me- my watch was 8 or 9 feet away.
As for me- I hit the handlebars with one thigh as I sailed over them- which
caused a contusion the size of a kid's football. I still have it- and it's
been months.
A beautiful litany of coloured bruises spread over the thigh around the
contusion... I got a green eye, it wasn't purple - it was green, -
a scraped nose and chin, and a few bruises on my chest.
My arms and hands were the last things to hit the ground...I actually landed
and skidded on my thighs....owwwwwwww! That freakin' burned.

But no broken bones- I got up and kept riding though I am not ashamed to admit
I had to stop along the trail, hyperventilate and cry as the shock settled in.
Then I got back on and rode home...

Y'know- the rest of the ride was better- before that I was so worried about
crashing that I was scared all the time. Once the worst that could happen -
happened- I was free...

oh yeah- I got a infection on the top of my EAR- from I guess where it scraped
against my helmet- even though I saw no mark there.

After all that- and I got an infection on my EAR!!!
weird...

but anyway...
get back on your bike and ride!
Wear those bruises with pride!

Kimba

BTW- arnica is indeed good for bruises- and don't be surprised or alarmed if
you suddenly get sore in the next couple of weeks - my doctor told me that
sometimes it takes the chemicals released from your muscles in an accident
some time to actually interact with your body, and you can see secondary
results for up to 3 weeks later.

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Monique Y. Mudama said:

On 2004-07-10, gabrielle penned:

Exactly my dilemma. Even though this year I have a roster of 5 or so
people to call, actual schedule alignments only occur 50-75% of the
time. (This is still better than last year.) I spent last night
thinking about what would have happened if I'd busted my neck. :P

Doh! That's no good. It can't help to think about the worst case
scenario.

Just make sure someone always knows where you are and when you expect to
be back. Granted, this is a lot easier if you have a roomie or close
s.o.

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Uhhhhggggg. Thank god we have a hot tub is all I can say. I feel
like I got hit by a truck!!! Of course that could be due to my choice
of medication last night. 😉

Hrmmmmmmm ....

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You know, it's cool that you continued to ride. Being scared and
alone can really do a number on your confidence.

Well I dabbed more times than the first time I rode that section,
believe me. There was no other way I was getting out of there though,
which can be a huge incentive. Usually there are dozens of people back
there on Friday evenings; last night I saw 4.

Well, you could have walked, which would have taken forever but might be
an option some day if you really F up yourself or your bike.

Had you busted your neck, though, it's good to know there were four
people who would have found you. Do you carry ID and insurance info?

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I'd definitely go back to that spot, with friends if that's what you
need. The sooner you go back and do it well, the better.

That's what I'm thinking. I hope I can ride later on today. My right
quad doesn't seem to be getting the "contract/release" messages
necessary for walking, much less something more complex.

Ugh. I hate that.

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I think, according to Bomba's definitions, I've had one true Endo and
a couple of "stem shags" followed by the "scorpion." Such colorful
language!

Hee hee, I had to look those up. "stem shag" sounds like it would
really hurt - I think I'll stick with the gilooly. 🙂

Every time I see that I think of the movie Zoolander and him
mispronouncing Eulogy!

--
monique

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I'd also like to know how in Sam Hill I got dirt *in* my shorts. :P

Uh... that's not dirt, buddy 😉

--
Phil, Squid-in-Training

Marty said:

I think I've had about 5 endos in my whole 5 years of mtb'ng. The
common theme in every
single one was first surprise that it happened then the surprise that
I didn't actually hurt anything.
er...... except that time when I actually busted my collar bone. But
I was STILL surprised!

I wasn't surprised when I busted my collarbone. I think that the horrible
noise/feeling in my shoulder as I hit gave me enough warning to NOT be
surprised afterwards. Hate that sound, still gives me the willies thinking
about it. ;-)
--
Westie
(Replace 'invalid' with 'yahoo' when replying.)

On Sat, 10 Jul 2004 15:23:44 -0500, "mojo deluxe"
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"Sunastar" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Don't sell yourself short. If you're riding a mountain bike, you're more
athletic than most people. As far as learning to fall, join Circue du
Soleil. :-7

I always seem to fall to the right, and somehow do a tuck & roll.

Me too, unfortunately I also have a tendency to break myself each time
it happens. Doh!
<soothes mending collarbone>

-Slash
--
"Ebert Victorious"
-The Onion

Monique Y. Mudama said:

I think, according to Bomba's definitions, I've had one true Endo and a
couple of "stem shags" followed by the "scorpion." Such colorful
language!

The scorpion is when you're lying flat on your face and the rear wheel is
trying to hit you in the back of the head. Kind of like a scorpion, see? 🙂

I've given up trying to educate people on the real meaning of 'endo'...

Westie said:

I wasn't surprised when I busted my collarbone. I think that the horrible
noise/feeling in my shoulder as I hit gave me enough warning to NOT be
surprised afterwards. Hate that sound, still gives me the willies thinking
about it. ;-)

Last time I broke my collarbone, I didn't realised I'd done it. I just
thought I'd given it a bang and was rolling the shoulder to loosen things
up. Lots of nasty crunching noises :0)

I carried on playing (rugby) for about five minutes but went off after I
realised there was just a big hole where my collarbone should have been.