ruptured lumbar disc and massage

Ahh, the ruptured lumbar disc story. I really wish I could
be impressed with
it. And tell you how much muscle work is involved. But for
you, instead, I've copied what I said in 1999 on my
'home' newsgroup, alt.med.fibromyalgia. You're welcome
to get it from Google. Copy follows:>>>>>

The process is really neat, if this describes you. There is
a muscle, the iliocostalis, that goes all the way down from
the upper back to the sacrum. It is a frequent spasm area.
Anyway, where it is connected to the sacrum, it sits over
the top of the multifidus to the third lumbar vertebra.
Don't worry about the muscle names, just follow the process.
This muscle touches the fourth lumbar nerve near where it
exits the spine. So when the iliocostalis causes the
multifidus to go into spasm, the lumbar nerve becomes
trapped, and the process can be quite painful. But even if
it is numbed by endorphins, the body's reaction to the nerve
irritation is to try to pull the multifidus to the third
lumbar away from the nerve. So, on the OPPOSITE SIDE, the
quadratus lumborum to the third lumbar vertebra becomes
tensed to draw the vertebra down on that side, and up on the
other, to take the pressure off the nerve. So this guarding
reflex becomes a permanent condition, the muscles involved
are in steady spasm, and it can even cause the appearance of
a skewed torso. And if the process causes the psoas to
become involved, the foot on the 'pulling' side will likely
be rotated outward. But X-ray and MRI of the back will be
'normal'. Interesting how a muscle that only comes near the
spine can cause problems to appear on the opposite side of
the spine. Actually, on both sides, with the trapped nerve
on one side, the muscle in steady spasm on the other. But of
course, your mileage may vary.

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John Smith <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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So, in massage therapist training, what do they teach you
about management and treatment of a ruptured lumbar disc?

JS

C'mon, folks. Don't make me be the only one to respond to
John's question!!! Especially since I didn't actually
answer it, but rather just mentioned some of the possibly
involved anatomy.

Michael Baugh <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Ahh, the ruptured lumbar disc story. I really wish I could
be impressed

with

Quoted message said:

it. And tell you how much muscle work is involved. But for
you, instead, I've copied what I said in 1999 on my
'home' newsgroup, alt.med.fibromyalgia. You're welcome
to get it from Google. Copy follows:>>>>>

The process is really neat, if this describes you. There
is a muscle, the iliocostalis, that goes all the way down
from the upper back to the sacrum. It is a frequent spasm
area. Anyway, where it is connected to the sacrum, it sits
over the top of the multifidus to the third lumbar
vertebra. Don't worry about the muscle names, just follow
the process. This muscle touches the fourth lumbar nerve
near where it exits the spine. So when the iliocostalis
causes the multifidus to go into spasm, the lumbar nerve
becomes trapped, and the process can be quite painful. But
even if it is numbed by endorphins, the body's reaction to
the nerve irritation is to try to pull the multifidus to
the third lumbar away from the nerve. So, on the OPPOSITE
SIDE, the quadratus lumborum to the third lumbar vertebra
becomes tensed to draw the vertebra down on that

side,

Quoted message said:

and up on the other, to take the pressure off the nerve.
So this guarding reflex becomes a permanent condition, the
muscles involved are in steady spasm, and it can even
cause the appearance of a skewed torso. And if the process
causes the psoas to become involved, the foot on the
'pulling' side will likely be rotated outward. But X-ray
and MRI of the back will be 'normal'. Interesting how a
muscle that only comes near the spine can cause problems
to appear on the opposite side of the spine. Actually, on
both sides, with the trapped nerve on one side, the muscle
in steady spasm on the other. But of course, your mileage
may vary.

End copy>>>>>

John Smith <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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So, in massage therapist training, what do they teach
you about management and treatment of a ruptured
lumbar disc?

JS

Give folks some time Michael! 🙂

Management and treatment of a ruptured lumbar disc...... I
am not sure what I was taught in school but since being out
of school I learned about working muscles involved (see
Michaels awesome post). I also learned to work with ice if
there is inflammation in the area, some myofascial
techniques can be helpful as the area may be extremely
sensitive and deep pressure would not be appreciated.

Tiffany

Michael Baugh <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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C'mon, folks. Don't make me be the only one to respond to
John's question!!! Especially since I didn't actually
answer it, but rather just mentioned some of the possibly
involved anatomy.

Commonly, MTs deal with the symptomology of the
condition, as described by Michael. (Dealing with pain
and spasm, and offering reassurance.) Also, Mackenzie
protocol is often prescribed to minimize discomfort and
allow the disc to heal.

"Tiffany" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Give folks some time Michael! 🙂

Management and treatment of a ruptured lumbar disc...... I
am not sure

what

Quoted message said:

I was taught in school but since being out of school I
learned about

working

Quoted message said:

muscles involved (see Michaels awesome post). I also
learned to work with ice if there is inflammation in the
area, some myofascial techniques can

be

Quoted message said:

helpful as the area may be extremely sensitive and deep
pressure would not be appreciated.

Tiffany

Michael Baugh <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

C'mon, folks. Don't make me be the only one to respond
to John's question!!! Especially since I didn't actually
answer it, but rather

just

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

mentioned some of the possibly involved anatomy.

It sounds like John Smith wants management and treatment of
a ruptured lumbar disc, not management and treatment of
hyprtonic or contracture of soft tissue.

Thanks

"John Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

So, in massage therapist training, what do they teach you
about management and treatment of a ruptured lumbar disc?

JS

It sounds like John Smith wants management and treatment of
a ruptured lumbar disc, not management and treatment of
hyprtonic or contracture of soft tissue.

Thanks

"Joe Guy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Commonly, MTs deal with the symptomology of the condition,
as described by Michael. (Dealing with pain and spasm, and
offering reassurance.) Also, Mackenzie protocol is often
prescribed to minimize discomfort and allow

the

Quoted message said:

disc to heal.

"Tiffany" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Give folks some time Michael! 🙂

Management and treatment of a ruptured lumbar disc......
I am not sure

what

Quoted message said:

I was taught in school but since being out of school I
learned about

working

Quoted message said:

muscles involved (see Michaels awesome post). I also
learned to work

with

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

ice if there is inflammation in the area, some
myofascial techniques can

be

Quoted message said:

helpful as the area may be extremely sensitive and deep
pressure would

not

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

be appreciated.

Tiffany

Michael Baugh <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

C'mon, folks. Don't make me be the only one to respond
to John's question!!! Especially since I didn't
actually answer it, but rather

just

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

mentioned some of the possibly involved anatomy.

I guess that's why I recommended Mackenzie protocol. Thanks
for your gifted insight though...

"JB" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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It sounds like John Smith wants management and treatment
of a ruptured lumbar disc, not management and treatment of
hyprtonic or contracture of soft tissue.

Thanks

"Joe Guy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Commonly, MTs deal with the symptomology of the
condition, as described

by

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Michael. (Dealing with pain and spasm, and offering
reassurance.)

Also,

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Mackenzie protocol is often prescribed to minimize
discomfort and allow

the

Quoted message said:

disc to heal.

"Tiffany" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Give folks some time Michael! 🙂

Management and treatment of a ruptured lumbar
disc...... I am not sure

what

Quoted message said:

I was taught in school but since being out of school I
learned about

working

Quoted message said:

muscles involved (see Michaels awesome post). I also
learned to work

with

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

ice if there is inflammation in the area, some
myofascial techniques

can

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

be

Quoted message said:

helpful as the area may be extremely sensitive and
deep pressure would

not

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

be appreciated.

Tiffany

Michael Baugh <[email hidden]> wrote in
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> C'mon, folks. Don't make me be the only one to
> respond to John's question!!! Especially since I
> didn't actually answer it, but rather

just

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> mentioned some of the possibly involved anatomy.
>

I'm still listening. Thanks for all the feedback.

JS

Joe Guy said:

I guess that's why I recommended Mackenzie protocol.
Thanks for your gifted insight though...

"JB" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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It sounds like John Smith wants management and treatment
of a ruptured lumbar disc, not management and treatment of
hyprtonic or contracture of soft tissue.

Thanks

"Joe Guy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Commonly, MTs deal with the symptomology of the
condition, as described

by

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Michael. (Dealing with pain and spasm, and offering
reassurance.)

Also,

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Mackenzie protocol is often prescribed to minimize
discomfort and allow

the

Quoted message said:

disc to heal.

"Tiffany" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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>Give folks some time Michael! 🙂
>
>Management and treatment of a ruptured lumbar disc......
>I am not sure

what

>I was taught in school but since being out of school I
>learned about

working

>muscles involved (see Michaels awesome post). I also
>learned to work

with

Quoted message said:

>ice if there is inflammation in the area, some
>myofascial techniques

can

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

be

>helpful as the area may be extremely sensitive and deep
>pressure would

not

Quoted message said:

>be appreciated.
>
>
>Tiffany
>
>
>Michael Baugh <[email hidden]> wrote in message
>"]news:[email hidden]...
>
>>C'mon, folks. Don't make me be the only one to respond
>>to John's question!!! Especially since I didn't
>>actually answer it, but rather

just

>>mentioned some of the possibly involved anatomy.
>>
>
>
>