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  1. I had a can of sauerkraut that had a domed top. The top of the can
    was slightly bulging out. The can was not dented. When I applied the
    can opener, liquid shot about a foot in the air making a mess. I was
    a little concerned because I have heard to never eat anything from a
    bulged can. However sauerkraut is fermented, so I just assumed it was
    fermenting in the can. I tasted it, and it seemed to taste ok. so I
    ate some of it. I did not get sick, aside from the usual runs I get
    from sauerkraut. I told a friend about it who is much more of a cook
    than I am, and she told me I was nuts to even taste it, and said I was
    lucky to be alive. I think that sounds a little extreme, and like I
    said, dont sauerkraut ferment in the can? Isn't this just normal?
    I guess if I had gotten real sick, I'd have my answer, but I didn't.

    Anyone?????

    Thanks

  2. On Tue 28 Feb 2006 05:02:37a, Thus Spake Zarathustra, or was it ?

    Quoted message said:

    I had a can of sauerkraut that had a domed top. The top of the can
    was slightly bulging out. The can was not dented. When I applied the
    can opener, liquid shot about a foot in the air making a mess. I was
    a little concerned because I have heard to never eat anything from a
    bulged can. However sauerkraut is fermented, so I just assumed it was
    fermenting in the can. I tasted it, and it seemed to taste ok. so I
    ate some of it. I did not get sick, aside from the usual runs I get
    from sauerkraut. I told a friend about it who is much more of a cook
    than I am, and she told me I was nuts to even taste it, and said I was
    lucky to be alive. I think that sounds a little extreme, and like I
    said, dont sauerkraut ferment in the can? Isn't this just normal?
    I guess if I had gotten real sick, I'd have my answer, but I didn't.

    Anyone?????

    Thanks

    You were lucky!

    --
    Wayne Boatwright o¿o
    ____________________

    BIOYA

  3. Wayne Boatwright said:

    On Tue 28 Feb 2006 05:02:37a, Thus Spake Zarathustra, or was it ?

    Quoted message said:

    I had a can of sauerkraut that had a domed top. The top of the can
    was slightly bulging out. The can was not dented. When I applied the
    can opener, liquid shot about a foot in the air making a mess. I was
    a little concerned because I have heard to never eat anything from a
    bulged can. However sauerkraut is fermented, so I just assumed it was
    fermenting in the can. I tasted it, and it seemed to taste ok. so I
    ate some of it. I did not get sick, aside from the usual runs I get
    from sauerkraut. I told a friend about it who is much more of a cook
    than I am, and she told me I was nuts to even taste it, and said I was
    lucky to be alive. I think that sounds a little extreme, and like I
    said, dont sauerkraut ferment in the can? Isn't this just normal?
    I guess if I had gotten real sick, I'd have my answer, but I didn't.

    Anyone?????

    Thanks

    You were lucky!

    --
    Wayne Boatwright o¿o
    ____________________

    BIOYA

    immune to botulism? interesting. donate some blood for futher
    examination.
    i noticed something peculiar with a can like that. called the
    supermarket.
    they said i could have my money back. gee thanks.
    they missed the quality control since this was their inhouse brand.

  4. <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I had a can of sauerkraut that had a domed top. The top of the can
    was slightly bulging out. The can was not dented. When I applied the
    can opener, liquid shot about a foot in the air making a mess. I was
    a little concerned because I have heard to never eat anything from a
    bulged can. However sauerkraut is fermented, so I just assumed it was
    fermenting in the can. I tasted it, and it seemed to taste ok. so I
    ate some of it. I did not get sick, aside from the usual runs I get
    from sauerkraut. I told a friend about it who is much more of a cook
    than I am, and she told me I was nuts to even taste it, and said I was
    lucky to be alive. I think that sounds a little extreme, and like I
    said, dont sauerkraut ferment in the can? Isn't this just normal?
    I guess if I had gotten real sick, I'd have my answer, but I didn't.

    Anyone?????

    Thanks

    Saurkraut does ferment but not after being canned - the heat of he canning
    process kills all the beasties (or should). Being acidic it is very unlikely
    to grow botulinum which will kill you dead, but it still is unwise to eat
    from such a can. BTW if you are a kraut lover you might want to try the
    fresh kraut that is available in plastic bags in the refrigerated section.
    It's much better than the canned.

    --
    Peter Aitken

  5. [email hidden] hitched up their panties and posted
    news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:

    I had a can of sauerkraut that had a domed top. The top of the can
    was slightly bulging out. The can was not dented. When I applied the
    can opener, liquid shot about a foot in the air making a mess. I was
    a little concerned because I have heard to never eat anything from a
    bulged can. However sauerkraut is fermented, so I just assumed it was
    fermenting in the can. I tasted it, and it seemed to taste ok. so I
    ate some of it. I did not get sick, aside from the usual runs I get
    from sauerkraut. I told a friend about it who is much more of a cook
    than I am, and she told me I was nuts to even taste it, and said I was
    lucky to be alive. I think that sounds a little extreme, and like I
    said, dont sauerkraut ferment in the can? Isn't this just normal?
    I guess if I had gotten real sick, I'd have my answer, but I didn't.

    Anyone?????

    Thanks

    Not being a chemist I don't know how much bacteria etc. the acid in kraut
    kills but I would not have eaten it. I'd say you were lucky you didn't get
    sick.

    Michael

    --
    “It requires a certain kind of mind to see beauty in a hamburger bun.”
    _Ray Kroc, creator of the McDonald's franchise

  6. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Quoted message said:

    I had a can of sauerkraut that had a domed top. The top of the can
    was slightly bulging out. The can was not dented. When I applied the
    can opener, liquid shot about a foot in the air making a mess.

    Sauerkraut is fermented before it's canned and processed.
    Basic food safety rules say to discard bulging cans.
    www.extension.iastate.edu/Publications/PM1541CH07.pdf
    --
    http://www.jamlady.eboard.com, updated 2-19-2006, Yummy! and church review. :-)

  7. Quoted message said:

    I had a can of sauerkraut that had a domed top. The top of the can
    was slightly bulging out. The can was not dented. When I applied the
    can opener, liquid shot about a foot in the air making a mess. I was
    a little concerned because I have heard to never eat anything from a
    bulged can. However sauerkraut is fermented, so I just assumed it was
    fermenting in the can. I tasted it, and it seemed to taste ok. so I
    ate some of it. I did not get sick, aside from the usual runs I get
    from sauerkraut. I told a friend about it who is much more of a cook
    than I am, and she told me I was nuts to even taste it, and said I was
    lucky to be alive. I think that sounds a little extreme, and like I
    said, dont sauerkraut ferment in the can? Isn't this just normal?
    I guess if I had gotten real sick, I'd have my answer, but I didn't.

    Anyone?????

    Thanks

    I would have tossed it. I've got no time to be sick, (never mind the
    discomfort) and wouldn't take a chance. Especially for a 2 dollar can of
    kraut. Now if that was a 5 oz can of beluga caviar, I might think twice. :-)

    Larry T

  8. Melba's Jammin said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Quoted message said:

    I had a can of sauerkraut that had a domed top. The top of the can
    was slightly bulging out. The can was not dented. When I applied the
    can opener, liquid shot about a foot in the air making a mess.

    Sauerkraut is fermented before it's canned and processed.
    Basic food safety rules say to discard bulging cans.
    www.extension.iastate.edu/Publications/PM1541CH07.pdf

    Absolutely. Discard all bulged/leaking cans... do not open, definitely
    do not taste... botulism has no odor or flavor.

    The organisms responsible for fermentation are not the same ones that
    cause food poisoning, this should be obvious even to the pinheads.

    Here's a site that's more concise:
    http://hgic.clemson.edu/PDF/HGIC3680.pdf

  9. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Peter Aitken said:

    <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I had a can of sauerkraut that had a domed top. The top of the can
    was slightly bulging out. The can was not dented. When I applied the
    can opener, liquid shot about a foot in the air making a mess. I was
    a little concerned because I have heard to never eat anything from a
    bulged can. However sauerkraut is fermented, so I just assumed it was
    fermenting in the can. I tasted it, and it seemed to taste ok. so I
    ate some of it. I did not get sick, aside from the usual runs I get
    from sauerkraut. I told a friend about it who is much more of a cook
    than I am, and she told me I was nuts to even taste it, and said I was
    lucky to be alive. I think that sounds a little extreme, and like I
    said, dont sauerkraut ferment in the can? Isn't this just normal?
    I guess if I had gotten real sick, I'd have my answer, but I didn't.

    Anyone?????

    Thanks

    Saurkraut does ferment but not after being canned - the heat of he canning
    process kills all the beasties (or should). Being acidic it is very unlikely
    to grow botulinum which will kill you dead, but it still is unwise to eat
    from such a can. BTW if you are a kraut lover you might want to try the
    fresh kraut that is available in plastic bags in the refrigerated section.
    It's much better than the canned.

    That's how I usually get mine. :-)
    Boars Head brand, and I agree!

    Altho' Klaussens jarred Kraut in the refrigerator section is also pretty
    good.
    --
    Peace, Om.

    "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

  10. Quoted message said:

    I guess if I had gotten real sick, I'd have my answer, but I didn't.

    If you died, you would have gotten your answer for sure. It would have also
    confirmed the theory of natural selection.

    I've only had this happen once in my 30 years of cooking, and it was very
    strange. I opened one of those little 6 ounce cans of tomato paste. The
    liquid shot a lot more than a foot out of the can. It hit the ceiling and
    otherwise went all over the place. It was a tremendous mess to clean up. I'm
    glad I didn't have any other food out that would have gotten sprayed... and
    which I would have also thrown out for safety reasons.

    I was a bit surprised, as the can showed no signs of damage or bulging.
    Tomatoes are also an acid food, which are not so prone to these problems. I
    suspect the can would have been bulging if it were a larger can. Because of
    this small can's size, it was better able to contain the pressure. I think
    all cans have about the same wall thickness.

    --
    ( #wff_ng_7# at #verizon# period #net# )

  11. wff_ng_7 said:
    Quoted message said:

    I guess if I had gotten real sick, I'd have my answer, but I didn't.

    If you died, you would have gotten your answer for sure. It would have also
    confirmed the theory of natural selection.

    I've only had this happen once in my 30 years of cooking, and it was very
    strange. I opened one of those little 6 ounce cans of tomato paste. The
    liquid shot a lot more than a foot out of the can. It hit the ceiling and
    otherwise went all over the place. It was a tremendous mess to clean up. I'm
    glad I didn't have any other food out that would have gotten sprayed... and
    which I would have also thrown out for safety reasons.

    I was a bit surprised, as the can showed no signs of damage or bulging.
    Tomatoes are also an acid food, which are not so prone to these problems. I
    suspect the can would have been bulging if it were a larger can. Because of
    this small can's size, it was better able to contain the pressure. I think
    all cans have about the same wall thickness.

    Actually acetic foods in tins, like tomatoes, are the most likely to
    become toxic, the acid is more likely to erode metal and cause minute
    pinholes, especially near the seam at the lid, usually the upper lid as
    the can stands due to the small void; gas escapes so there is no
    bulging but the poison contained therein can be the most intense.
    Examine all cans carefully before opening. If a can has been sitting
    in your cupboard for a couple of years give it a good hard squeeze
    before opening, any liquid escapes toss it. It's a good habit to mark
    all cans with date of purchase as soon as brought home; you'll never
    remember later when you bought what and the date will enable you to
    rotate your stock. Tins more than five years old should be considered
    highly suspect, I would toss them. I date all foods as soon as they
    arrive home. It's rare I have something around for five years so don't
    often toss things, but just last week I discovered a can of Goya Coco
    Lopez in the back of my cupboard, marked 4/98, I tossed it unopened.
    It had a price sticker, $1.19... an amount hardly worth taking a
    chance. Canned fish is another culprit deserving of suspician, foods
    with relatively high salt content are also subject to pinholes. Any
    can with rust, toss it. Judging canned kraut by it's odor is inane..
    beware if it doesn't smell "off". I don't know how anyone can eat
    canned kraut, it smells exactly the same fresh from the can as it does
    fresh from uranus. <G>

    Chocolate Sauerkraut Cake

    INGREDIENTS:
    2/3 cup butter
    1-1/2 cup sugar
    3 large eggs, beaten
    1 teaspoon vanilla
    1/2 cup cocoa
    2-1/4 cup flour
    1 teaspoon baking powder
    1/4 teaspoon salt
    1 cup water
    2/3 cup chopped sauerkraut, drained

    PREPARATION:
    Preheat oven to 350 degrees F. Grease and flour 2 8 or 9-inch cake
    pans. Cream butter and sugar. Beat in eggs and vanilla. In another
    bowl, combine cocoa, flour, baking powder and salt with wire whisk.
    Slowly add to creamed mixture alternately with water. Fold in
    sauerkraut and pour into prepared pans. Bake for 25 to 30 minutes.
    Frost with a cream cheese or buttercream frosting. -anon-

    Sheldon

  12. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Sheldon said:

    Chocolate Sauerkraut Cake

    INGREDIENTS:


    <snipped gross recipe>

    Quoted message said:

    Sheldon

    Nice to know you keep some humorous recipes in your files. ;-)
    Here's my favorite gross out recipe:

    Klingon Blood Wine (and yes, the Klingon trekkies that play act and
    dress up as Klingons actually make this stuff...)

    Subject: Re: Bloodwine recipes?
    Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2000 04:36:36 GMT
    From: [email hidden] (Khaywolf)
    Organization: the Monastery of Gre'thor
    Newsgroups: alt.startrek.klingon

    (Nicki Cho) said:

    anyone have any recipes to make a version of alcoholic
    bloodwine?

    Boy, I've been seeing this request all over the place lately!

    Bloodwine

    Heat 18 quarts of blood in a large cauldron. When the blood is hot,
    put 1 quart of blackstrap molasses into it. When it boils, skim it
    very
    well, and continue
    skimming it, as long as any scum will rise. Let this boil one hour.
    Then set it to cool until it be blood-warm, and then put in a spoonful
    of Ale yeast. When it is worked up, put it into a five gallon bottle
    with a vapor lock. Allow to ferment for about six weeks, then bottle
    it
    up. Age to taste.

    Khaywolf

    I've not hung out on that group for a very long time, but it was very
    entertaining. ;-)
    --
    Peace, Om.

    "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

  13. OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Sheldon said:

    Chocolate Sauerkraut Cake

    INGREDIENTS:


    <snipped gross recipe>

    Quoted message said:

    Sheldon

    Nice to know you keep some humorous recipes in your files. ;-)
    Here's my favorite gross out recipe:

    <delete>

    I SAVED IT..no not yours..and I'm gonna try it. I have taken far
    greater chances. It actually sounds like it could have some real
    potential with the sweetness, along with *saurness* and texture of the
    kraut. OM quit making that same ole lb..cake..dad likes some variety. <g>

  14. jay said:
    OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Sheldon said:

    Chocolate Sauerkraut Cake

    INGREDIENTS:


    <snipped gross recipe>

    Quoted message said:

    Sheldon

    Nice to know you keep some humorous recipes in your files. ;-)
    Here's my favorite gross out recipe:

    <delete>

    I SAVED IT..no not yours..and I'm gonna try it. I have taken far
    greater chances. It actually sounds like it could have some real
    potential with the sweetness, along with *saurness* and texture of the
    kraut.

    I remember having that cake several times when I was a kid, it wasn't bad at
    all...it's just that the ingredients are rather "incongruous" to say the
    least.

    --
    Best
    Greg

  15. It's the same 'ol newsdawg troll again.

  16. Gregory Morrow said:

    I remember having that cake several times when I was a kid, it wasn't bad at
    all...it's just that the ingredients are rather "incongruous" to say the
    least.

    "wasn't bad at all"... truth..was it any good? The only "odd" ingredient
    it seems considering the others is the sauerkraut.
    I love "sauerkrauts." <g>

  17. jay said:
    Gregory Morrow said:

    I remember having that cake several times when I was a kid, it wasn't


    bad at

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    all...it's just that the ingredients are rather "incongruous" to say the
    least.

    "wasn't bad at all"... truth..was it any good? The only "odd" ingredient
    it seems considering the others is the sauerkraut.
    I love "sauerkrauts." <g>

    IIRC it was a German chocolate - type thing and it was very good...used to
    be a staple at those church basement socials/dinners we used to have (ask
    Barb Schaller, she might be acquainted with this particular type of cake)...

    --
    Best
    Greg

  18. In article <[email hidden]>,
    "Gregory Morrow"

    Quoted message said:
    jay said:
    Gregory Morrow said:

    I remember having that cake several times when I was a kid, it wasn't


    bad at

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    all...it's just that the ingredients are rather "incongruous" to say the
    least.

    "wasn't bad at all"... truth..was it any good? The only "odd" ingredient
    it seems considering the others is the sauerkraut.
    I love "sauerkrauts." <g>

    IIRC it was a German chocolate - type thing and it was very good...used to
    be a staple at those church basement socials/dinners we used to have (ask
    Barb Schaller, she might be acquainted with this particular type of cake)...

    Well, if you are into unusual cakes, there are cakes made with ground
    meat:

    http://www.foodreference.com/html/emu-cake.html

    Cheers!
    --
    Peace, Om.

    "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

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