Saying "Hi"

I agree Mr Sol😉

Furthermore I feel we should band together and rise up against our agressors (everybody that doesn't ride). You see I feel that man has ruled this world as a stumbling demented child king long enough. and as his empire crumbles, the precious cyclist shall rise as his most fitting succesor!!

MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!:p

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boring, old-school debate!

Why is it that some riders just wont say "hello" back? I mean...it's not very hard. Even just a
nod of the head. It's just common courtesy! If someone says "Hi"...you say it back! You'd think
we'd all stick together rather than being a bunch of stuck-up [censored].

I've noticed that it's mostly road riders (who struggle to un-clip at lights) that elevate
themselves to the "holier than thou" position of not having to communicate....May 1000 flats come
your way!

Yes. this one has been around the block a couple of times before. I dont know why that is. Its as if
they feel I am not worthy enough to consider nodding back because I am not wearing shiny lycra and
riding a $5000 bike. Or it could be that they are in their own world and dont notice you.

I say hi to all. Even if i race past a jogger going the other way (back street for this one though).

BTW Those helmet debates surely get my goat. People will never agree on that one.

regards Peter

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Seeing as we're doing the boring "Helmet Debate" again....lets start

another

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boring, old-school debate!

Why is it that some riders just wont say "hello" back? I mean...it's not very hard. Even just a
nod of the head. It's just common courtesy! If someone says "Hi"...you say it back! You'd think
we'd all stick together rather than being a bunch of stuck-up [censored].

I've noticed that it's mostly road riders (who struggle to un-clip at lights) that elevate
themselves to the "holier than thou" position of not having to communicate....May 1000 flats come
your way!

It's been the opposite for me (re riders who cannot un-clip). It's been the guys wearing the shiny
lycra and riding the expensive looking bikes who seem to think a greeting is beneath them.. Also ive
noticed various areas (such as beach road riders don't say hello, while yarra bend / mt dandenong
riders do)

ps, i usually don't say much of a greeting while riding up a hill as i'm usually struggling to
breathe🙂 But at least a nod of the head is good enough?

This one gets a run on aus.motorcycle as well, but it is "Whey don't other riders nod back"

Age old problem.

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Seeing as we're doing the boring "Helmet Debate" again....lets start

another

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boring, old-school debate!

Why is it that some riders just wont say "hello" back? I mean...it's not very hard. Even just a
nod of the head. It's just common courtesy! If someone says "Hi"...you say it back! You'd think
we'd all stick together rather than being a bunch of stuck-up [censored].

I've noticed that it's mostly road riders (who struggle to un-clip at lights) that elevate
themselves to the "holier than thou" position of not having to communicate....May 1000 flats come
your way!

Anus said:

Seeing as we're doing the boring "Helmet Debate" again....lets start another boring, old-
school debate!

Why is it that some riders just wont say "hello" back? I mean...it's not very hard. Even just a
nod of the head. It's just common courtesy! If someone says "Hi"...you say it back! You'd think
we'd all stick together rather than being a bunch of stuck-up [censored].

I've noticed that it's mostly road riders (who struggle to un-clip at lights) that elevate
themselves to the "holier than thou" position of not having to communicate....May 1000 flats come
your way!

Maybe it depends where you ride and live. In the country, maybe any kind of cyclist would nod/wave
to any other kind of cyclist - there's just so few of them. Same on a walking trail - you'd usually
nod, smile, or say hello to people coming the other way even though you don't know them from Adam,
whereas if you saw the same person walking towards you on
George/Collins/Hindley/<insert_big_street_here> Street, you'd totally ignore them and nobody would
be the least bit offended. In big cities like Sydney (where I live) or Melbourne (where one of the
earlier posters lives), maybe there's so many cyclists (especially some of the places I ride) that
you don't feel the need to be matey with every single one of them, and prefer to associate with (or
at least nod at) the ones with whom you feel more empathy (e.g. MTBers might feel more at home with
other MTBers, commuters with commuters, roadies with roadies, etc.). I wouldn't nod at some kid on
his BMX in the city any more than he would at me, and neither party would mind or be surprised by
the lack of interaction. I don't pretend to know what it's like to ride a great piece of
singletrack, and maybe the MTBer I see on the street doesn't know what it means to plan a criterium
race just right and [censored] victory on the line - what do we have in common apart from gears and a
chain? Why _would_ we nod or wave to each other? If we're meant to be such genial souls, why not
wave at pedestrians, horse riders, motorbike riders (who have everything we have), or motorists?

I'd be interested to hear the viewpoint of cyclists who live and ride outside the big cities,
where there is a smaller total cycling population - maybe there is more cross-discipline
interaction there?

&roo Roadie, Commuter, Rec Rider, and general nodder - except to BMX/MTB riders ;-)

Andrew Swan said:

Anus said:

Seeing as we're doing the boring "Helmet Debate" again....lets start another boring, old-school
debate!

Why is it that some riders just wont say "hello" back? I mean...it's not very hard. Even just a
nod of the head. It's just common courtesy! If someone says "Hi"...you say it back! You'd think
we'd all stick together rather than being a bunch of stuck-up [censored].

I've noticed that it's mostly road riders (who struggle to un-clip at lights) that elevate
themselves to the "holier than thou" position of not having to communicate....May 1000 flats come
your way!

Maybe it depends where you ride and live. In the country, maybe any kind of cyclist would nod/wave
to any other kind of cyclist - there's just so few of them. Same on a walking trail - you'd
usually nod, smile, or say hello to people coming the other way even though you don't know them
from Adam, whereas if you saw the same person walking towards you on
George/Collins/Hindley/<insert_big_street_here> Street, you'd totally ignore them and nobody would
be the least bit offended. In big cities like Sydney (where I live) or Melbourne (where one of the
earlier posters lives), maybe there's so many cyclists (especially some of the places I ride) that
you don't feel the need to be matey with every single one of them, and prefer to associate with
(or at least nod at) the ones with whom you feel more empathy (e.g. MTBers might feel more at home
with other MTBers, commuters with commuters, roadies with roadies, etc.). I wouldn't nod at some
kid on his BMX in the city any more than he would at me, and neither party would mind or be
surprised by the lack of interaction. I don't pretend to know what it's like to ride a great piece
of singletrack, and maybe the MTBer I see on the street doesn't know what it means to plan a
criterium race just right and [censored] victory on the line - what do we have in common apart from
gears and a chain? Why _would_ we nod or wave to each other? If we're meant to be such genial
souls, why not wave at pedestrians, horse riders, motorbike riders (who have everything we have),
or motorists?

I'd be interested to hear the viewpoint of cyclists who live and ride outside the big cities,
where there is a smaller total cycling population - maybe there is more cross-discipline
interaction there?

&roo Roadie, Commuter, Rec Rider, and general nodder - except to BMX/MTB riders ;-)

In case anyone gets the wrong idea from the above, I see a BIG difference between nodding and
nodding _back_. If you're nodded at by anyone, not to return the gesture is just plain rude. Not to
be the initiator, however, is a matter of personal preference.

&roo

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Why _would_ we nod or wave to each other? If we're meant to be such genial souls, why not wave at
pedestrians, horse riders, motorbike riders (who have everything we have), or motorists?

Well said. When I'm out for a ride I'm minding my own business and anyone who thinks I'm rude for
not responding to someone I've never met and will

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Well, Andrew set out a nice analytical background. I totally agree with him.

I ride in Canberra. Is it big or small? Country or city? 😉

Initiation of greeting to a stranger is an act of generousity. There's no promise that there would be a respond worthy of our greeting. A generous person, by definition, would not need and would not depend on the response. He/she initiates the good deed, because he/she believes it to be right. (wow, so philosophical!)

Of course, there is always the long-term aspect. If such an act is promoted and people persist, it will become a common practice.

I'd like to divide cyclists in two overlapping groups. The bigger group are the public riding for a good fun. A warm approach to people by us is good to promote the image of cycling. The second group are the enthusiasts and pros who spend a lot more resources on riding. These, need to be even more proactive in creating a good image, because they can be categorically criticised for their conduct. I'm pretty sure the better image they create, the shinier their sport achievements will become (as a popular/respectable sport). You agree that not every sport holds the same level of respect or classy image in public'c eye.

I don't think we can make any generalisation. If someone is up himself/herself, then he/she will show it everywhere. Be it on bike, at the wheel, at work or wherever. If someone feels above the public because of only a few grands worth of lycra, carbon fibre and alloy material, that person has a small world.

Cheers,
Amir.

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Originally posted by Anus
Seeing as we're doing the boring "Helmet Debate" again....lets start another boring, old-
school debate!

Why is it that some riders just wont say "hello" back? I mean...it's not very hard. Even just a nod
of the head. It's just common courtesy! If someone says "Hi"...you say it back! You'd think we'd all
stick together rather than being a bunch of stuck-up [censored].

I've noticed that it's mostly road riders (who struggle to un-clip at lights) that elevate
themselves to the "holier than thou" position of not having to communicate....May 1000 flats
come your way!

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Originally posted by Anus
Seeing as we're doing the boring "Helmet Debate" again....lets start another boring, old-
school debate!

Why is it that some riders just wont say "hello" back? I mean...it's not very hard. Even just a nod
of the head. It's just common courtesy! If someone says "Hi"...you say it back! You'd think we'd all
stick together rather than being a bunch of stuck-up [censored].

I've noticed that it's mostly road riders (who struggle to un-clip at lights) that elevate
themselves to the "holier than thou" position of not having to communicate....May 1000 flats
come your way!

Maybe it's got something to do with your name! 🙂 as a person who rides with a bag on his head I am not usually in the habit of talking to other anus's :p

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another boring, old- school debate! Why is it that some riders just wont say "hello" back? I

mean...it's not

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very hard. Even just a nod of the head. It's just common courtesy!

I wasn't going to add to this common thread, but...

If you are in front of me, I will try and pass you. If you are behind me, I will try and stay ahead.
If I come close to you I will (usually) say G'Day. Not so close, I will (usually) nod my head in
your general direction (I continue this on Beach Rd. until my head gets sore from bobbing! :-)). If
you are on a bike I automatically respect you (until you do something stupid) and will show a lot
more interest in you than any one of the thousands of cars that pass me/I pass. I don't care if you
don't say anything back or nod back, but when you do I feel 'extra' chuffed. Actually, not
responding to me might make me more inclined to chase you down :-) I understand that we don't HAVE
to exhibit any form of recognition or greeting but we are a minority and I choose to "be nice" to
others in the minority, no harm done to me or them.

hippy

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Why _would_ we nod or wave to each other? If we're meant to be such genial souls, why not wave
at pedestrians, horse riders, motorbike riders (who have everything we have), or motorists?

Well said. When I'm out for a ride I'm minding my own business and anyone who thinks I'm rude for
not responding to someone I've never met and will

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arrogance thinking you can talk to us strangers. When I go to a dinner party and their is
people their I dont know. I just ignore them. How dare their arrogance if they approach or
introduce themselves. We humans are not social animals. We prefer to be bitter loners who mind
their own business.

It's probably a bit like driving from Perth to Melbourne,as you get out into the sticks people start waving at you and you start waving back,then when you initiate the wave and it's not reciprocated you think f**k this and stop waving then someone waves again and you don't respond and you feel like a right [censored]................go figure!😎

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Why _would_ we nod or wave to each other? If we're meant to be such genial souls, why not wave
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Well said. When I'm out for a ride I'm minding my own business and anyone who thinks I'm rude for
not responding to someone I've never

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arrogance.

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arrogance thinking you can talk to us strangers. When I go to a dinner party and their is people
their I dont know. I just ignore them. How dare their arrogance if they approach or introduce
themselves. We humans are not social animals. We prefer to be bitter loners who mind their own
business.

Sorry, that effort's barely deserving of a D-. The rhetoric would have worked much more powerfully
if the analogies had made sense but instead they're just silly and show that you didn't think the
matter through. You cannot compare two social environments with a non-social one. Both your
analogies are predicated upon communication, neither a newsgroup nor a dinner party make any sense
without it, but riding is very often a solitary activity and there can be no reasonable expectation
of engaging every stranger you meet simply because they also happen to be riding. You'll have to do
much better than that if you hope to pass the exam.

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It's probably a bit like driving from Perth to Melbourne,as you get out

into the sticks people start waving at you and you start waving back,then when you initiate the wave
and it's not reciprocated you think f**k this and stop waving then someone waves again and you don't
respond and you feel like a right [censored]................go figure!😎

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Don't worry about them not waving. Always wave - 9 out of 10 will respond. Ignore the setbacks. You
could cause a domino effect. You stop waving then someone waves to you and you dont (usually because
its too late) and they they say "I am not going to wave anymore" Wave to them all. Remember some
people are just shy and feel uncomfortable interacting with strangers.

Peter

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Sorry, that effort's barely deserving of a D-. The rhetoric would have worked much more powerfully
if the analogies had made sense but instead they're just silly and show that you didn't think the
matter through. You cannot compare two social environments with a non-social one. Both your
analogies are predicated upon communication, neither a newsgroup nor a dinner party make any sense
without it, but riding is very often a

solitary

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activity and there can be no reasonable expectation of engaging every stranger you meet simply
because they also happen to be riding. You'll

have

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to do much better than that if you hope to pass the exam.

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Hi Andrew,

Sorry I was just trying a little humour (bit miffed about the exam though. I have never got a pass
D- before in my life). Sorry if I offended you. I really should not have returned the swearing and I
did mean to add a disclaimer at the bottom to warn of my intended humour.

I also engage pedestrians (another solitary activity) as I walk down the street. Most will give you
a smile and a hello. Its a nice feeling to get that response - or even they intiate the smile, hello
or nod. Its part of my social make up.

Then there are people as you that like to be left alone in life or at times where you enjoy your
solitude. Its ok, not everyone has the same level of social need. I really enjoy a good chat and get
to meet a lot of people. Then you get to meet the regulars you meet on your cycle. You get to know
names and build a sort of friendship with people. I do the same down at my local surfclub. Turn up
for my morning swim and I get greeted by dozens who smile and greet me by name. The one thing I will
do is always try. I probably only think 1 in 10 or less would actually ignore me as we pass. If
cycling in the same direction it would be a lot lot less of a chance to not engage in conversation.
Even serious groups on training runs will chat. Unless they are going too slow :-).

regards peter

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Hi Andrew,

Sorry I was just trying a little humour (bit miffed about the exam though. I have never got a pass
D- before in my life). Sorry if I offended you. I really should not have returned the swearing and
I did mean to add a disclaimer at the bottom to warn of my intended humour.

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regards peter

That wasn't me that graded you D-, that was DRS.

&roo

It makes my day when someone waves or nods. Its a part of cycling which I like. Driving cars all the time people tend to become ignorant of others and their environment imo.

Btw, I was riding outside of Colac (Western VIC.) one day and got a wave from Cliff Young (now sadly deceased) jogging up a hill the other way, something I will never forget!

My 2 cents worth. I do generally nod to other cyclists. However this depends on my duration of
ride etc. If, like the other weekend I did 90Km , towards the end I am rather zonked and hence not
much nodding.

However, generally out in the burbs along the dandenong creek trail I find 80-90% of cyclists
rather responsive to a friendly nod. I think this shows a little respect and acknowledgement to
other riders. Take that how you will!!!! When I ride around the Yarra (Just a treat every now and
again) I enjoy giving a nod to other cyclists etc. I find its a bit of a proximity . Out on the
roads where everything's happening and your further distance apart, it maybe harder to nod at
people. Hence I don't bother. I guess in short, a nod is something one does more on a single and
more localised riding trail when two riders pass in close proximity!! In a Nut Shell- Next time
there's a 120Kg Mass of Mtb biker and bike thundering towards you and its an Avanti
Hammer......You'll get a Nod!!!! .

Thats if I am not to busy with my new Head Up Display system..........LOL

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Andrew Swan said:

Anus said:

Seeing as we're doing the boring "Helmet Debate" again....lets start another boring, old-school
debate!

Why is it that some riders just wont say "hello" back? I mean...it's

not

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

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very hard. Even just a nod of the head. It's just common courtesy! If someone says "Hi"...you
say it back! You'd think we'd all stick

together

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rather than being a bunch of stuck-up [censored].

I've noticed that it's mostly road riders (who struggle to un-clip at lights) that elevate
themselves to the "holier than thou" position of

not

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having to communicate....May 1000 flats come your way!

Maybe it depends where you ride and live. In the country, maybe any kind of cyclist would
nod/wave to any other kind of cyclist - there's just so few of them. Same on a walking trail -
you'd usually nod, smile, or say hello to people coming the other way even though you don't know
them from Adam, whereas if you saw the same person walking towards you on
George/Collins/Hindley/<insert_big_street_here> Street, you'd totally ignore them and nobody
would be the least bit offended. In big cities like Sydney (where I live) or Melbourne (where
one of the earlier posters lives), maybe there's so many cyclists (especially some of the places
I ride) that you don't feel the need to be matey with every single one of them, and prefer to
associate with (or at least nod at) the ones with whom you feel more empathy (e.g. MTBers might
feel more at home with other MTBers, commuters with commuters, roadies with roadies, etc.). I
wouldn't nod at some kid on his BMX in the city any more than he would at me, and neither party
would mind or be surprised by the lack of interaction. I don't pretend to know what it's like to
ride a great piece of singletrack, and maybe the MTBer I see on the street doesn't know what it
means to plan a criterium race just right and [censored] victory on the line - what do we have in
common apart from gears and a chain? Why _would_ we nod or wave to each other? If we're meant to
be such genial souls, why not wave at pedestrians, horse riders, motorbike riders (who have
everything we have), or motorists?

I'd be interested to hear the viewpoint of cyclists who live and ride outside the big cities,
where there is a smaller total cycling population - maybe there is more cross-discipline
interaction there?

&roo Roadie, Commuter, Rec Rider, and general nodder - except to BMX/MTB riders ;-)

In case anyone gets the wrong idea from the above, I see a BIG difference between nodding and
nodding _back_. If you're nodded at by anyone, not to return the gesture is just plain rude. Not
to be the initiator, however, is a matter of personal preference.

&roo

Maybe those riders that dont say HI already have there very own Head Up display!! To busy reading
there own inputs!!

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It's probably a bit like driving from Perth to Melbourne,as you get out

into the sticks people start waving at you and you start waving back,then when you initiate the
wave and it's not reciprocated you think f**k this

and

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stop waving then someone waves again and you don't respond and you feel

like

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a right [censored]................go figure!😎

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Don't worry about them not waving. Always wave - 9 out of 10 will

respond.

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Ignore the setbacks. You could cause a domino effect. You stop waving

then

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someone waves to you and you dont (usually because its too late) and they they say "I am not going
to wave anymore" Wave to them all. Remember

some

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people are just shy and feel uncomfortable interacting with strangers.

Peter