scoff away Lance

The Trailrunner said:

I did my first 50K yesterday since breaking my ankle in May. [...]
I ended up finishing in a little over 6 hours

Hey, way to go TR! Sounds considerably funner than a 4 mile asphalt
loop in a crowd of 5000, no elevation to speak of, and the usual
handful of cranky old women with dogs and [censored] cyclists who, I
guess, figure they pay their taxes so they're entitled to cross the
road when they feel like it, race or no race. (This was my morning, if
you hadn't guessed). And sounds like you performed entirely
respectably too, especially considering.

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(your cue Lance!)

He's so jealous, he has in fact reinvented himself as an homage to you.
I applied some lemon juice to his last post, and discovered he had
signed it thusly in invisible ink:

--- snip ---

- lance, The Trollrunner

Anti-Psychotic Alert: No, I will never cut the *BS*

Trolls of the Hudson Valley
*Trolling - Race Baiting - Buffoonery*

--- snip ---

trailrunnner...i admire you and hope i can run as you do when i'm your
age. just because i mix it up, provoke, challenge, etc. on this
ng...means nothing. i assume on this ng we all have command of our
bodies and minds, can see, etc.

every day i see blind runners....people with real challenges in life.
every single person who challenges their body is a winner in my book.
my fault is assuming we're all able bodied or able minded on this ng.
and i say [censored] on this ng that's out of school....on that assumption.
that's my error.

The Trailrunner said:

I did my first 50K yesterday since breaking my ankle in May. I didn't
start running again until mid December and in the meantime, couldn't do
anything hard enough to stay in shape because of a heart condition.
Well, I got the heart condition fixed this fall and by the time the
ankle was well enough to start running, I got the OK from the doc that I
could push the heart some. So while my "race" was pitiful by most
standards - Lance would undoubtedly call it jogging - man did it feel
good! Because of the heart condition, it was the first time in 3 years I
could push as hard as I wanted.

Woo hoo! Congratulations, Trailrunner. Must be a great feeling getting
back into things. Sounds like a pretty trail too. Who cares about time.
Getting out there again is the important thing.

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Then the last 8K was supposedly all
downhill so I let 'er loose. Unfortunately, 2M from the finish was a
surprise uphill and by then my quads were toast (no uphill training = no
downhill training!) so I went into shuffle mode.

ooops.😉

Then the last mile

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dumped us on a paved, downhill road which my quads REALLY didn't like!

I ended up finishing in a little over 6 hours (your cue Lance!) but
considering the shape I'm in was pleased as punch it wasn't the 7 I
expected. One of my friends I'm coaching (he's aiming for a PR at a 50K
next month), finished a few minutes in front of me to take bragging
rights for our group. But I was second, so the ride home wasn't too bad :-)

Way to go! Thanks for the report of someone actually running 🙂

Dot

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~Julie Udchachon, in reference to the upcoming Susitna 2006

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I did my first 50K yesterday since breaking my ankle in May. I didn't
start running again until mid December and in the meantime, couldn't do
anything hard enough to stay in shape because of a heart condition.
Well, I got the heart condition fixed this fall and by the time the
ankle was well enough to start running, I got the OK from the doc that
I could push the heart some.

Great show!! I'll bet it would take 100 men to chisel the smile off your
face!!!!

-Doug

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I did my first 50K yesterday since breaking my ankle in May. I didn't
start running again until mid December and in the meantime, couldn't do
anything hard enough to stay in shape because of a heart condition.
Well, I got the heart condition fixed this fall and by the time the
ankle was well enough to start running, I got the OK from the doc that I
could push the heart some. So while my "race" was pitiful by most
standards - Lance would undoubtedly call it jogging - man did it feel
good! Because of the heart condition, it was the first time in 3 years I
could push as hard as I wanted.

That must feel really good to push as hard as you want. Hope I get to that
point again.

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The course was almost all singletrack through a redwood forest with
4500+ of climb, a number of waterfalls, a few downed trees to climb
over/under and just enough roots/rocks to make you pay attention. It
rained Friday night but stopped by race time and the skies gradually
cleared as the day wore on. The rain did make parts of the course pretty
muddy and I had to take it real easy on those parts because of my ankle.

Congrats, anything 6ish on that course sounds like a pretty f'ing decent
run!

-Tony

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man did it feel good! Because of the heart condition, it was the
first time in 3 years I could push as hard as I wanted.

That must be a great feeling, coming back the way you did. Good job!

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The course was almost all singletrack through a redwood forest with
4500+ of climb, a number of waterfalls, a few downed trees to climb
over/under and just enough roots/rocks to make you pay attention.

I'm sick with jealousy. ;-)

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I ended up finishing in a little over 6 hours (your cue Lance!) but
considering the shape I'm in was pleased as punch it wasn't the 7 I
expected. One of my friends I'm coaching (he's aiming for a PR at a
50K next month), finished a few minutes in front of me to take
bragging rights for our group. But I was second, so the ride home
wasn't too bad :-)

Congrats on the comeback and the race. Thanks for the report.

--
Phil M.

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I did my first 50K yesterday since breaking my ankle in May. I didn't
start running again until mid December and in the meantime, couldn't do
anything hard enough to stay in shape because of a heart condition.
Well, I got the heart condition fixed this fall and by the time the
ankle was well enough to start running, I got the OK from the doc that
I could push the heart some.

Big Congrats! Glad to hear the heart is OK'd now too. THanks for the
interesting report!!

Teresa in AZ

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trailrunnner...i admire you and hope i can run as you do when i'm your
age. just because i mix it up, provoke, challenge, etc. on this
ng...means nothing.

Lance,
If I thought you were serious, as opposed to ignorant :-), about some
some of the things we babble about here I'd ignore you. I realize that
all the grief is in jest and that we're all here to learn a little and
be amused a lot.

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- The Trailrunner

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Charlie Pendejo said:

The Trailrunner said:

I did my first 50K yesterday since breaking my ankle in May. [...]
I ended up finishing in a little over 6 hours

Hey, way to go TR! Sounds considerably funner than a 4 mile asphalt
loop in a crowd of 5000, no elevation to speak of, and the usual
handful of cranky old women with dogs and [censored] cyclists who, I
guess, figure they pay their taxes so they're entitled to cross the
road when they feel like it, race or no race.

Charlie,
That's why we LOVE trails!

Quoted message said:

He's so jealous, he has in fact reinvented himself as an homage to you.
I applied some lemon juice to his last post, and discovered he had
signed it thusly in invisible ink:

--- snip ---

- lance, The Trollrunner

Anti-Psychotic Alert: No, I will never cut the *BS*

Trolls of the Hudson Valley
*Trolling - Race Baiting - Buffoonery*

--- snip ---

Now THAT'S funny :-))))))))

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- The Trailrunner

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Dot said:

Woo hoo! Congratulations, Trailrunner. Must be a great feeling getting
back into things. Sounds like a pretty trail too. Who cares about time.
Getting out there again is the important thing.

Thanks Dot! Like the other trail runners have been saying, it ain't just
about time! And while the most important thing is to be able to just be
"out there" it was fun to be able to run with abandon again.
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Doug Freese said:

Great show!! I'll bet it would take 100 men to chisel the smile off your
face!!!!

Thanks Doug! One of the things I thought about is now if I can just make
it back east to the BRR, I just might be able to give old Dougie a run
for his money now :-) It ain't gonna happen this year, but next....?
BTW, did you see about the addition of a 100M to the Tahoe Rim 50/50?
I've done both 50s, I've got a potential pacer that has a cabin 20
minutes from the start, I could get up there to train for a week or so
and there ain't no damn lottery. Help!!! I need therapy or someone to
talk me out of this :-))))

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The Trailrunner said:

Quoted message said:

trailrunnner...i admire you and hope i can run as you do when i'm your
age. just because i mix it up, provoke, challenge, etc. on this
ng...means nothing.

Lance,
If I thought you were serious, as opposed to ignorant :-), about some
some of the things we babble about here I'd ignore you. I realize that
all the grief is in jest and that we're all here to learn a little and
be amused a lot.

Group hug.

--
Phil M.

Tony S. said:

That must feel really good to push as hard as you want. Hope I get to that
point again.

Tony,
You best if you don't want to loose your money to Lance :-) I'm
fortunate in that I can run all year here, so starting back in December
sure isn't the problem it would be in NY!

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Thanks Doug! One of the things I thought about is now if I can just
make it back east to the BRR, I just might be able to give old Dougie
a run for his money now :-)

I'm ready for you big boy. Bring that skinny ass out here and I show you
how to drink some seriuos post race Heineken. Oh the race, to hell with
that, more fun to run and catch up on life. You know, a stroll in the
park as Lance likes to say. 🙂

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It ain't gonna happen this year, but next....?

Maybe just as well you don't this year. My ho's have been really
progressing at a scary pace. I use to led most of the hill climbs and
now I'm in the second pile, running faster, yet still second. The one
girl that I'm doing BR with will dust me this year. I can see her
growing at a weekly pace.

I think I'm in good shape this year for the BR. It will take great
willpower to hold back at the HAT run. This years mantra, very slow
first half and that let it out, repeat times 100. 😉

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BTW, did you see about the addition of a 100M to the Tahoe Rim 50/50?

Not a race I follow I'll have to look it up.

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I could get up there to train for a week or so and there ain't no damn
lottery. Help!!! I need therapy or someone to talk me out of this
:-))))

Take two aspirins and call me in the morning. A 35 hour cut-off
suggests you best sign up for a lobotomy. What's the elevation gain and
loss on this puppy. I didn't see any numbers. It looks beautiful and not
a bad place to die. 🙂

-Doug

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You best if you don't want to loose your money to Lance :-)

Tony can go out and spend that money tomorrow. 😉

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I'm fortunate in that I can run all year here, so starting back in
December sure isn't the problem it would be in NY!

We can run all year also but not on trails unless we put funny things on
our feet.

-DF

Doug Freese said:

Take two aspirins and call me in the morning. A 35 hour cut-off
suggests you best sign up for a lobotomy. What's the elevation gain
and loss on this puppy. I didn't see any numbers. It looks beautiful
and not a bad place to die. 🙂

The gain is something like 18-19000' so while a bunch, is not the big
problem. That would be the altitude. Starts at 7200' goes over 9000' 6
times and averages over 8000' I "run" in the Sierra some every year and
coming from basically sea level, it has a major effect. When I did the
50M I was doing it as a training run for a 100 so took it real easy (12
hour finish) and didn't have any problems. But when I tried to "race"
the 50K, that lasted about 1/2 mile :-) The good news is I did the 50M
easy so know I can do it at that pace and still have plenty left so even
if I take 14 for the first 50, I've got 21 hours to finish. The bad news
will be if I need all of those 21 hours!

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Tony can go out and spend that money tomorrow. 😉

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1. so tell me doug what gives you such confidence & certainty to hold
this opinion? and you have me pegged for what? 4:18? (1 Hour Over
my Marathon time?, if I am able to finish the race at all?)

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1. so tell me doug what gives you such confidence & certainty to hold
this opinion?

1. You're wounded.
2. Your last marathon was a bust and to go back any further is silly.
3. You never stepped foot on that trail and I'm guessing you never have
run on anything with that kind of footing
4. When was the last time you tried to do 10k of very steep up and down?
Ever? Never?
5. Unless you train specifically for this race your quads will turn to
putty at mile 12 and you will walk all or most of the last 10k.
6. You have no idea how to run this race, then again as you have said
before, you're an experienced trail race tactician. 😉

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and you have me pegged for what? 4:18? (1 Hour Over
my Marathon time?,

Buzzz! Wrong answer. What you did some years back does not count. That
just says what condition you were in then and nothing about today. The
plus 1 swag at time means recently and you down time suggests you have
a ways to go to get ready. Stick with short road races and try again
next year. Of course you will need to requalify but getting under 5
should be a cake walk for you.

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if I am able to finish the race at all?)

As we discussed before, and reinforced by your mentor, if you're not
100% this is not the race to run. I don't think you can get healed
enough to train properly. Unless 100% you 5+ hours or get walked out
with the aid station for not making the cut offs. All this assumes you
don't fall and pierce/break one or more parts of you body.

As I said, you're peeing into the fan. Slither away and choose a
different windmill

-DougF

Excellent run. Done on muscle memory and memory, no doubt. Did you have a
heart rhythm problem?

I had episode about 8 years ago (cured with RF catheterization), and it took
me awhile to come back from the procedure.

-- Dan