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  1. ...(sorta in a Frank Burns voice if you know the M*A*S*H episode)

    Well, after 6+ weeks, the "Dell from Hell" has finally arrived (very long story). So, in a few
    minutes I'll be unplugging my trusty-but-buggy ol' K62 that has served me pretty darned well for,
    what, 4 years at least, right? Then I get to set up the new system and try to actually stay
    connected to the world (and you blokes/blokettes 🙂

    Of course, the gnarly dust bunnies may consume me before I even get to plug in anything; however,
    assuming I live I'll be back here within {???} hours and we'll see what's what.

    Until then,

    Bill "dreadful anticipation" S.

  2. "Sorni" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    ...(sorta in a Frank Burns voice if you know the M*A*S*H episode)

    Well, after 6+ weeks, the "Dell from Hell" has finally arrived (very long story). So, in a few
    minutes I'll be unplugging my trusty-but-buggy ol'


    K62

    Quoted message said:

    that has served me pretty darned well for, what, 4 years at least, right? Then I get to set up the
    new system and try to actually stay connected to the world (and you blokes/blokettes 🙂

    Of course, the gnarly dust bunnies may consume me before I even get to


    plug

    Quoted message said:

    in anything; however, assuming I live I'll be back here within {???} hours and we'll see
    what's what.

    Until then,

    Bill "dreadful anticipation" S.

    Aaack! Well, here I am...6 hours later...much tweaking to do...

    Bill "I hate change" S.

  3. Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    ...(sorta in a Frank Burns voice if you know the M*A*S*H episode)

    Well, after 6+ weeks, the "Dell from Hell" has finally arrived (very long story). So, in a few
    minutes I'll be unplugging my trusty-but-buggy ol'


    K62

    Quoted message said:

    that has served me pretty darned well for, what, 4 years at least, right? Then I get to set up
    the new system and try to actually stay connected to the world (and you blokes/blokettes 🙂

    Of course, the gnarly dust bunnies may consume me before I even get to


    plug

    Quoted message said:

    in anything; however, assuming I live I'll be back here within {???} hours and we'll see
    what's what.

    Until then,

    Bill "dreadful anticipation" S.

    Aaack! Well, here I am...6 hours later...much tweaking to do...

    Bill "I hate change" S.

    Ahh...I was going to give you another day before calling for the Search & Rescue crew.
    --
    Slacker

  4. Saddle Sorni <[email hidden]> spoke thusly...

    Quoted message said:

    "Sorni" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    ...(sorta in a Frank Burns voice if you know the M*A*S*H episode)

    Well, after 6+ weeks, the "Dell from Hell" has finally arrived (very long story). So, in a few
    minutes I'll be unplugging my trusty-but-buggy ol'


    K62

    Quoted message said:

    that has served me pretty darned well for, what, 4 years at least, right? Then I get to set up
    the new system and try to actually stay connected to the world (and you blokes/blokettes 🙂

    Of course, the gnarly dust bunnies may consume me before I even get to


    plug

    Quoted message said:

    in anything; however, assuming I live I'll be back here within {???} hours and we'll see
    what's what.

    Until then,

    Bill "dreadful anticipation" S.

    Aaack! Well, here I am...6 hours later...much tweaking to do...

    Bill "I hate change" S.

    you think you hate change now, try a day of OCD and you will wish you could change.
    --
    ~Travis

    megalink.net~farmers

  5. "Sorni" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    ...(sorta in a Frank Burns voice if you know the M*A*S*H episode)

    Well, after 6+ weeks, the "Dell from Hell" has finally arrived (very long story). So, in a few
    minutes I'll be unplugging my trusty-but-buggy ol'


    K62

    Quoted message said:

    that has served me pretty darned well for, what, 4 years at least, right? Then I get to set up the
    new system and try to actually stay connected to the world (and you blokes/blokettes 🙂

    Of course, the gnarly dust bunnies may consume me before I even get to


    plug

    Quoted message said:

    in anything; however, assuming I live I'll be back here within {???} hours and we'll see
    what's what.

    Until then,

    Bill "dreadful anticipation" S.

    Funny, I just plugged a new Dell in day before yesterday. It took 14 days to get here and they even
    managed to put the shipping address labels on, correctly, upside down, for us Southern Hemisphere
    folk. The battle to set up the home network and transfer essential files has begun!
    --
    Westie

  6. Westie <[email hidden]> spoke thusly...

    Quoted message said:


    "Sorni" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    ...(sorta in a Frank Burns voice if you know the M*A*S*H episode)

    Well, after 6+ weeks, the "Dell from Hell" has finally arrived (very long story). So, in a few
    minutes I'll be unplugging my trusty-but-buggy ol'


    K62

    Quoted message said:

    that has served me pretty darned well for, what, 4 years at least, right? Then I get to set up
    the new system and try to actually stay connected to the world (and you blokes/blokettes 🙂

    Of course, the gnarly dust bunnies may consume me before I even get to


    plug

    Quoted message said:

    in anything; however, assuming I live I'll be back here within {???} hours and we'll see
    what's what.

    Until then,

    Bill "dreadful anticipation" S.

    Funny, I just plugged a new Dell in day before yesterday. It took 14 days to get here and they
    even managed to put the shipping address labels on, correctly, upside down, for us Southern
    Hemisphere folk. The battle to set up the home network and transfer essential files has begun!
    --
    Westie

    Note, DO NOT use the XP Internet Connection Sharing, it will take over your network entirely.
    --
    ~Travis

    megalink.net~farmers

  7. "Westie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "Sorni" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    ...(sorta in a Frank Burns voice if you know the M*A*S*H episode)

    Well, after 6+ weeks, the "Dell from Hell" has finally arrived (very


    long

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    story). So, in a few minutes I'll be unplugging my trusty-but-buggy ol'


    K62

    Quoted message said:

    that has served me pretty darned well for, what, 4 years at least,


    right?

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Then I get to set up the new system and try to actually stay connected


    to

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    the world (and you blokes/blokettes 🙂

    Of course, the gnarly dust bunnies may consume me before I even get to


    plug

    Quoted message said:

    in anything; however, assuming I live I'll be back here within {???}


    hours

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    and we'll see what's what.

    Until then,

    Bill "dreadful anticipation" S.

    Funny, I just plugged a new Dell in day before yesterday. It took 14 days to get here and they
    even managed to put the shipping address labels on, correctly, upside down, for us Southern
    Hemisphere folk. The battle to


    set

    Quoted message said:

    up the home network and transfer essential files has begun!

    Well, I ordered on *MAY 18th*, and just got something yestreday. (Believe me, VERY long story!)

    Anyway, all seems to be working fine (love the 18" flat panel, even if it proves I'm going blind);
    like you I have a challenge ahead getting things "just so".

    Bill "86'd the 'Saddle Sorni' (as well as S o r n i and S*O*R*N*I and Bill Sornson and...)" S.

  8. Saddle Sorni said:


    "Sorni" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    ...(sorta in a Frank Burns voice if you know the M*A*S*H episode)

    Well, after 6+ weeks, the "Dell from Hell" has finally arrived (very long story). So, in a few
    minutes I'll be unplugging my trusty-but-buggy ol'


    K62

    Quoted message said:

    that has served me pretty darned well for, what, 4 years at least, right? Then I get to set up
    the new system and try to actually stay connected to the world (and you blokes/blokettes 🙂

    Of course, the gnarly dust bunnies may consume me before I even get to


    plug

    Quoted message said:

    in anything; however, assuming I live I'll be back here within {???} hours and we'll see
    what's what.

    Until then,

    Bill "dreadful anticipation" S.

    Aaack! Well, here I am...6 hours later...much tweaking to do...

    Bill "I hate change" S.

    That's fine, I like change. Send me *all* your spare change.

    --
    J'm

    To Reply Direct, Remove Clothes. ...-.-

  9. Sorni <[email hidden]> spoke thusly...

    Quoted message said:

    "Westie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "Sorni" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    ...(sorta in a Frank Burns voice if you know the M*A*S*H episode)

    Well, after 6+ weeks, the "Dell from Hell" has finally arrived (very


    long

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    story). So, in a few minutes I'll be unplugging my trusty-but-buggy ol'


    K62

    Quoted message said:

    that has served me pretty darned well for, what, 4 years at least,


    right?

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Then I get to set up the new system and try to actually stay connected


    to

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    the world (and you blokes/blokettes 🙂

    Of course, the gnarly dust bunnies may consume me before I even get to


    plug

    Quoted message said:

    in anything; however, assuming I live I'll be back here within {???}


    hours

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    and we'll see what's what.

    Until then,

    Bill "dreadful anticipation" S.

    Funny, I just plugged a new Dell in day before yesterday. It took 14 days to get here and they
    even managed to put the shipping address labels on, correctly, upside down, for us Southern
    Hemisphere folk. The battle to


    set

    Quoted message said:

    up the home network and transfer essential files has begun!

    Well, I ordered on *MAY 18th*, and just got something yestreday. (Believe me, VERY long story!)

    Anyway, all seems to be working fine (love the 18" flat panel, even if it proves I'm going blind);
    like you I have a challenge ahead getting things "just so".

    Bill "86'd the 'Saddle Sorni' (as well as S o r n i and S*O*R*N*I and Bill Sornson and...)" S.

    would it have anything to do with the IQ of the "Customer Representatives"?

    when i ordered my computer, i ordered the top of the line speakers (the
    5.1 THX certified ones), but , i ordered the lowest soundcard they had. i spent an hour trying to
    explain to them that i had a SB Live 5.1 soundcard and it _is_ compatible with the speakers. their
    rebuttal was "no, you have onboard sound, and it _is not_ compatible". so finally, i got the guys
    email address (had two phone lines at the time) tossed the card on my scanner (no digital camera
    at the time as it was coming with the computer) and send a nice high resolution image of the card.
    at this, the guy says "but you could have just gotten that picture off the internet". so i says to
    him "and if i did, then it won't fit, but what the hell do you care cause i have to lay down $300
    for the damn things so if they do not work, it is my loss not yours, so just send me the damn
    things." a few days later, my new speakers arrived via UPS.
    --
    ~Travis

    megalink.net~farmers

  10. "Technician" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Westie <[email hidden]> spoke thusly...


    <snip>

    Quoted message said:


    Note, DO NOT use the XP Internet Connection Sharing, it will take over your network entirely.
    --
    ~Travis

    Unless, of course you have an XP machine that you want to share the Internet from. It's not that
    bad, IMO. You just have to realize it has it's own DHCP server built in, so you need to turn off any
    other DHCP server and let it control the addressing scheme.

    For the average home user (without a router) this is probably a good thing because they don't
    usually want to mess with addressing, subnets, and that kind of stuff.

    It's a fine line between making stuff user friendly for the uninitiated while still keeping the
    power users happy.

    Matt

  11. MattB <[email hidden]> spoke thusly...

    Quoted message said:

    "Technician" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Westie <[email hidden]> spoke thusly...


    <snip>

    Quoted message said:


    Note, DO NOT use the XP Internet Connection Sharing, it will take over your network entirely.
    --
    ~Travis

    Unless, of course you have an XP machine that you want to share the Internet from. It's not that
    bad, IMO. You just have to realize it has it's own DHCP server built in, so you need to turn off
    any other DHCP server and let it control the addressing scheme.

    For the average home user (without a router) this is probably a good thing because they don't
    usually want to mess with addressing, subnets, and that kind of stuff.

    It's a fine line between making stuff user friendly for the uninitiated while still keeping the
    power users happy.

    Matt

    Like i said, it takes over the network. I do run a DHCP server, and it's settings are correct, where
    XP figures that all IP addresses other than itself are free for the taking. several times when my
    computer would be off, and she would turn hers on (hers is DHCP to be compatible with the school
    network), it would take my IP address so when i turn mine on, i get an address conflict. mine is
    static, as is my server, because there are ports that are forwarded to them.
    --
    ~Travis

    megalink.net~farmers

  12. "Technician" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    MattB <[email hidden]> spoke thusly...

    Quoted message said:

    "Technician" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Westie <[email hidden]> spoke thusly...


    <snip>

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Like i said, it takes over the network. I do run a DHCP server, and it's settings are correct,
    where XP figures that all IP addresses other than itself are free for the taking. several times
    when my computer would be off, and she would turn hers on (hers is DHCP to be compatible with the
    school network), it would take my IP address so when i turn mine on, i get an address conflict.
    mine is static, as is my server, because there are ports that are forwarded to them.
    --
    ~Travis

    megalink.net~farmers

    But you are not the intended market. How many typical families who want to easily share their
    Internet connection do you think will already have a DHCP server? Probably not very many (yes,
    this is an arguable point). I think the design of this product had two primary goals, one of which
    I agree with and one I don't. You can configure your own gateway and addressing scheme, therefore
    you don't need it. A lot of folks can't or don't want to learn how, so I think it's a good
    solution for them.

    The goals are to make it easy for the novice. Almost "plug n' play", which is how consumer gear
    should work.

    Now they did go and make it non-configurable, so you have to use their scheme. This plays into goal
    #2 which is to force you to buy Win2k Server (and/or other server products) if you already have an
    addressing scheme and/or existing DHCP server and you want to share an Internet connection. Usually
    that doesn't matter because if you already have all that you are likely to have (or not mind
    getting) a router/firewall that will do NAT for you and make connection available to the LAN.

    Matt

  13. MattB <[email hidden]> spoke thusly...

    Quoted message said:

    "Technician" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    MattB <[email hidden]> spoke thusly...

    Quoted message said:

    "Technician" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...
    > Westie <[email hidden]> spoke thusly...


    <snip>

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Like i said, it takes over the network. I do run a DHCP server, and it's settings are correct,
    where XP figures that all IP addresses other than itself are free for the taking. several times
    when my computer would be off, and she would turn hers on (hers is DHCP to be compatible with
    the school network), it would take my IP address so when i turn mine on, i get an address
    conflict. mine is static, as is my server, because there are ports that are forwarded to them.
    --
    ~Travis

    megalink.net~farmers

    But you are not the intended market. How many typical families who want to easily share their
    Internet connection do you think will already have a DHCP server? Probably not very many (yes,
    this is an arguable point). I think the design of this product had two primary goals, one of which
    I agree with and one I don't. You can configure your own gateway and addressing scheme, therefore
    you don't need it. A lot of folks can't or don't want to learn how, so I think it's a good
    solution for them.

    Here is the solution, ICS only on the Home edition, and NAT for the Pro edition.

    Quoted message said:


    The goals are to make it easy for the novice. Almost "plug n' play", which is how consumer gear
    should work.

    Yes, plug n' play, but not stupid. if they had a way to turn off the DHCP server, i would
    not complain.

    Quoted message said:

    Now they did go and make it non-configurable, so you have to use their scheme. This plays into
    goal #2 which is to force you to buy Win2k Server (and/or other server products) if you already
    have an addressing scheme and/or existing DHCP server and you want to share an Internet
    connection. Usually that doesn't matter because if you already have all that you are likely to
    have (or not mind getting) a router/firewall that will do NAT for you and make connection
    available to the LAN.

    Matt

    I have a linux router in the works for the entire network. i will no doubt have dial-up on it,
    though i may be able to afford DSL by then.
    --
    ~Travis

    megalink.net~farmers

  14. "Technician" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    MattB <[email hidden]> spoke thusly...

    Quoted message said:

    "Technician" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    MattB <[email hidden]> spoke thusly...
    > "Technician" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    > "]news:[email hidden]...
    > > Westie <[email hidden]> spoke thusly...


    <snip>

    Quoted message said:

    >

    Like i said, it takes over the network. I do run a DHCP server, and


    it's

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    settings are correct, where XP figures that all IP addresses other


    than

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    itself are free for the taking. several times when my computer would


    be

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    off, and she would turn hers on (hers is DHCP to be compatible with


    the

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    school network), it would take my IP address so when i turn mine on, i get an address
    conflict. mine is static, as is my server, because


    there

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
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    are ports that are forwarded to them.
    --
    ~Travis

    megalink.net~farmers

    But you are not the intended market. How many typical families who want


    to

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    easily share their Internet connection do you think will already have a


    DHCP

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    server? Probably not very many (yes, this is an arguable point). I think


    the

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    design of this product had two primary goals, one of which I agree with


    and

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    one I don't. You can configure your own gateway and addressing scheme, therefore you don't need
    it. A lot of folks can't or don't want to learn how, so I think it's a good solution for them.

    Exactly the point. Who cares how it works as long as it works? It's like making you become a
    mechanic if you own a car. There are a lot people that just want to drive, not worry about how it
    works. Why learn about something that, quite simply, doesn't interest you?

    Quoted message said:

    Here is the solution, ICS only on the Home edition, and NAT for the Pro edition.

    Quoted message said:


    The goals are to make it easy for the novice. Almost "plug n' play",


    which

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    is how consumer gear should work.

    Novice might not be the correct word. 'Normal user' might be a better way of phrasing it. Why should
    anyone, even an experienced user, really have to worry about their ports and addresses? It should be
    like a SLR camera. A green 'idiot proof' programmed point 'n' shoot button (plug 'n' play) and then
    other manual modes for the tech heads. Usable yet flexible and powerful.

    Quoted message said:

    Yes, plug n' play, but not stupid. if they had a way to turn off the DHCP server, i would not
    complain.

    Quoted message said:

    Now they did go and make it non-configurable, so you have to use their scheme. This plays into
    goal #2 which is to force you to buy Win2k


    Server

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    (and/or other server products) if you already have an addressing scheme and/or existing DHCP
    server and you want to share an Internet


    connection.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Usually that doesn't matter because if you already have all that you are likely to have (or not
    mind getting) a router/firewall that will do NAT


    for

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    you and make connection available to the LAN.

    Matt

    I have a linux router in the works for the entire network. i will no doubt have dial-up on it,
    though i may be able to afford DSL by then.
    --
    ~Travis


    --
    Westie

  15. Westie <[email hidden]> spoke thusly...

    Quoted message said:


    "Technician" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    MattB <[email hidden]> spoke thusly...

    Quoted message said:

    "Technician" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...
    > MattB <[email hidden]> spoke thusly...
    > > "Technician" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    > > "]news:[email hidden]...
    > > > Westie <[email hidden]> spoke thusly...
    <snip>
    > >
    >
    > Like i said, it takes over the network. I do run a DHCP server, and


    it's

    Quoted message said:
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    > settings are correct, where XP figures that all IP addresses other


    than

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    > itself are free for the taking. several times when my computer would


    be

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    > off, and she would turn hers on (hers is DHCP to be compatible with


    the

    Quoted message said:
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    > school network), it would take my IP address so when i turn mine on, i get an address
    > conflict. mine is static, as is my server, because


    there

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > are ports that are forwarded to them.
    > --
    > ~Travis
    >
    > megalink.net~farmers

    But you are not the intended market. How many typical families who want


    to

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    easily share their Internet connection do you think will already have a


    DHCP

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    server? Probably not very many (yes, this is an arguable point). I think


    the

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    design of this product had two primary goals, one of which I agree with


    and

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    one I don't. You can configure your own gateway and addressing scheme, therefore you don't
    need it. A lot of folks can't or don't want to learn how, so I think it's a good solution for
    them.

    Exactly the point. Who cares how it works as long as it works? It's like making you become a
    mechanic if you own a car. There are a lot people that just want to drive, not worry about how it
    works. Why learn about something that, quite simply, doesn't interest you?

    IMO, those who own a car should know the basics. how to change oil, how to check oil, how to change
    air filter, how to change plugs, how to check tire pressure and top off if needed, and how to
    change a tire.

    To some, these may seem a bit much, to others, these may seem like not enough. Now, for computers,
    same goes. if you are going to have a network, you better god damn well at least know how to set up
    the basics like an IP address/subnet. and if you are setting up DHCP, know _how_ to set up DHCP.

    But that is just my opinion.
    --
    ~Travis

    megalink.net~farmers

  16. "Technician" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:


    IMO, those who own a car should know the basics. how to change oil, how to check oil, how to
    change air filter, how to change plugs, how to check tire pressure and top off if needed, and how
    to change a tire.

    To some, these may seem a bit much, to others, these may seem like not enough. Now, for
    computers, same goes. if you are going to have a network, you better god damn well at least know
    how to set up the basics like an IP address/subnet. and if you are setting up DHCP, know _how_ to
    set up DHCP.

    But that is just my opinion.

    Change oil? Change plugs? That's a bit much for the average driver, Trav. Get it wrong, and you've
    lunched the engine.

    Changing the oil costs about $15 at Jiffoline. Doing it myself costs about $7. AND take care not to
    spill any on the driveway. AND make sure you have all the parts/spplies before you start. (Oh
    [censored]...this car needs a new crush washer every time you take out the drain plug. Too bad all the oil
    is out, I can't go get a new one.) AND I have to find somewhere to dispose of it.

    Subnets? IP address? DHCP? Gobbldygook. I know how to do all of the above, and you might....but most
    don't. And they shouldn't need to. For a simple sharing between home PC's, it *should* be simple.
    Hell...an awful lot of people have never updated the stock antivirus def's that came with the PC 2
    years ago. Nor updated the OS. Why do you think we still get scanned for old trojans?

    I've seen far too many people that get lost past point and shoot. Some people just *do not get it*.
    But those are the ones that buy stuff.

    This is why Linux is not ready for prime time.

    Pete RTFM indeed

  17. Pete <[email hidden]> spoke thusly...

    Quoted message said:


    "Technician" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:


    IMO, those who own a car should know the basics. how to change oil, how to check oil, how to
    change air filter, how to change plugs, how to check tire pressure and top off if needed, and
    how to change a tire.

    To some, these may seem a bit much, to others, these may seem like not enough. Now, for
    computers, same goes. if you are going to have a network, you better god damn well at least know
    how to set up the basics like an IP address/subnet. and if you are setting up DHCP, know _how_
    to set up DHCP.

    But that is just my opinion.

    Change oil? Change plugs? That's a bit much for the average driver, Trav. Get it wrong, and you've
    lunched the engine.

    Changing the oil costs about $15 at Jiffoline. Doing it myself costs about $7. AND take care not
    to spill any on the driveway. AND make sure you have all the parts/spplies before you start. (Oh
    [censored]...this car needs a new crush washer every time you take out the drain plug. Too bad all the
    oil is out, I can't go get a new one.) AND I have to find somewhere to dispose of it.

    Subnets? IP address? DHCP? Gobbldygook. I know how to do all of the above, and you might....but
    most don't. And they shouldn't need to. For a simple sharing between home PC's, it *should* be
    simple. Hell...an awful lot of people have never updated the stock antivirus def's that came with
    the PC 2 years ago. Nor updated the OS. Why do you think we still get scanned for old trojans?

    I've seen far too many people that get lost past point and shoot. Some people just *do not get
    it*. But those are the ones that buy stuff.

    This is why Linux is not ready for prime time.

    Pete RTFM indeed

    Hate to tell you, linux is already in prime time. I know for one, my ISP uses linux servers, all my
    past ISPs used linux servers. my old college used Windows NT, but hell, they are a bunch of know
    nothings anyway ("there are not 8 bits in a byte you dumbass, there are 7"😉. that's why i left
    there. hell, even my own psudo-ISP (aka, accepts dial-ins for services and internet, but one 4.8K
    modem does not quite qualify) runs linux.

    But for the most part, a lot of ISPs are using linux, as well as millions of people as individuals.

    You can't go by their stock, or the number of linux sales for the reason that linux is FREE. (boxed
    retail versions come with a manual and a few pockets full of applications.) a lot of people that use
    it just download
    it. if i recall a while back, one of the Mandrake Linux mirrors reported a figure of about
    350,000 downloads (counted when file is started so as to not include resumes). and that's
    just one mirror.

    I am not trying to start a "use linux, not microsoft" thread (notice, no mention on the pros/cons
    of either os), i was just pointing out that linux is bigger than the folks at M$ would have you
    belive. Microsoft is in it for the money, so they count their earnings as their successes. Linux is
    in it to provide a free alternative to Unix, thus, they count their successes by the number of
    users using their OS.
    --
    ~Travis

    megalink.net~farmers

  18. Some people rambled:

    <snip!>

    Wow - how totally and utterly dull.

    Shaun aRe

  19. "Technician" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:


    Hate to tell you, linux is already in prime time. I know for one, my ISP uses linux servers, all
    my past ISPs used linux servers. my old college used Windows NT, but hell, they are a bunch of
    know nothings anyway ("there are not 8 bits in a byte you dumbass, there are 7"😉. that's why i
    left there. hell, even my own psudo-ISP (aka, accepts dial-ins for services and internet, but one
    4.8K modem does not quite qualify) runs linux.

    Prime time for servers, yes. We have several at work.

    We were speaking of general user desktops.

    Pete and if you left a college because of their choice in servers...

  20. Pete <[email hidden]> spoke thusly...

    Quoted message said:


    "Technician" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:


    Hate to tell you, linux is already in prime time. I know for one, my ISP uses linux servers, all
    my past ISPs used linux servers. my old college used Windows NT, but hell, they are a bunch of
    know nothings anyway ("there are not 8 bits in a byte you dumbass, there are 7"😉. that's why i
    left there. hell, even my own psudo-ISP (aka, accepts dial-ins for services and internet, but
    one 4.8K modem does not quite qualify) runs linux.

    Prime time for servers, yes. We have several at work.

    We were speaking of general user desktops.

    that's because every single new computer now seems to come with windows pre-installed. people are
    brainwashed into thinking that is the only choice.

    Quoted message said:

    Pete and if you left a college because of their choice in servers...

    no, i left because the teachers suck. one of the teachers (a computer teacher) tried to argue to me
    that there are 8 bits in a byte. and an english teacher (straight out of college herself) gave me an
    F on a essay that IMO was the best thing i have ever written (and i have a documented writing
    disability so to even write an essay is a feat comparable with climbing mount everest). i caught up
    with my old HS english teacher and told him about it. he asked me to mail him the paper. when i did,
    he came back that if i had written that in his class it would have been an easy A++, and he went so
    far as to write a formal letter to the college administrators. i managed to get a 100% refund for
    that course ;-)
    --
    ~Travis

    megalink.net~farmers

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