shimano complaints

fred said:

I have shimano 9 speed Dura ace STI shifters which are broken for the
second time (right shifter will not downshift). The first time it was
covered by warranty,but now I am afraid I have to buy another one.
They can't be repaired. A new one is $270. Can you believe a
replacement 10 speed dura ace STI shifters cost $430?
When my campy shifter broke my LBS charged $30 for a new spring and it
was fixed. Campy costs alittle more up front, but they aren't
disposable like shimano and are cheaper to maintain if you plan on
keeping your bike for a few years.

You're preaching to the choir. As a last resort, have you tried flushing
with WD-40?
--
Phil, Squid-in-Training

fred said:

I have shimano 9 speed Dura ace STI shifters which are broken for the
second time (right shifter will not downshift). The first time it was
covered by warranty,but now I am afraid I have to buy another one.
They can't be repaired. A new one is $270. Can you believe a
replacement 10 speed dura ace STI shifters cost $430?
When my campy shifter broke my LBS charged $30 for a new spring and it
was fixed. Campy costs alittle more up front, but they aren't
disposable like shimano and are cheaper to maintain if you plan on
keeping your bike for a few years.

Yknow, really a lot of the time, STI/rapidfire failures are all about
one of the tiny springs being broken. They're not nearly as mysterious
inside, nor as difficult to deal disassemble/reassemble, as they're
made out to be. If it was mine I wouldn't proclaim it fully dead until
I understood what was wrong with it.

fred said:

I have shimano 9 speed Dura ace STI shifters which are broken for the
second time (right shifter will not downshift). The first time it was
covered by warranty,but now I am afraid I have to buy another one.
They can't be repaired. A new one is $270. Can you believe a
replacement 10 speed dura ace STI shifters cost $430?
When my campy shifter broke my LBS charged $30 for a new spring and it
was fixed. Campy costs alittle more up front, but they aren't
disposable like shimano and are cheaper to maintain if you plan on
keeping your bike for a few years.

Having just built up a bike and opting to stay 9-speed since I already had
the drivetrain (sans shifters and FD), I think you can find 10-speed DA for
a lot less than $430. (I have a triple so stayed 9 speed since 10 is double
only still {?}, but Performance had '06 DA STIs on sale for LESS than I paid
to order DA-9s {$299 + tax}.) Shop around.

Bill "was tempted to go 10 w/compact double...but would've needed new
cassette, rear derailleur, etc. etc. etc" S.

fred said:

I have shimano 9 speed Dura ace STI shifters which are broken for the
second time (right shifter will not downshift). The first time it was
covered by warranty,but now I am afraid I have to buy another one.
They can't be repaired. A new one is $270. Can you believe a
replacement 10 speed dura ace STI shifters cost $430?
When my campy shifter broke my LBS charged $30 for a new spring and it
was fixed. Campy costs alittle more up front, but they aren't
disposable like shimano and are cheaper to maintain if you plan on
keeping your bike for a few years.

A buddy of mine crashed and ruined his right brifter. He got a new
Tiagra replacement. No need to buy 2. The newish Tiagra has the same
form as the 9 speed DA, so apart from the finish, he couldn't tell the
difference. I'll bet a Tiagra one is about $80.

Joseph

fred said:

I have shimano 9 speed Dura ace STI shifters which are broken for the
second time (right shifter will not downshift). The first time it was
covered by warranty,but now I am afraid I have to buy another one.
They can't be repaired. A new one is $270. Can you believe a
replacement 10 speed dura ace STI shifters cost $430?
When my campy shifter broke my LBS charged $30 for a new spring and it
was fixed. Campy costs alittle more up front, but they aren't
disposable like shimano and are cheaper to maintain if you plan on
keeping your bike for a few years.

9s DA down tube shifters can be had for less than $60 new from Nashbar,
iirc. Barcons probably aren't much more expensive.

Or maybe you can go for the Lance Armstrong look (yes, I know it's your
RIGHT lever 🙂):
http://www.hs.fi/uutiset/tuoreet/kuva/1101980273861

fred said:

I have shimano 9 speed Dura ace STI shifters which are broken for the
second time (right shifter will not downshift). The first time it was
covered by warranty,but now I am afraid I have to buy another one.
They can't be repaired. A new one is $270. Can you believe a
replacement 10 speed dura ace STI shifters cost $430?
When my campy shifter broke my LBS charged $30 for a new spring and it
was fixed. Campy costs alittle more up front, but they aren't
disposable like shimano and are cheaper to maintain if you plan on
keeping your bike for a few years.

Hmmmm-the choir, like the next gent said. BUT material for material,
like aluminum-Centaur-costs WAY less than Ultegra, Even Veloce, same
innards is WAY less than even Tiagra or 105.

OEM and what people see in most bike shops means most riders know
little to nothing of Campagnolo, along with most bike shop owners,
service managers and wrenches in general. Much like PC and Mac
computers-holy [censored]!!! I said it!!

SO, my suggestion is buy a set of ERGO 10s and a Campagnolo rear
derailleur. It will work fine and dandy with shimano 9s or 10s...

Sorni said:

fred said:

I have shimano 9 speed Dura ace STI shifters which are broken for the
second time (right shifter will not downshift). The first time it was
covered by warranty,but now I am afraid I have to buy another one.
They can't be repaired. A new one is $270. Can you believe a
replacement 10 speed dura ace STI shifters cost $430?
When my campy shifter broke my LBS charged $30 for a new spring and it
was fixed. Campy costs alittle more up front, but they aren't
disposable like shimano and are cheaper to maintain if you plan on
keeping your bike for a few years.

Having just built up a bike and opting to stay 9-speed since I already had
the drivetrain (sans shifters and FD), I think you can find 10-speed DA for
a lot less than $430. (I have a triple so stayed 9 speed since 10 is double
only still {?}, but Performance had '06 DA STIs on sale for LESS than I paid
to order DA-9s {$299 + tax}.) Shop around.

10s DA triple came out in September, 2005.

Quoted message said:

Bill "was tempted to go 10 w/compact double...but would've needed new
cassette, rear derailleur, etc. etc. etc" S.

Except all you would have needed is the crank-no derailleurs needed for
a compact crank.

Purchase a Campy shifter and match it to your drivetrain with a shiftmate
http://jtekengineering.com/shiftmate.htm

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Quoted message said:

I have shimano 9 speed Dura ace STI shifters which are broken for the
second time (right shifter will not downshift). The first time it was
covered by warranty,but now I am afraid I have to buy another one.
They can't be repaired. A new one is $270. Can you believe a
replacement 10 speed dura ace STI shifters cost $430?
When my campy shifter broke my LBS charged $30 for a new spring and it
was fixed. Campy costs alittle more up front, but they aren't
disposable like shimano and are cheaper to maintain if you plan on
keeping your bike for a few years.

fred said:

Campy costs alittle more up front

http://www.performancebike.com/shop/profile.cfm?SKU=17638&subcategory_ID=5144
$430.99 Dura Ace 10 speed.

http://www.performancebike.com/shop/profile.cfm?SKU=14659&subcategory_ID=5144
$279.98 Record 10 speed.

And I bought the Record from Performance for $270 a few weeks ago.

Why do people continue to propogate this myth that Campagnolo costs
more than Shimano?

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Quoted message said:

fred said:

Campy costs alittle more up front

http://www.performancebike.com/shop/profile.cfm?SKU=17638&subcategory_ID=514
4

Quoted message said:

$430.99 Dura Ace 10 speed.

http://www.performancebike.com/shop/profile.cfm?SKU=14659&subcategory_ID=514
4

Quoted message said:

$279.98 Record 10 speed.

And I bought the Record from Performance for $270 a few weeks ago.

Why do people continue to propogate this myth that Campagnolo costs
more than Shimano?

It depends on what you're comparing. Yes, DA 10 STI levers are more
expensive than Campy. However, start comparing things like derailleurs,
hubs, brakes, cranks/bb combo and you'll find Campy isn't that much cheaper.

Further, since Shimano "dominates" OEM, ultegra/105 and lower parts are more
cheaper as large mail order houses like Nashbar/Performance, Col Cyclists,
Excel, etc. buy parts at OEM pricing and resell at a cheaper price. Not
really a myth....

Quoted message said:

fred said:

I have shimano 9 speed Dura ace STI shifters which are broken for the
second time (right shifter will not downshift). The first time it was
covered by warranty,but now I am afraid I have to buy another one.
They can't be repaired. A new one is $270. Can you believe a
replacement 10 speed dura ace STI shifters cost $430?
When my campy shifter broke my LBS charged $30 for a new spring and it
was fixed. Campy costs alittle more up front, but they aren't
disposable like shimano and are cheaper to maintain if you plan on
keeping your bike for a few years.

A buddy of mine crashed and ruined his right brifter. He got a new
Tiagra replacement. No need to buy 2. The newish Tiagra has the same
form as the 9 speed DA, so apart from the finish, he couldn't tell the
difference. I'll bet a Tiagra one is about $80.

Are there Tiagra 10s shifters, though?
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Werehatrack said:

Quoted message said:

fred said:

I have shimano 9 speed Dura ace STI shifters which are broken for the
second time (right shifter will not downshift). The first time it was
covered by warranty,but now I am afraid I have to buy another one.
They can't be repaired. A new one is $270. Can you believe a
replacement 10 speed dura ace STI shifters cost $430?
When my campy shifter broke my LBS charged $30 for a new spring and it
was fixed. Campy costs alittle more up front, but they aren't
disposable like shimano and are cheaper to maintain if you plan on
keeping your bike for a few years.

A buddy of mine crashed and ruined his right brifter. He got a new
Tiagra replacement. No need to buy 2. The newish Tiagra has the same
form as the 9 speed DA, so apart from the finish, he couldn't tell the
difference. I'll bet a Tiagra one is about $80.

Are there Tiagra 10s shifters, though?

No, but the OP said he has 9 speed DA, so it works well with his
current setup.

Joseph

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Quoted message said:

fred said:

Campy costs alittle more up front

http://www.performancebike.com/shop/profile.cfm?SKU=17638&subcategory_ID=514
4

Quoted message said:

$430.99 Dura Ace 10 speed.

http://www.performancebike.com/shop/profile.cfm?SKU=14659&subcategory_ID=514
4

Quoted message said:

$279.98 Record 10 speed.

And I bought the Record from Performance for $270 a few weeks ago.

Why do people continue to propogate this myth that Campagnolo costs
more than Shimano?

It depends on what you're comparing. Yes, DA 10 STI levers are more
expensive than Campy. However, start comparing things like derailleurs,
hubs, brakes, cranks/bb combo and you'll find Campy isn't that much cheaper.

Record to Dura Ace, prices from Colorado Cyclist since they carry both.
short cage rear derailleur: Record CARBON $260. Dura Ace ALUMINUM
$115.
front double derailleur: Record CARBON $105. Dura Ace ALUMINUM $92.
front hub: Record $80. Dura Ace $114.
rear hub: Record $170. Dura Ace $184.
Crankset and bottom bracket: Record ALUMINUM crank, bottom bracket:
$330. Dura Ace ALUMINUM $365.
brake calipers: Record $250. Dura Ace $227.
10 speed shifters: Record $310. Dura Ace $431.

Big difference in rear derailleurs and shifters. Opposite ways, and
different materials. With Dura Ace cranks being on sale they are not
much more expensive than Record. Its definitely a myth that Campagnolo
is more expensive than Shimano. Particularly when you actually look at
the numbers.

Quoted message said:

Further, since Shimano "dominates" OEM, ultegra/105 and lower parts are more
cheaper as large mail order houses like Nashbar/Performance, Col Cyclists,
Excel, etc. buy parts at OEM pricing and resell at a cheaper price. Not
really a myth....

Qui si parla Campagnolo said:

Sorni said:

fred said:

I have shimano 9 speed Dura ace STI shifters which are broken for
the second time (right shifter will not downshift). The first time
it was covered by warranty,but now I am afraid I have to buy
another one. They can't be repaired. A new one is $270. Can you
believe a replacement 10 speed dura ace STI shifters cost $430?
When my campy shifter broke my LBS charged $30 for a new spring and
it was fixed. Campy costs alittle more up front, but they aren't
disposable like shimano and are cheaper to maintain if you plan on
keeping your bike for a few years.

Having just built up a bike and opting to stay 9-speed since I
already had the drivetrain (sans shifters and FD), I think you can
find 10-speed DA for a lot less than $430. (I have a triple so
stayed 9 speed since 10 is double only still {?}, but Performance
had '06 DA STIs on sale for LESS than I paid to order DA-9s {$299 +
tax}.) Shop around.

10s DA triple came out in September, 2005.

D'oh! Still, the Performance sale price was for double shifters -- AND only
after their "Happy Hour" 20% off thing later in day would the price have
been lower than the triple 9 STIs.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Bill "was tempted to go 10 w/compact double...but would've needed new
cassette, rear derailleur, etc. etc. etc" S.

Except all you would have needed is the crank-no derailleurs needed
for a compact crank.

I was told that my 9-speed RD would be finnicky with 10-speed -- cable
routing trick? Also would have needed a 10-speed /cassette/, of course
(already had a DA 9 with <1000 miles on it).

Bill "may still go compact double some day" S.

fred said:

They can't be repaired. A new one is $270. Can you believe a
replacement 10 speed dura ace STI shifters cost $430?

They've always been expensive, heavy, fragile and overpriced. Campy
brifters are much lighter and cheaper.

Before STI, I mounted a Deore thumb shifter under the brake hood,
sticking up. Easy to reach from the hoods and the drops, lightweight,
protected in a crash, use any brake lever you want... and cheap.

Now I have modified Paul's Thumbies holding barend shifters in the same
position. They aren't as good as the MTB shifters, but better than STI,
IMO. I'm in the process of making my own mounts from scratch to get the
ergonomics dialed better.

Agree. Its good that you compared equal ALUMINUM cranks instead of the
overpriced Carbon cranks sold by Campy. Nevertheless, its interesting
that Shimano ALUMINUM ders are "as light", if not lighter, than Campy
carbon versions.

Personally, I like mixing and matching. Since I still use 9 speed, I
mix Campy ergo levers, ders with Shimano 9 cassette, rear hub and
chain. Interestingly, my shimano cassette/rear wheel shifts "as well"
as my Campy cassette/rear wheel, go figure?! I use a mix Phil Wood
mag/ti bb with a cheapie 8 speed Shimano "compact" crank (RSX version),
All of its works well!

In article <[email hidden]>,

Quoted message said:

fred said:

Campy costs alittle more up front

http://www.performancebike.com/shop/profile.cfm?SKU=17638&subcategory_ID=5144
$430.99 Dura Ace 10 speed.

http://www.performancebike.com/shop/profile.cfm?SKU=14659&subcategory_ID=5144
$279.98 Record 10 speed.

And I bought the Record from Performance for $270 a few weeks ago.

Why do people continue to propogate this myth that Campagnolo costs
more than Shimano?

When I thought my Tiagra 9 sp shifter was broken (turned out to be the
front der), I talked to the LBS about switching over to Campagnolo. I
reasoned that since Shimano has gone 10sp for 105 up, 9sp parts were
disappearing except for Tiagra which I don't really want.

The LBS, who doesn't seem to like Campagnolo, says that even though the
STI shifters are expensive and disposable, in the long run it is cheaper
than buying Campagnolo chains and cassettes.

He had an old 9 sp Ultegra front der laying around, and since the
shifters were ok I went that route.

Mark Heiple said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Quoted message said:

fred said:

Campy costs alittle more up front

http://www.performancebike.com/shop/profile.cfm?SKU=17638&subcategory_ID=5144
$430.99 Dura Ace 10 speed.

http://www.performancebike.com/shop/profile.cfm?SKU=14659&subcategory_ID=5144
$279.98 Record 10 speed.

And I bought the Record from Performance for $270 a few weeks ago.

Why do people continue to propogate this myth that Campagnolo costs
more than Shimano?

When I thought my Tiagra 9 sp shifter was broken (turned out to be the
front der), I talked to the LBS about switching over to Campagnolo. I
reasoned that since Shimano has gone 10sp for 105 up, 9sp parts were
disappearing except for Tiagra which I don't really want.

The LBS, who doesn't seem to like Campagnolo, says that even though the
STI shifters are expensive and disposable, in the long run it is cheaper
than buying Campagnolo chains and cassettes.

He had an old 9 sp Ultegra front der laying around, and since the
shifters were ok I went that route.

That makes sense for that situation. But don't be afraid to go with the Campy
shifters and work the rest of it out. You could go to a 9s Mirage Ergo and rear
der for about $200 and still shift that Shimano chain and cassette. Veloce 10s
Ergos hubbubed to the Shimano rear der would also answer it.

Ron

Sorni said:

Qui si parla Campagnolo said:

Sorni said:

fred wrote:
> I have shimano 9 speed Dura ace STI shifters which are broken for
> the second time (right shifter will not downshift). The first time
> it was covered by warranty,but now I am afraid I have to buy
> another one. They can't be repaired. A new one is $270. Can you
> believe a replacement 10 speed dura ace STI shifters cost $430?
> When my campy shifter broke my LBS charged $30 for a new spring and
> it was fixed. Campy costs alittle more up front, but they aren't
> disposable like shimano and are cheaper to maintain if you plan on
> keeping your bike for a few years.

Having just built up a bike and opting to stay 9-speed since I
already had the drivetrain (sans shifters and FD), I think you can
find 10-speed DA for a lot less than $430. (I have a triple so
stayed 9 speed since 10 is double only still {?}, but Performance
had '06 DA STIs on sale for LESS than I paid to order DA-9s {$299 +
tax}.) Shop around.

10s DA triple came out in September, 2005.

D'oh! Still, the Performance sale price was for double shifters --
AND only after their "Happy Hour" 20% off thing later in day would
the price have been lower than the triple 9 STIs.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Bill "was tempted to go 10 w/compact double...but would've needed
new cassette, rear derailleur, etc. etc. etc" S.

Except all you would have needed is the crank-no derailleurs needed
for a compact crank.

I was told that my 9-speed RD would be finnicky with 10-speed -- cable
routing trick?

Cable pull is the same, I think. You shouldn't need to reroute any cables.
I bet an Acera/Altus/Alivio would work too, hehe.

--
Phil, Squid-in-Training