I purchased a current model Deore XT rear derailleur a few weeks ago to go on a touring bike. Wasn't until I came to fit it today that I noticed that there is no longer a barrel adjuster fitted where the cable housing enters the derailleur. Reading the the instructions shows that any adjustment is intended to be done at the STI lever on the handlebars. All very well for an MTB with the adjustment at the lever, but for a touring bike there is no adjustment at the lever with either STI or barcons, and this frame just has cable stops brazed on the downtube with no provision for adjustment there either.
I just had a look on the Shimano web site and it looks like Deore LX and below still have the adjuster on the RD but XT and XTR do not.
Luckily I scrounged the barrel adjuster off an old dead RD which was a good fit (with locktite) to the new one...
I purchased a current model Deore XT rear derailleur a few weeks ago to go on a touring bike. Wasn't until I came to fit it today that I noticed that there is no longer a barrel adjuster fitted where the cable housing enters the derailleur. Reading the the instructions shows that any adjustment is intended to be done at the STI lever on the handlebars. All very well for an MTB with the adjustment at the lever, but for a touring bike there is no adjustment at the lever with either STI or barcons, and this frame just has cable stops brazed on the downtube with no provision for adjustment there either.
I just had a look on the Shimano web site and it looks like Deore LX and below still have the adjuster on the RD but XT and XTR do not.
Luckily I scrounged the barrel adjuster off an old dead RD which was a good fit (with locktite) to the new one...
I purchased a current model Deore XT rear derailleur a few weeks ago to go on a touring bike. Wasn't until I came to fit it today that I noticed that there is no longer a barrel adjuster fitted where the cable housing enters the derailleur. Reading the the instructions shows that any adjustment is intended to be done at the STI lever on the handlebars. All very well for an MTB with the adjustment at the lever, but for a touring bike there is no adjustment at the lever with either STI or barcons, and this frame just has cable stops brazed on the downtube with no provision for adjustment there either.
I just had a look on the Shimano web site and it looks like Deore LX and below still have the adjuster on the RD but XT and XTR do not.
Luckily I scrounged the barrel adjuster off an old dead RD which was a good fit (with locktite) to the new one...
Never understood why you need two places to adjust the derailleur. I would skip the shifter side though.
I purchased a current model Deore XT rear derailleur a few weeks ago to go on a touring bike. Wasn't until I came to fit it today that I noticed that there is no longer a barrel adjuster fitted where the cable housing enters the derailleur. Reading the the instructions shows that any adjustment is intended to be done at the STI lever on the handlebars. All very well for an MTB with the adjustment at the lever, but for a touring bike there is no adjustment at the lever with either STI or barcons, and this frame just has cable stops brazed on the downtube with no provision for adjustment there either.
I just had a look on the Shimano web site and it looks like Deore LX and below still have the adjuster on the RD but XT and XTR do not.
Luckily I scrounged the barrel adjuster off an old dead RD which was a good fit (with locktite) to the new one...
It wasn't a 'low normal' RD?? Many of those don't have a barrell adjuster..the last 'high norma;' Deore RD DID have a barrell adjusted on the RD.
I purchased a current model Deore XT rear derailleur a few weeks ago to go on a touring bike. Wasn't until I came to fit it today that I noticed that there is no longer a barrel adjuster fitted where the cable housing enters the derailleur. Reading the the instructions shows that any adjustment is intended to be done at the STI lever on the handlebars. All very well for an MTB with the adjustment at the lever, but for a touring bike there is no adjustment at the lever with either STI or barcons, and this frame just has cable stops brazed on the downtube with no provision for adjustment there either.
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I just had a look on the Shimano web site and it looks like Deore LX and below still have the adjuster on the RD but XT and XTR do not.
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Luckily I scrounged the barrel adjuster off an old dead RD which was a good fit (with locktite) to the new one...
It wasn't a 'low normal' RD?? Many of those don't have a barrell adjuster..the last 'high norma;' Deore RD DID have a barrell adjusted on the RD.
I purchased a current model Deore XT rear derailleur a few weeks ago to go on a touring bike. Wasn't until I came to fit it today that I noticed that there is no longer a barrel adjuster fitted where the cable housing enters the derailleur. Reading the the instructions shows that any adjustment is intended to be done at the STI lever on the handlebars. All very well for an MTB with the adjustment at the lever, but for a touring bike there is no adjustment at the lever with either STI or barcons, and this frame just has cable stops brazed on the downtube with no provision for adjustment there either.
I just had a look on the Shimano web site and it looks like Deore LX and below still have the adjuster on the RD but XT and XTR do not.
So in fact XT has gone up market!
I have an 8-speed XTR Rapid-Rise mid-cage rear mech with no barrel adjuster, that I used with Ergo levers. My solution was to put an in-line barrel adjuster in the cable loop between the lever and the frame. It worked, but was a pain to adjust the indexing as you can't eyeball the cassette and adjust the cable at the same time. Perhaps an Orangutan could.
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It wasn't a 'low normal' RD?? Many of those don't have a barrell adjuster..the last 'high norma;' Deore RD DID have a barrell adjusted on the RD.
What's a low normal v. a high normal? Why wouldn't a low normal have a barrel adjuster? Thanks.
AKA Rapid-Rise vs. traditional...On a low-normal (Rapid-Rise), the spring pushes away from the hanger towards the spokes, so the default position is in a low gear. Top-Normal or high-normal has the spring pull towards the hanger, and the default is your top gear. At least 95% of all RDs ever made are top-normal.
No design reason not to have an adjuster on a low-normal RD, other than weight shaving. And FWIW, I can't find an example of a post- indexing XT rear without the adjuster, although XTR has left them off since RD-M960, which was low-normal only (those who wanted top-normal were directed to RD-M953, which had an adjuster).
Never understood why you need two places to adjust the derailleur. I would skip the shifter side though.
Exactly. It invites you to fiddle while riding, which usually makes things worse.
Bingo! The headtube/shifter cable, etc., mounted barrel adjusters are a bane. Someone has a problem and starts twiddling (and other riders often get involved: "Turn it CW", "No! Turn it CCW"😉 and the next thing ya know the shifting has gone totally to s**t. I see it all too often....,
Never understood why you need two places to adjust the derailleur. I would skip the shifter side though.
Exactly. It invites you to fiddle while riding, which usually makes things worse.
Actually, from the service end of things, we like to have a way to adjust cable tension while riding. Sometimes what works in the stand isn't the same as what works when you're riding, so being able to do it on the fly can be very handy.
Never understood why you need two places to adjust the derailleur. I would skip the shifter side though.
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Exactly. It invites you to fiddle while riding, which usually makes things worse.
Actually, from the service end of things, we like to have a way to adjust cable tension while riding. Sometimes what works in the stand isn't the same as what works when you're riding, so being able to do it on the fly can be very handy.
If only there were a way to discourage "user adjustments" by the unschooled.
Never understood why you need two places to adjust the derailleur. I would skip the shifter side though.
Exactly. It invites you to fiddle while riding, which usually makes things worse.
Actually, from the service end of things, we like to have a way to adjust cable tension while riding. Sometimes what works in the stand isn't the same as what works when you're riding, so being able to do it on the fly can be very handy.
Is getting of the bike for a few moments too much trouble?
> Never understood why you need two places to adjust the derailleur. I > would skip the shifter side though. > Exactly. It invites you to fiddle while riding, which usually makes things worse.
Actually, from the service end of things, we like to have a way to adjust cable tension while riding. Sometimes what works in the stand isn't the same as what works when you're riding, so being able to do it on the fly can be very handy.
Is getting of the bike for a few moments too much trouble?
Yes. When I make adjustments it is tedious stopping and adjusting. I have much trouble getting the bars exactly perpendicular to the bicycle centerline. I know when it is catterwonky while riding, but not when I am adjusting, danggummit!
>> Never understood why you need two places to adjust the derailleur. I >> would skip the shifter side though.
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> Exactly. It invites you to fiddle while riding, which usually makes > things worse.
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Actually, from the service end of things, we like to have a way to adjust cable tension while riding. Sometimes what works in the stand isn't the same as what works when you're riding, so being able to do it on the fly can be very handy.
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Is getting of the bike for a few moments too much trouble?
Yes. When I make adjustments it is tedious stopping and adjusting. I have much trouble getting the bars exactly perpendicular to the bicycle centerline. I know when it is catterwonky while riding, but not when I am adjusting, danggummit!
-- Michael Press
Still, is that an adjustment you'd WANT to make while riding? Maybe you're better at riding no-hands than me.
Mike Jacoubowsky wrote: >>> Never understood why you need two places to adjust the derailleur. I >>> would skip the shifter side though. >> Exactly. It invites you to fiddle while riding, which usually makes >> things worse. > Actually, from the service end of things, we like to have a way to adjust > cable tension while riding. Sometimes what works in the stand isn't the same > as what works when you're riding, so being able to do it on the fly can be > very handy.
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Lou Holtman said:
Is getting of the bike for a few moments too much trouble?
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Michael Press said:
Yes. When I make adjustments it is tedious stopping and adjusting. I have much trouble getting the bars exactly perpendicular to the bicycle centerline. I know when it is catterwonky while riding, but not when I am adjusting, danggummit!
Hank Wirtz said:
Still, is that an adjustment you'd WANT to make while riding? Maybe you're better at riding no-hands than me.
I'm reporting not advocating, but now that it's possible it is trendy and popular. Many riders ditz with their cable adjusters while riding. -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org Open every day since 1 April, 1971
> Mike Jacoubowsky wrote: >>>> Never understood why you need two places to adjust the derailleur. I >>>> would skip the shifter side though. >>> Exactly. It invites you to fiddle while riding, which usually makes >>> things worse. >> Actually, from the service end of things, we like to have a way to adjust >> cable tension while riding. Sometimes what works in the stand isn't the same >> as what works when you're riding, so being able to do it on the fly can be >> very handy. Lou Holtman <[email hidden]> wrote: > Is getting of the bike for a few moments too much trouble?
Michael Press said:
Yes. When I make adjustments it is tedious stopping and adjusting. I have much trouble getting the bars exactly perpendicular to the bicycle centerline. I know when it is catterwonky while riding, but not when I am adjusting, danggummit!
Hank Wirtz said:
Still, is that an adjustment you'd WANT to make while riding? Maybe you're better at riding no-hands than me.
I'm reporting not advocating, but now that it's possible it is trendy and popular. Many riders ditz with their cable adjusters while riding.
And said "ditzing" often leads to a completely maladjusted drivetrain. 🙁
> Mike Jacoubowsky wrote: >>>> Never understood why you need two places to adjust the derailleur. I >>>> would skip the shifter side though. >>> Exactly. It invites you to fiddle while riding, which usually makes >>> things worse. >> Actually, from the service end of things, we like to have a way to adjust >> cable tension while riding. Sometimes what works in the stand isn't the same >> as what works when you're riding, so being able to do it on the fly can be >> very handy. Lou Holtman <[email hidden]> wrote: > Is getting of the bike for a few moments too much trouble?
Michael Press said:
Yes. When I make adjustments it is tedious stopping and adjusting. I have much trouble getting the bars exactly perpendicular to the bicycle centerline. I know when it is catterwonky while riding, but not when I am adjusting, danggummit!
Hank Wirtz said:
Still, is that an adjustment you'd WANT to make while riding? Maybe you're better at riding no-hands than me.
I'm reporting not advocating, but now that it's possible it is trendy and popular. Many riders ditz with their cable adjusters while riding. --
How do you feel about the stem adjustment while riding that MP seems to long for?
