shoes insert with high arch support?

"peter" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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I have a custom orthotics that is at least twice as thick
as over-the-counter ones (e.g. superfeet) and the top
layer is made of EVA (rubber-like stuff) so it is also
shock aborbing.

I would like to put one set in each pair of shoes
(running, walking,

hiking)

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but that custom orthotics cost $200 a pair. I'm looking
for cheaper substitute, with the understanding it won't be
as good as the custom made one, but would still be better
than nothing.

Which over-the-counter shoes insert is thicker than the
average,

especially

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in the arch and heel area?

Do you have casts from the first pair? Usually you can have
a second pair made for much less than the first. Mine were
$265 but a second pair would be $80 if I got them within a
year of the first. I was shocked when my insurance paid for
80% of my first pair.

"peter" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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I have a custom orthotics that is at least twice as thick
as over-the-counter ones (e.g. superfeet) and the top
layer is made

of EVA

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(rubber-like stuff) so it is also shock aborbing.

I would like to put one set in each pair of shoes
(running,

walking, hiking)

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but that custom orthotics cost $200 a pair. I'm
looking for

cheaper

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substitute, with the understanding it won't be as
good as the

custom made

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one, but would still be better than nothing.

But will they? Your custom ortotics can adjust many aspects
where the over the counter fall way short. They may help a
little but OTOH they may do more harm. As parker suggested,
the second pair are usually cheaper since the cost of mold
is covered with the first pair.

-DougF

peter said:

I have a custom orthotics that is at least twice as thick
as over-the-counter ones (e.g. superfeet) and the top
layer is made of EVA (rubber-like stuff) so it is also
shock aborbing.

I would like to put one set in each pair of shoes
(running, walking, hiking) but that custom orthotics cost
$200 a pair. I'm looking for cheaper substitute, with the
understanding it won't be as good as the custom made one,
but would still be better than nothing.

Something to consider. What are your orthotics adjusting
for? Are they built evenly - look at profile. Since
you're comparing them with superfeet, are they full
length? Are they compensating for something like late
pronation in the toe area?

The point being, will they be better than nothing - or
perhaps worse? I don't know. It's possible whoever
prescribed your custom orthotics was correcting for
something legitimate or he/she may have just been
making a buck.

My anecdotal story. My feet are hard to fit (wide toebox,
narrow heel, high arch and instep), esp when adding the 3/4
orthotic on top the original insert, so the sales people
generally need to drag out multiple models. Occasionally a
sales person will suggest one of the more sophisticated, full-
length inserts including some that may mold to your feet or
you can cast your own mold/footbed or whatever (I've
forgotten the details). Then they look at my orthotic. While
the total thickness is about the same for left and right,
the layering of different materials is very different. All
the knowledgeable (at least in my opinion) shoe sales people
that I've dealt with tell me to stick with my custom ones.
The off-the-shelf won't work for me.

YMMV obviously, but you need to understand what your
orthotic is doing for you and whether off-the-shelf
will work.

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Which over-the-counter shoes insert is thicker than the
average, especially in the arch and heel area?

I have used the green Spencos in hiking boots in the past,
and they are pretty thick. But that was before my achilles
issues (perhaps *just* before, but I can't remember since it
was before my run logging days).

FWIW, I move my orthotics from shoe to shoe. While a 2nd
pair would've been cheaper than the original $400, it wasn't
all that much cheaper, iirc.

Dot

--
"Success is different things to different people" -Bernd
Heinrich in Racing the Antelope

Yeah, I have a pair of wooden casts made when the first
orthotics were made.

In my case, there is no discount for making a second pair.
Perhaps they billed me separately for making the cast (but
it wasn't clear from the medical bill).

What company would make the 2nd pair for $80 (within a
year)? It wouldn't happen to be near seattle, would it?

I wonder if there are places I can take my casts to and have
custom orthotics made without going through a physical
therapist (middle man).

Even when wearing the custom orthotics, my ankle still
bother me a little bit. Which led me to think perhaps even
custom made ones are not perfect.

-peter

"Parker Race" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Do you have casts from the first pair? Usually you can
have a second pair made for much less than the first. Mine
were $265 but a second pair would be $80 if I got them
within a year

of

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the first. I was shocked when my insurance paid for 80% of
my first pair.

"peter" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Yeah, I have a pair of wooden casts made when the first
orthotics were

made.

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In my case, there is no discount for making a second pair.
Perhaps they billed me separately for making the cast (but
it wasn't clear from the medical bill).

What company would make the 2nd pair for $80 (within a
year)? It wouldn't happen to be near seattle, would it?

No, I'm in New York, I don't know who actually made them I
got them from a Podiatrist.

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I wonder if there are places I can take my casts to and
have custom orthotics made without going through a
physical therapist (middle man)

I don't know, maybe.

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Even when wearing the custom orthotics, my ankle still
bother me a little bit. Which led me to think perhaps even
custom made ones are not perfect.

-peter

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Which over-the-counter shoes insert is thicker than the
average,

especially

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in the arch and heel area?

You can try to get hold of these:

formthotics.co.nzproduct range.htmlOpen ↗

The blue (firm density) ones work great for me. I'm not
sure if they're available in the US, though (assuming
you're in the US).

There is a US contact listed on
formthotics.co.nzsources.htmlOpen ↗