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Simoni on Ullrich

Tritonrider · 2003-07-12T00:30:31+00:00

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/?id=2003/jul03/jul12news One of Lance Armstrong's - and Simoni's - rivals who is sitting in good position is Jan Ullrich, whom Simoni sees as a genuine contender for a top place in this year's Tour. "First of all, he looks very good physically, but that's not what really impresses me," Simoni commented. "He seems to have an enormous desire, and he could have a few surprises for us." The last line is really the thing for me. Jan is the last holdover from the East German sports machine. You only did it for your country and team. Personal desires were not appropriate. Jan was young enough and bought into it big time. Sounds like maybe he want's it for himself, his family, AND his team this time. If you think about it, he has almost never had to make decisions for himself. This was discouraged. Maybe all the controversy and problems have forced him to break out and think about himself for once. If anyone needs to be more selfish it's Jan. Bill C

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Tritonrider
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12 July 2003, 00:30 UTC #1

cyclingnews.comnews
One of Lance Armstrong's - and Simoni's - rivals who is sitting in good position is Jan Ullrich,
whom Simoni sees as a genuine contender for a top place in this year's Tour. "First of all, he looks
very good physically, but that's not what really impresses me," Simoni commented. "He seems to have
an enormous desire, and he could have a few surprises for us."
The last line is really the thing for me. Jan is the last holdover from the East German sports
machine. You only did it for your country and team. Personal desires were not appropriate. Jan was
young enough and bought into it big time. Sounds like maybe he want's it for himself, his family,
AND his team this time. If you think about it, he has almost never had to make decisions for
himself. This was discouraged. Maybe all the controversy and problems have forced him to break out
and think about himself for once. If anyone needs to be more selfish it's Jan. Bill C

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Raptor
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12 July 2003, 02:00 UTC #2

TritonRider said:
cyclingnews.comnews
One of Lance Armstrong's - and Simoni's - rivals who is sitting in good position is Jan Ullrich,
whom Simoni sees as a genuine contender for a top place in this year's Tour. "First of all, he
looks very good physically, but that's not what really impresses me," Simoni commented. "He seems
to have an enormous desire, and he could have a few surprises for us."
It's BS to think that "burning desire" at the time of the race can make a difference. If you don't
have that "burning desire" to win the race six months before it starts, you're screwed.
In a big race, if you're not working as hard as your body can without breaking, you don't even
deserve to be in it.
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12 July 2003, 04:00 UTC #3

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It's BS to think that "burning desire" at the time of the race can make a difference. If you don't
have that "burning desire" to win the race six months before it starts, you're screwed.
In a big race, if you're not working as hard as your body can without breaking, you don't even
deserve to be in it.
--
--
Lynn Wallace
Depends on how good you are in the first place. Mickey Mantle admits he was drunk on the field a
lot of the time while he was building a hall of fame career. Talent is not the deciding factor a
lot of times. There are an awful lot of incredibly talented athletes that get beaten by totally
obsessed competitors who are less talented. The mental factor is the deciding factor at the top.
One of the big reasons that I'm a "Fat Master" is I can't/I'm afraid to do what it takes to do
what I love. I've had right knee surgery, right shoulder surgery, the other knee and shoulder are
arthritic and sketchy, both arms have signs of ulnar/carpal tunnel. I earned these by training my
ass of for fifteen years bodybuilding/powerlifting. I was 185 at 5%( average of several methods)
and routinely did about a hundred miles a week on the bike for cardio when I was cutting up. I
wasn't winning bike races, but I was competitive in amatuer duathlon stuff. Got my ass kicked on
the runs but was able to make it up in the TT phase. I have an awful lot of respect for the
Masters racers who keep at it, knowing they are not going to get faster than they were. I can't
seem to get over the hump where I commit 100% of the effort to be maybe 3/4 at best of what I used
to be. It's definitely a mental thing. Even those cruising by on talent have earned the right to
be in any race. They may not live up to their "potential" but they are good enough to have earned
their way in. Bill C

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12 July 2003, 06:30 UTC #4

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It's BS to think that "burning desire" at the time of the race can

make
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a difference. If you don't have that "burning desire" to win the

race
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six months before it starts, you're screwed.
In a big race, if you're not working as hard as your body can

without
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breaking, you don't even deserve to be in it.
--
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Lynn Wallace
Depends on how good you are in the first place. Mickey Mantle

admits he was
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drunk on the field a lot of the time while he was building a hall of

fame
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career. Talent is not the deciding factor a lot of times. There are

an awful
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lot of incredibly talented athletes that get beaten by totally

obsessed
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competitors who are less talented. The mental factor is the deciding

factor at
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the top. One of the big reasons that I'm a "Fat Master" is I can't/I'm

afraid to do
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what it takes to do what I love. I've had right knee surgery, right

shoulder
Quoted message said:
surgery, the other knee and shoulder are arthritic and sketchy, both

arms have
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signs of ulnar/carpal tunnel. I earned these by training my ass of

for fifteen
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years bodybuilding/powerlifting. I was 185 at 5%( average of several

methods)
Quoted message said:
and routinely did about a hundred miles a week on the bike for

cardio when I
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was cutting up. I wasn't winning bike races, but I was competitive in amatuer

duathlon stuff.
Quoted message said:
Got my ass kicked on the runs but was able to make it up in the TT

phase.
Quoted message said:
I have an awful lot of respect for the Masters racers who keep at

it, knowing
Quoted message said:
they are not going to get faster than they were. I can't seem to get

over the
Quoted message said:
hump where I commit 100% of the effort to be maybe 3/4 at best of

what I used
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to be. It's definitely a mental thing. Even those cruising by on talent have earned the right to
be in any

race. They
Quoted message said:
may not live up to their "potential" but they are good enough to

have earned
Quoted message said:
their way in. Bill C
???????? WoooooooSSSSSSSSSHhhhh!!
You went tangentially OT there.....???? You quote a great article IMO,maybe Jan will cause some
surprises. I'd welcome it from a spectator POV. I'm happy for LA to take his deserved 5th victory
though. What's all this other stuff you're on about?
DaveG.

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It's BS to think that "burning desire" at the time of the race can

make
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Quoted message said:
a difference. If you don't have that "burning desire" to win the

race
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Quoted message said:
six months before it starts, you're screwed.
In a big race, if you're not working as hard as your body can

without
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
breaking, you don't even deserve to be in it.
--
--
Lynn Wallace
Depends on how good you are in the first place. Mickey Mantle

admits he was
Quoted message said:
drunk on the field a lot of the time while he was building a hall of

fame
Quoted message said:
career. Talent is not the deciding factor a lot of times. There are

an awful
Quoted message said:
lot of incredibly talented athletes that get beaten by totally

obsessed
Quoted message said:
competitors who are less talented. The mental factor is the deciding

factor at
Quoted message said:
the top. One of the big reasons that I'm a "Fat Master" is I can't/I'm

afraid to do
Quoted message said:
what it takes to do what I love. I've had right knee surgery, right

shoulder
Quoted message said:
surgery, the other knee and shoulder are arthritic and sketchy, both

arms have
Quoted message said:
signs of ulnar/carpal tunnel. I earned these by training my ass of

for fifteen
Quoted message said:
years bodybuilding/powerlifting. I was 185 at 5%( average of several

methods)
Quoted message said:
and routinely did about a hundred miles a week on the bike for

cardio when I
Quoted message said:
was cutting up. I wasn't winning bike races, but I was competitive in amatuer

duathlon stuff.
Quoted message said:
Got my ass kicked on the runs but was able to make it up in the TT

phase.
Quoted message said:
I have an awful lot of respect for the Masters racers who keep at

it, knowing
Quoted message said:
they are not going to get faster than they were. I can't seem to get

over the
Quoted message said:
hump where I commit 100% of the effort to be maybe 3/4 at best of

what I used
Quoted message said:
to be. It's definitely a mental thing. Even those cruising by on talent have earned the right to
be in any

race. They
Quoted message said:
may not live up to their "potential" but they are good enough to

have earned
Quoted message said:
their way in. Bill C
???????? WoooooooSSSSSSSSSHhhhh!!
You went tangentially OT there.....???? You quote a great article IMO,maybe Jan will cause some
surprises. I'd welcome it from a spectator POV. I'm happy for LA to take his deserved 5th victory
though. What's all this other stuff you're on about?
DaveG.

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"TritonRider" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
From: Raptor [email hidden]
Quoted message said:
It's BS to think that "burning desire" at the time of the race can

make
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
a difference. If you don't have that "burning desire" to win the

race
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
six months before it starts, you're screwed.
In a big race, if you're not working as hard as your body can

without
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
breaking, you don't even deserve to be in it.
--
--
Lynn Wallace
Depends on how good you are in the first place. Mickey Mantle

admits he was
Quoted message said:
drunk on the field a lot of the time while he was building a hall of

fame
Quoted message said:
career. Talent is not the deciding factor a lot of times. There are

an awful
Quoted message said:
lot of incredibly talented athletes that get beaten by totally

obsessed
Quoted message said:
competitors who are less talented. The mental factor is the deciding

factor at
Quoted message said:
the top. One of the big reasons that I'm a "Fat Master" is I can't/I'm

afraid to do
Quoted message said:
what it takes to do what I love. I've had right knee surgery, right

shoulder
Quoted message said:
surgery, the other knee and shoulder are arthritic and sketchy, both

arms have
Quoted message said:
signs of ulnar/carpal tunnel. I earned these by training my ass of

for fifteen
Quoted message said:
years bodybuilding/powerlifting. I was 185 at 5%( average of several

methods)
Quoted message said:
and routinely did about a hundred miles a week on the bike for

cardio when I
Quoted message said:
was cutting up. I wasn't winning bike races, but I was competitive in amatuer

duathlon stuff.
Quoted message said:
Got my ass kicked on the runs but was able to make it up in the TT

phase.
Quoted message said:
I have an awful lot of respect for the Masters racers who keep at

it, knowing
Quoted message said:
they are not going to get faster than they were. I can't seem to get

over the
Quoted message said:
hump where I commit 100% of the effort to be maybe 3/4 at best of

what I used
Quoted message said:
to be. It's definitely a mental thing. Even those cruising by on talent have earned the right to
be in any

race. They
Quoted message said:
may not live up to their "potential" but they are good enough to

have earned
Quoted message said:
their way in. Bill C
???????? WoooooooSSSSSSSSSHhhhh!!
You went tangentially OT there.....???? You quote a great article IMO,maybe Jan will cause some
surprises. I'd welcome it from a spectator POV. I'm happy for LA to take his deserved 5th victory
though. What's all this other stuff you're on about?
DaveG.

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Raptor
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12 July 2003, 07:00 UTC #7

TritonRider said:
Quoted message said:
From: Raptor [email hidden]
Quoted message said:
It's BS to think that "burning desire" at the time of the race can make a difference. If you don't
have that "burning desire" to win the race six months before it starts, you're screwed.
In a big race, if you're not working as hard as your body can without breaking, you don't even
deserve to be in it.
--
--
Lynn Wallace
Depends on how good you are in the first place. Mickey Mantle admits he was drunk on the field a
lot of the time while he was building a hall of fame career. Talent is not the deciding factor a
lot of times. There are an awful lot of incredibly talented athletes that get beaten by totally
obsessed competitors who are less talented. The mental factor is the deciding factor at the top.
One of the big reasons that I'm a "Fat Master" is I can't/I'm afraid to do what it takes to do
what I love. I've had right knee surgery, right shoulder surgery, the other knee and shoulder
are arthritic and sketchy, both arms have signs of ulnar/carpal tunnel. I earned these by
training my ass of for fifteen years bodybuilding/powerlifting. I was 185 at 5%( average of
several methods) and routinely did about a hundred miles a week on the bike for cardio when I
was cutting up.
That just means that you had the combination of burning desire and talent to compete with your
peers, whoever they are/were.
You might want to climb Alpe du Huez three seconds faster than Pantani ever did, you might REALLY
want to. Even if it's the most important thing in the world to you, you're not going to do it unless
you have the innate capacity AND have trained specifically to do it. Simoni or Ullrich might have a
burning desire to beat Lance to the line, but if they haven't trained their bodies to do it, they're
not going to do it no matter how badly they want it.
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--
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could to protect our customers. Our products just aren't engineered for security." --Microsoft VP in
charge of Windows OS Development, Brian Valentine.

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"TritonRider" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
From: Raptor [email hidden]
Quoted message said:
It's BS to think that "burning desire" at the time of the race can

make
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
a difference. If you don't have that "burning desire" to win the

race
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
six months before it starts, you're screwed.
In a big race, if you're not working as hard as your body can

without
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
breaking, you don't even deserve to be in it.
--
--
Lynn Wallace
Depends on how good you are in the first place. Mickey Mantle

admits he was
Quoted message said:
drunk on the field a lot of the time while he was building a hall of

fame
Quoted message said:
career. Talent is not the deciding factor a lot of times. There are

an awful
Quoted message said:
lot of incredibly talented athletes that get beaten by totally

obsessed
Quoted message said:
competitors who are less talented. The mental factor is the deciding

factor at
Quoted message said:
the top. One of the big reasons that I'm a "Fat Master" is I can't/I'm

afraid to do
Quoted message said:
what it takes to do what I love. I've had right knee surgery, right

shoulder
Quoted message said:
surgery, the other knee and shoulder are arthritic and sketchy, both

arms have
Quoted message said:
signs of ulnar/carpal tunnel. I earned these by training my ass of

for fifteen
Quoted message said:
years bodybuilding/powerlifting. I was 185 at 5%( average of several

methods)
Quoted message said:
and routinely did about a hundred miles a week on the bike for

cardio when I
Quoted message said:
was cutting up. I wasn't winning bike races, but I was competitive in amatuer

duathlon stuff.
Quoted message said:
Got my ass kicked on the runs but was able to make it up in the TT

phase.
Quoted message said:
I have an awful lot of respect for the Masters racers who keep at

it, knowing
Quoted message said:
they are not going to get faster than they were. I can't seem to get

over the
Quoted message said:
hump where I commit 100% of the effort to be maybe 3/4 at best of

what I used
Quoted message said:
to be. It's definitely a mental thing. Even those cruising by on talent have earned the right to
be in any

race. They
Quoted message said:
may not live up to their "potential" but they are good enough to

have earned
Quoted message said:
their way in. Bill C
???????? WoooooooSSSSSSSSSHhhhh!!
You went tangentially OT there.....???? You quote a great article IMO,maybe Jan will cause some
surprises. I'd welcome it from a spectator POV. I'm happy for LA to take his deserved 5th victory
though. What's all this other stuff you're on about?
DaveG.

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"TritonRider" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
From: Raptor [email hidden]
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
It's BS to think that "burning desire" at the time of the race can

make
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
a difference. If you don't have that "burning desire" to win the

race
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
six months before it starts, you're screwed.
In a big race, if you're not working as hard as your body can

without
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
breaking, you don't even deserve to be in it.
--
--
Lynn Wallace
Depends on how good you are in the first place. Mickey Mantle

admits he was
Quoted message said:
drunk on the field a lot of the time while he was building a hall of

fame
Quoted message said:
career. Talent is not the deciding factor a lot of times. There are

an awful
Quoted message said:
lot of incredibly talented athletes that get beaten by totally

obsessed
Quoted message said:
competitors who are less talented. The mental factor is the deciding

factor at
Quoted message said:
the top. One of the big reasons that I'm a "Fat Master" is I can't/I'm

afraid to do
Quoted message said:
what it takes to do what I love. I've had right knee surgery, right

shoulder
Quoted message said:
surgery, the other knee and shoulder are arthritic and sketchy, both

arms have
Quoted message said:
signs of ulnar/carpal tunnel. I earned these by training my ass of

for fifteen
Quoted message said:
years bodybuilding/powerlifting. I was 185 at 5%( average of several

methods)
Quoted message said:
and routinely did about a hundred miles a week on the bike for

cardio when I
Quoted message said:
was cutting up. I wasn't winning bike races, but I was competitive in amatuer

duathlon stuff.
Quoted message said:
Got my ass kicked on the runs but was able to make it up in the TT

phase.
Quoted message said:
I have an awful lot of respect for the Masters racers who keep at

it, knowing
Quoted message said:
they are not going to get faster than they were. I can't seem to get

over the
Quoted message said:
hump where I commit 100% of the effort to be maybe 3/4 at best of

what I used
Quoted message said:
to be. It's definitely a mental thing. Even those cruising by on talent have earned the right to
be in any

race. They
Quoted message said:
may not live up to their "potential" but they are good enough to

have earned
Quoted message said:
their way in. Bill C
???????? WoooooooSSSSSSSSSHhhhh!!
You went tangentially OT there.....???? You quote a great article IMO,maybe Jan will cause some
surprises. I'd welcome it from a spectator POV. I'm happy for LA to take his deserved 5th victory
though. What's all this other stuff you're on about?
DaveG.
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>It's BS to think that "burning desire" at the time of the race

can
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make
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>a difference. If you don't have that "burning desire" to win

the
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race
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>six months before it starts, you're screwed.
>
>In a big race, if you're not working as hard as your body can

without
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>breaking, you don't even deserve to be in it.
>
>--
>--
>Lynn Wallace
Depends on how good you are in the first place. Mickey Mantle

admits he was
Quoted message said:
drunk on the field a lot of the time while he was building a

hall of
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
fame
Quoted message said:
career. Talent is not the deciding factor a lot of times. There

are
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
an awful
Quoted message said:
lot of incredibly talented athletes that get beaten by totally

obsessed
Quoted message said:
competitors who are less talented. The mental factor is the

deciding
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
factor at
Quoted message said:
the top. One of the big reasons that I'm a "Fat Master" is I can't/I'm

afraid to do
Quoted message said:
what it takes to do what I love. I've had right knee surgery,

right
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
shoulder
Quoted message said:
surgery, the other knee and shoulder are arthritic and sketchy,

both
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
arms have
Quoted message said:
signs of ulnar/carpal tunnel. I earned these by training my ass

of
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
for fifteen
Quoted message said:
years bodybuilding/powerlifting. I was 185 at 5%( average of

several
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
methods)
Quoted message said:
and routinely did about a hundred miles a week on the bike for

cardio when I
Quoted message said:
was cutting up. I wasn't winning bike races, but I was competitive in amatuer

duathlon stuff.
Quoted message said:
Got my ass kicked on the runs but was able to make it up in the

TT
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
phase.
Quoted message said:
I have an awful lot of respect for the Masters racers who keep

at
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
it, knowing
Quoted message said:
they are not going to get faster than they were. I can't seem to

get
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
over the
Quoted message said:
hump where I commit 100% of the effort to be maybe 3/4 at best

of
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
what I used
Quoted message said:
to be. It's definitely a mental thing. Even those cruising by on talent have earned the right
to be in

any
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
race. They
Quoted message said:
may not live up to their "potential" but they are good enough to

have earned
Quoted message said:
their way in. Bill C
???????? WoooooooSSSSSSSSSHhhhh!!
You went tangentially OT there.....???? You quote a great article IMO,maybe Jan will cause some
surprises. I'd welcome it from a spectator POV. I'm happy for LA to take his deserved 5th
victory though. What's all this other stuff you're on about?
DaveG.
... come again. Could you repeat that?
??Pardon,what's that you say...........O?O ^
DG.

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