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  1. I've got an old-ish GT Talera that I want to convert into a SS mtb (yes, the same as last time
    before it became a trials bike). It has vertical dropouts and 7spd AceraX components. There are many
    options for the conversion but I want to do it as cheap as possible (the bike was less than $300).

    I would MUCH prefer to do the conversion without a bodged derailer or chain tensioner.

    I've spotted FixMeUp! software online (peak.orgtutorial3.html) that will
    calculate gear sizes and chain length for a particular chainstay length, so as to get the chain
    tension correct in vertical dropouts.

    I would basically use an existing cassette (actually just 1 sprocket from one) or a bmx sprocket.
    Not sure how I will do the chainring because the AceraX one seems to detach the outer two sprockets
    as a single piece? Maybe I can get a new, single, bolt-on one? Chainline will be fixed with spacers
    on the cassette I guess, but what sort?

    Anyway, if none of this goes to plan I am going to looking for prices on a couple of other
    options, namely:
    - OnOne Inbred frame
    - White Industries ENO Eccentric Hub

    If you have any suggestions for how best to setup this GT without resorting to throwing money at it,
    that'd be great.

    hippy

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    I would basically use an existing cassette (actually just 1 sprocket from one) or a bmx sprocket.

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    If you have any suggestions for how best to setup this GT without resorting to throwing money at
    it, that'd be great.

    hippy

    I made single speeds out of 2 GT frames, both 18". What I found was that running 34 - 17 gears was a
    perfect fit, and ddn't need a singulator ( which I just bought!). Looks nice clean and simple too.

    Dave

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    I made single speeds out of 2 GT frames, both 18". What I found was that running 34 - 17 gears was
    a perfect fit, and


    ddn't

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    need a singulator ( which I just bought!). Looks nice clean and simple too.

    I had a look at my Avanti and I ride mostly with the middle ring (32 teeth I think?) and gear '5' on
    the 8spd cluster which is 17T. I would probably use '6' which is 15T but that's the one missing all
    the teeth! I might see if I can get hold of an old 34T chainring to try. Did you swap your cranks to
    do this - or can I just bolt an aftermarket chainring onto the AceraX cranks? Any idea on the
    chainstay length of your GT's?

    thanks muchly dave!! hip

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    "Dave@fnq" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

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    I made single speeds out of 2 GT frames, both 18". What I found was that running 34 - 17 gears
    was a perfect fit, and


    ddn't

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    need a singulator ( which I just bought!). Looks nice clean and simple too.

    I had a look at my Avanti and I ride mostly with the middle ring (32 teeth I think?) and gear '5'
    on the 8spd cluster which is 17T. I would probably use '6' which is 15T but that's the one missing
    all the teeth! I might see if I can get hold of an old 34T chainring to try. Did you swap your
    cranks to do this - or can I just bolt an aftermarket chainring onto the AceraX cranks? Any idea
    on the chainstay length of your GT's?

    thanks muchly dave!! hip

    I used the cranks I had, just took off the granny and big rings. Unfortunatly i've sold the GT
    frames before I last moved so no longer have them, but i'm sure there is someone here who has an 18"
    GT who can tell you. I used a Zaskar and a Polomar , and both had the same chainstay length.
    Remember the size of the front and back rings is not so important, but the RATIO is. I chose 34 - 17
    because I thought a 2:1 ratio was a good starting point, and just got lucky that they fit perfectly
    on an 18" GT frame. People warned me about chain stretch and slippage with out the singulator, but
    it was never a problem. One hint though, I found using bigger rings/ cogs to achieve the same ratio
    is a better way to go. So a 34 - 17 combo is better than a 22-11 combo, even though they have the
    same ratio of 2:1. (I think this is because the chain doesn't have such a tight turn at the rear
    wheel, so seems easier to pedal, plus the ring/ cog should last longer because of less wear).

    Dave

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    I used the cranks I had, just took off the granny and big rings.

    I'll see how I go with what I've got on it, otherwise I might have to upgrade. To the parts
    bin!!! ;-)

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    Remember the size of the front and back rings is not so important, but the RATIO is. I chose 34 -
    17 because I thought a 2:1 ratio was a good starting point, and just got lucky that they fit
    perfectly on an 18" GT frame.

    Yeah, I realise 2:1 is the generally accepted starting point, but I'm more concerned with getting
    something that fits the frame without any need for a chain tensioner. Getting close to 2:1 is
    certainly a consideration, but it doesn't have to be exactly that.

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    One hint though, I found using bigger rings/ cogs to achieve the same


    ratio

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    is a better way to go. So a 34 - 17 combo is better than a 22-11 combo,


    even

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    though they have the same ratio of 2:1. (I think this is because the chain doesn't have such a
    tight turn at the rear wheel, so seems easier to


    pedal,

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    plus the ring/ cog should last longer because of less wear).

    Yep, I agree. I planned to try 32/16 first, simply because I could do that with only a bmx sprocket
    and some spacers needed (assuming tension was ok). I think it might be a bit of a hit and miss game
    trying to match chain length and front and rear sprocket sizes to get correct tension. Going 22/11
    though does mean lighter weight and better chainring ground clearance, but these are not major
    concerns for me.

    You've sold them now but did you ride your GT's much? What did you think of them when they were
    setup as SS?

    cheers hippy

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    You've sold them now but did you ride your GT's much? What did you think of them when they were
    setup as SS?

    cheers hippy

    I only rode them to and from work on the road and short trips into the city (a bonus for me was that
    they had rigid forks). Maybe I should have tried them off-road, but I thought I might be too soft
    for a rigid single speed after riding a geared duelly for so long! :-) The first thing that struck
    me on the first ride was how quiet it was! You don't realise how noisy a geared bike can be. The
    next thing was I kept going to change gears every time I got near a hill (up and down). With all
    this talk of single speeds I might change my hard tail into one! (also a GT). Where I live now
    (Cairns) is pretty flat around town so it is perfect for one.

    Dave

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    I only rode them to and from work on the road and short trips into the


    city

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    (a bonus for me was that they had rigid forks).

    Same here, at least until I get better chain tension for off-road use. Dropped chain 5 times riding
    the 52k return trip to work on Sat. Not bad, but no good for off-road use.

    Here it is: openwindows.com.auindex.htm

    I didn't have enough spacers so there are still sprockets on the back, but they are unusable -
    purely for spacing until i find some more dead cassettes to pull apart. Brakes need some tweaking
    too as well as the general riding position. I'll get there...

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    Maybe I should have tried them off-road, but I thought I might be too soft for a rigid single
    speed after riding a geared duelly for so long! :-) The first thing that struck me on the first
    ride was how quiet it was! You don't realise how noisy a geared bike can be.

    Mine is pretty quiet except for the pedals. They have no bearings in them, I'm sure! But hey, they
    were free from my LBS (along with the cranks and cassette for the rear sprocket) so I no complain!
    ;-) I'm going to replace the chain and the chainring with new ones so that should up the tension a
    little bit as well as making it quieter/smoother with ramp-less teeth.

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    The next thing was I kept going to change gears every time I got near a


    hill

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    (up and down).

    Well, I was riding my 24spd HT to and from work without changing gears so I think I will manage when
    there are no gears to change! :-) I was practicing SS riding to see which gear ratio I liked.

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    With all this talk of single speeds I might change my hard tail into one! (also a GT).

    Do it! You know you want to! ;-)

    Just to let anyone reading this thread know.. the SingleSpeed World Championships are being held in
    Castlemaine, Victoria in November this year. See: atomic-industries.comatomic-industries.com

    hippy

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    With all this talk of single speeds I might change my hard tail into


    one!

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    (also a GT).

    Do it! You know you want to! ;-)

    I bought a stem off ebay to go with my rear hub (screw-on), which was going to be the basis of a new
    SS. When I got the stem I found out it was a 1" not 1 1/8 (bugger). So what do I do? sell the 1"
    stem or buy a frame with a 1" headtube? The stem is a brand new never used Ringle` (red anno too),
    got it for $15! I think I gotta find a cheaper hobby/ sport :-)

    Dave

  9. "Dave@fnq" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

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    I bought a stem off ebay to go with my rear hub (screw-on), which was


    going

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    to be the basis of a new SS. When I got the stem I found out it was a 1" not 1 1/8 (bugger).

    I think the GT uses a 1" steerer.. it's certainly not Aheadset lookin'.

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    So what do I do? sell the 1" stem or buy a frame with a 1" headtube?

    I'd sell the stem, unless you can find a free frame with 1" headtube. No point _buying_ old stuff is
    there (ok, sometimes there is but I'd go for 1 1/8th).

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    The stem is a brand new never used Ringle` (red anno too), got it for $15!

    I could buy it off you.. yeah, it'd be a big step in completing my total domination of the "World's
    Ugliest Bike" Title! :-) (Nothing against the stem, just red + my grey/green thing.. urgh!)

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    I think I gotta find a cheaper hobby/ sport :-)

    Gee imagine if it was one of those ITM "The Stem". They are currently... looking, looking... Price:
    $774.99!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (www.cecilwalker.com.au)

    I need to lie down... hippy

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