Six-13

tonykara said:

Was in Brunswick Street Cycles yesterday afternoon. in there they have a 'Dale Six-13 (Centaur). its beutiful, it almost rivals the bianchi xl carbon (celeste).

has anyone ridden one? it suposidly absorbs heaps of road shock but remains lively. whatever that means! i personally am looking for a bike with chorus but if there are centaur riders out there could you pass on some comments on the gruppo

cheers

Tony

In Procycling #60 (April) there is a pretty good review on it

tonykara said:

Was in Brunswick Street Cycles yesterday afternoon. in there they have a 'Dale Six-13 (Centaur). its beutiful, it almost rivals the bianchi xl carbon (celeste).

has anyone ridden one? it suposidly absorbs heaps of road shock but remains lively. whatever that means! i personally am looking for a bike with chorus but if there are centaur riders out there could you pass on some comments on the gruppo

cheers

Tony

I have Centaur on my Look KG361. It works, feels good. What more do you need? Chorus and Record are lighter and black.

I believe the 6.13 kg weight was achieved with 10-sp Dura-Ace and carbon wheels. Centaur is marginally heavier - should we sue them for false advertising? 😉

M "light, super-light, stupid-light"H

mfhor said:

I believe the 6.13 kg weight was achieved with 10-sp Dura-Ace and carbon wheels. Centaur is marginally heavier - should we sue them for false advertising? 😉

M "light, super-light, stupid-light"H

Yes, but its red! therefore it goes faster 🙄

mfhor said:

I believe the 6.13 kg weight was achieved with 10-sp Dura-Ace and carbon wheels. Centaur is marginally heavier - should we sue them for false advertising? 😉

M "light, super-light, stupid-light"H

Oh, I forgot. A certain bike shop where I work has an Opera with Record, Stella Azzura bars, stem, seatpost, Selle Italia SLR, silly thin tyres, latex tubes, Hyperon wheels that scrapes 6120 grams. Nya Nya Nya Nya Nya. I rode it, took a [censored], rode it again and reduced the bike/rider combined weight by 5.5%. Then I ate a muesli bar, increasing the recalculated weight by 1.7%. After that, I filled my bidons, put each of them into the $149 carbon fibre bidon cages, altering the bike's weight by a massive 20%! (all calculations incredibly approximate). All the while worrying about scratching it, putting the $500 rims (just the *rim*) into a pothole/grating/idiot's car, then I took it back, dusted it off, and hung it high on the wall in the vain attempt to ensure that no-one would be tempted to spend large amounts of money on something they don't need, and will never really use for what it is intended - i.e., climbing 5%+ gradients at pro speeds. But we'll sell it anyway. Ego is a powerful thing.

Then I got back to making a $400 mountain bike's wheel straight after it was car-doored. The guy who owns it rides it 30kms to work and back, every day.He doesn't have much money.

Guess which job gave me the most satisfaction?

M "bikes are for getting places" H

mfhor said:

Oh, I forgot. A certain bike shop where I work has an Opera with Record, Stella Azzura bars, stem, seatpost, Selle Italia SLR, silly thin tyres, latex tubes, Hyperon wheels that scrapes 6120 grams. Nya Nya Nya Nya Nya. I rode it, took a [censored], rode it again and reduced the bike/rider combined weight by 5.5%. Then I ate a muesli bar, increasing the recalculated weight by 1.7%. After that, I filled my bidons, put each of them into the $149 carbon fibre bidon cages, altering the bike's weight by a massive 20%! (all calculations incredibly approximate). All the while worrying about scratching it, putting the $500 rims (just the *rim*) into a pothole/grating/idiot's car, then I took it back, dusted it off, and hung it high on the wall in the vain attempt to ensure that no-one would be tempted to spend large amounts of money on something they don't need, and will never really use for what it is intended - i.e., climbing 5%+ gradients at pro speeds. But we'll sell it anyway. Ego is a powerful thing.

Then I got back to making a $400 mountain bike's wheel straight after it was car-doored. The guy who owns it rides it 30kms to work and back, every day.He doesn't have much money.

Guess which job gave me the most satisfaction?

M "bikes are for getting places" H

touche!

city laneway bike shop. perchance?

flyingdutch said:

touche!

city laneway bike shop. perchance?

No, that's not me, that's the guy with the funny hair. Or have I got the wrong shop? 🙂

I'm a little more part-time, and a little more bayside.

M "Sheldon Brown's got a lot to answer for with these bogus nickname inserts" H

"mfhor" <[email hidden]

Quoted message said:

Oh, I forgot. A certain bike shop where I work has an Opera with
Record, Stella Azzura bars, stem, seatpost, Selle Italia SLR, silly
thin tyres, latex tubes, Hyperon wheels that scrapes 6120 grams.

What does a bike like this ride like?

I've never ridden anything that light (no sane LBSG
would let a guy my size near one! :-)) and I wonder
how much these things flex when 'tested', how much
diff the light weight makes up and down hills..
Do the feel flexy when sprinting, etc.?
How much do you trust the bars and stem when
bent over the front wheel hurtling down a bumpy
road?

hippy

mfhor said:

I believe the 6.13 kg weight was achieved with 10-sp Dura-Ace and carbon wheels. Centaur is marginally heavier - should we sue them for false advertising? 😉

M "light, super-light, stupid-light"H

from what I've read the six13 is not 6.13 kg but rather the element numbers for carbon and alluminium: six and thirteen. Hence six13. From what I've heard the centaur version is around the 8 kg mark.

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mfhor said:

I believe the 6.13 kg weight was achieved with 10-sp Dura-Ace and

carbon

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

wheels. Centaur is marginally heavier - should we sue them for false
advertising? 😉

M "light, super-light, stupid-light"H

from what I've read the six13 is not 6.13 kg but rather the element
numbers for carbon and alluminium: six and thirteen. Hence six13. From
what I've heard the centaur version is around the 8 kg mark.

At 6.13kg it's not even pro-legal (6.8kg minimum bike
weight) so I don't see the point other than "wow" factor.

hippy

I've got the Record Six13. Great bike. I weigh 61 kg so I'm not going to get much flex anyway. I'd probably describe the ride as stiff, but not as much so as a full AL. frame. I rode a full carbon frame but it didn't do anything for me, so I opted for both materials. Surprisingly, my bike was shipped with Cinelli RAM bar/stem and the FIZIK Aliante seat, but who's complaining?, after all the negative feedback of K-Wings. This bar/stem combo does not flex whatsoever,and the seat is super comfortable. I think the bike weighed in at around >7kgs with the pedals.

So. Been dreamin of steel and Chorus??? 🙂

after doing the swap of bikes it made me realise how nicely my bike fits me!

Also realised (for the first time based on some experience) that i dont like STI.
It works fine and all that and maybe if i do more crits I'd see the advantage of changing up when on the drops, but apart from that... naaahhh!!

i think i rode over an ant and could ascertain that it was missing one leg!
the road feedback/vibration/bumps was astounding

I'd be real interested to try a sloping-top-tube 853 bike for comaprison...

Honestly?

No...sorry.....but i have been thinking of a new bike, especially after riding your 853. i found it very smooth, so i would be interested to hear if there are some out there ridin ultrafoco or even EOM 16.5. the 853 definately absorbed all beneath it, but it seemed to flex quite abit, but again it would have to be something special to knock the bianchi XL Carbon (Alessio).

i know that they say that a good steel frame will last forever and steel is real but that bianchi is [censored] hot, and with my Alessio Bianchi outfit coming from europe next week, the frame cant be too far away.......i hope 😄

tonykara said:

Honestly?

No...sorry.....but i have been thinking of a new bike, especially after riding your 853. i found it very smooth, so i would be interested to hear if there are some out there ridin ultrafoco or even EOM 16.5. the 853 definately absorbed all beneath it, but it seemed to flex quite abit, but again it would have to be something special to knock the bianchi XL Carbon (Alessio).

i know that they say that a good steel frame will last forever and steel is real but that bianchi is [censored] hot, and with my Alessio Bianchi outfit coming from europe next week, the frame cant be too far away.......i hope 😄

where was the flex? I have often wondered about that but have nothing to compare it too. Is it that 'vague' feeling at the back you get when you stand/stomp up a hill?
(with my weight, i guess its all a matter of degrees)
I gotta try some different bikes. Or maybe i shouldnt. My green beast an' me done some great rides together. And they would fight in the shed...

Youre just a 'gotta have the latest' [censored] 😄
problem with that is, it'll only be the latest for about 12 months and then something else shiny (or black) will catch you eye

FD - keepin it real.
but not real enough to convince MrsFD that bikes really DO need a dedicated room in the house

sorry if i touch a nerve, your bike rode [censored] better than mine, like you said you can tell what an ant had for breakfast when you are riding a full alloy TCR.

when i was riding your bike up the small hill on kilby road kew i mentioned that it felt abit heavy/slugish, compared to mine it seemed like you had to work harder to get up to the top. this wasnt a stab at your bike, it was me just mentioning the differences between mine and yours. on the flat yours was awsome, mine only feels that smooth when connected to the wind trainer 😄 . and the gruppo was awsome, im definately sold there!

i agree that in 2 - 3 years what ever i buy now will be less desirable to the guy looking for something new, but im looking for something that will give me the wow factor, i dont really care what others think as long as i think its THE [censored]! a prime example are those who think a recumbent is THE [censored] i agree with 50%, i agree with the [censored] part.... 😄 ....but again each to their own.

here endeth my philosophical view on ones steed

hippy said:

"mfhor" <[email hidden]

Quoted message said:

Oh, I forgot. A certain bike shop where I work has an Opera with
Record, Stella Azzura bars, stem, seatpost, Selle Italia SLR, silly
thin tyres, latex tubes, Hyperon wheels that scrapes 6120 grams.

What does a bike like this ride like?

I've never ridden anything that light (no sane LBSG
would let a guy my size near one! :-)) and I wonder
how much these things flex when 'tested', how much
diff the light weight makes up and down hills..
Do the feel flexy when sprinting, etc.?
How much do you trust the bars and stem when
bent over the front wheel hurtling down a bumpy
road?

hippy

Hmm . . . felt like a bike, but on Beach Rd., there are no real hills. It's set up for people who "climb like homesick angels" to quote the estimable Norm Murray, an old bikie of no mean repute. I'm over 80 kgs so I can't really say, but it felt a bit floaty, but not at all flexy - except the wheels when pushed hard in a sprint. Not worth the money - bought by rich wannabes who'll never have the engine to power them, in my curmudgeonly opinion.

M" Steel used to be real until Alu/Carbon came along"H

tonykara said:

sorry if i touch a nerve, your bike rode [censored] better than mine, like you said you can tell what an ant had for breakfast when you are riding a full alloy TCR.

when i was riding your bike up the small hill on kilby road kew i mentioned that it felt abit heavy/slugish, compared to mine it seemed like you had to work harder to get up to the top. this wasnt a stab at your bike, it was me just mentioning the differences between mine and yours. on the flat yours was awsome, mine only feels that smooth when connected to the wind trainer 😄 . and the gruppo was awsome, im definately sold there!

i agree that in 2 - 3 years what ever i buy now will be less desirable to the guy looking for something new, but im looking for something that will give me the wow factor, i dont really care what others think as long as i think its THE [censored]! a prime example are those who think a recumbent is THE [censored] i agree with 50%, i agree with the [censored] part.... 😄 ....but again each to their own.

here endeth my philosophical view on ones steed

nah. no nerve touched. Ive heard the comment before about being flexy re steel but like I said, i dont really know exactly what and where that means.
(wish I could spend a week and ride EVERYTHING out there to get some perspective on all this. ink in magazines is pretty useless at the end of the day...)
there might be a difference with the tighter rear end 🙄 from the tight triangle cos of sloping toptube-shorter seat-tube combo, and Im thinkin a tight triangle on a steel or Ti might be a cool compromise
(dreams of a Ghisallo...).

Im about 12 months ahead of you in the upgrade stakes. In my case the initial enthusiasm lasted about 2 weeks and was then brought thudding back to earth (admittedly by the hardest ride I have done - Alpine Classic) cos it brought out into broad daylight that the thing i really needed to improve was... yeah. Me!

Havin a pimpin bike (wow. i sound like one of them 'young' people. 'Yo' ) gets you a little more likely to climb outta bed on a Sunday and all, but I have just spent the last hour finishing my singlespeed project and its making its MkII debut in the morning and Im grinning like an idiot typing this. and it's cost me less than $200!

Im sittin here sounding like 'grasshopper' bein wise and all, but Im itchin to see what you and DaveB end up with 🙄
(strange how both purchases are so dependent on what the 'other half' says...)

mfhor said:

tyres, latex tubes, Hyperon wheels that scrapes 6120 grams. Nya Nya Nya Nya Nya. I rode it, took a [censored], rode it again and reduced the bike/rider combined weight by 5.5%. Then I ate a muesli bar, increasing the recalculated weight by 1.7%. After that, I filled my bidons, put each of them into the $149 carbon fibre bidon cages, altering the bike's weight by a massive 20%! (all calculations incredibly approximate).

I picked up my trusty steed this morning and it felt so light - then I realised, it normally has a bidon of water on it. The weight was the water!
I've heard of heavy water, is there a corresponding light water? How much would you be prepared to pay?

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mfhor said:

tyres, latex tubes, Hyperon wheels that scrapes 6120 grams. Nya Nya Nya
Nya Nya. I rode it, took a [censored], rode it again and reduced the
bike/rider combined weight by 5.5%. Then I ate a muesli bar, increasing
the recalculated weight by 1.7%. After that, I filled my bidons, put
each of them into the $149 carbon fibre bidon cages, altering the
bike's weight by a massive 20%! (all calculations incredibly
approximate).

I picked up my trusty steed this morning and it felt so light - then I
realised, it normally has a bidon of water on it. The weight was the
water!
I've heard of heavy water, is there a corresponding light water? How
much would you be prepared to pay?

--
aeek

Use carbonated water. It weighs less. Every gram counts.

Fraser